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IT'S A REGULAR CI OR THE SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER, UH, AND GO AHEAD AND GET A CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM MAYOR, TRAVIS MELO HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER DON KING, COUNCIL MEMBER SEAN HOLT.
COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SCHRADER.
COUNCIL MEMBER JOE WILBURN HERE.
AND COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN EDMONDS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.
COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.
ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE.
UH, YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE TO CALL ROLL FOR P AND Z AGAIN SINCE, UH, ITEM THE LAST AGENDA.
ITEM THREE I IS ACTUALLY THE CONTINUATION OF THE MEETING THAT WE STARTED AT SIX.
AND SO, UM, JUST TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S QUORUM.
SHE JUST STEPPED OUT, BUT SHE WAS RIGHT BACK.
DEBORAH FORTNER, JOHN HARRIS, WILLIAM BROWN, AND WILLIAM LATIMER.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL NEED, WE'LL NEED TO HOLD UNTIL SHE COMES BACK.
SO THAT, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE QUORUM.
UM, JUST SO SHE RESPONDS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON ANYTHING WITH US.
OR WE CAN, I GUESS WE CAN JUST TAKE, WE CAN TAKE, TAKE NOTE WHEN SHE COMES BACK.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SO FIRST UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, UH IS THAT, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT NAME? SEVERABILITY JOHN HARRIS COULDN'T READ MY WRITING.
DUDE, THAT WAS, THAT WAS TOUGH.
I WAS GONNA SAY SEVERABILITY ENGLISH NAMES ARE THE WORST.
WELL, YOU HAD A CAPITAL H WITH A BUNCH OF LOWERCASE OTHER THINGS.
AND I WAS, I WAS, I WAS CONFUSED.
MR. JOHN HARRIS, YOU'RE THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
[3.A ORDINANCE NO. XXX-2026 - Consideration and possible action to approve an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Dickinson, Texas, approving and adopting a budget for the City of Dickinson, Texas, for Fiscal Year 2026-2027; making appropriations for the City for such Fiscal Year as reflected in said budget; providing for the incorporation of preamble; making certain findings and containing certain provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. (2nd Reading) (Record Vote Required)]
ALL RIGHT.A, UM, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY, DICK OF DICKINSON, TEXAS, APPROVING AND ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO 2027, MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE CITY FOR SUCH FISCAL YEAR AS REFLECTED IN SAID BUDGET, PROVIDING FOR THE INCORPORATION OF PREAMBLE, MAKING CERTAIN FINDINGS, AND CONTAINING CERTAIN PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SUBJECT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
SECOND READING OR RECORD VOTE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT SECOND ORDINANCE, BUT I WANNA PULL DEPARTMENT ZERO, ONE AND 18 DUE TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
GOT A ZERO ONE, PULL 0 1 0 18.
AND THEN DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? YES.
THIS ONE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THOSE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY SEPARATELY.
THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE THE ITEMS HE ABSTAIN FROM.
WELL SAY THAT'S WHAT YOU BASICALLY DID.
SO YOU PROBABLY SHOULD JUST STEP AWAY YOU FOR THIS.
I THINK HE'S STOOD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE ITEMS IF HE FEELS LIKE IT.
OH, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
MAYOR, IF I MAY, UH, MARJORIE MORGAN HAS JOINED THE MEETING.
ALRIGHT, WE GOT MARJORIE MORGAN.
THEY JUST LEFT BEFORE WE DID THE FULL BUDGET.
AFTER SEPARATING, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON THE FULL BUDGET AND THEN THE SEPARATE ONES.
WELL, WE CAN VOTE ON THE SEPARATE ONES NOW.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ZERO ONE AND, AND 18? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, I'LL SECOND.
ANY OPPOSE? OH, RECORD, RECORD VOTE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE BUDGET? SEPARATING, UH, EXCLUDING ZERO ONE AND 18? I GOT A MOTION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OH, WE GOTTA DO A RECORD.
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OUT.SO WE'RE VOTING ON EVERYTHING BUT ONE IN 18.
WE ALREADY VOTED ON ONE IN 18.
[3.B Consideration and possible action to ratify the vote to adopt the annual budget for the City of Dickinson for FY 2026-2027.]
B, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RATIFY THE VOTE TO ADOPT THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND 2027.I GOT A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY SINCE I STEPPED DOWN ON THE, UH, THREE A.
IS THREE B THE SAME THING? IT, IT, IT IS COUNCIL MEMBER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RATIFYING THAT, THAT THAT SAME BUDGET.
AND SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ABSTAIN FOR THIS, THIS AS WELL.
AND SO I GUESS IT'D BE ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER SCHRADER OF SAYING IT AS WELL.
SO MAYOR, THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RATIFY THE VOTE TO ADOPT AN ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON FISCAL.
UH, AND THEN THIS, IS THIS A RECORD VOTE? UH, IS IT THE RATIFYING? THIS IS A RECORD.
[3.C Consideration and possible action to approve Budget Adjustment as of 6/30/26. (Finance)]
CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS AS OF 6 30 20 26.UH, AND THEN MS. SARAH, WHAT YOU GOT FOR US? THE FY 2026 BUDGET INCLUDED $90,000 TRANSFER FROM DMD TO THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND FOR NEW EMS VEHICLE.
THE $50,000 50 TH AND $50,000 FOR ONE CARDIAC MONITOR AFTER REVIEWING EQUIPMENT NEEDS STAFF DETERMINED PURCHASING A SECOND CARDIAC MONITOR WAS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN REPLACING THE VEHICLE.
THE DMD BOARD APPROVED REALLOCATING THE VEHICLE FUNDING FOR THIS PURPOSE AT ITS MARCH 5TH MEETING.
SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY AND NOT, IF YOU GUYS KNOW IT, EXCUSE ME.
THE VEHICLE THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE REPLACING IS A SUPERVISOR VEHICLE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I FELT WHEN I CAME INTO THIS POSITION THAT WAS OKAY TO BE RAN A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THE PROBLEM WE WERE HAVING IS WE NEEDED TWO CARDIAC MONITORS.
THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR BUDGETED $50,000 FOR 'EM, AND WE NEEDED TWO OF THEM.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE TWO CARDIAC MONITORS THAT I CAN TAKE CARE OF A PATIENT WITH THAN THAT.
I ALSO WAS ABLE TO GET A COUPLE OTHER, UH, PIECES, EXCUSE ME, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, UM, ONE'S FOR INTUBATION.
IT'S A VIDEO DEAL TO WHERE I CAN SEE ON A CAMERA OF HOW, WHERE MY, UH, TUBE IS BEING PLACED WHEN I HAVE TO INTUBATE A PATIENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS FOR NARCOTICS SAFE THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT IN THE STATION THAT HAS ACCESS CODES THAT IS, UH, MONITORED AND IT'S ELECTRONICALLY.
UM, DOES REPORTS EVERYTHING LIKE THAT TO ME.
UH, STATE COMPLIANCE AND DEA COMPLIANCE, THAT'S A QUESTION OUTTA CURIOSITY.
WHAT, UM, WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN OF THE CARDIAC MONITORS? SEVEN TO 10 YEARS.
DOES EVERY VE DO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OF THE GLIDESCOPES OR DO YOU HAVE ONE ON EVERY VEHICLE? WE HAVE TWO GLIDESCOPE.
IT'S NOT A GLIDESCOPE OR HA HANEY.
ARE THEY ON THE VEHICLES? THEY'RE ON THE, UH, AMBULANCES? YES, SIR.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO SWAP WHEN WE, WHEN THE TRUCKS GOES DOWN, WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE OTHER ONE.
BUT THAT WAS A BIG BENEFICIAL.
UH, THE ONES WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, THEY QUIT MAKING THE PARTS FOR 'EM, SO WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[3.D Conduct a Public Hearing concerning the adoption of the proposed Tax Rate of 0.36820 per $100 in Assessed Value for the Fiscal Year beginning October 1, 2026, and ending September 30, 2027.]
A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE OF 0.36820 PER 100, AND ASSESSED VALUE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2026, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027.WELL, THE PROPOSED RATE OF 0.36820 EXCEEDS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
THE CITY IS NOT PROPOSING A TAX RATE INCREASE.
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PROPOSED RATE IS THE SAME PROPERTY TAX RATE ADOPTED IN BOTH FY 25 AND 26.THE INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE TAX BILL IS DRIVEN BY PROPERTY TAX VALUES, NOT THE RATE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO NO.
ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? IF NOT, WE WILL ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SEVEN 11.
[3.E Consideration and possible action regarding the adoption of $0.045532 as the portion of the Tax Rate to fund the debt service of the City for Fiscal Year 2026-2027.]
SO THREE E CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE ADOPTION OF 0.0 4 5 5 3 2 AS THE, UH, PORTION OF THE TAX RATE TO FUND THE DEBT SERVICES OF THE CITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026.DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THIS, THIS WOULD BE A ROLL CALL VOTE AS WELL.
[3.F Consideration and possible action regarding the adoption of $0.322668 as the portion of the Tax Rate to fund the Maintenance and Operations of the City for Fiscal Year 2026-2027.]
CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE ADOPTION OF 0.3 2 2 6 6 8 AS THE PORTION OF THE TAX RATE TO FUND THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF THE CITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND 2027.DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE SECOND AND I GOT A SECOND.
AND THEN I'M ASSUMING THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE.
BEFORE THAT, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? IF NOT, SEND IT.
[3.G ORDINANCE NO. XXX-2026 - Consideration and possible action on an ordinance approving an ad valorem tax rate for the City of Dickinson, Texas, upon all taxable property within the corporate limits of the city for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2027 providing for the assessment, levy and collection of ad valorem taxes within the City of Dickinson, Texas, for fiscal year 2026-2027 and for each year thereafter until otherwise provided; providing the date on which such taxes shall be due and payable; providing for penalty and interest on all taxes not timely paid; authorizing exemptions; and providing a repealer clause and an effective date. (Record Vote) (Sole Reading)]
3G CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE APPROVING IN AN A VALOREM TAX RATE FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS UPON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THIS CITY, UH, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027, PROVIDING FOR THE ASSESSMENT LEVY AND COLLECTION OF A VALOREM TAXES WITHIN THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 20 27, AND FOR EACH YEAR THEREAFTER UNTIL OTHERWISE PROVIDED, PROVIDING THE DATE ON WHICH SUCH TAX SHALL BE DUE AND PAYABLE PROVIDING FOR PENALTY AND INTEREST ON ALL TAXES, NOT TIMELY PAID AUTHORIZING EXEMPTIONS AND PROVIDING A REPEAL CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, ROLL CALL, VOTE RECORD.
[3.H Consideration and possible action to ratify the vote to adopt the Tax Rate of 0.36820 per $100 in Assessed Value for the Fiscal Year beginning October 1, 2026, and ending September 30, 2027.]
H CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO RATIFY THE VOTE TO ADOPT THE TAX RATE OF 0.36820 PER $100.AND ASSESS VALUE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2026, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2027.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, WHICH IS A RECORD VOTE? YES, SIR.
[3.I Joint Discussion with Planning and Zoning Commission - Discussion and possible action to recommend amendments to the City’s Unified Development Code and/or zoning map.]
THREE.JOINT DISCUSSION WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAP.
AND I HAVE MS. ANN MARTIN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME ON UP.
AND, AND, AND MAYOR, I I JUST RE LIKE TO REMIND MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.
CAN WE TAKE ACTION? CAN WE TAKE ACTION IF WE WANT? UH, WELL, IT, IT, IT'D BE, I'D SUGGEST THAT IT, IT'D BE SOMETHING FORMAL ACTUALLY WRITTEN UP BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'D BE MAKING SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE UDC.
AND SO, UM, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE, WE TAKE THE DISCUSSION, UM, BUT TO, TO TAKE IN WHAT IT IS THAT WE GET, GET FROM THIS DISCUSSION AND THEN LATER CREATE, UH, WHAT WE'D BE VOTING ON, WHICH THEN WOULD GO TO PLANNING AND VOTING'S NEXT MEETING TO BE VOTED ON AND THEN BROUGHT TO OUR MEETING.
THE NEXT ONE TO THEN BE APPROVED.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE NOW, BUT PER THE MINUTES WE'RE ALLOWED TO THOUGH, CAN WE, UH, POSSIBLE ACTION? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET'S LET MS. ANNE TALK AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THAT FUN STUFF.
UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT BAYOU MIXED USE AGAIN, ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, SOME MAY WORRY THAT DEFINING THIS
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NEW ZONING DISTRICT WILL START AN ONSLAUGHT OF BAYOU DEVELOPMENT, UH, BASED ON THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY FOR SALE ON THE WATERFRONT.I THINK THAT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY INSIGHT INTO PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT ON THE MARKET WHERE AN OWNER IS GOING TO LEASE IT OR BUILD A SUIT, UM, BASED ON CURRENT ZONING ALONG THE WATERFRONT.
I IMAGINE THAT NUMBER WOULD BE SMALL.
UM, AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT REAL ESTATE IS A DYNAMIC MARKET.
SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT FROM LAST WEEK.
THERE ARE 16 BAYOU WATERFRONT PROPERTIES CURRENTLY FOR SALE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF DICKINSON.
OF THOSE SEVEN ARE PROPOSED IN THE MAP IN YOUR PACKET TO BECOME BAYOU.
MIXED USE OF THE SEVEN ONE IS CURRENTLY ZONED URBAN TRANSITION.
FOUR, OUR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
THE PUTS ON PUTS AND TAKES IN CHANGING FROM BMU, UM, TO, UH, FROM, UH, FROM, UH, URBAN TRANSITION ARE NOT A LOT, UH, FROM RURAL ESTATE.
IT'S A LOT OF CHANGE, BUT I THINK IT'S MOSTLY FOR THE BETTER THAN THE RURAL ESTATE RULES.
AND SO THE CONCERN COMES FROM CHANGING FROM GENERAL RESIDENTIAL TO BUY MIXED USE.
IT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE WHAT CAN BE ON A PROPERTY OF THE FOUR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
ONE IS THE UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT IS IMMEDIATELY WEST OF PAUL HOPKINS PARK.
THE SECOND IS A PROPERTY EAST OF COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE THAT HAS AN UNINHABITABLE HOUSE ON IT.
THE OTHER TWO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL TRACTS BELONG TO ME.
UM, THEY ARE SHOWN AS ONE TRACT ON YOUR ZONING MAP.
I AM REQUESTING THE REZONING OF MY PROPERTY TO BE BY YOU MIXED USE SINCE AT LEAST 2016.
THE CITY HAS INTENDED FOR MY PROPERTY TO BE COMMERCIAL.
LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS.
MY PROPERTY APPEARS TO BE NESTLED IN AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, BUT THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES WITHIN 200 FEET OF MINE ARE NOT BEING USED AS SINGLE FAMILY OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES.
THERE ARE FOUR UNDEVELOPED LOTS, TWO GROUP HOMES, THREE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, ONE LONG-TERM RENTAL, TWO CHURCHES, AND THE HUGHES LANDING DETENTION POND.
LESS THAN HALF OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE OWNER OCCUPIED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
OF THE MANY PROPERTIES ALONG THE BAYOU, THERE ARE ONLY SEVEN BMU CANDIDATES CURRENTLY FOR SALE.
THIS IS A SMALL NUMBER AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR PROVING WHETHER THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PROCEED WITH REZONING AS PROPOSED.
I'D LIKE TO ASK, ASK THE ATTORNEY A, A QUESTION.
UH, I KNOW YOU, YOU SAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO WAIT, BUT, UH, FOR EVERY MINUTE THAT WE WAIT, IT, IT IS BEEN MONTHS SINCE WE STARTED THIS, AND THERE'S PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT HAVE 10 31 TAX FREE EXCHANGES.
AND FOR EVERY, EVERY ONE OF THOSE THAT EXPIRE IN A DAY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SOMETHING THAT WE LOSE TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW, UH, THERE, THERE'S MANY PEOPLE CONTACT ME EVERY DAY WITH 10 31 MONEY TO SPEND.
UH, I I SAY WE, WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHANGE, AND IT'S, UH, TO GO TO LIMITLESS HEIGHT ON, ON WHAT THEY HAVE.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE ZONING MAP SAYS.
I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS AND GET IT, GET IT APPROVED SO WE CAN PUT THE CITY TO WORK.
AND, UH, AND THESE GUYS HAVE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN IT.
AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHANGE, MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK AND AMEND SOMETHING.
BUT I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT AND GET IT PASSED AND GET IT BEHIND US IF THERE'S ANY WAY.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST THE BAYOU SECTION? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ZONE CHANGES AS WELL.
SO THERE, THERE'S MULTIPLE ZONES THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED ON THIS MAP THAT ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO JUST THE BAYOU.
SO ARE WE APPRO? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, IS I I, IF THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT, I MEAN, THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE ZONING COMMITTEE AND, AND I THINK YOU ASKED 'EM EARLIER IF THEY FELT GOOD.
I MEAN, DO Y'ALL FEEL GOOD ABOUT ALL OF IT THAT YOU'VE DONE? I EVIDENTLY YOU, YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT.
I THINK SO, MAYOR, I CAN SAY THERE'S, UH, TWO, TWO DIFFERENT, UH, STATEMENTS KIND OF IN LINE WITH COUNCILMAN WILBURN SAYING, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE CITY FROM ALL THE WAY FROM THE WEST SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE, LOOKED AT EVERY INDIVIDUAL LOT, QUESTIONED EVERYTHING VERY CLOSELY, UM, WITH THE ADJUSTED UDC PROGRAM, ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT LOTS, INCLUDING EVEN ON FADA DRIVE, WHERE WE LOOKED ON THESE, WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH RE CONSERVATION
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RELATIVE TO THE RESIDENCES.THERE ARE LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENCES THAT, UH, WE DON'T WANNA SEE BECOME GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH WAS THE OLD LANGUAGE FOR IT.
NOW THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS OFFICIALLY CALLED AUTOCENTRIC.
THE SMALL COMMERCIAL IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT USED TO BE CALLED A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
AND THERE WAS MULTIPLE LOTS THAT, UH, WERE IDENTIFIED AS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL THAT WERE ADJACENT TO 45, EXCUSE ME, UH, FIVE 17 THAT WEREN'T PRACTICAL FOR ANYBODY TO EVER BUILD A HOME ON IT.
UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, LOT OF LOTS AT THE END OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, UH, WERE IDEAL FOR IN, IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S A SPA AT THE END OF THE STREET OFFICIALLY.
IT WASN'T MEETING CODE REQUIREMENTS OR RESIDENT, UH, ZONING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT WAS IDEAL FOR THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS A SMALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
UM, AND YOU LOOK INTO SMALL COMMERCIAL, THERE'S A LOT OF LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.
UM, YOU CANNOT PUT A BAR OR ANYTHING TO THAT NEGATIVE IN THOSE AREAS.
SO, LONG STORY SHORT, ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, I WILL SPEAK FOR MY, MY COMMITTEE THAT I, I CHAIR WITH THAT.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DISAGREE WITH ME.
WE SPENT WELL OVER SIX MONTHS LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE SQUARE LOT ON HERE.
AND MANY OF THESE LOTS, MAYBE A MATTER OF OPINION ABOUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS, THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY.
UH, WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING VERY, VERY CLOSELY.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT I CONSIDER AS OUR STAGE ONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO AS FAR AS GOING INTO THE BAYOU MIXED, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THAT WAS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROJECT THAT WE APPROACHED AFTER WE COMPLETED THE FIRST ONE.
THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE DID WITH THAT WAS THE CREATION OF THE BAYOU MIXED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE, WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHAT THEY CAN'T DO, WHAT'S LIMITED, WHAT'S BY, RIGHT.
UH, THAT WAS MANY, MANY MEETINGS OF CONVERSATION AND WONDERFUL ARGUMENTS.
UH, I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED MS. DEBORAH ISN'T HERE.
SHE ARGUED WITH ME MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
AND SO WE WERE VERY AGGRESSIVE AND PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR DECISIONS OF WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
AND THEN WE VERY CLOSELY LOOKED AT ALL OF THE LOTS THAT WERE ALONGSIDE THE BAYOU.
WE LOOKED AT 'EM VERY CLOSELY, AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL OF THESE LOTS CAN BE RELABELED AS ZONING, UH, BAYOU MIXED USED ZONING IN PERPETUITY.
AND IT DOESN'T MOUNT TO A HILL OF BEANS IF THE PERSON THAT LIVES THERE DOESN'T WANNA SELL IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
PERSONAL RESIDENCE, NOBODY'S GONNA CHANGE 'EM, NOBODY'S GONNA FORCE 'EM.
BUT IF A DEVELOPER WANTED TO COME INTO OUR CITY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S A LOT, MS. MARY'S LOT, IF THEY WANTED TO BUY IT, THEY COULD APPROACH MS. MARY AND GIVE HER AN OFFER THAT WOULD MAKE HER HAPPY.
NOBODY HAS TO MAKE HER TAKE THAT OFFER.
BUT IF SHE CHOSE TO, THEN SHE WOULD HAVE, THAT DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO START DOING POSITIVE THINGS IN OUR CITY.
SO, AND THE MAIN REASON I'M, I'M GONNA ASK THIS IS MORE ON THE LEGAL SIDE.
IS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THIS ZONE CHANGE BEFORE WE START VOTING ON STUFF TO CHANGE, IF WE'RE DOING IT AS A WHOLE? 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE IS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, I'VE HAD TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN FOR TWO YEARS ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE THE UDC WAS CREATED.
SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE PUSHING TO RUSH SOMETHING IS KIND OF, I'M A LITTLE ON EDGE ABOUT IT BECAUSE FOR THE LAST LITERALLY TWO YEARS, I'VE HEARD MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, MULTIPLE CITIZENS SIT HERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE UDC BEING DONE HASTILY AND DONE TOO QUICKLY AND NOT LOOKED AT VERY, UH, STRATEGICALLY MM-HMM
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA MAKE THAT SAME MISTAKE IF I CAN MAYOR ON, ON THAT ONE.
I'M NOT, I'M, THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST YOU.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PROCEDURES SO NO ONE CAN BE LIKE, YOU DIDN'T DO IT BY LEGAL WAY.
WELL, IT TAKES AN ORDINANCE TO DO A ZONE CHANGE.
WE HAVE TO DRAW THE ORDINANCE UP AND THEN WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
ONE, YOU, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, BEFORE, I GUESS THE LAST CONVERSATION, IT SAYS, IMPOSSIBLE ACTION.
I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO POSSIBLE ACTION WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE.
UM, IT SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID DISCUSSION.
UM, THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE BEGINNING.
AND SO, SO WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT PIECE.
UM, WE WOULD COME BACK AFTER THIS AND COUNCIL MEMBER, TO YOUR POINT, I, I'M, I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS BY THE BOOK.
RIGHT? SO THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON, RIGHT? THERE'S NO ORDINANCE HERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN ALSO CHANGING THE UDC, EVEN THE SMALLEST CHANGE THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S DONE LIKE YOU SAID, MAYOR BY THE BOOK, BUT THAT IT'S DONE PROPERLY.
UM, WE'RE MAKING MORE THAN ONE CHANGE, AT LEAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM LISTENING TO, TO THE CONVERSATION.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE BAYOU DISTRICT.
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SO WITH, WITH, WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN UP, UM, IN AN ORDINANCE TO WHERE WE'RE ADOPTING IT AS SUCH, RIGHT? IF WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THIS ENTIRE THING, THEN P AND Z RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN, IN, WE ARE, WE'RE IN A MEETING, A PNZ AND, AND JOINT MEETING.WE, WE HAD A, UM, OR THIS IS A DISCUSSION WORKSHOP, BUT THEY CAN SUGGEST TO COUNCIL WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS AND IF IT'S TO ADOPT THIS THING AS A WHOLE, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THEY COULD SAY, WE'RE READY TO ADOPT THIS AS A WHOLE.
WE NOW HAVE IT ON AN AGENDA, LITERALLY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS IN TWO WEEKS, AND WE VOTE ON IT AND IT'S LEGAL TWO WEEKS AND, AND ONE WEEK OR WHAT? WELL, WHAT, TWO WEEKS? TWO WEEKS.
'CAUSE NEXT TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, MEETING SECOND AND SECOND AND FOURTH.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIFTH, FIFTH TUESDAY.
BUT, BUT, UM, BUT SO IT'S A WEIRD MONTH.
SO, SO IF IT WOULD TAKE TWO READINGS, MR. STATE LAW FOR ZONING IS GONNA REQUIRE THREE FORMS OF NOTICE.
RIGHT? THE POSTIT NOTICE, POSTIT NOTICE ON SITE PUBLISHED NOTICE IN A NEWSPAPER IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO THE WAY WE ADOPTED THE ZONING MAP THE FIRST TIME IS WE ADOPTED A RESOLUTION THAT AMENDED THAT TYPE OF NOTICE BECAUSE WE SELECTED, UH, APPROXIMATELY 950 PARCELS TO BE REZONED.
SO IN LIEU OF POSTING A SIGN ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, WE DRAFTED A RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWED, THAT ALTERED THE FORM OF NOTICE TO NOT REQUIRE US TO POST A SIGN ON EVERY PROPERTY.
SO, AND THAT I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT RESOLUTION PASSED PRIOR TO, RIGHT? IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO.
SO I ANTICIPATED US DRAFTING IT THE SAME RESOLUTION ESSENTIALLY, AND, AND PASSING THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE TEXT AND THE ZONING AMENDMENTS.
UH, AND ALSO, I, I DIDN'T WANNA TOUCH ON MS. GORDON'S PETITION AND, AND THE RESIDENCE OF FTA DRIVE, UH, STATE LAW.
AND WHAT OUR UDC REFLECTS THAT WE ALSO ADOPTED IS THAT IF THEY, UH, GET THIS PETITION THAT THE OWNERS OF AT LEAST 20% OF THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED REZONING, UH, SIGNS THIS PETITION, WHAT IT WOULD TRIGGER IS REQUIRING A THREE QUARTER VOTE, UH, FROM COUNCIL, UH, VERSUS THE MAJORITY.
IT, IT REQUIRES SUPER MAJORITY.
UM, AND, AND I DISCUSSED THAT WITH, UH, UM, WITH CHASE EARLIER TODAY.
UM, AND SO, UM, BUT, BUT 100% CORRECT.
UM, IF ANYBODY OPPOSES, IF 20%, NOT OF A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT 20% OF THOSE BORDERING THAT ZONE CHANGE, UM, BORDERING.
SO, UM, I, I, I KNOW WE HAD RESIDENTS COME IN EARLIER, UM, AND I CAN SHOW YOU ALL, UM, THIS WOULD BE MORE OF AN EXEC SESSION THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN AN, THERE HAS TO BE TWO READINGS FOR THIS AS WELL.
SO I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND.
I'M, I'M WALKING INTO SOMETHING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS, NOW I KNOW.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING THIS RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT WAS MY ONLY WORRY IS, IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY CAN AGREE ON THE MAP, BUT IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING IT THE PROPER WAY.
SO, MR. TOWNSEND, I AGREE YOU HAD SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ANYTHING.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION.
THINK YOU, YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YEAH, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AS WHAT? GOT PUBLIC BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS ARGUMENT.
WE GO UP HERE IF YOU YEAH, THREE MINUTES.
SO THEN IT'S PART OF THE, WE GET THE MINUTES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
JOHN HARRIS, ROW DRIVE, DICKINSON.
SO I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1988.
I RETIRED AFTER OVER 40 YEARS, 2017.
I HOUSE FLOODED TWO FOOT OF WATER.
TOOK 10 MONTHS TO PUT THAT PLACE BACK TOGETHER.
I JOINED PLANNING AND ZONING ABOUT 20, 22 FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS UDC, JUST STRICTLY MY, MY OPINION.
WE AGREED AT THE BEGINNING THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING AS A CONSENSUS.
AND IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, EVERYTHING WAS DONE AS A CONSENSUS.
WE GOT OUR CRYSTAL BALLS OUT AND WE LOOKED AT DICKINSON, AS BRUCE SAID, EVERY SINGLE LOT, MANY OF THOSE LOTS AND MANY PARTS OF DICKINSON I DROVE THROUGH AND LOOKED AT AND SAID, OKAY, WHAT'S THE FUTURE GONNA LOOK LIKE IN DICKINSON FOR THAT PARTICULAR PART OF DICKINSON? WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE OVER HERE? AND, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE TOTALLY, BUT WE REACHED CONSENSUS.
THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT WE ALL AGREED TO.
NOW, WITH ALL THAT SAID, SINCE 2017, MY WIFE AND I HAVE DEBATED WHETHER
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WE WANTED TO STAY IN DICKINSON FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.IT'S CHEAPER TO KEEP HER
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY CAME UP IN JULY OF THIS YEAR, AND WE BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ANOTHER CITY.
THE, THE HOUSE CHECKED MOST OF THE BOXES THAT SHE WANTED AND IT CHECKED SOME OF THE BOXES THAT I WANTED.
BUT THE PERSON WHO LIVED THERE WAS ELDERLY AND HADN'T DONE ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE.
SO THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF, I'VE SPENT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 10 HOURS, 12 HOURS A DAY, REHABILITATING, RENOVATING, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
CURRENTLY MY ADDRESS IS STILL ROUTE DRIVE.
I STILL PAY D UH, TAXES IN DICKINSON.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, PROBABLY THE END OF THIS YEAR, I'M GONNA MOVE TO THAT HOUSE AND PUT THE HOUSE ON BROW DRIVE UP FOR SALE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT MY RESIGNATION FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE ALLOWED ME TO SERVE.
I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE OUR CITY MANAGER.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME I'VE EVER CONTACTED HIM, HE'S DONE EVERYTHING I'VE EVER ASKED.
I'M GONNA KEEP MY MEMBERSHIP AND THE CITIZENS ON PATROL AND I'LL CONTINUE TO PATROL THE DICKINSON LIKE I ALWAYS HAVE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AND CONTINUE TO HELP OUT WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL DURING PARADES LIKE I DID LAST WEEK WITH HOMECOMING.
BUT I UNFORTUNATELY WILL NOT BE A CITIZEN AND PAY TAXES IN DICKINSON AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
UM,
AND I THINK PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD BE THE RIGHT PLACE TO BRING IT UP.
UM, IS THIS A PLACE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR INVOLVEMENT IN FEMA PROGRAMS? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IS OUR FLOODING MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR UDC PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY IF WE WERE IN OR OUT OF A PROGRAM, I'M ASSUMING.
SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
IF ANYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT WELL, BEFORE WE MAY I INTERJECT.
IT'S ALL IT'S OPEN FOR BEFORE WE BROKE.
WE WERE HAVING A THAT'S RIGHT.
INTRODUCE A CONVERSATION ABOUT LOT COVERAGE.
UH, FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THIS, UH, PARTICULAR STANDARD ARE 65% FOR RESIDENTIAL AND 80% FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND I THINK THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE INCLUSIVE OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
SO IT SHOULD BE BUILDING AND OR IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY DECREASE THE PERCENTAGE IF WE, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO GO VERTICAL.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD INCREASE THE PERIMETER OF GREEN SPACE.
I, I DO, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD.
I DUNNO WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE, WHETHER IT BE 60% FOR COMMERCIAL AND HAVE GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, AROUND IT.
SINCE WE'RE, IF, IF WE'RE LETTING THEM GO UNLIMITED VERTICALLY, UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT RATIO SHOULD BE ALTERED A LITTLE BIT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE QUITE 8,000 SQUARE FEET OVER AN ACRE IS NOT VERY MUCH GREEN SPACE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO MAKE THE STANDARD, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL? THE SAME STANDARD? I'M WHAT I, MY SUGGESTION WAS IT WAS TO, IF THE STANDARD FOR BUILDING LOT COVERAGE IS 80% AS IT'S PROPOSED, I THINK THAT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE OTHER IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE.
SHOULD NOT ENCROACH THE BUILDING COVERAGE AREA, THE ROOFTOP AND PARKING AREA, OTHER CONCRETE DOES, SHOULD NOT ENCROACH BEYOND WHATEVER PERCENTAGE THAT WE ALLOW.
SO ESSENTIALLY REPLACING BUILDING COVERAGE WITH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT IF WE GO ALLOW TO GO.
FORGIVE ME COUNCILMAN, SIR, BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE DRAINAGE PROGRAMS DESIGNED INTO A LOT? LIKE SPECIFICALLY, UH, RETENTION, DETENTION PONDS UNDERNEATH A PARKING AREA? I WOULD SAY IN SOME OF THEM NEED SUBTER.
I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT Y'ALL, BUT I NEED TO INTERRUPT Y'ALL 'CAUSE I JUST SEEN YOU TALKING AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE FIXING TO ASK.
SO HIS RESIGNATION IS EFFECTIVE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, CORRECT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
YEAH, THAT I WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME COUNSEL, COUNSEL MY HEAD WHEN HE CAME UP AND SPOKE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT COUNTS AWAY.
WE KNOW THAT'S AFTER THE MEETING, RIGHT?
SO, UM, OTHERWISE THE MEETING'S OVER WITH.
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I I, RIGHT WHEN HE STARTED TALKING, I STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT.I'M LIKE, UH, WE'RE GONNA JUST SKIP OVER THAT.
WOULD HE AND NOT HAVE HOLDOVER STATUS UNTIL, EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING ANYWAY.
THE COUNCIL MEETING IS GOOD FOR THE WHOLE, BY THE WAY, THE COUNCIL MEETING IS, IS STILL GOING, BUT, BUT PLANNING AND ZONING.
PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD, WOULD BE OVER.
AND SO THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS.
UM, IT'S NOT LIKE, LIKE, UH, UH, THERE BASICALLY WE'RE GOOD.
WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF HE RESIGNS RIGHT NOW, HE RESIGNS.
IF HE RESIGNS AT THE END MEETING, THEY HAVE A QUORUM.
OH, WELL I THINK I WAS JUST MAKING CLARIFICATION EARLIER AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT I THINK THE IMPERVIOUS, OH, YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT DETENTION, SUBTERRANEAN, UH, DETENTION UNDER, I MEAN, IT WOULD STILL BE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AREA AND THERE'S STILL DETENTION UNDERNEATH IT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT, UH, THERE'S A WAY FOR THAT WATER TO GET THERE.
AND SO YES, I WOULD BELIEVE THAT WOULD INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE.
THAT'S JUST IT IN A NUTSHELL, MAKING SURE IT'S COVERED WITH IT.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT MAKING SURE THAT ALTERNATIVES ARE INCLUDED AS AN OPTION.
AND THEN I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE CONVERSATION OF THE DISAGREEMENT.
I, I WOULDN'T, IF YOU DISAGREE, I WANT TO HEAR YOUR SIDE OF IT.
NO, NO, I, I AGREE WITH THE, THE, THE PREMISE OF THE LIMITATION OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
BUT, UH, I'M THINKING ABOUT SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT HAD SMALL LOTS THAT PUT PARKING ON THE ENTIRE LOT.
AND SO THEY DID NOT MEET THE 80% REQUIREMENT.
AND SO TO RECTIFY THAT, THEY HAD ENGINEERED, UH, SUBTERRANEAN DETENTION TANKS BUILT IN.
AND SO THAT WAY THEY STILL MET THE EXPECTATION AND WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE AS FAR AS CHANGING IT ALL TO 80% WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP THE LANGUAGE IN THERE, THAT ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF MEETING THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE STILL.
I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MITIGATION.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP UP MM-HMM
THERE IS DETENTION UNDERNEATH, BUT THAT, THAT EVENTUALLY OUTFLOWS AND THE MORE WATER THAT YOU HAVE IN, THE FASTER IT RUNS IN, THE FASTER WATER HAS TO GET OUT OR IT DOESN'T, IT BACKS UP AND THEN YOU HAVE OUTFLOW.
I THINK IT HAS TO WHERE YOU DON'T INTEND TO.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE METERED BECAUSE TAKE KEYWORDS, IT, IT DEFINITELY DOES.
KEYWORDS PUT HIS UNDERGROUND, SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD A MOSQUITO BREEDER POND, BUT IT ALL HAS LIMITED CAPACITY.
ONCE IT'S COVERED UP, IT HAS LIMITED CAPACITY.
SO ONCE YOU'VE REACH THAT CAPACITY, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO UP.
AND THEN IT GOES OUT, IT GOES UP INTO THE PARKING LOT AND YOU WADE INTO THE BUSINESS.
UH, JOHN DEERE DEALERSHIP IS PRIME EXAMPLE WHEN IT RAINS REAL HARD OVER THERE.
ON, UH, 45, IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR RETENTION IS THE PARKING LOT.
AND YOU HAVE TO WADE IN IF IT RAINS REAL HARD, REAL FAST, REAL QUICK.
UH, GAY KIA JUST PUT IN UNDERGROUND RETENTION SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER POND, MOSQUITO BREEDER POND IN TOWN.
SO ONCE THEY FILL UP, WATER GOES UP, THEN IT CAN OVERFLOW THE PARKING LOT TO WHEREVER IT WANTS TO GO, WHATEVER MOTHER NATURE DOES.
BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS MAINLY FOR PRESERVATION OF SOME GREEN SPACE.
I, I LOVE THE CONCEPT NOT FLOOD GREEN SPACE.
I'M JUST ASKING AS FAR AS RETENTION, DETENTION, I MEAN, AREN'T THOSE KIND OF, AND THIS IS A MILDLY IGNORANT RESPONSE.
ISN'T THAT MORE OF A FEMA REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS WHAT OUR PACE OF, UH, UH, SHEDDING WATER ISN'T THAT RELATIVE TO FEMA'S REQUIREMENTS CURRENTLY? IT'S PART ALSO PART OF OUR, UH, DRAINAGE CRITERIA THAT, THAT WAS KIND WHY I, I BROUGHT UP THAT SUBJECT, WHICH IS ANOTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
THE FEMA REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE A, LIKE TEXAS CITY DOESN'T HAVE.
AND WELL, TO BE CLEAR, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT INITIALLY, AND IT KIND OF, IT GOT OFF ON A DIFFERENT TRACK.
UM, WHAT I MEANT BY A, A GREEN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, CO OBLIGATION WASN'T NECESSARILY A, A BLANK GREEN SPACES AS IN LAWN OR DRAINAGE.
I MEANT MORE OF A GREEN CANOPY IF WE'RE TAKING DOWN TREES TO BUILD THESE, THESE SKYSCRAPERS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ENCROACHING OTHER PEOPLE'S PRIVACY.
MINE WAS MORE OF RECREATING THE CANOPY THAT THAT GOT TAKEN DOWN.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS A SE SEPARATE CONSIDERATION TO JUST GREEN SPACE, MEANING FREE GRASS RUNOFF OR, YOU KNOW, DIRT RUNOFF.
I WAS, I WAS TALKING SPECIFICALLY MORE ABOUT THE CANOPY, UH, JUST TO MAINTAIN THE SMALL TOWN FEEL OR THAT KIND OF COVERAGE, THAT KIND OF PRIVACY.
UM, AND THAT CAN EVEN BE DONE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE MIDDLE OF A PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN STILL HAVE TREES AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE EVEN AROUND THE PERIMETER SEPARATE FROM DRAINAGE.
I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I I, I, I WANNA ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
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I LIKE ISSUE, BUT MINE SPECIFICALLY WAS ABOUT THE CANOPY ISSUE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DICKINSON, LIKE THE TREES, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE HERE YEAH.DO WE STILL HAVE AN ORDINANCE AS WE'RE GOING VERTICAL ON THESE BUILDINGS? YES, SIR.
DO WE STILL HAVE AN ORDINANCE AS FAR AS LIKE TREES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE CUT DOWN IN THE CITY UP TO A CERTAIN SIZE? YES, SIR.
SO YEAH, IF THEY CUT DOWN ANYTHING THEY'RE REQUIRED WANTING TO GET A PERMIT FIRST AND FOREMOST.
SECOND, I THINK THEY HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM.
I WASN'T NECESS TALKING ABOUT CUTTING DOWN OLD THINGS.
I MEANT SINCE WE, IF WE'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA APPROVE THEM TO GO UNLIMITEDLY VERTICAL, THAT THAT INEVITABLY IS GOING TO NOW BE OVER EVERYBODY ELSE'S PRIVACY.
SO JUST KIND AS AN OFFSET, I WANTED THEM TO BE ABLE TO, IF, IF POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, IT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CANOPY FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT CREATE SOME SORT OF FACADE OF, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER, SOME, SOME SORT OF, AND IT MAKES THE THE PROPERTY MORE ATTRACTIVE.
WE'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WANT, I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THE WOODLANDS WHERE THERE'S BUILT TREES AND BUILDINGS AND THINGS KIND OF COEXIST AND COHABITATE TOGETHER.
I JUST, YOU, IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THIS KIND OF IDEA IN THE CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD LIKE SOME KIND OF CANOPY TYPE OBLIGATION OR CO OBLIGATION TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
UH, I MEAN, SO WE DO HAVE ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED LANDSCAPING FOR EACH TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MITIGATION, IF YOU CUT DOWN A TREE, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE REPLACED UP TO A CERTAIN, SO MR. BREED, UM, UH, EXCUSE MAYOR.
JUST TO, TO CLARIFY, IF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, THE PNZ BOARD AGREES WITH IT, CAN THEY GIVE DIRECTION TO CITY COUNCIL SAYING, HEY, WE AGREE WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES TO SKIP THE STEP OF TAKING IT BACK TO THE PNZ BOARD BEFORE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE ORDINANCE? Y THEY CAN PZ YES.
CAN PROPOSE, UH, THESE CHANGES, UM, UH, TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, WHENEVER THAT MOMENT COMES IN THIS DISCUSSION, AND THEN I, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK AND READ IT AS IF YOU WERE PROPOSING IT, UH, TO COUNSEL.
UM, THE THING IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON HEIGHT AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED, UNLESS YOU GO BACK TO YOUR REGULAR MEETING, WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY CITY COUNCIL ADOPTING THE MAPS THAT WERE POSTED ONLINE.
UM, IF THERE'S MORE SPECIFICS, EXCUSE ME, THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO, I MEAN, COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, CAN, UH, TAKE UNDER ADVISEMENT, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT, UM, CAN TAKE UNDER ADVISEMENT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS AND JUST MAKE THAT DECISION ONCE IT GETS TO COUNCIL, RIGHT.
UM, FROM A, YOU KNOW, PURE CHANGE STANDPOINT.
BUT AS FAR AS ADOPTING THIS MAP, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO NOW.
OR YOU CAN GO BACK AND SAY, ADOPT THIS MAP WITH THIS AREA BEING HEIGHT RESTRICTED OR THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE CRYSTAL MORE SPECIFIC CHANGES.
AS I WAS SAYING, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT THE PLANNING ZONING'S BEEN WORKING ON.
FIRST WAS THE REZONING OF THE ENTIRE CITY.
SECOND WAS THE CREATION OF THE BAYOU MIXED DEVELOPMENT.
THE THIRD PROJECT WE HAVE BEEN IN PROGRESS WITH FOR THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, COUPLE THREE MONTHS IS REVIEWING THE UDC LANGUAGE.
SO IN LINE WITH WHAT, UH, UH, THE ATTORNEY'S SAYING, I THINK IT'S COMFORTABLE TO SAY IF THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO SUPPLY THE COUNCIL WITH A REQUESTED TO APPROVE ADJUSTMENT TO THE ENTIRE CITY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.
AND THEN ALSO TO THE CITY, TO THE COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'VE CREATED A SECONDARY OR THIRD AREA, WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE NEED TO USE ON THAT.
THAT THERE IS A NEW ZONING, UH, DIVISION THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE.
ANY ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ADJUSTMENTS, IE HEIGHTS, ACCEPTANCE, REJECTIONS, ALL THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE'VE COME UP IN THE UDC.
I BELIEVE THOSE CAN BE ADDRESSED LITERALLY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS AS EVERYTHING WE IDENTIFY IN UDC, WE GET TO A POINT WHERE, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THESE 10 THINGS THAT WE DON'T LIKE.
AND THEN WE DO THAT ONE MONTH, THREE MONTHS LATER, HERE'S ANOTHER 10 THINGS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEST PART ABOUT THE WAY THIS WHOLE SYSTEM WORKS IS NOTHING SET IN STONES.
SO IF WE DO SOMETHING AND THE CITIZENS, OR WE AS A CITY FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE OR NOT THE RIGHT WAY OF DOING IT, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST IS WE'RE LIKE, OH, WELL THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP DOING IT THAT WAY.
AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY BUCKED THAT TREND NOW WITH THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS WITH THIS COUNCIL.
UM, THE ONE THING I KNOW MR. SCHRADER HAD SOMETHING HE WANTED TO BRING UP, AND I'M ASSUMING IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, SINCE P AND Z IS HERE, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH LEAVING IT AS IT IS PER THEIR
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REQUEST? OR DO Y'ALL STILL WANNA CHANGE IT? I RESPECTFULLY, AND MAN, I DON'T WANNA GET HIT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD WHEN I SAY THIS.I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY'RE SAYING.
I DISAGREE WITH THE WAY THEY READ WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, ON FAUNA DRIVE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PARCELS ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONES EXACTLY WERE, BUT THERE WAS ONE PARCEL THAT IS THE STORES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
THOSE ARE BEING IDENTIFIED AS AUTOCENTRIC, NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO PUT A GAS STATION AND A BAR AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE.
IT'S A SIMPLE FACT THAT THOSE STORES ALREADY EXIST AND THEY HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH AUTOCENTRIC.
WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO I ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ITEM IS THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT AREAS.
ONE THAT HAS DASHES AND THE OTHER ONE'S THAT'S JUST RED.
SO THE RED IS AUTOCENTRIC AND THEN THE RED WITH THE DASHES IS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND THEY'RE THE SAME PROPERTY LINE, I THINK.
I, I AM NOT, UH, TRYING TO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.
I GUESS IT, IT WAS CONFUSING TO ME ON THE, AND IT MIGHT BE JUST THE VISUAL, BUT IT CAN'T BE IF MR. MOORE, MR. MOORE, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT.
IT CAN'T BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION 'CAUSE IT ALREADY EXISTS AS A BUSINESS.
WELL, I'M SAYING THAT'S JUST WHAT THE MAP ON HERE SHOWS.
BUT ON HERE IT SHOWS THE RIGHT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE SAME THING.
IF EVERYONE'S SEEING WHAT I'M SEEING, 1905 AND 1902 IS SOMEBODY'S RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THOUGH.
THOSE, THOSE ARE SHOULD BOTH BE IDENTIFIED.
SO THOSE ARE IN, IN PEACOCK NEED TO BE THE RED.
THOSE NEED TO BE YELLOW AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? YES.
SO THOSE NEED TO BE CHANGED OFF OF THAT.
SO THEN THAT'S THE AIR THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
BECAUSE THE 1905 IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE AND THAT, THAT WAS WHY I WAS CONFUSED WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL MAP IS I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT.
IT HAS THESE WITH THE RED AND THE DASH LINES MM-HMM
SO THE, THE STRIP MALL THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT WAS OWNED BEFORE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BECOME ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE LANDLORD HAS ALLOWED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
SO NO IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, WITH ALL THE RESPECT TO EVERYBODY HERE, THEY ALL LEFT.
OH, DID THEY LEAVE? THEY ALL LEFT.
I WAS WONDERING HOW I DIDN'T GET HIT.
BUT ANYWAY, AND THEN, UH, ON THE WAIT UNTIL NEXT MEETING, I KNOW
UH, AND THEN ON THE, THE 1810 I THINK WAS THE ONE THAT, UH, I THINK WE DID CALL THAT ONE RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION.
NO, WE, SO THESE TWO LAWS, WE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
WHICH IS MUCH LESS INTENSE THAN AUTOCENTRIC.
AND TO REAFFIRM THE EXPLANATION ON SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL IS THERE'S A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF THINGS THAT FALL IN THAT CATEGORY.
AND THEY ARE LITERALLY SMALL SCALE.
THERE'S NOT A BIG PARKING LOT.
THERE'S NOT A GROCERY STORE THAT'S GONNA GO IN THERE.
THIS IS IF A DOCTOR WANTED TO PUT AN OFFICE IN THERE, IF A SPA WANTED TO GO TO THE END OF YOUR STREET, THEY COULD DO THAT.
UH, WHAT WE RAN INTO ON MANY NEIGHBORHOODS IS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE CAPS ON THE ENDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT A BUT FIVE 17, NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE PUT THEIR HOUSE ON FIVE 17.
SO YOU ENDED UP WITH THESE LOTS THAT NOBODY COULD BUILD ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY WERE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DID NOT WANNA MAKE 'EM AUTOCENTRIC.
AND AGAIN, ONE, IT WASN'T BIG ENOUGH.
IN GENERAL, MOST OF 'EM, 1700 IS DEFINITELY NOT BIG ENOUGH.
1800, 18 10 IS TECHNICALLY BIG ENOUGH.
BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE PEACOCKS AND THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, WE CHOSE TO GO WITH A SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
THAT PLACE HAS BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND NOBODY'S BUILT A HOUSE ON IT.
WELL, THE HOUSE, UH, GOT TORN DOWN AFTER HARVEY.
NO, THAT HOUSE YOU BURNT DOWN.
THAT HOUSE BURNED DOWN JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS ONE YEAR.
IT HAD A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE IN THERE.
IT WAS BEAU EVEN WHEN IT BURNED, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU WENT IN THERE
IT WAS A BIG, THAT WAS A HOUSE.
I REMEMBER DRIVING PAST IT A LOT AND I KNOW WHY IT WASN'T REBUILT.
PORT K I'LL TELL YOU AFTER MEETINGS,
I LOVE A SECRET, BUT PUBLIC RECORDS NEVERMIND.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THE, THE WHOLE POINT WAS AGAIN TO, WITH ALL RESPECT TO FADA IN THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION, WAS MAKING IT SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
UH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TURN IT INTO AUTOCENTRIC, LIKE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
AND WE ABSOLUTELY COULD HAVE, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION AND HOW THEY OPERATE AND WHAT'S BEHIND IT, WHAT'S ADJACENT TO IT, AND THE, EVEN THAT, UH, STRIP MALL RIGHT THERE, THAT'S, IT'S AUTOCENTRIC.
BUT THAT'S BEEN A VERY NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE LOTS IN THERE FOR DECADES.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IT STAY THAT WAY.
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I THINK THAT FROM BASICALLY WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM THE CITIZENS, IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY'RE JUST MAKING SURE IT STAYS A COMMUNITY RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, I GET IT.YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU DON'T WANT TO A A LOUD BAR IN THE, I DON'T WANNA SEE A DOLLAR GENERAL ON THAT LOT.
OR YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING WITH EXTREMELY HIGH TRAFFIC IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND STUFF.
UM, I CAN GET THE, THE, UH, UNCERTAINTY THAT COMES WITH CHANGING AND ZONING AND THAT'S WHY I'M GLAD THAT THE CONVERSATION'S HAPPENING OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT IT.
IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE A DOCTOR'S OFFICE WANTS TO GO IN THERE, LIKE A PEDIATRICS OFFICE.
AND THIS IS KIND OF IN LINE WITH ONE OF THE THINGS JOHN SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE IS HUNDREDS OF LOTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS LIKE, I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER WHAT THAT IS.
AND IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON FOR THREE, MAYBE FOUR OF US TO HAVE DRIVEN ON ANY OF THOSE LOTS THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE WEEK OR TWO BEFORE WE WENT TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF 'EM, ONE, WE KNEW IT VERY PERSONALLY.
UH, I'VE BEEN ON FO DRIVE MYSELF A FEW THOUSAND TIMES OVER THE YEARS AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE RESPECT, LIKE I SAID, THE PEACOCKS ARE A LEGENDARY THING OF DICKINSON.
I DO NOT WANNA MESS WITH THAT.
WHAT, UM, UH, MR. MOORE, WHAT IS THE MAIN USES FOR SMALL, WHAT IS IT CALLED? SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE IT IN ANY OF THESE PACKETS.
I I CAN'T I PULL IT UP, BUT, UH, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL, THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT ARE ASSISTED LIVING OR NURSING FACILITY, UH, GROUP LIVING OR A PARK.
THERE'S STUFF THAT'S PERMITTED BY LIMITED USE.
MOST OF THE LIMITED USE STANDARDS FOR THESE USES ARE, UH, IT'S RESTRICTED TO 15,000 FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
UH, SO STUFF IN THAT CATEGORY ARE 15,000 OR 1500.
WHY NOT 15? UH, SO A LIVE WORK, UH, FACILITY, UPPER STORY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, DAYCARE, TRADE SCHOOL, GOVERNMENT FACILITIES, A GYM OR FITNESS CENTER, BANK OFFICE, UH, FOOD TRUCK COURT, A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH, UH, VETERINARY SERVICES, RETAIL, UH, MICRO MANUFACTURING OR A, OR A KENNEL.
IF YOU WANT TO DO A SHORT TERM RENTAL, A BAR, TAVERN, A CLUB OR, UH, OTHER GOVERNMENT FACILITIES, IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL.
AND YOU SAY A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, DRIVE THROUGH DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT IS OKAY.
LIMITED, BUT BASICALLY BY, RIGHT.
THERE'S SOME LIMITED USE STANDARDS ABOUT THE DISTANCE FROM THE ORDERING BOX TO RESIDENTIAL AND, AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD.
I DON'T THINK THAT LOT'S BIG ENOUGH TO GET AWAY WITH THAT, WITH, WITH THE, UH, THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS RELATIVE TO IT.
WELL YOU MENTIONED SOME OTHER TYPE MEDICAL FACILITIES, BUT YOU DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTION THAT THERE'S LIKE A PCP OR A DENTIST, I'M ASSUMING THAT FALL IN THE SAME OFFICE.
THEY FALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY.
AND I GUESS THIS IS THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR, THEIR INVESTMENT PROTECTED, RIGHT? WHEN WE COME AND BUY A HOME IN THE CITY OF DICKINSON OR WHEREVER YOU BUY A HOME AT IT, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S IN LONG TERM INVESTMENT.
SO I GET WHEN, UH, CITIZENS ARE LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS HERE OR THIS HERE OR THAT HERE.
HOWEVER, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY, YOU DON'T GET TO CONTROL THE PROPERTY.
IT'S A TERRIBLE THING TO SAY, BUT TRUE.
SO I KNOW Y'ALL ARE PUT IN A REALLY WEIRD SPOT, AND I DON'T ENVY Y'ALL'S JOB OF HAVING TO TRY TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE BEST USE IS.
BUT THE THING IS, WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE IS Y'ALL HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF GOING LINE BY LINE WITH LOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE THE PROPER WAY, WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD HAVE DONE, BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, BUT IF WE CAN ALWAYS EXPLAIN THE WHY, THEN I CAN, I CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT.
THE WHY IS WHAT MATTERS TO CITIZENS.
IT'S NOT THE THE THE WHAT, THE WHO, IT'S THE WHY.
WELL, I HOPE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND TOO.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE, AS COUNCIL, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF HELP NAVIGATE THAT AND MANAGE THAT.
AND, AND IT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST FOR ANYTHING TO GO IN THERE THAT DECIMATE PROPERTY VALUES EITHER, THAT HELPS, THAT HURTS THE CITY.
SO I HOPE PEOPLE AT HOME WATCHING THIS OR IN THE AUDIENCE KNOW THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN.
DID, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY IN SAYING THAT THE P AND Z CAN ADOPT THIS MAP AND WE CAN MAKE CHANGES AS A COUNCIL, WE CAN ADOPT THESE, UH, HEIGHT RULES AND ALL OF THAT AT, AT A, AT A NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? PNZ CAN YES.
COUNCIL MEMBER PNZ CAN SUGGEST, UH, UM, THE ADOPTION OF THIS MAP BY COUNCIL.
AND I'LL GO THROUGH, I'LL, I'LL STATE THE LANGUAGE TO THEM AND THEN HAVE THEM VOTE.
UM, AND SO THEY WOULD BE BASICALLY RECOMMENDING THAT THIS MAP BE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, BOTH OF THEM.
AND, AND WE CAN GO BOTH MAPS WE AT, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
WE CAN CHANGE AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT WE LIKE, UH, AT THE, AT THE ORDINANCE, WHEN WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, WE CAN ADOPT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THE CANOPY RESTRICTIONS,
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ALL OF THAT.AND, AND JUST LIKE ANY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE BE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, PIECE TO IT TO WHERE OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UM, AND, UH, IF A CITIZEN WANTS TO COMMENT ON, YOU KNOW, ON, YOU KNOW, ON THIS MAP AND ANY CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED, THERE'LL BE A FIRST READING, WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN THE SECOND READING WILL BE, UH, THE MEETING AFTER THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, LIKE I SAID, JUST THIS IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT SUPER MAJORITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
DO WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THE MASS MAP FROM THAT ONE SPECIFIC THAT THEY HAD THE, UM, PETITION FOR? SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE TWO SPECIFIC ITEMS TO VOTE ON? OH, GO AHEAD.
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE, HAS THERE BEEN PETITIONS FILED? WELL, I'M JUST ASKING, Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT SUPER MAJORITY AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN I WANNA MAKE SURE ONCE AGAIN, WE DO IT, WE'RE GONNA SEPARATE IT AND WE'LL DO THE SUPER MAJORITY.
I'M, IT'S MORE OF DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF THEY HAVE GIVEN US ALL THESE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE FOUR PAGES OF SIGNATURES.
SIGNATURES, AND LIKE, I, I'M MAKING SURE ONCE AGAIN, IT'S BY THE BOOK.
SO, SO, SO IN, IN, AS FAR AS THE, THE PETITION IS CONCERNED, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S, IS THAT THAT WAS ALL FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES, SIR.
UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT SATISFIES, IT WAS FROM THE LOT WE WERE JUST PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSING.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD DO A COUPLE THINGS.
WE CAN, UM, UM, ACTUALLY DRAW OUT, UM, LIKE BASICALLY TAKE THAT SECTION OUT.
UM, TO, TO YOUR QUESTION OR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.
YOU COULD TAKE THIS SECTION OUT AND, AND JUST VOTE ON THAT SECTION, THE REMAINDER SECTION.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PETITION LIES.
UH, IN THE LAST UDC ADOPTION, MR. COPELAND HAD BROUGHT UP A POINT OF ORDER THAT A FINAL REPORT FOR THE PREVIOUS UDC WAS NOT SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
A FINAL REPORT DOCUMENT FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE LAST UDC HAS, HAS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ISSUED A FINAL REPORT ON THIS ZONING MAP? AND, UH, I GUESS TO THE ATTORNEY, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? SORRY ABOUT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.
I WAS, UH, SPEAKING TO THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, ARE YOU ASKING, IS IT A REQUIREMENT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO SUBMIT A FINAL REPORT TO THE COUNCIL, UH, ON THE, ON THE AMENDMENT OF THE CURRENT UDC TO FOR ITS CHANGE? IT WAS BROUGHT UP AS A CONCERN, UH, BY ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS BEFORE THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DID NOT OCCUR THAT SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED.
UH, SO MY QUESTION TO UTILIZE AND IS THIS A STEP THAT IS REQUIRED AND HAS MAY OR MAY HAVE NOT BEEN DONE AT THIS TIME? SO, SO AS FAR AS ADOPTING WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED PROPOSED, UH, NOT ADOPTING, BUT AS FAR AS P AND Z PROPOSING, WHAT THEY, UM, THINK THAT COUNCIL SHOULD ADOPT, WHAT I'M SEEING IS, IS THE TWO MAPS, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, WHICH WAS POSTED AN EXPLANATION OF BUY YOU MIXED USE.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE POSTED WELL IN ADVANCE BEFORE THIS MEETING.
COUNCIL WOULD NOT BE TAKING IN ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT POSTED.
UM, AND SO, SO THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, READING OR WORDING FOR YOU ALL WOULD BE, UM, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT COUNCIL ADOPT, YOU KNOW, MAP WHATEVER THE, THE TITLE OF THAT MAP IS BASED ON THE AGENDA.
ALSO MAP NUMBER TWO BASED ON THE AGENDA, AND THEN THE EXPLANATION OF BUY YOU MIXED USE, WHICH IS ALSO POSTED.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR IN ADDITION THAT YOU ALL WANNA PROPOSE SPECIFICALLY, THEN TO YOUR QUESTION, YES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO, TO, TO P AND Z BACK TO YOUR, YOUR OWN MEETING AND THEN PROPOSE THAT OUTSIDE OF THIS SESSION.
THE ONLY, IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYTHING THAT'S POSTED, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION WAS, DOES PLANNING AND ZONING HAVE TO SUBMIT A DOCUMENT TITLED FINAL REPORT? WAS HE REFERRING TO A COMMISSION REPORT? UH, FROM THE COMMITTEE? YEAH.
FOR ADOPTION, ECA PAPER REPORT, OR GONNA BE A VERBAL IS, IS THAT, IS THAT, WELL, MR. COPELAND ASKED FOR A COPY OF THAT FINAL REPORT.
SO MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A FINAL REPORT, PROBABLY SHOULD BE SIGNED BY AT LEAST THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, THE BOARD, THE BOARD PRESIDENT COMMISSION, UHHUH
IS THAT THE TYPICAL WAY THAT THAT COUNCIL RECEIVES FROM PLANNING AND ZONING? I DON'T, IS THINK ANYTHING OF THIS IS TYPICAL FOR OTHER
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APPLICATIONS?YOU DID? THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
IT IS A VERY FAIR, UH, COUNCILMAN EDMONDS, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE, OH, GOD.
AND, AND GETTING OFF THE RAILS, MAKE SURE I'M MI NOT MISSING ANYTHING BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT A REPORT OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GENERATING.
UH, AND WE HAVE A, A REGULAR UPDATE REPORTS WOULD, WOULD BE OUR MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS OF WHICH I SIGN EVERY ONE OF THEM AND THEY'RE ALL ON FILE.
AND THEN I THINK THAT IS ALL PROGRESS REPORTS.
AND I BELIEVE THE FINAL REPORT IS GOING TO BE THE FACT THAT I AM GOING TO ASK MY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE TO MAKE A MOTION AMONGST OURSELVES TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO ACCEPT OUR LABORS AS THE FINAL REPORT.
WOULD THAT BE IN, IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN PUT IT ON PAPER LATER AND LET AND AND, AND GO AHEAD.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ADOPT ANOTHER ZONE IF THAT HAPPENED? WOULD WE ABLE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO CREATE A NEW ZONE OUTSIDE, UH, OF COUNCIL? COULD COUNCIL DO THAT DURING THIS PROCESS TODAY? UH, NO.
UM, AFTER A VOTE HAS OCCURRED, MY AND MY QUESTION IS AS TO AVOID ANY OTHER DELAY OF TIME, UH, AND ADOPTING THE MAP AND ALSO POTENTIALLY ADDRESSING THE NEW LAW THAT WENT INTO, UH, EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
SO MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS REQUIRED TO BE ALLOWED TO BE IN THE CITY IN SOME PERMISSIBLE ZONE.
AND MY THOUGHT IS, IS IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO CONTROL, THEN WE SHOULD PROVIDE A ZONE FORM FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
SO, SO, SO YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT COUNCIL MEMBER.
AND, AND WITH THAT, IT, IT, MY, IT, IT BRINGS, IT JUST BASICALLY MY SUGGESTION NOW BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN ORDER TO, TO FIT THAT.
UM, I MEAN, I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEW LAWS, BUT IF THERE'S NO ZONE RIGHT NOW FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING, THEN IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR P AND Z TO GO BACK AND ACTUALLY PRESENT.
UM, NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING LIKE THIS, BUT, BUT TO ACTUALLY PROPOSE A, A, A MAP THAT INCLUDES THAT.
NOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, DISSECT THIS MAP AND, AND DO THOSE THINGS OUTSIDE OF PNZ, AND YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE THIS MAP AS AS WHAT IT IS AND MOVE ON, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
HOWEVER, IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT, UM, I MEAN, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME STEPS, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND LIKE PUBLIC WORKSHOP ON THAT SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SECTION.
AND SO NOW A CITIZEN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO PNZ IF THEY WERE TO TAKE IT BACK TO COME TO PNZ, DO THE, DO THE STEPS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE REQUIRED OR PROPER? WE'VE GIVEN CITIZENS THE CHANCE TO DO IT.
I'M, AND I'M TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT ADDING THE MANUFACTURED HOMES.
WELL, I MEAN, SO WE, WE HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT IN SOME AREAS.
MY QUESTION IS DO, DO WE HAVE A MANUFACTURED HOUSING ZONE? OUR ZONE, THE ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS MANUFACTURED HOUSING PARKS.
IT DOES NOT SPEC SPECIFY IN SINGLE, IN A ZONE IN SOME ZONES.
MY QUESTION IS, IS IF WE WANT TO CONTROL THE AREAS REALLY WHERE THOSE ARE, SHOULD WE CREATE A A SPACE FOR THAT? FOR THAT IN SOME ZONES? IN SOME ZONES, WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT IDENTIFIED IN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT, IT REALLY ONLY SAYS MANUFACTURED HOME PARK OR SUBDIVISION.
SO IF THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE STATE LAW, THEN YEAH, WE'RE GOOD.
BUT IT DOES SAY EACH LOT SHALL HAVE NOT MORE THAN ONE MANUFACTURER HOME COUNCIL MEMBER.
I I, TO, TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
RIGHT NOW, IT CAN BE IN ANY ONE OF THESE PURPLE ZONES BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, UM, BEFORE THAT IT COULD BE IN ANY ONE OF THE BEIGE LIGHT, LIGHT BEIGE COLOR ZONES.
UM, IF, IF COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM, NOT LONG TERM, BUT IMMEDIATELY AFTER P AND Z HAS THE THOUGHT THAT IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE COUNSEL, MEANING YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, UH, MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE RIGHT HERE IN THIS SECTOR OF THE CITY OR RIGHT HERE, THEN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WOULD LIKE THE ADVICE THE, OR LIKE THE ADVICE OF P AND Z, THEN THIS NEEDS TO GO BACK IF, IF I MAY.
BUT THAT INSTRUCTION THERE, GO AHEAD.
JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, REAL QUICK.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE POINTS OF THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION IS FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THE NEED, THE WANT TO GET THIS DONE AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY,
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BUT IT'S TO HAVE THIS JOINT DISCUSSION SO THAT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT, WHAT THE OTHER HAND IS DOING, UM, TO SAY, HEY, LET'S, CAN YOU GO BACK AND DO THIS? UM, SO THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TO, LET'S RUSH THIS THROUGH AS MAYOR MENTIONED.I MEAN, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE SAID TO YOURSELF, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CROSSING ALL OUR T'S AND DOTTING ALL I'S, IF I MAY, WE'RE A PRETTY GOOD COMMITTEE.
I'M PRETTY PROUD OF EVERYBODY ON HERE FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE, BUT WE'RE NOT WALKING ON WATER.
UH, WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH THESE THINGS AND WE'VE ALL BEEN ON PLANNING AND ZONING FOR SEVERAL YEARS THAT HAVE INCLUDE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE REZONE REQUESTS.
UH, SOME OF THOSE REZONE REQUESTS HAVE COME FROM STAFF BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFIED A LOT THAT WAS MISIDENTIFIED.
EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, COUNCILMAN, AS FAR AS THE MANUFACTURED ZONE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO OVERLY CONCERN OURSELVES WITH PERFECTION TODAY.
AND I DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY DISMISS AND DISREGARD, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING FOR PERFECTION.
THIS IS A PRETTY DAMN GOOD PROGRAM RIGHT HERE.
TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, THE STATE CAN COME UP WITH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT RULES TO SAY WE GOTTA CHANGE THINGS.
OKAY? THEN IT'S GONNA COME BEFORE PNZ.
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT, WE'RE GONNA DEBATE IT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN IT'LL GO BEFORE COUNCIL.
YOU GUYS WILL DISCUSS IT, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU'LL DECIDE WHETHER TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT.
AND THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ABOUT 300,000 MORE TIMES OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
SO FORGIVE ME FOR NOT GETTING TOO EXCITED.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT'S A VALID POINT, BUT IT'S NOT THE END ALL BE ALL WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY.
UH, AND AGAIN, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED, WE'VE CREATED SOMETHING, WE'VE CREATED TWO SOMETHINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO COUNSEL WHEN WE WOULD LIKE COUNSEL TO ACCEPT THEM.
AND, AND CURRENTLY AS WE UNDERSTAND THE UDC, THIS, EVERYTHING WE HAVE CHOSEN TO DO IS IN LINE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC.
AGAIN, WE HAVE A THIRD PROJECT THAT IS IN THE WORKS THAT WILL BE IN THE WORKS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH UDC, AS WE KEEP SEEING THINGS THAT CHANGE.
I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU FIVE YEARS, HOW 10 YEARS WE MIGHT STILL BE WORKING ON THIS STUFF, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR CITY, THIS IS SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE, THIS IS GONNA BE THE THIRD ITERATION OF ZONING THAT I'VE PERSONALLY WITNESSED.
EVERYONE BEFORE WAS DONE BY OUTSIDE PEOPLE, WELL-INTENTIONED PEOPLE THAT WERE BEING PAID TO LOOK AT MAPS, LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS, LOOK AT PICTURES, DIDN'T KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS, DIDN'T KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS, DIDN'T KNOW THE HISTORY.
THEY DID THE BEST THEY COULD, BUT IT WAS JUST ONE BIG PROBLEMATIC ISSUE AFTER ANOTHER.
AND I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA MAKE THOSE MISTAKES, BUT I THINK WE'RE A LOT DAMN BETTER THAN THEY WERE.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I AGREE EVERY CONCERN THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP IS VALID, BUT I WOULD SAY I'M RESPECTFULLY ASKING COUNSEL TO ACCEPT THESE TWO MAPS.
SO WHICH TWO AND NOTHING MORE.
SO, WHICH TWO? 'CAUSE I GOT FOUR.
SO, WHICH TWO? 'CAUSE I'VE GOT FOUR THAT SAID PROPOSED.
WELL, YOU'VE GOT PROPOSED EAST, PROPOSED CENTRAL, AND YOU GOT PROPOSED WEST.
AND THEN ITS LAST ONE IS PROPOSED DOWNTOWN AND IT'S JUST SPLIT UP.
IT'S JUST A DIVISION OF THE ONE.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT CLOSER.
STAFF WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A CLEAN MAP FOR ADOPTION IF, WHICH WE'LL DO FOR THE NEXT ITEM ON COUNCIL MEET ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, I DID WANNA BRING UP ONE ITEM FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, AS WELL AS COUNCIL.
UH, LIKE I SAID, I WAS GONNA TALK, I TALKED TO TEXAS CITY'S MAYOR, SO IF EVER THE WATER STREET PROJECT, UM, THE LAND ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT WE OWN AS THE EDC, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, IS ACTUALLY PART OF TEXAS CITY.
THERE IS ZERO AGREEMENT WITH THEM WITH SALES TAX REVENUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY TALKED TO THE PREVIOUS MAYOR AND THE PREVIOUS MAYOR.
UM, AND WE HAVE A, WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE A GOOD OPEN DIALOGUE RIGHT NOW AND THEY WON'T.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT THE ONE THING THAT THEY DID SAY IS THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT A BIG FAN OF, UM, GETTING RID OF ANY TEXAS CITY LAND, BASICALLY.
SO, UH, AND DE ANNEXING IS PROBABLY OUT OF THE QUESTION.
UM, BUT SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT HAS TO COME TO FRUITION.
UM, BECAUSE WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SOME COMPLICATED THING BECAUSE WE OWN LAND IN TEXAS CITY.
SO, UH, FUTURE TO COME FROM THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE IS ZERO AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND TEXAS CITY.
THERE WAS A CONVERSATION WITH MAYOR SKIPWORTH AND MAYOR JOHNSON, UH, BUT NEVER NOTHING EVER CAME TO FRUITION FROM IT.
UM, SO WE DO OWN THAT PROPERTY AND WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY WITH YOUR BAYOU ZONE, THAT KIND OF CHANGES SOME THINGS.
SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
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WHEN WE RECEIVE A CLEAN MAP, CAN WE RECEIVE A LIST OF THE TEXT AMENDMENTS OFF? ABSOLUTELY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ZONING MAPS? YES.
SO FIRST OFF, IF Y'ALL THOUGHT WE WERE COMING IN HERE TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I WAS VOTING, NO, I'M TIRED OF BEING BROUGHT IN HERE AND DUMPED SOMETHING IN YOUR LAP AND SAY, HERE IT IS.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WHEN WE STARTED THIS WITH THIS, UH, BAYOU MIXED USE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE LARGER TRACKS OF LAND ON THE BIO AND NOT THE WHOLE BIO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SECOND OFF, I'VE YET, WHAT CAN I BUILD IN A BIO MIXED USE? SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT I CAN BUILD IN IT.
AND THERE'S NOTHING IN WHAT I WAS GIVEN.
IT SAYS YOU CAN BUILD THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS AND IT.
WHERE AM I GOING HERE? I THINK THAT BRIAN, THAT WAS PART OF THE STANDARDS THAT WAS GIVEN TO US TODAY FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS SLIDE WILL LIST THE PERMITTED USES THAT WE IDENTIFIED DURING THE P AND Z MEETING FOR BY MIXED USE.
SO WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, BOAT DOCKS, UTILITIES, EXTENDED STAY HOTELS AND RESIDENCES, UH, RESORT, A RESTAURANT, AND ALL OTHER RETAIL REPAIR AND MICRO MANUFACTURING.
THERE'S OTHERS IN THE LIMITED USE PERMIT FOR, UH, UPPER STORY RESIDENTIAL AND AMPHITHEATER WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT IS 2000 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL, A BED AND BREAKFAST AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND ALSO FOOD TRUCK COURT, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF P AND Z.
AND COUNSEL WOULD BE A PARK, A BAR, TAVERN, OR NIGHTCLUB, UH, AND A GOLF COURSE.
SO YOU CAN BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN IT.
I DON'T LIKE YOUR MAP ALSO 'CAUSE JUST TAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND ROGERS.
NOT ONLY MIXED USE OR BIO MIXED USE, THEN YOU'VE GOT ITS OWN THREE DIFFERENT RAYS.
URBAN TRANSITION, UH, URBAN TRANSITION.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ONE IN DAKOTA IS.
I GUESS IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO OF 'EM THAT ARE TANNED, THAT'S URBAN TRANSITION PLUS TWO ALONG THE BIO.
WELL, THE ONES THAT GO ALONG THE BIO, THEN YOU GOT 'EM IN LIGHT BLUE.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GONNA BE THE, UH, COUNCILMAN, IF I MAY GO AHEAD.
I'M SURE WE WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CITY.
I DIDN'T KNOW AND ZONED EVERY LOT PRIOR TO OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BAYOU MIXED USE.
IF YOU GUYS CHOOSE TO TOSS THE BAYOU MIXED USE ALL THOSE HATCHES COME OFF OF IT AND WE GO LOOK AT WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ZONED IT AS.
THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE OTHER ZONING REFERRAL IS.
AND, AND SO FOR CLARITY THAT THAT AREA, A LOT OF IT WAS ZONED AS DOWNTOWN.
THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT DID NOT PERMIT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO A LOT OF THAT AREA IS, YOU KNOW, EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY, IT ALL, IT'S ALL EXCEPT FOR THE BRAND NEW DUPLEX, UH, DUPLEX THEY BUILT IN THERE.
AND THERE'S A, UH, COUPLE DUPLEXES IN THERE.
THE REST OF THAT IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE ZONED.
BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME LOCK DOWN IN THERE WITH THEY BUILT, THEY BUILD A DUPLEX IN THERE, THEY'RE STICKING FOUR CARS ON.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN YOU PUT TWO CARS IN EACH ONE OF THEM DRIVEWAYS, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY GET THE DOORS OPEN WITHOUT BEATING THAT PAINT OFF THE CARS.
IT'S PROBABLY WORTH MENTIONING THAT A DUPLEX IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN, IN THREE OUT OF FOUR OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
I STILL DON'T, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
AIN'T
BUT IT'S STILL, THEY HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THE UDC AS FAR AS HOW CLOSE THEY CAN BE, WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO SETBACKS.
AND I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S STILL RULES IN PLACE.
UH, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE DUPLEXES DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PUT ONE THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU SHOVE IT ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE LOT, WELL, IF, IF, IF THE LOT'S BIG ENOUGH, YOU LEGALLY CAN YEAH.
BUT IF THE LOT'S TOO SMALL, THEN YOU LEGALLY CAN'T SOMEHOW SOMEBODY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE PHOTO, THE MAP? YEAH, THAT ONE.
SO JUST, JUST QUESTION, WOULD IT BE UNREALISTIC TO GO FROM THAT ROAD THAT WHERE IT SAYS HOLY TRINITY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF THAT ACTUAL, IT'S 46TH STREET.
SO IF WE TOOK 46TH STREET ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO WHERE THE ZONE OF THE BAYOU MEETS AND CALL THAT RESIDENTIAL,
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SO RIGHT.SO BECAUSE THAT, THOSE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO, AND THEN YOU KEEP EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT DOWNTOWN.
BUT EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT WOULD JUST GO TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR WHATEVER Y'ALL DEEM FIT.
UM, JUST TO CLEAN IT UP SO THERE'S NOT AS MANY.
SO THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE TAN ONES OR THE BLUE ONES.
IT WOULD JUST BE ONE COLOR OF WHETHER IT'S TAN OR BLUE OR JUST BECAUSE EVEN IN THE, EVEN IN THE TAN OR JUST THE RED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, YOU JUST TURN 'EM ALL INTO THAT RED DASH RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO BASICALLY ALL OF THIS TURNS INTO THIS.
WELL, THE CHURCH I WOULD LEAVE AS COMMERCIAL.
SO THE, SO THIS, WELL, I MEAN THOSE ARE ALL HOUSES RIGHT THERE.
FROM 46 DOWN ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY TO THE BIO OF HOUSES.
REALLY? WHICH, AND THAT'S, YOU JUST BRANCH IT UP TO THE BAYOU MIXED USE HOLY TRINITY CHURCHES.
THERE'S TWO CEMETERIES IN THERE.
SO THAT'S ONE PUBLIC AND THEN ONE BELONGS TO THE CHURCH.
JUST CURIOUS ABOUT JUST THAT LITTLE, LITTLE WHAT TWO BLOCK AREA? MM-HMM
TURN IT INTO THE RED DASH LINE, UH, AND THEN THE BROWN OR THE TAN ALSO, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS EXACTLY HOW IT, YOU HA YOU GUYS HAVE IT.
JUST THROW THROW AN IDEA OUT THERE TO FIX, TO GO.
MAYOR, I, I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD MULTIPLE TIMES YEAH.
WHEN WE WERE IN DISAGREEMENT, UH, WAS, OKAY, WHAT IS, IF WE HAD FIVE PEOPLE, ALL RIGHT, THREE OF US THINK THIS, TWO OF US THINK THAT, ALL RIGHT, WELL WE'RE GONNA PUT IT DOWN AS THE THREE, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE VOTED IT.
AND THEN IT WAS ALSO THAT WE LOOKED IN, NOT TO THROW YOU GUYS UNDER THE BUS.
IT'S LIKE, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE IT, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO CHANGE IT.
AND SO I DO DEFER TO YOU GUYS, UH, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND AS FAR AS YOU DON'T LIKE ANYTHING, BY ALL MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT AND THERE ISN'T HARDLY A LOT IN THIS CITY THAT IS LIKE, THIS IS SET IN STONE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING IT COULD BE.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, ZONING DEPARTMENTS, ZONING, UH, DESCRIPTORS THAT ARE REALLY NOT THAT FAR FROM EACH OTHER.
THERE MIGHT BE ONE THING LIKE LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL AREA.
WELL, ONE OF 'EM ALLOWS THIS, BUT THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.
OKAY, WELL THAT LINE SAYS THAT, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THIS STORE OVER THERE.
WELL WE THEN WE CAN'T CALL IT THAT.
AND THERE WAS LOGIC BEHIND IT, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT SIX MONTHS AGO, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE LOGIC WAS, BUT IT WAS LOGICAL AT THE TIME.
AND SO THERE'S ANYTHING YOU GUYS SEE ON HERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I CAN SIT BACK AND GO, OH YEAH, WAIT A MINUTE.
I REMEMBER THERE'S A, A STORE RIGHT THERE.
BUT IT STILL GOES INTO THE, WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE, WE AIN'T WALKING ON WATER OVER HERE.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT, SO I GUESS THE, MY QUESTION, AND THIS WOULD KIND OF, Y'ALL ARE NOT SO SOLD ON THIS LITTLE LOCATION RIGHT HERE WHERE WE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THIS.
YOU'RE NOT LIKE YOU'ALL AREN'T GONNA DIE ON THAT SWORD SPECIFICALLY, SIR, I CAN TELL YOU THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ON THIS MAP THAT'S HILLS WE'RE WILLING TO DIE ON
EVERYTHING ON HERE IS CITY AS WELL AS OURS.
WELL, THERE'S SOME THINGS I WOULD, RIGHT? YEAH.
I, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT Y'ALL CHANGE THAT I WOULD DIE ON THAT SWORD FOR, BECAUSE I THINK Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF CHANGING 'EM.
BUT THEN THERE'S SOME THINGS IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF IT'S A, A LEFT OR RIGHT, LIKE, WELL, IF Y'ALL CHOSE RIGHT AND WE LIKE LEFT, LIKE IS IT REALLY THAT BIG OF A DEAL? AND I WILL SAY THAT'S WHAT I, I'M LOOKING FOR SAY THE SAME THING THAT WE ALL SAID MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND AGAIN, IT WASN'T TO THROW Y'ALL UNDER THE BUS, BUT YOU'RE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WE SERVE AT YOUR DISPOSAL.
OKAY? IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE WHAT WE DID, YOU'RE, IT WOULD HURT MY FEELINGS.
BUT IF YOU WANTED TO RIP THIS WHOLE THING UP AND THROW IT AWAY, I'M STILL GONNA GO HOME AND SLEEP GOOD TONIGHT.
BUT I RESPECT EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL THAT WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER IT IS TO HELP YOU GUYS AND HELP THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE PUT ON THERE, AGAIN, IS NOT HILLS TO DIE ON.
SO IF ANYTHING, ANYBODY ON COUNCIL DISAGREES WITH USAN, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU GUYS MAKE IT THE WAY YOU WANT.
YEAH, I, I VOTED FOR YOU GUYS.
BUT YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE CITY OF DICKINSON WAS BUILT, UM, VERY UNORTHODOX, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, FOR INSTANCE, KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OFF FATA DRIVE.
IF YOU GO DOWN FRIENDSWOOD MAIN DRIVE OR YOU UNCLEAR CREEKS, OR SORRY, LAKE CITY'S MAIN DRIVE, THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL SETBACK BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS COMFORTABLE AS THOSE CITIES.
AND IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED AMOUNT OF LAND TO DO LIMITED AMOUNT OF STUFF.
AND SO WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE DING CAN FOR.
SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
OTHER THAN THAT, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS FOR PLANNING AND ZONING?
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UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE, UH, SOME LANGUAGE TO GET ACROSS.I'VE GOT A QUESTION WHILE YOU'VE GOT IT.
LIKE UP THERE WHERE IT SAYS NEVADA AND DAKOTA, UH, IS THAT ACTUALLY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION CONSERVATION OR IS IT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION WITH TAN UNDERNEATH IT, MEANING ITS URBAN TRANSITION TO, SO THAT'S THE NEW, THE PROPOSED ZONING.
IF WE ADOPT IT WOULD BE THE NEW, THE RED LINES, WHICH WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
IT USED TO BE THE TAN, WHICH IS URBAN TRANSITION.
AND COUNCILMAN, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS 8,000 TIMES, CORRECT.
AND I, I'M SITTING HERE GOING, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING? OH YEAH, YEAH, HE'S RIGHT.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RIGHT? IT USED TO BE NO, YOU'RE YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
AND NOW Y'ALL'S PROPOSED IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
I'M JUST MAKING IT ALL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
WELL THAT FROM 46 DOWN, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS KIND OF GOING WITH THIS.
AND, BUT IT WAS STILL THE, WITH RESPECT TO DOWNTOWN, THIS WAS A STRUGGLE.
WE ACTUALLY ARGUED AGGRESSIVELY ON ALL OF THE, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE, LIGHT BLUE RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN I DISRESPECT IT EITHER.
SO THERE WAS GIVES AND TAKES, EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON THERE, BLUE, IF COUNCIL WANTS ALL OF THAT TO BECOME, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, YOU'LL GET A HIGH FIVE FROM ME, DEBORAH FORTNER WILL COME TALK PEOPLE.
BUT, UH,
I JUST LOOK AT IT THAT IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL TO ME.
THE CHANCES OF IT CHANGING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS, IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT IT'S ALSO ACCORDING, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR DEBORAH, CORRECT ME UP DEBORAH, CORRECT ME.
DEBORAH'S POINT WAS, AND IT WAS RES LOGICAL, THAT IS ALL THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IF YOU WILL, OF DICKINSON.
THAT'S THE OLDEST PART OF DICKINSON, RIGHT THERE.
THERE ARE MANY, MANY OLD, OLD BUILDINGS AND THERE'S MANY NEW BUILDINGS TOO.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME DEGREE OF RESPECT FOR THE HISTORY THAT WAS KIND OF PUSHED ON THE CONCEPT OF THE DOWNTOWN.
I DON'T, I'VE ONLY SORRY FOR BEING THE NEW GUY.
I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE 27 YEARS, AND SO I DIDN'T COMPLETELY SEE IT THAT WAY.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 50 AND 75 YEARS.
I RESPECT THEIR, THEIR VISION AND THEIR OPINION, EVEN IF I DIFFER.
WELL THERE, THERE ARE, THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR SOME TIME TO MAKE THAT DESIGNATED A HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR DICKINSON.
AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, THEN MAYBE AT ANOTHER TIME OR YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE ADOPT THIS MM-HMM
THEN UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION MAYBE WITH A HISTORIC DISTRICT SURE.
AND THAT WILL IDENTIFY THAT PERMANENTLY MM-HMM
AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD HOWEVER WE WANT TO AFTER THAT.
BUT THERE IS A, THERE'S A RATHER LARGE GROUP WHO'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR SOME TIME.
SO THERE WILL BE PROBABLY IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE WHERE IT WILL BE A DISCUSSION TO TURN THAT INTO A FORMAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND, AND AS AGAIN, INFORMATION WE ARE NOT, SO WHAT DOES THAT DO? THIS IS NOT PERFECT.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO? IT'S JUST WITHIN OUR PUB PURVIEW TO CHANGE IT.
THAT DOES NOT AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO, WHEN WE GET THIS, UH, ORDINANCE DOES NOT AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO PASS THIS AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY CHANGE IT.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN IF THEY MAY IT HIS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THEN WHAT CAN YOU PUT IN OR YOU CAN'T DO RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE'S ONLY DOWNTOWN.
SHE SAID THEY'RE WORKING ON THIS, SO I'M ASKING WHAT YOU CAN PUT IN IT.
WE HAD AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, WELL, LET ME SAY THIS.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN WALLING AROUND IN THIS FOR A LONG TIME NOW.
I THINK YOU GO, OUGHT GO AHEAD AND ADOPT IT WITH ALL THIS WORK.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY CAN FIND THINGS THEY WANT TO CHANGE, BUT YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND AT SOME POINT ADOPT IT AND THEN CHANGE IT LATER.
THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US ABOUT THE UDC TOO.
LET'S GET THIS THING PASSED, WE'LL FIX IT LATER.
WELL, THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S THE EXACT WORD TO USE.
I, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH YOU AS FAR AS WHO GOT CRANKY WITH UDC AND THAT I FELL IN THAT CATEGORY.
BUT I WILL SAY IN A POSITIVE MANNER, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AS THE LATEST PROJECT TO CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE IT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING OUR, OUR BUSINESS TOGETHER AND GETTING TRAVIS BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO COUNSEL MULTIPLE CHANGES OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
I HOPE, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE IN FIVE MORE YEARS WE'LL STILL BE GOING, HEY COUNSEL, WE'VE GOT SOME MORE CHANGES.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE, THE BEST PART IS Y'ALL AREN'T SO SET ON THIS PLAN THAT WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DID IT.
Y'ALL SHOULDN'T CHANGE ANY OF OUR STUFF ANYMORE.
YOU'RE LIKE, GUYS, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA, WE SCREWED SOMETHING UP IN HERE.
WE, WE DID IT THE BEST WE CAN.
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WE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT WATER WALKERS.SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LIKE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS MM-HMM
BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE LET'S SAY AN 85% SOLUTION.
RIGHT? SO THERE'S 15% WE NEED TO CHANGE MM-HMM
UM, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FROM WHAT MY, FROM WHAT I SEE, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I ALWAYS ASK WHY IT'S NEVER THE WHO, THE WHAT, THE WHERE IT'S THE WHY.
AND YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER EVERY SINGLE REASON OF WHY WE Y'ALL CHANGE SOMETHING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO ALWAYS HEAR IS, DID THEY ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THIS? OR THEY JUST THROW A BUNCH OF COLORS ON AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE THE LAST TIME AND WHY YOU PROBABLY WERE FRUSTRATED WITH IT WHEN IT WAS DONE THE PREVIOUS TIME.
I'M READY TO HEAR THE FORMAL LANGUAGE.
LET'S, UH, LET'S GET OUTTA HERE SOON, HUH? WELL, DON'T PERTAIN TO US AS MUCH AS I LOVE TO HANG OUT WITH YOU GUYS.
J JUST, JUST, JUST SO I'M CLEAR SIR, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? YOU'RE NOT BRUCE HENDERSON SIR.
UM, UM, THE, THE MAPS ARE PROPOSED ZONING MAP, WHICH WAS PROPOSED ZONING MAP.
THE OTHER MAP IS I PROPOSED ZONING AND MIXED USE PROPOSED, THAT'S WHERE I HIDE BAYOU MIXED USE ZONING MAP.
PROPOSED BY YOU MIXED USE DISTRICT ONLY ZONING MAP.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I STATE THEM AS TITLED AS THEY'RE POSTED.
AND IF I MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS ONE FLIP, BUT IN LINE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SAID, THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP HAS ZONING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY AND IT'LL NEED TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
AND THEN THE, THE BAYOU MIXED USE WILL HAVE TO BE AFTERWARDS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE PROPOSED ZONING.
I HATE TO BE SEMANTICS, BUT THAT'S, IT'S SOMETHING.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAPS? YES, SIR.
SO I'M GONNA DO THEM NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
I'M GONNA DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, AND UH, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
UM, AND YEAH, I IS IT, IS IT BY POSITION PLANNING ON JUST WE'RE ALL AT LARGE.
I ALL LARGE CALLED ME THE PRESIDENT AND THAT MAKES MY FAULT.
I'LL LET YOU, I'LL LET YOU CALL THE VOTE THEN.
UM, BUT I'LL READ THE LANGUAGE FOR YOU.
UM, UH, AND SO YOU, THE TYPICAL WAY THAT YOU VOTE IN MEETINGS, UM, WITH A SECOND.
UM, AND SO, UM, GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION FOR, AND THEN I'LL READ WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION FOR.
I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO, TO, UH, TO ADOPT AND SUGGEST TO THAT COUNSEL ADOPT THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AS POSTED, UH, FOR THIS MEETING, UH, THAT IS BEING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 29TH.
UH, THIS JOINT MEETING THAT'S BEING HELD ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP.
DO I NEED TO REPEAT THAT OUT LOUD? BUT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT.
HAVE FORGIVE ME ANY CONVERSATION.
ALRIGHT, I MAKE A SECOND MOTION TO A, TO ADOPT AND SUGGEST THAT CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, UH, UM, OR I'M SORRY TO SUGGEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON ADOPT A PROPOSED BAYOU MIXED USE DISTRICT ONLY ZONING MAP.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION.
WELL, SO COUNSEL, IT'S, IT'S IN YOU ALL'S HANDS.
UM, AND UH, NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE WILL HAVE THE LANGUAGE SO WE CAN VOTE ON IT, CAN VOTE ON IT, MAKE CHANGES, COMMENTS.
UM, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST READING.
AND THEN THE SECOND READING WILL BE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER CHANGES THAT YOU, YOU INCORPORATED.
SO THE, BASICALLY THE MEETING THAT WE HAVE NEXT ON THE 13TH IS, IS GONNA BE THE MAPS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW.
I WANTED TO JUST MAKE A CLARIFICATION.
I THINK IN THE NEW CHARTER, MARK, HELP ME WITH THIS.
THIS IS RIGHT THAT MICRO MICROPHONE.
THAT ANYTIME THERE'S A CHANGE, UH, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO VOTES THAT DON'T HAVE CHANGES IN THEM.
THE FINAL MARK, IS THAT RIGHT? THE FINAL READING IS NOT REQUIRED TO, IS THE ONE THAT'S REQUIRED TO NOT HAVE ANY CHANGE.
SO WHAT YOU CAN DO IS IF THEY BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK OR TWO WEEKS, WHATEVER, NEXT MEETING
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WE CAN MAKE ALL THE CHANGES WE WANT TO IT.THEN WHEN WE VOTE ON THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST READING.
RIGHT? THEN THE SECOND MEETING, IF ANYBODY MAKES ANY CHANGES, AGAIN, IT STARTS AT ALL BACK OVER AS THE FIRST READING.
AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE A SECOND READING THAT NOBODY CHANGES ANYTHING, THEN THAT'S YOUR SECOND AND FINAL.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE CHANGING IT, THAT STARTS IT OVER AS THE FIRST READING.
UH, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS AT THE LAST, YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO START ALL OVER.
JUST THAT YOUR FINAL READING COULDN'T HAVE CHANGES.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
CAN I HAVE CHANGES? JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND, WILL.
YOU CAN HAVE WILL, YOU CAN HAVE, WILL YOU, EXCUSE ME.
WOULD Y'ALL CHECK THE LANGUAGE OF THIS? YOU INSISTED.
I THINK WHAT I, I JUST LIKE MESSING AROUND.
I THINK WHAT I INFERRED FROM MS COMMENT WAS, IS IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE SECOND MEETING, THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FIRST MEETING.
THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT WOULD THE FIRST, THE FIRST MEETING.
FIRST MEETING COULD BE HAD, WHATEVER.
AND AS LONG AS THERE'S A MEETING WITH NO CHANGE AFTER THE SECOND READING, IF THERE WAS A CHANGE AT THE SECOND, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL READING.
WELL, MR. REED'S GONNA LOOK INTO IT 'CAUSE IT'S BRAND NEW IN THE CHARTER.
AND HE'S GONNA LOOK AT IT AND HE'S GONNA, HE'S GONNA WORK ON IT AND MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CHANGE WAS RECOGNIZED SO WE DON'T MESS.
CAN, CAN ONE BE ACCEPTED WITHOUT THE OTHER? UH, YES.
THESE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE, UH, TWO SEPARATE.
TWO SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS. TWO SEPARATE.
I'M NOT PUTTING THESE TOGETHER.
THESE, THESE WILL BE SEPARATE.
MR. TOWNSEND, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY HEARTBURN OVER THE BIO MIXED USE? NO.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN IT.
'CAUSE THERE WASN'T NOTHING IN THE PACKET WHEN WE WERE READING.
JUST MY MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WOULD, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WOULD BE A LOT OF THE LARGE VACANT LANDS LIKE MRS. MERTZ OVER THERE ARE OUT THERE ALONG SECOND STREET IN THE BIO, OUT IN THAT AREA AND SOME ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
THERE'S EVEN SOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDE OF TOWN.
I REALIZE THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE IT AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BIO WITH, WITH IT, MR. MAYOR WITHOUT GETTING IN TROUBLE IN OPEN MEETINGS VIOLATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I AM OPEN TO ALL A COUNSEL IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO CALL ME AND ASK FOR EXPLANATIONS ON ANYTHING, I'M COMPLETELY AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES.
MAKE SURE, KEEP ME OUT OF OPEN MEETINGS, ACTS, VIOLATIONS PLEASE.
BUT, UH, I AIN'T OPEN BEING, THAT'S NOT AN OPEN MEETING VIOLATION.
THAT'S A WALKING, LET'S JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY
BUT UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS IT.
IT A JUST A BIT OF A WALKING QUORUM.
WE GOT IT'S MEETING OPEN VIBE.
ALL I AM AVAILABLE AT ANY TIME.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I HIT THIS GAVEL? SLAM IT? YEP.
WELL THEN I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THIS MEETING.