* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, [00:00:01] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I HAVE SIX [1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM] 30 ON MAY 13TH. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, MEETING TO ORDER. CAN WE GET A CERTIFICATION OF QUORUM, PLEASE? YES. BRUCE HENDERSON. HERE, MA'AM. MARJORIE MORGAN. DEBORAH FORTNER. HERE. JOHN HARRIS. PHILIP LIPOMA. HERE. WILLIAM BROWN. HERE WE HAVE CORRUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. FORTNER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE INVOCATION? SURE. AND, UH, WILL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE? SIR? I, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST, UM, WE JUST PRAISE YOUR NAME AND THANK YOU THAT YOU ARE, ARE ALWAYS WITH US, AND, AND WE ASK TONIGHT THAT YOU GUIDE US IN DECISION MAKING AND, UH, ESPECIALLY, UH, FOR DECISIONS THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE THANK YOU THAT WE'RE ABLE TO STAND HERE TODAY AND REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND THAT PEOPLE ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD PROTECTING THAT. RIGHT? WE ASK THIS IN YOUR PURCHASE NAME. AMEN. AMEN. THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES. AMERICA OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. NATION. NATION. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG PLEDGE. ALLEGIANCE. TEXAS. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PRACTICE THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT. TELL YOU'RE NOT A TRANSPLANT WITHOUT TELLING ME YOU'RE DOWN, . IT'S ALL GOOD. ALL GOOD. DIDN'T LEARN HOW. [3. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS] ALL RIGHT. UH, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, UH, WE'LL START WITH ITEM THREE, WHICH IS ANNOUNCEMENTS, PRESENTATIONS, BOARD COMMENTS. PHIL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? NO. THANKS. OKAY. WILL? NOPE, I GOT YOU IN MID YAWN. THAT HAPPENS. YEAH. MS. FORTNER? NO, I'M GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I DO HAVE ONE THING I WANT TO ADD AND I WANNA BRING IT UP TO THE BOARD AND TO TRAVIS AND EVERYBODY WITH MET WITH ABSOLUTE RESPECT. UH, HAVE WE SPOKE TO MARJORIE LATELY? UH, MARJORIE IS A, A VALUED MEMBER OF THE BOARD, AND I WANT HER TO CONTINUE TO BE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SHE'S BEEN VERY, VERY BUSY. AND I THINK AS WE'RE COMING INTO THE SUMMER, I DON'T THINK SHE'S GONNA GET ANY LESS BUSY. UM, AND AGAIN, NO, PART OF WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE, I'M TRYING TO PUSH HER OUT OR ANYTHING, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE AS MUCH SUPPORT AS WE CAN GET, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE, THE PROJECTS WE HAVE COMING UP. SO IF SOMEBODY COULD REACH OUT TO HER AND JUST KIND OF GET HER FEELING FOR HOW SHE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD, UH, IF, IF SHE'S TOO BUSY, ALL THE RESPECT AND LOVE IN THE WORLD TO HER, I UNDERSTAND IT CLEARLY. UM, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS THE POSITION OR, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST FIGURE IT OUT. ABSOLUTELY. JUST KIND OF A A POINT, LIKE I SAID, ALL THE RESPECT IN THE WORLD OF MS. MORGAN, I KNOW SHE WORKS HER BUTT OFF AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, AND THAT BEING SAID, SIR, WE'RE GONNA JUMP TO ITEM THREE B, YOUR UPDATE. FANTASTIC. I JUST GOT A COUPLE QUICK THINGS I'LL TOUCH ON. UH, SOMETHING APPLICABLE TO YOU, BRUCE. UH, I DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON OUR PLANNER POSITION. UH, I'VE POSTED IT PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES. SO WE FINALLY GOT A GOOD APPLICANT. UH, HIS NAME IS IAN, UH, AND HIS FIRST DAY IS GONNA BE THIS COMING MONDAY. UH, SO HE'S GOT A LOT OF JAZZ EXPERIENCE. WE'RE VERY EXCITED, UH, TO BRING HIM ON BOARD. HE'S GOT A LOT OF WHAT EXPERIENCE? GIS, THE, UH, GIS, THE MATH. MY GOODNESS. I HEARD JAZZ. I DID TOO. GOOD ANSWER. YOU KNOW, THAT COULD APPLY TO THE JOB AS WELL. . HE'S REALLY EXCITED TO SEE EVERYBODY. RIGHT. JAZZ HANDS. UH, AND ON THE TOPIC OF, UM, MEMBERSHIP TO THE BOARDS, UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH CITY SECRETARY AT THIS TIME, UH, TO REAPPOINT, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE MEMBERS TO ALL BOARDS. I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE WAS MAY OF 24, 19 68 . YEAH. BUT WE DID IT IN 24. UH, SO ORDINANCE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE APPOINTMENTS ARE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE COMING UP ON THAT RIGHT NOW. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE FOR THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL TO REAPPOINT OR APPOINT NEW MEMBERS. I THINK WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES ON THIS BOARD, TWO ALTERNATES, AND ONE, UH, WHO JUST NEVER CAME MM-HMM . UH, AND SO WE ARE LOOKING TO, TO FILL SOME BOARDS. SAY WE HAD AMY STICKY. IS THAT NO, THE ONE THAT'S NOT ON HERE WAS HER NAME. I MEAN, SHE'S BEEN OFF FOR OVER A YEAR. YEAH. STEPHANIE BROWN IS, IS WHO GOT APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD. UH, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE SHE EVER MADE A MEETING. DID SHE EVER COME TO A SINGLE MEETING? ? NO. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I REMEMBER ONE TIME WE HAD AMY, AND AGAIN, WHAT'S HER LAST NAME? AMY, YOU'RE RIGHT. STICK. YEAH, STICK. STICK. WELL, THEN SHE JUST UP AND DISAPPEARED. AND LAST I HEARD SHE WAS ON EDC, I THINK. YEAH. I THINK SHE WENT TO A DIFFERENT BOARD AND THEN I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS LEGALLY ALLOWED. UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, HOW THAT WORKED OUT. I THINK SHE MU SHE MUST HAVE GOTTEN APPOINTED AND APPROVED, UH, TO THAT BOARD. AND THEN STEPHANIE BROWN WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE [00:05:02] WELL, WE GOT LEFT HANGING. I AGREE. AND SO, UH, I AM WORKING TO FILL THAT. I I GOT VACANCIES ON OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BOARD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DOES SO VARIOUS VARIANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT'S PLANNING RELATED. SO, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. FANTASTIC. APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH ON THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK WE DO NEED TO, AND AGAIN, KIND OF BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT MS. MORGAN, LOVE HER TO DEATH. UH, WE, WE JUST NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN ON HERE. I NEED AS MANY CROSS-SECTIONAL IDEAS, YOU KNOW? YEAH. SO WE COME UP WITH THE BEST I IDEAS FOR EVERYTHING. YEP. SO TO THAT NOTE, WE ARE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR ALL CITY BOARDS, UH, THE APPLICATIONS AVAILABLE ON THE CITY WEBSITE. FANTASTIC. UH, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PERSONS YOU KNOW, THAT WANT TO BE CANDIDATES, BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE. UM, I THINK I GOT ONTO A BOARD BACK IN 2012, LONG TIME AGO, 11, 12, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING AND I THINK, UH, WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED IT. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE SITTING UP HERE, HERE AT SOME POINT TO JUST KIND OF EXPERIENCE WHAT THE, HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT DOESN'T WORK SOMETIMES TOO. SO. FANTASTIC. UH, TRAVIS, ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? THAT'S IT FOR ME. WELL, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, UH, DO WE HAVE A, CAN WE DO THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUTES, UH, BEFORE, ACTUALLY THAT'S, THAT'S AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS. SORRY. WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, SIR. YOU'RE RIGHT. I WAS FAST. RIGHT. TRAVIS. PROBLEM BEING AN OVERACHIEVER AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. NOW, NOW, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, THEY GAVE ME THE LIST AND WE HAVE NOBODY SIGNED UP. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM AGAIN, NOBODY, UH, OKAY. FANTASTIC. AND WITH THAT SAID, [5. CONSENT AGENDA] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSION MEMBER REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT, THE ITEMS WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA. THESE ARE THREE ITEMS OF MINUTES THAT ARE SITTING RIGHT HERE. UH, HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT 'EM? YEAH, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION. I SECOND. WILL'S GOT THE SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE END OF THE MEETING. OKAY. WE CAN GO NOW. JUST KIDDING. UH, OLD BUSINESS ITEM SIX. THERE IS NOTHING UNDER THAT AGENDA ITEM. SO [7. NEW BUSINESS] WE GO TO ITEM SEVEN, NEW BUSINESS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAP. SO WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR ACTIONS. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THE, WHERE ARE WE? EAST OR EAST? YEAH, WE, I BELIEVE, YES. MY, MY NOTES FROM LAST MEETING IS THAT WE ENDED AT CALIFORNIA NORTH OF FIVE 17. NORTH OF FIVE 17, CORRECT. THAT IS OUR CORNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR NOW, WHICH SHOULD BE MOSTLY PRETTY SIMPLE, I BELIEVE. UH, THAT LIGHT TAN AREA IN THE MIDDLE, THAT IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, OKAY. UM, IS THAT JUST EMPTY? I'M, I'M SORRY? THE AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED, IS THAT JUST EMPTY OR, OH, JUST TWO LOTS. OH, THERE ARE TWO LOTS. OKAY. IT IS TWO LOTS. OKAY. UM, BUT THEY'RE EMPTY LOTS, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, NO. UM, YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS A PRETTY NEW HOME THAT WAS BUILT RECENTLY AND UH HUH THIS IS A LARGE LOT THAT HAS A SMALL DEVELOPMENT ON IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WOULD, SIR, PLEASE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION, AND THIS KIND OF, THIS QUESTION DOVETAILS BACK TO 2017, UH, AS A RESULT OF HARVEY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ISN'T A LARGE SECTION OF THIS DOESN'T, ISN'T THERE SOME FEMA DESIGNATION THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BE TOTALLY OFF BASE. SO I, I DID TURN ON THE FEMA FLOOD HAZARD FILTER AT THIS TIME. AND SO THE FLOODWAY IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THIS RED AREA. MM-HMM . THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S UNABLE TO BE DEVELOPED IN A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS. YOU'RE REMOVED. UH, SO THIS AREA OF CALIFORNIA, THERE'S NOT, THERE'S SOME OF THAT UP IN THIS AREA. OKAY. WHAT'S THE, UH, THE DARK BLUE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS THERE ANY THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD BE WATER. THAT'S, THAT'S THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD POINT HUNDRED YEAR VERSUS 50 YEAR. GOT IT, GOT IT. 500. YES, SIR. INTERESTING. OKAY. IF YOU WOULD GO BACK. THERE YOU GO, SIR. UM, KNOWING THIS ENTIRE AREA PRETTY WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT I, LET'S SEE. [00:10:03] HMM. THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, 'CAUSE HONESTLY EVERY BIT OF THIS IS RESIDENTIAL EXCEPT FOR NOPE. THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS, ISN'T IT? THE BLUE AREA AT THE TOP THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS, CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, WHY CAN'T I COME WITH THE WORD ORDER? WITH A PLACE WHERE THEY GROW PLANTS? IT'S CALLED A NURSERY. NURSERY. THANK YOU, JIM. CRICKETS. YEAH. THERE'S A NURSERY UP THERE. UM, DO WE WANT TO IDENTIFY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ABOUT 50 TIMES, AND I ALWAYS FORGET BY THE TIME WE TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AREA, THE WATER DISTRICT AREAS, DID WE NOT DEFINE THOSE AS SOMETHING SO THAT WE, ANYBODY LOOKING AT OUR ZONING MAP WOULD KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THERE, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT. RIGHT. WE, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WE HAVE NOT, UH, NECESSARILY CREATED THE, AN OWNED ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT. MM-HMM . UH, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS, UH, ZONING CODE DID HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT CALLED DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE, UH, WHICH PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM . UM, OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE EVERYTHING BETWEEN BAKER AND OWENS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY, UH, I BELIEVE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CITY LIMITS. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY? YEAH. THAT, THAT AREA RIGHT THERE, I BELIEVE IS THE SCHOOL ALSO. IT IS. YEP. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT THAT IS NOT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. AND I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THE MAP AND GOING, OH, HEY LOOK, I CAN BUILD THERE. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S A GIANT SCHOOL THERE THAT COMES A DEAD GIVEAWAY. YEAH. THIS MAY BE A, A POINT OF INTEREST. UH, WE DO HAVE A FILTER FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE AN IMPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. UH, SO WHEN I TURN THOSE ON, THAT DOES SHOW THAT ALL THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY DOES HAVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO BE A SCHOOL. PERFECT. PERFECT. AND IF YOU'D BE SO KIND TO LEAVE THAT ON WHILE I'M STARING AT THIS FOR A SECOND. ABSOLUTELY. IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA, RIGHT DOWN HERE TO THE LOWER LEFT. THIS ONE, WHAT IS THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S RIGHT WHERE THE, UH, THEY'VE GOT THE, THE BIG PARKING LOT WHERE HE USED TO DO BOAT REPAIRS. CORRECT. SO, UH, HE'S GOT THE FOOD SERVICE SHOP. YEP. THAT'S WHERE THE OKAY. SO IT'S A SPECIFIC USE. IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOL RIGHT THERE. FAIR. YEAH. THIS IS A FILTER FOR ALL SPECIFIC USES. SO CHURCHES MM-HMM . UH, I THINK THEY USED TO DO A LOT OF 'EM FOR RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, HIGHER INTENSITY USES LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND THE LIGHT BROWN, THAT'S, UH, MULTIFAMILY. THAT'S THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT? CORRECT. OKAY. WHICH, THOSE ARE ALL APARTMENTS THROUGH THERE, OR QUITE A FEW APARTMENTS I SHOULD SAY. RIGHT? UH, THERE IS RIGHT THERE AT BRIAR HOLLOW. WHAT IS THAT ORANGE? IT'S A SMALL GAS STATION. YEAH. IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? UH, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL. SMALL SCALE. OKAY. VERY SIMILAR DISTRICT. YEP. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THAT SHOULD BE. MM. OKAY. I MEAN, SO FAR I'M, I'M SEEING EVERYTHING'S PRETTY ACCURATE. SEEMS TO BE, UH, IF YOU WOULD, LET'S SEE, WHAT DO, YEAH, THESE ARE, UM, THOSE ARE APARTMENTS TOO. PARTS TOO, RIGHT? OKAY. WHAT'S THE GREEN TO THE RIGHT AGAIN? UH, SO THIS IS MIXED USE. UH, THIS IS LARGELY, THIS AREA IS AN EDC OWNED PROPERTY. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE HEARD OF THE BAYOU VILLAGE, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT THE EDC IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER ON. UH, BUT THAT IS WHAT THIS AREA IS SLATED FOR. I BELIEVE SOME OF THESE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. IS MIXED USE IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT? IT, IT IS NOT, NO. A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, IT'S ITS OWN ZONING DISTRICT AND EACH ONE IS TAILORED TO EACH ONE IS ITS OWN ZONING CODE, ESSENTIALLY. AND BY THE WAY, I APOLOGIZE, TRAVIS, I KNOW EVERY QUESTION I'VE JUST ASKED YOU, I'VE ASKED ABOUT 10 TIMES, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'VE FORGOTTEN EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S ALRIGHT. SO THIS AREA THAT THE EDC IS WORKING ON, IT ISN'T THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREA. UM, IT, IT IS NOT. UM, IT IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY, WE COULD CALL IT A MASTER PLANNED, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY. IT IS GONNA BE MIXED USE AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME RETAIL AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL. AND I THINK, UH, SPORTS FIELDS ARE, UH, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. UH, BUT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR AND P AND Z, UH, FOR ULTIMATE APPROVAL IS THIS ENTIRE GREEN AREA HERE TO THE RIGHT. OWNED BY THE EDC. I THINK THERE'S, [00:15:01] I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT. THERE'S LIKE ONE SMALL PARCEL THAT THEY DON'T OWN. I BELIEVE THEY DON'T OWN THE BY, THEY DON'T OWN THE BY, THEY DON'T OWN THIS, OWN THIS SMALL PROPERTY HERE OR THIS ONE HERE, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. SO, SO WAIT, ALL THE REST OF THIS IS EDC. WHY WOULD THEY NOT PUT IT AS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT? UH, SO THE REASON YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD WANT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS IF YOU ARE WANTING TO, IF A PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT MEET WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR ZONING CODE ALREADY. UH, 'CAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS YOU ARE CREATING AND TAILORING A ZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND SO ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES IN THIS MIXED USE AREA, UH, WILL HAVE TO GO BY THE STANDARDS WE HAVE IN THE MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT. WOULD YOU INTERESTING. PLEASE PULL THAT, UH, THAT LITTLE GRAPH, WHAT ALL YOU CAN DO IN THERE. 'CAUSE YEAH, I'M, AND FORGIVE ME, MY, MY MEMORY IS TERRIBLE AS FAR AS WHAT ALL CAN WE DO THERE. ABSOLUTELY. UM, AND SO THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA REVIEW ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THE ZONING MAP ITSELF IS THE PERMITTED USES IN EACH ZONING DISTRICT. UH, BUT NOW THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, UH, PERMITTED. A MIXED USE IS, IS PRI PRIMARILY MULTIFAMILY, UH, LIVE WORK UNIT, MULTIPLEX TOWN HOME APARTMENT IS UPPER STORY RESIDENTIAL. AND YOU GET TO THE COMMERCIAL USES COMMUNITY CENTERS, UTILITIES ARE PERMITTED, UH, BARS ARE PERMITTED. THIS IS OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AMPHI THEATERS, SOME RETAIL, UH, RESTAURANTS. HM. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. ALL RIGHT. UM HMM. I DON'T THINK I'M OKAY WITH THIS. YEAH. WHAT'S THE ADVANT? I'M STILL TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED USE, PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITHOUT A PLAN. . I DON'T, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND TRAVIS, CORRECT ME PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, LOOK, WE HAVE BOUGHT THIS BIG CHUNK OF PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE AND WE HAVE A PLAN AND IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF SOME RESIDENTIAL, SOME COMMERCIAL, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WHICH IS WHAT, THAT'S ALL PER THE PLAN. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S JUST WHAT I HEARD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO. SO I'M CONFUSED THAT, THAT ON THAT GREEN AREA MM-HMM . OKAY. YES. I MEAN THEY HAVE PLANS FOR THAT, THE WHOLE AREA. CORRECT. CORRECT. IT, THE WHOLE AREA WILL BE DEVELOPED. OKAY. UH, SO, BUT IT'S NOT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOTAND, THE PLANNED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS SOMEBODY COMES AND SAYS, HERE IS THE PLAN, WILL YOU PLEASE APPROVE IT? SO THAT THIS ENTIRE AREA HAS A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT ZONINGS BY MY CHOICE. BECAUSE MY PLAN, THE MIXED USE IS WE GOT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH IT, BUT WE WANT THE OPTION TO DO A BUNCH OF THINGS. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T. BECAUSE IF YOU OWN THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND IF YOU HAVE IN MIND EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, WHICH IS WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY THEY DO MM-HMM . DO THEY? YES. I MEAN, NO OFFENSE, BUT DO THEY YES. NO, THEY SAID IT. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT IT IS? I, I'VE SEEN PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS, BUT I I WOULD NOT SAY THERE'S A FINALIZED CONCEPT. UH, BUT PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND, AND A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS DE DEVELOPED ALONG THE LINES OF THE EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATION, UH, IS JUST THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING DEVELOPMENT THAT FITS WITHIN THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THAT THAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE. UM MM-HMM . FOR EXAMPLE, THE HUGHES LANDING DEVELOPMENT ON HUGHES ROAD IS ONLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT IS ALSO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THE REASON HE ASKED FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, IS, IS, UH, BASED ON LOT SIZE HE WANTED OH, I SEE. SMALLER LOTS THAN, THAN PERMITTED MM-HMM . RATHER THAN GOING FOR A VARIANCE FOR EACH LOT OR FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, THEY WRAPPED IT INTO A, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, A PD. I SEE. OKAY. THAT, THANK YOU. AND SO IT CAN ALLOW FOR VARIANCES, IT CAN ALLOW FOR DIFFERENT USES THAT YOU CAN SET, YOU KNOW, ONLY SPECIFIC USES ARE ALLOWED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. UH, WHICH, WHICH MAY BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE OVERLAYING ZONING DISTRICT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MAP FOR ONE SECOND PLEASE? SURE. SO, UH, MY QUESTION TO YOU, TRAVIS, CURRENTLY, THIS IS GREEN. PEOPLE PREVIOUS TO US IDENTIFIED THIS [00:20:01] AS A MIXED USE. OKAY. IT'S ALL OWNED BY OUR COUNTERPARTS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. MM-HMM . WE ARE NOT PRIVY. AND I'M GONNA SAY WE, THE COUNCIL, THIS COMMITTEE ARE NOT PRIVY TO WHATEVER THOSE PLANS ARE. UNDERSTOOD. NOR HAVE THEY COMMUNICATED IT TO US. NOW, I DO NOT WANNA BE A THORN IN THEIR SIDE NOR CREATE PROBLEMS FOR THEM. BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US. AND AS I LOOK AT THIS AND I SEE WHAT, BASED ON MIXED USE, IT'S A VERY LIMITING WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT PUT IN THERE. MM-HMM . AND I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT. WE ARE SITTING HERE USING THE TOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO US TO MAKE THE DETERMINATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE. AND I WOULD SIT HERE AND I WOULD SAY WITH WHAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME AND COMMUNICATED TO ME, EXCLUDING YOU, THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A, A MIXED USE LOCATION FOR ME. I SEE THAT AS A WHOLE BUNCH OF, UH, COMMERCIAL WITH RESIDENTIAL ON THE BACKSIDES. UM, WELL, THAT IS KIND OF MIXED USE, ISN'T IT? WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED? WELL, NO, BUT LIKE RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE, THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL WITH THE COMMERCIAL FRONT. THAT'S NOT MIXED USE. THAT'S ALL THE FRONTAGE THAT'S ON FIVE 17 SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL, IN MY OPINION. EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT FRONTING FIVE 17. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT THIS IS, UH, THIS IS GUM BY YOU RIGHT HERE. AND I THINK IF YOU PULL UP THAT FLOOD MAP AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF THIS THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ON ANYWAY. UH, NOT TO MENTION THERE'S SOME FANCY LITTLE RATTLESNAKE DOWN IN THERE TOO THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING AROUND. OKAY. WELL, IT'S NOT AS BIG AS I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT IT IS A PORTION. RIGHT. I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I KEPT HAMMERING AT THE PLANNED USE. BECAUSE IF, IF THEY OWN THE WHOLE PROPERTY, THEY PLAN TO KEEP, UH, UH, STRONG HOLD OF IT AND DEVELOP IT ACCORDING TO THEIR DESIRES AND IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD WANT TO PLAN IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CON CONTROL LIKE THAT. YEAH. I, I GUESS THE, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THEY ARE GOING TO PLAN IT BUT PLAN IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT. THE CURRENT ONE. THE PLANNED, THE MIXED USE. THE MIXED USE, I'M SORRY, MIXED USE. SEE, WE'RE WE'RE TOLD, BUT AGAIN, WHO TOLD 'EM THAT? RIGHT, RIGHT. WHEN I MEAN, WAS IT LIKE THREE ADMINISTRATIONS AGO AND THAT PLAN'S BEEN OUT THE WINDOW? 'CAUSE I WOULD BE CURIOUS, PULL BACK UP. WHEN DID THEY PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY? UH, 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN ABOUT 15 ITERATIONS OF GREAT IDEAS COME THROUGH EDC WHILE MILLIONS ARE BEING SPENT BUYING LAND THAT NEVER WENT TO ANY FRUITION. OH, SORRY ABOUT ALL THAT. NO WORRIES. DO THIS ALL DAY LONG. , YOU'RE PRETTY FAST. I KNOW, IT'S IMPRESSIVE, ISN'T IT? HE DOES PAT, UH, SO 2023, SEPTEMBER, 2023 IS WHEN? THIS THREE YEARS AGO. MM-HMM . SO IN THREE YEARS, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THREE YEARS. SO, WELL, THE, THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE WE'RE CHARGED WITH CHANGING THE, THE ZONING MAP . AND SO IF, IF IT'S, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE CURRENT DEAL, SEEMS LIKE I'M WITH YOU, THEY SHOULD HAVE COMMUNICATED WHY THAT WORKS FOR THEM. AS WE'RE SITTING HERE DOING OUR TASK, MS. FORTNER, I'M GOING TO KIND OF REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID RIGHT THERE AS, AS KIND OF THE GRAND POO AT THE FRONT OF THE TABLE HERE, I GUESS IS ME AND I WILL ASK ALL THE MEMBERS HERE TO IDENTIFY THIS MATERIAL, THIS PROPERTY, AND MAKE OUR DETERMINATIONS. IF EDC DOESN'T LIKE IT AND THE COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE IT, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTE RIGHTS TO IT, READJUST IT AT ANY GIVEN POINT, UH, I WOULD NATURALLY ASSUME THAT THE COUNCIL PROBABLY HAS, ARE PRIVY TO MORE INFORMATION THAN WE ARE. AND TRAVIS, THAT IS ONE ITEM THAT, YOU KNOW, UPON PRESENTATION AND EVEN WITH WITH CHASE AND EVERYBODY, HEY, OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH WITH, WITH LIMITED INFORMATION, THIS WAS OUR DETERMINATION. IF THEY KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT DOES NOT HURT OUR FEELINGS IF THEY WANT TO ADJUST IT BACK. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. EVERYBODY AGREE. BUT I WOULD, I PERSONALLY WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. I'LL SEE WHAT YOU GUYS' RESPONSE ARE THAT [00:25:01] EVERYTHING THAT'S FRONTING FIVE 17, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BECOME BRIGHT RED AND EVERYTHING BEHIND IT. UH, JUST GENERAL COMMERCIAL, OR EXCUSE ME, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR WHATEVER WE CALL THAT NOW, WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO, WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUE WE HAD, UH, DAMAGE THE GIANT LOT, CORRECT? YEAH. AND YOU CAN'T SPLIT IT. NO, BUT LET'S, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT. LET'S CALL THE WHOLE THING. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GIANT LOT OF NOTHING. AND IT IS ADJACENT TO, AND I'M GONNA KIND OF GO OUT ON A LIMB, IT'S NOT MINE TO BE THE DEVELOPER HERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A FANTASTIC LOT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DEVELOP SOMETHING ALONG GUM BAYOU THAT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME ACCESS TO IT. YOU KNOW, RES COMMERCIALLY, THAT'S NOT A BAD PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT THERE ALL THE WAY FROM THE GUM BAYOU AND THE FIVE 17 FACING 32 ACRES, THEY DON'T OWN THE BAYOU. MAY I POINT THAT OUT AGAIN? RIGHT. THEY OWN TO THE WATER EDGE. WELL, YEAH, YOU CAN'T BUILD IN THE, UH, THE FLOOD ZONE. UH, HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? DOES IT SAY 32? IT'S 32 ACRES, CORRECT. 32. THAT'S A NICE CHUNK. BUT, YOU KNOW, CALL IT ALL COMMERCIAL BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. WOULD IT BE, HAS ANYBODY, COULD SOMEBODY COME TO OUR GROUP FROM THE EDC AND TALK, TALK TO US WITH REGARD TO THAT? WILL THAT MATTER? I MEAN, THEY COULD, BUT I REALLY WANNA FINISH THIS THING, BUT KIND OF ALSO, JUST AS I WAS SAYING WITH TRAVIS, I THINK EVERYBODY, NOBODY HERE IS GONNA GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT. IF TRAVIS DOES PRESENT THIS TO EDC AND SAY, HEY, HEADS UP PNZ CHANGED IT TO THIS WITH LIMITED INFORMATION. AND IF EDC SAYS, OH MAN, WE HAD BIG PLANS FOR IT. OKAY, COOL. JUST TELL THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL COULD CHANGE EVERY SINGLE THING WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS. THEY CAN MAKE WHATEVER THEY WANT OUT OF ALL OF IT. RIGHT. I, I MEAN, I, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH EDC DIRECTOR ABOUT THE, THE CURRENT ZONING. UH, HE DOES, YOU KNOW, THINK THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD FIT HIS DEVELOPMENT. IF WE RE REZONE IT ALL COMMERCIAL, THERE'S GONNA BE NO, UM, PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL USES. AUTOCENTRIC HAS, HAS NONE. AND SO THE, THE CURRENT PLAN, WHICH IS, UH, IT'S MOVING ALONG VERY QUICKLY, UH, DOES HAVE A LARGE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ON FIVE AND 17. UH, PART OF IT, YES. ON OH, THAT MAKES SENSE. THE CLOSER SIDE TO THE BAYOU. I MEAN, SOME OF THE FRONTAGE, UH, I BELIEVE WILL BE RETAIL. MM-HMM . SO IT'S, WHICH MEANS IT'S GONNA BE A, A MIXED ZONE. YEAH. SEE, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. UH, I, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KEEP OUR COMMERCIAL. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF YEAH. COMMERCIAL SPACE. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT. I MEAN, WE NEED THE TAX. WE NEED THE TAX. LIKE, LIKE I'VE SEEN MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST, WE'LL JUST SAY, MANY YEARS, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS THAT 10 YEARS GOES BY AND THEY'RE STILL GREAT IDEAS. AND SO IN THE NAME OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE ON IT, WE HAVE A TASK. AND THAT IS TO ZONE THIS ENTIRE CITY. I ASK THIS BOARD TO MAKE YOUR DETERMINATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY. CAN WE ZONE IT THE WAY, UM, WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT? CAN WE ZONE THE FRONT OF, UH, CAN'T SPLIT IT? YEAH. NOT, NOT WHEN IT'S A SINGLE CARS CAN'T SPLIT A LOT AS I MAKE THE WHOLE THING BIG COMMERCIAL. UH, THAT MAKES NO SENSE. WELL, AGAIN, WITH ALL THIS FACING GUN BAYOU AND ALL THIS FACING FIVE 17, THAT'S 32 ACRES, WHICH FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE, IF I WANTED TO BUILD A RESTAURANT, IF I WANTED TO BUILD, OH HELL, I'M JUST GOING PIE IN THE SKY. IF I WANTED TO BUILD AN EVENT CENTER, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE BEST LOTS IN THE ENTIRE CITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT NO PLACE ELSE IN OUR CITY, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S 32 ACRES OF POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND A LOT OF THE STUFF I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND WITH THAT AREA, NOT ONLY IS IT CLOSE TO COME BAYOU, WHICH HAS THE, THE FLOOD PLAIN, NOT TO MENTION IT'S IN A 50 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. ALL THE DIFFERENT FLOODING CONCERNS THAT ARE THERE, UH, SHORT OF BRINGING IT UP MANY FEET OR PUTTING A BUNCH OF ELEVATED HOMES IN THERE, THAT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT PLACE TO BUILD HOUSING. NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S JUST DIFFICULT AT THE CURRENT ZONING. THEY CAN'T PUT RESIDENTIAL. THEY CAN PUT MULTIFAMILIES. YOU CAN PUT MULTIFAMILIES, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT HOUSES. CORRECT. THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME. I MEAN, IS THIS, BACK TO WHEN WE STARTED THIS, THE, THE QUESTION MARK FROM A PREVIOUS [00:30:01] ADMINISTRATION THAT WANTED TO INCREASE OUR DENSITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I'M NOT TRYING TO POKE THE BEAR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, JUST SAYING, I, I KNOW WHAT THE, THE PLAN WAS BEFORE MM-HMM . I KNOW THE PLAN HAS ADJUSTED AND I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS ONE HERE, TRAVIS, YOU'VE BEEN TALKING WITH 'EM MORE, BUT, UH, I AGREE. I'D RATHER HAVE IT ALL COMMERCIAL THAN HAVE MORE APARTMENTS ON THE EAST SIDE FOR GOODNESS SAKES. YOU KNOW, JUST THROW 'EM OVER THERE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR AT ALL. SO BACK TO THE MAP, SIR. COULD I PROPOSE, UH, MAYBE SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION? WE DO HAVE A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING ON TUESDAY OF THIS COMING WEEK. I DO HAVE ONLY ONE ITEM ON THERE AS A PLAT WAIVER. IT SHOULD BE A VERY SHORT, UH, ITEM. UH, AND THERE SHOULD BE MORE TIME FOR UDC DISCUSSION AFTER THAT. IF Y'ALL ARE WILLING, UH, I COULD CERTAINLY DISCUSS WITH EDC DIRECTOR AND SEE IF YOU COULD AT LEAST PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION OR, OR COME TO THAT MEETING, UH, TO DISCUSS. I, I'M PICKING UP WHAT YOU'RE LAYING DOWN. YEAH. BUT I'M ALSO SAYING NOT TO DIMINISH OUR VALUE BY ANY MEANS. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. WE CAN SAY ANYTHING WE WANT AND EDC AND YOU CAN TALK TO 'EM AFTER THE FACT. 'CAUSE I'LL BE HONEST, I HAVE A, A PERSONAL INTEREST THAT I WANNA SEE US HIGH FIVE EACH OTHER AND WALK OUTTA HERE SAYING WE'VE DONE OUR JOB. AND THEN WE HAND IT BACK TO YOU AND IT GOES TO, TO COUNSEL THIS BEING, PUT A FRICKING PIN IN IT AS A POINT OF INTEREST AND CONTENTION POTENTIALLY. AND AGAIN, IF EDC GOES, OH MAN, THEY MISSED THE MARK. NO, I HAVE A BIG PLAN FOR THIS. AND HIS BIG PLAN IS APPROVED OR AGREED BY COUNCIL. THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA ON HIS PART. HE'S JUST ANOTHER COMMITTEE LIKE WE ARE. RIGHT. IF COUNCIL LIKES HIS IDEA BETTER THAN OUR IDEA, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO EITHER DIRECTION AND THAT'S IT. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I, I TOTALLY AGREE. PHILLIP, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT IS THE ZONE AS NOW? WHAT IS IT? IT'S MIXED USE. SO THEY CAN PUT A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS RIGHT ON FIVE 17 ACROSS FROM ALL THE OTHER BUNCH OF APARTMENTS. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT URBAN TRANSITION? WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? UH, THAT'S MULTIFAMILY AND, AND WE CHANGED THAT, I BELIEVE, TO ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THERE ALSO. MM-HMM . I, I, I, I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU SAID WITH REGARD TO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BEING ALL COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES AVAILABLE IN ALL OF OUR CITY THAT COULD DO THE ONLY PLACE ALL THOSE THINGS. AND, AND PART OF THE NEW PEOPLE THAT JUST CAME IN ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT DOING THINGS ON THE BAYOU AND HAVING THINGS CLOSE TO THE, AND PROMOTING RESTAURANTS AND ALL OF THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD OFFER THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT BY ZONING. I AM VERY INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU, MA'AM. I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT OPPORTUNITY IS THERE AND, AND WILL BE THERE. THERE'S, IT IS VERY LIKELY, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA BE REPLANTED AND PARCELED UP IN, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND DURING THAT PROCESS, IT'S, IT'S LIKELY THAT THEY COULD GO FOR ZONING CHANGES, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . DURING THAT PROCESS TOO. SURE. UH, THE, THE ONLY THING I I AM CAUTIOUS ABOUT IS, IS I KNOW THAT THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER FOR THIS ARE, ARE VERY FAR ALONG TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE PRESENTING FINAL CONTRACT FOR SIGNATURES TO BOARD, UH, EITHER THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK, UH, REALLY THAT SOON. WHY, WHY WOULD THAT NEVER HAVE COME TO US IN A PLANNING AND ZONING CAPACITY? 'CAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ZONED TO WHAT IT WAS. YEAH. IF, IF IT MEETS THE ZONING CRITERIA, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT. AND THIS IS AGREEMENT BETWEEN EDC AND, AND THE DEVELOPER. THIS IS NOT ANY TYPE OF PLOT OR DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS. I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. YEAH. OKAY. THAT TRAVIS, I'M, I'M, I RESPECT IT AND I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOU GUYS' TIME, BUT IT'S STILL, THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION AND NO DOUBT. I I REALLY HOPE IN TWO WEEKS TIME, I I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TWO WEEKS TIMES OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, TWO WEEKS. RIGHT. GET IT DONE. NO PROBLEM. AND MANY THINGS, I MEAN, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BUILD WATER STREET OUT JUST TWO WEEKS AGO. YEAH. IT'S A NICE PARKING GARAGE. SO SORRY TO BE DIFFICULT AND, UH, PESSIMISTIC, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND, I I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT LOT, EVERY LOT THAT FACES FIVE 17 OR GUN BY YOU FIVE 17 IS COMMERCIAL AND EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU, MAKE SURE THERE'S A PIN IN THAT TO, TO HAVE COUNSEL BE VERY AWARE OF THIS SPECIFIC LOT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I'M GONNA NOT GONNA BE REMISS BECAUSE WE LET SOMETHING PASS. IS PHIL, DO YOU HAVE, UH, THOUGHTS ON THAT RECOMMENDATION, SIR? NO, I THINK THE IDEA OF COMMERCIAL ALL [00:35:01] ALONG FIVE 17 IS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. I DO TOO. OKAY. MS. FORTNER? NO, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY THERE HAVING LIVED, LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR, SINCE 1993. MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, I'M OBVIOUSLY HAVE VESTED INTEREST, BUT, UH, BUT I, I BELIEVE IT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, THE EAST SIDE NEEDS THE COMMERCIAL MM-HMM . UH, AND AS FAR AS MORE APARTMENTS, WE, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A NEED. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE'S SOME BIG SUBDIVISIONS GOING IN TO SOUTH OF THE CITY IN TEXAS CITY THAT WOULD, UH, YOU BET. COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY OR YOU BET. MM-HMM. THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO POPULATE THE, THE, UH, COMMERCIAL WILL COMMENTS, THE COMMERCIAL FALLS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE ALL THE WAY DOWN FIVE 17. IT'S ON TRACK. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME RATIONALE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THAT IS OUR, OUR DECISION. AND AGAIN, WITH ALL RESPECT TO OTHER, UH, COMMITTEES AND THE COUNCIL, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A PIN IN THIS TO BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION. I THINK THAT'S HONESTLY PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY BIG TICKET ITEMS IN THE CITY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS THAT I THINK FALL IN THAT CATEGORY. OKAY. SO FOR CLARITY, UH, YOU SAY ALL FRONT. ALL LOTS. THAT FRONT FIVE 17. UH, SO THIS, DO Y'ALL WANT TO, THIS BASICALLY GONNA BE THIS LARGE ONE? YEP. Y'ALL WANT TO KEEP AS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL NEGATIVE? THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL. EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, UH, FRONTS FM FIVE 17 SHOULD BE RED SINCE YOU CAN'T SPLIT IT. YEAH. IF YOU COULD SPLIT IT THAT ONE TOO, WE WOULD SPLIT IT. BUT SINCE YOU THAT ONE THERE AND THAT ONE AND THAT ONE. OKAY. I BELIEVE THOSE ARE TWO OWNED AND THERE'S HOMES ON THEM, BUT THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN THESE BACK HERE ARE WHAT YOU WANT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. YES, SIR. OKAY, COOL. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A QUE I SEE RAY HOLBROOK PARK RIGHT THERE. AND THEN AT THE END OF THIS CHECKERBOARD, THAT VERY LARGE LOT RIGHT THERE. I'M TRYING MY HEAD TO PICTURE WHAT THAT IS AND OH, HELLS MILLS, WHAT IS IT? I BELIEVE THAT, I BELIEVE THAT'S UNDER DRAINAGE. HMM. IT IS NOT A DRAINAGE. I THINK THIS IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT. UM MM-HMM . THAT'S OVERLAND TRAIL THAT, OH, COME ON. FROZE UP. I GOT YOU ALL OVER THE MAP NOW, HUH? YEAH, IT LOCKED UP ON ME. TRY A NEW ONE. YEAH. LARGELY UNDEVELOPED. DOES HAVE A LITTLE WATERWAY THAT CUTS THROUGH IT. IT'S UNDEVELOPED. CORRECT. WHO'S IT OWNED BY? DIAMOND HEART. LLC. HOW INTERESTING. UH, IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD CONS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD? NOT, UH, CONSERVATION. IS THAT THE WORD WE USE FOR IT NOW? I, I BELIEVE SO. WHERE IT HAS TO BE BUILT OUT COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S AROUND IT. YES, SIR. THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S UH, NOT THE OLD GOLF COURSE, IS IT? MM-HMM. NO, THE GOLF COURSE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FOUR, UH, FIVE 17 WHERE THE COUNTRY CLUB WAS NO, NO, NO, NO. THE THE LITTLE GOLF COURSE IN GREEN. OH, THAT'S, UH, NO, THAT'S UP HERE TO THE LEFT. THAT'S, UH, GREEN. KAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S OVER HERE. YEAH. GREEN KAY IS OUTTA CITY LIMITS. OH, CAROLINE. IN FACT, IT'S NOT IN OUR CITY LIMITS. RIGHT, RIGHT. OVER HERE. IT'S OVER IN THE BLUE. SEE IT UP HERE. BETWEEN 20TH CAROLINE, THAT TRIANGLE RIGHT THERE. [00:40:01] THAT'S ALL TEXAS CITY. ODDLY ENOUGH. PARDON ME. IT WAS KIND OF HURTFUL WHEN I REALIZED THAT OUR CITY ACTUALLY HAS TEXAS CITY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT. MM-HMM . IT WAS ALL EXTENDED TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION THAT, UH, WE JUST GAVE UP 20 YEARS AGO, AND HAD GOT OFFERED IT BY TEXAS CITY ALL THE WAY TO 1 46. EVERYTHING NORTH OF THE BAYOU COUNCIL'S PASS DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT THE HASSLE. NOT SOMETHING. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO BE LONG SIGHTED. SHORTSIGHTED. YEAH. SO, UH, SO THAT, UH, THE LIGHT GREEN, IS THAT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR IS THAT, UH, THE MIXED USE? NO, THE, THE LIGHT GREEN. I SAID LIGHT GREEN. I MEANT LIGHT YELLOW. I'M SORRY. OH, UH, THAT IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. YES. . ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO WITH THE MEDIUM YELLOW. I FEEL LIKE I'M COLORBLIND ALL OF A SUDDEN. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IS THE DARKER YELLOW. OKAY. SO THAT THOSE BIG LOTS, EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ALL THAT, THAT'S ALL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YES SIR. PRETTY SOLID. NOTHING CHANGED THERE. UH, AND WHY ARE THESE DESIGNATED ELSEWHERE? THE LIGHTER ONES? THEY'RE, UH, UNDEVELOPED. THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A GOOD QUESTION. WHY AREN'T THEY, OF COURSE, GAN WHY AREN'T THE OTHER ONES ADJACENT TO THEM? ALSO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, LIKE RIGHT WHERE YOUR CURSOR IS. RIGHT. ONE NORTH OF IT. THE NEXT ONE NORTH OF IT. WHY AREN'T THOSE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL TO BUILD OUT? 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO COMPARE 'EM TO. I MEAN, IF WE WERE USING THOSE AS A LOTS COMPARED TO EVERYTHING THAT'S TO THE WEST OF CALIFORNIA. WELL, WHAT IN THE BLUE? THAT'S, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT RV PARK? ? IT'S THE MANUFACTURED HOME PARK. OH, SO AGAIN, WHAT IS THE LIGHTER YELLOW. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. THEY CAN BUILD ANYTHING THEY WANT ON THAT. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE IT'S IN BETWEEN THE, UH, MANUFACTURED HOMES. THAT'S WHY IT'S, YEP. OKAY. AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT WAY AS WELL. WHERE'S THE OTHER LITTLE THAT SCROLL DOWN, SIR? THIS ONE HERE, ARE THOSE, WHAT ARE THOSE? NO ONE'S NOT REALLY. IT'S NOT, THOSE ARE HOMES. YEAH. SO THOSE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, WELL, THEY'RE BIG PIECES OF PROPERTY THOUGH. SEE THAT? SO I GUESS FOR CONTEXT, IF, IF Y'ALL WANNA LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS AND WHAT YOU COULD, AH, THAT'S, THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S NOT OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE FOR WHATEVER REASON. ALWAYS. IT GIVES US A 180 STREET VIEW, SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO TURN AROUND. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, THAT'S ACTUALLY FURTHER UP. SO, UH, SO WHAT I WAS GONNA SHOW IS THE REGULATIONS IN THAT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS OF, OF HOW SMALL THEY COULD DIVVY UP THAT PARCEL. RIGHT? UH, SO IT, IT GIVES FEW OPTIONS DEPENDING ON THE USE. IT, IT WOULD ALLOW, YOU KNOW, AS SMALL AS A 3,600 SQUARE FOOT LOT FOR A DUPLEX 72 FEET WIDE. OR IF IT'S A INFILL OR CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, THEY COULD BE 50 FEET WIDE. DOES THAT NOT SEEM A LITTLE ODD TO YOU THAT FOR A CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME YOU HAVE TO HAVE 5,500 SQUARE FEET? BUT IF YOU WANNA PUT MORE PEOPLE IN THAT HOME, YOU CAN HAVE A SMALLER LOT. JUST QUESTION OF, SEEMS A LITTLE CONFLICTING. UNDERSTOOD. I GUESS THE CONCEPT IS THAT, UH, DUPLEX PEOPLE DON'T WANNA MOW LAWNS, , THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE GRASS, THAT'S FOR SURE. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A HILL I'M WILLING TO DIE ON JUST YET. I'M WONDERING IF IT'S GOING WITH THE CONCEPT OF CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME NEEDS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LAND ON IT SO THAT IT MAINTAINS ITS VALUE, WHEREAS A DUPLEX IS GONNA BE PROBABLY A GOOD 80% OF THE TIME IT'S GONNA END UP BEING A RENTAL IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE, TRAVIS? IS THERE LOGIC [00:45:01] TO THAT? YEAH, THERE IS SOME LOGIC TO THAT. I WOULD AGREE. OKAY. UH, SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT NOW? UH, SO THOSE TWO, SORRY, GO AHEAD. TRYING TO FIGURE THOSE OUT. UH, THEY REALLY CAN'T CONFORM TO THE THINGS AROUND THEM, SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ZONED THAT WAY. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YEAH. SO SAVE THIS 51 0 7 WAS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. WHEN THEY GO TO SUBDIVIDE THAT LOT, WE WOULD LOOK AT, WELL, WHAT ARE THE EXISTING LOTS ON THE BLOCK FACE? UH, SO THAT WOULD BE FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT. RIGHT. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THREE LOTS. THEY'RE ALL VERY DIFFERENT SHAPES, VERY DIFFERENT SIZES. SO ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, SIR, PLEASE. OKAY. STOP. LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH. OH, JUST, JUST, RIGHT. UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT LIKE 34TH DOWN TO SAY 39TH. THAT'S A QUITE THE ORIGAMI OF SQUARES RIGHT THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, GOING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT HERE. WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY HEAD? IS IT, IT JUST SEEMS IMPRACTICAL. NOW GRANTED, THESE ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE NOT CHANGING, BUT IF IT WERE, AND I WANTED TO BUY THE LOT AT THE CORNER OF CALIFORNIA AND 34TH, THAT, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZED LOT. WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU SAY THAT'S PROBABLY ACRE, ACRE AND A HALF? 4.20, MISSED IT BY A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. FOUR ACRES, MAN, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF ON THAT FOUR ACRES, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL FALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR RULES, BUT WE HAVE IT AS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND THEREFORE THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, WE'RE, WE'RE FIGHTING THE HISTORY OF DICKINSON, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO RESPECT IT AND CHANGE IT TOO. I THOUGHT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ALLOWED YOU AT THE, UH, I ALWAYS GET CONFUSED BETWEEN THEM IN GENERAL. YEAH. NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IS THE ONE THAT, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY SIZE, IT, IT GOES BY THE AVERAGE OR THE BLOCK FACE WOULD EXIST. OKAY. OKAY. THERE'S GENERAL GOES JUST AND THE WHATEVER THE RULES ARE. YEAH. CORRECT. YEAH. UM, SO THAT SHOULD BE THE OTHER THEN. AND SCROLL UP, WHAT'S THE NEXT BLOCK UP ABOVE 32ND. OKAY. SO THAT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT THERE AT THE, RIGHT AT BAKER AND 34TH. UH, SO I, I'M WONDERING GUYS, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT GOING FROM 34TH DOWN TO 39TH AND CALLING THAT WHOLE THING? GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IF SOMEBODY WERE TO CHOOSE TO BUY UP LOTS, THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION AND THE RIGHT TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE 2026 MARKETABLE. 'CAUSE I THINK, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH FOUR ACRES. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, IF THAT ONE'S FOUR ACRES, THE ONE, WELL THAT ONE IS ALREADY, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S FINE. BUT YEAH, THE TWO BELOW IT ARE, ARE QUITE LARGE. THERE'S A LOT OF LARGE LOTS THERE. MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM . I AGREE. BILL, YOU GOT YEAH. MAKE THE WHOLE THING YELLOW THIS WEEK. LIGHT YELLOW. YEAH. OKAY. H SHOULD I GO BE IN COLOR? UH, BLIND HERE AGAIN. SO, ALL RIGHT. UH, TRAVIS, ARE YOU CLEAR ON THAT DIRECTION, SIR? I GOT IT. YES, SIR. 34TH, 39TH BAKER, CALIFORNIA, ALL GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE? AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE ENTIRE SCHOOL, WE'VE GOT THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE IS JUST, IT'S A SUBDIVISION. IT AIN'T GONNA BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT, SO. OH, THAT'S THE SCHOOL. OKAY. OKAY. UH, BAKER UP ON THE NORTH END, I THINK THAT I'M GONNA FIND THAT ACTUALLY BELONG. DO THOSE TWO LOTS BELONG TO THE SCHOOL? BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND THE AG BUILDING? RIGHT THERE. AND THE ONE ABOVE IT, THEY ARE OWNED BY THE ISD. THAT ONE IS NOT, BUT THIS ONE IS THAT ONE. REALLY. THE SMALL ONE IS, AND THE BIGGER ONE IS NOT. ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE A BET? HOW LONG BEFORE THE ISD BUYS THAT ? DEPENDS IF THEY WILLING TO SELL. UH, AND THAT BEING SAID, ALSO, WE NEED TO REZONE A LOT. ONE YOU'RE ON RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE IT'S NON-CONFORMING, JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY, RIGHT? CORRECT. [00:50:03] BUT THAT PUTS US IN THAT SPOT ZONING STUFF WE DON'T WANT TO DO. CORRECT. IT, IT IS KIND OF ON THAT LINE. YES, SIR. YEAH. THE, THE MOST DENSITY OF NEIGHBOR CONSERVATION ALLOWS FOR IS DUPLEX. DUPLEX. SO IT WOULD BE NONCONFORMING. UM, SO HERE'S A CRAZY NOTION. SO I, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH BAKER STREET. THAT'S THE AG BUILDING UP THERE ON THE NORTH END RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THAT'S A, WELL, NOT THE BEST APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S TWO EMPTIES. WELL, NO, THAT THE ONE WHERE WE SAY THEY DON'T OWN IT. THERE'S A NEW, THERE'S A NEW HOUSE THERE. THERE'S A HOUSE. YEAH, THERE'S A HOUSE THERE. IS THERE, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THE, THE BIGGER LOT RIGHT THERE BY BAKER? YEAH, THERE'S A HOUSE THERE. YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT'S A PRETTY NEW HOUSE. MM-HMM . YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WELL, I GUESS THEY'RE NOT GONNA OWN IT THEN. AND I'LL DISREGARD WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE WITHIN THE LAST TWO, MAYBE THREE YEARS. YEP. OKAY. SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE, . YES, YOU HAVE, SIR. AND NOW YOU GET TO GO TO OKLAHOMA AND HAVE FUN TOO. ALL RIGHT. UM, YOUR KIDS, ANYTHING? I HAVE A, I HAVEN A SENIOR THIS YEAR. I, I GUESS I DON'T SEE ANY NEED OR WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING THROUGH THAT AREA. DO YOU GUYS OKAY. ON THE NORTH END ABOVE SAM VITANZA, THAT GOES ALL THE WAY. THAT'S ALL ISD ALL THE WAY TO, UP TO THE CURVE, TO THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S ISD AND THAT'S THE, WHAT'S THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE? THAT TRIANGLE? UH, STONE TOWN OWNS IT. SO GREEN. KAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL. HMM. AND IT'S GONNA BE COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S IN THE ADJACENT TO IT. NOBODY DO. WHAT IS THAT? WITH ALL THE LITTLE DEWEYS RIGHT THERE. THOSE ARE LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC, UH, HOUSES. OKAY. AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR GIANT TRAILER PARK RIGHT THERE. YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, OWENS DRIVE. SAM HOLBROOK, UH, UH, RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS OWENS, THERE'S A, TO YOUR RIGHT, JUST A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT PART OF SAM HOLBROOK PARK? THAT LOT? OKAY. IT IS, YES. OWNED BY GALVESTON COUNTY. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, IF YOU'D ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT AND ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY TAKE A LOOK, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE HAVE MISSED. 'CAUSE I THINK FROM CALIFORNIA TO GUM BAYOU NORTH OF FIVE 17, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, CHICKEN PICKED IT. PRETTY GOOD THOUGHTS, LADIES, GENTLEMEN. I AGREE. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. SO BASICALLY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING, THEY'RE UH, GRANDFATHERED IN, THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH, IS THAT CORRECT? THE NON-CONFORMING. YEAH, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE THAT, RIGHT? I'M JUST GOING WITH, I THINK BETWEEN THE ISD AND EDC, I THINK THEY OWN HALF OUR CITY . AT LEAST I SAID IT, I SAID IT OUT LOUD. IT'S AT LEAST A QUARTER. YEAH. DON'T FORGET WCID. WHAT? I SAID DON'T FORGET WCID TOO. OH YEAH. THEY GOT THE OTHER THIRD. YEAH. AND THEN ONE LITTLE WE DON'T, THAT'S OWNED BY T DOT, SO WE WON'T TALK ABOUT IT EITHER. ALL RIGHT. UH, ZOOM OUT TO THE WHOLE CITY IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, SIR. ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I THINK WE MIGHT BE DONE. WOW. ABSOLUTELY. BANGER. WE ALREADY DID THE SOUTH SIDE. YES, SIR. MM-HMM . YEP. SO CAN WE START OVER ALL AT THE BEGINNING? YES, PLEASE. . FELT LIKE EVERYONE WAS GONNA THROW SOME DOWN. YEAH. ONE MORE TIME. JUST A SECOND THERE. . OKAY. NOW TRAVIS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING, I MEAN, WE STARTED THIS, WHEN DID WE START THIS? OCTOBER. OCTOBER, CORRECT. OCTOBER 14TH, I THINK WAS THE FIRST MEETING. OKAY. AND, UH, AND OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT DONE BY DECEMBER. YEAH. WELL, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD A TOUGH TIME SINCE THE NEW YEARS. HONESTLY, IT'S BEEN TOUGH GETTING EVERYBODY TOGETHER WITH MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING GOING ON. IT HAPPENS. MM-HMM . HEY, LISTEN, WE AS A COMMUNITY SERVANTS DID THIS FREE OF CHARGE, FREE OF CHARGE, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE THE FIRST ROUND. SO, YOU KNOW, YAY. FOR US, I, I ACTUALLY CALCULATED THIS TODAY. WE DID, WE'VE DONE SIX MEETINGS SO FAR. A TOTAL OF A LITTLE OVER 13 HOURS. I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT I CAN TELL ALL YOU GUYS ON HERE, TRAVIS, YOUR TEAM, EVERYBODY TOO. AGAIN, I, I [00:55:01] GOT INVOLVED WITH THE CITY BACK IN ABOUT 2011, 2012, AND THIS HAS BEEN A TRAIN WRECK FROM ALL THE WAY BACK THEN. 'CAUSE WE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE GET INVOLVED WITH THIS THAT DIDN'T LIVE IN THE CITY. DIDN'T KNOW THE HISTORY, WENT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. I DON'T EVER BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY MALICE. JUST INCOMPETENCE. NOT EVEN INTENTIONAL INCOMPETENCE. IT JUST WAS, IT STARTED IN OH ONE. FIRST TIME IT WAS DONE. YES. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST ITERATION THAT ACTUAL CITIZENS OF THE CITY HAVE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING, SQUARE BY SQUARE AND, UH, MADE DETERMINATION. SO I SAY TO THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE, THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH. I'M KIND OF PROUD OF ALL OF US. YEAH, I'M TOO. TRAVIS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE MISSING? I WANNA ASK YOU THAT THREE MORE TIMES, , AS FAR AS THE ZONING MAP. I, I THINK WE'VE ALL DONE A VERY GOOD JOB. I DO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING WITH ME AND, AND Y'ALL'S DILIGENCE ON THIS. UH, YOU KNOW, MY NEXT STEPS FOR THIS IS, IS I'M GOING TO GET WITH OUR GIS CONSULTANT AND HAVE HIM CREATE THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP. SO I DO WANT TO GET Y'ALL GET THAT IN FRONT OF Y'ALL, UH, ONE MORE TIME AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT. AND THERE'S ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT Y'ALL SEE, YOU KNOW, NOW IS THE TIME. MM-HMM . UH, SO AS FAR AS THE ZONING REP'S, UH, MAP IS CONCERNED, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT. IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH IT, UH, WE CAN PROCEED WITH THAT. UH, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER, UH, I THINK 437 PAGES IN THE UDC IF ANY OF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THOSE REGULATIONS. UH, I AM ALSO, UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS TWO PARTS YOU GOT, I, I KNOW EVERYONE HAS ISSUES WITH THE ZONING MAP. UM, AND THAT IS HALF OF IT. AND THE OTHER HALF IS THE REGULATIONS THAT CORRESPOND WITH THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. UM, UH, SO I ANTICIPATE THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT, THAT, UH, Y'ALL WOULD CONSIDER, DON'T EXACTLY JIVE WITH DICKINSON. RIGHT. UH, SO IF Y'ALL WANNA START THAT DISCUSSION TODAY, I'M OPEN TO THAT. I GOT A FEW THINGS I CAN TALK, TALK ABOUT IF Y'ALL WANNA START THAT WAY, OR IF Y'ALL WANT TO PICK IT UP TUESDAY, UH, I'M OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TODAY, AND FORGIVE ME, DEBORAH, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. UM, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH WHAT YOUR PLAN IS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD START ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT ADJUSTING, REVIEWING ANYTHING JUST YET MM-HMM . BUT POSSIBLY WHAT YOUR PLAN IS ON PRESENTATION, BREAKING OUT AND, AND SUCH LIKE THAT. AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. THOUGHTS, PHIL? OKAY. MS. FORTNER, UM, I SPOKE TO TRAVIS AHEAD OF TIME ALSO, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO, UH, BRIEFLY TO THE, UH, POINT THAT'S JUST BROUGHT UP IN COUNCIL YESTERDAY WITH REGARD TO, UH, SPECIFIC USE, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. UM, AND, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A TREND TO WANT TO GET TO JUST THROW 'EM AWAY AND I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU GUYS. MM-HMM . BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE THE ONES THAT GET TO SEE ALL OF THAT. AND WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE A MOMENT, UH, I PUT THAT INTO AI. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU. AND IT, IT SAYS IN COMMUNITY PLANNING AND ZONING, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ALSO CALLED CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO, ALLOWS A PROPERTY OWNER TO USE LAND IN A WAY THAT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY ALLOWED BY THE ZONING CODE. MM-HMM . BUT MAY STILL BE APPROPRIATE UNDER CERTAIN CI CIRCUMSTANCES. THE PURPOSE IS TO GIVE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FLEXIBILITY. MM-HMM . SO THERE ARE PURPOSES WHILE PROTECTING NEARBY PROPERTIES AND THE OVERALL COMMUNITY PLAN. I AGREE. TYPICAL GOALS INCLUDE BALANCING FLEXIBILITY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. MANAGING IMPACTS LIKE, UM, TRAFFIC AND PARKING AND NOISE AND LIGHTING MM-HMM . AND IMPLEMENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S MORE. BUT I THINK THAT KIND OF SAYS IT. AND I THINK AS LONG AS WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF PLANNING AND WE'VE TAKEN A LONG TIME TO ALSO BE A COMMUNITY OF ZONING, THAT THE SPECIAL USE REALLY ADDS SOMETHING TO US, UH, IN MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE FLEXIBILITY. NOW I JUST ASKED TRAVIS WHAT IT COSTS TO DO. ONE, IT WAS $900. I THINK THAT'S A BIT MUCH. I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED TO PAY LESS THAN THAT IF THEY'D LIKE TO COME BEFORE WITH A, WITH THAT KIND OF PERMIT. THAT'S AGREE WITH THAT $900 A LITTLE BIT MUCH. WHAT DO YOU THINK, KIDDO? [01:00:01] MY THOUGHTS ARE, FIRST OF ALL, BEAUTIFULLY WELL SAID. AND I WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPORTER OF HAVING SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, WHATEVER THEY CALL 'EM, SUVS, WHATEVER THEIR TITLE. AND, BUT THE GIST OF IT, I THINK IS WHAT YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS KEEPING IT TO A MINIMUM. MM-HMM . WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO DO ANYTHING HAD TO HAVE AN SUP. YEAH. AND EVERY SUP CAME IN AND WAS A DICE THROW, AND SO NOBODY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT. IT'S INSANE. AND I THINK KIND OF WHAT TRAVIS'S PLAN IS FOR US, I BELIEVE, IS FOR US TO GO THROUGH THESE THINGS AND IMPROVE THE WORDING, IMPROVE THE CLARITY, UH, TRY TO USE OUR OWN VISION OF WHAT COULD BE TO TRY TO ADD WORDS THAT OPEN UP OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT COMES THROUGH HERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A COOKIE CUTTER PLAN. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN WRITTEN IN THE PAST, IF YOU'RE NOT PERFECTLY WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF EVERYTHING, YOU HAVE TO GO SUP. AND I THINK I AM IN FAVOR OF KIND OF BACKING OUT OF A LOT OF THE RULES, AND I'M OPEN TO IMPROVING THE LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS MORE CAPABILITY, BUT ALSO HAS PLENTY OF BUMPERS TO PROTECT OUR PEOPLE. I, I THINK OUR DOING THIS WAS THE FIRST STEP WITH REGARD TO THAT MM-HMM . AND TRULY IN, IN CLARIFYING THE ZONES. SO THAT, THAT, THAT THE USE OF A, UH, SPECIAL CONDITIONAL DEAL WOULD BE LESS OFTEN JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE AND THE REDUCTION OF HAVING TO REZONE PROPERTIES. OH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. WE, THE, THAT'S THE REASON WE STARTED THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. BECAUSE IF, AS YOU RECALL, ALMOST EVERY MEETING, THAT'S ALL IT WAS, TRYING TO PUT THE ZONING BACK TO WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE FOR SOME POOR COMMUNITY MEMBER . RIGHT. AND SO I THINK WITH PROPER ZONING, THE NEED FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WILL BE LESSENED. MM-HMM . AND SO WHEN THEY DO COME, MY HOPE IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE AT A, AT THAT KIND OF WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED, THAT KIND OF NEED. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF THIS, THIS, THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF ZONING, OF PLANNING EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD IS TO MAKE OUR CITY MORE AMENABLE TO DEVELOPMENT, POSITIVE, GOOD DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY. AND WE HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR 15 YEARS THAT, YOU KNOW, CHAOS BREEDS CHAOS. AND WE HAVE BEEN CHAOTIC. MM-HMM . AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN, WE HAVE NOT BEEN A FRIENDLY CITY TO DEVELOPERS. MM-HMM . NOT SAYING WE WAKE UP TO BE HATEFUL TO 'EM, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD SYSTEMS IN PLACE. WE HAVEN'T HAD ORGANIZATIONS, WE DIDN'T COMPLETE MUCH. WE GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD 75% IDEAS AND THEN, OOH, NEXT SHINY QUARTER, AND PEOPLE MOVED ON AND THEN WE LEFT THIS CRAP UNLESS THEY FORGIVE MY LANGUAGE, SITTING AT 75%. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT 75% IS NOW LAW BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FINISH IT, AND IT'S STILL SITTING THERE. AND IT CREATED MORE HAVOC AND MORE HAVOC. WE, WE, AS A CITY, EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING AROUND US, MAN, EVERYBODY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. LAMAR IS CRUSHING IT. HITCHCOCK IS CRUSHING IT. SANTA FE IS CRUSHING IT. LEAGUE CITY, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT IT'S LIKE, WE HAVE GOT TO GET OUR TABLES CLEAN AND WE'VE GOTTA GET OUR DOCUMENTS RIGHT? WE'VE GOTTA GET OUR LANGUAGE RIGHT. WE'VE GOTTA BECOME MORE OPEN AND, AND USER FRIENDLY. WELL, AND I'M NOT KIDDING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE DID FROM HERE. THIS IS OUR FIRST BIG, BIG STEP. MM-HMM . I MEAN, CLARIFYING THIS, THIS WAS HUGE. THIS WAS A MESS. I MEAN, YEAH. IT, IT, YOU, IT WAS EVERY TIME WE HAD A MEETING, THAT WAS ALL WE DID. MM-HMM . IT WAS REZONE, REZONE, REZONE. SO THIS WAS, UM, A VERY GOOD FIRST STEP, I THINK. EXCELLENT. SO, TRAVIS, IF YOU'D BE SO KIND, SIR. AND FOR, BY THE WAY, GUYS, I, I MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF, OF NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY MORE REVIEWS, BUT ASK TRAVIS TO, UH, EXPAND. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BETTER IDEA OR, OR WISH FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT? TRAVIS? I MEAN, YOU COOL WITH THAT? DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE IN A PLACE TO JUST CATCH THE PLAN OR DO YOU WANNA GET MOVING? I, I CAN THEN, UH, TALK ABOUT A PLAN GOING FORWARD. AND THEN TUESDAY WE PICK UP ON THE, ON THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. RIGHT. BEAUTIFUL WORK FOR Y'ALL. COOL. UH, SO KIND OF, I DO WANNA GIVE, YOU KNOW, TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT DEBORAH SAID. UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE EDC WAS DESIGNED TO BE MORE DEVELOPER FRIENDLY. UH, IS IS A VERY GOOD POINT THAT THERE ARE LESS USES THAT REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NOW, UM, THAN BEFORE. AND THERE'S A COUPLE REASONS FOR THAT. ONE, WE RECREATED THE LIMITED USE PERMIT AND THE LIMITED USE PERMIT. UH, IT WILL SET CERTAIN STANDARDS FOR EACH USE. THAT IF THAT DEVELOPER MEETS THE STANDARD, THEN THEY'RE APPROVED. THERE'S NO MEETINGS, THERE'S NO FEES. UH, JUST HERE'S OUR STANDARDS. IF YOU WANT TO DO A RESTAURANT, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. YOU DO [01:05:01] THAT, YOU GET APPROVED THERE. THERE'S NO MEETINGS. UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE UDC REMOVED THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE, THOSE ALL CAME TO P AND Z. UH, FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. IT REQUIRED A PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE, SORRY, BEFORE ANYONE COULD EVEN SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT. UH, SO NOW THAT IS REMOVED. THAT IS ONE EXTRA STEP THAT IS REMOVED FOR ANYONE WHO'S, WHO'S TRYING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT HERE IN DICKINSON. UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I GOT ON THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT WAS FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE AN EQUAL SHOT AT, AT DOING DEVELOPMENT. IF, IF WE BOTH HAVE THE SAME USES AND SOMEONE LIKES MR. HENDERSON, BUT NOT MYSELF, AND WE, BUT WE BOTH HAVE TO GO FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, MAYBE THEY WOULD DENY MINE. RIGHT? UH, AND SO THAT IS CERTAINLY A CONCERN THAT, THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE, BUT HAS BEEN MITIGATED A LOT IN MY OPINION, UH, WITH THE UDC. UH, SO LIKE I SAID, GOING FORWARD, UH, I'M GOING TO HAVE A PROPOSED ZONING MAP CREATED. UH, WE WILL COMPARE THAT TO THE PREVIOUS, WE WILL COMPARE THAT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UH, IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT WE WILL BE REVISITING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AFTER THIS ZONING MAP. UH, IT IS SUPPOSED, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD BE OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UH, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET US TO WHERE WE ARE. NOW, IF WE END UP WITH A ADOPTED ZONING MAP THAT IS NOT REALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY A PROCESS. I WILL TASK MY NEW PLANNER IAN, WITH AND YOU GUYS, SO THAT THAT WILL BE COMING IN FRONT OF Y'ALL. UH, SO THAT I PROBABLY WON'T HAVE IT DONE BY NEXT MEETING. BUT, UH, JULY'S MEETING, WE'LL HAVE THAT. UH, AFTER THAT I WILL GET TOGETHER ALL THE TAX AMENDMENTS THAT WE DO DISCUSS. I DO BELIEVE THERE WILL BE MANY. UH, AND THERE, THERE'S EVERYTHING IN THERE. THERE'S A HEIGHT OF HEIGHTS, OF FENCES. UH, IT'S PROBABLY LOWER THAN WHAT Y'ALL WOULD THINK IS THREE FEET FOR RESIDENTIAL. IT'S VERY RARE. YOU SEE A THREE FOOT TALL FENCE, SEE FOUR FOOT AND LITTLE BRANCH STYLE FENCES, WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, THERE'S A, A LOT OF MANUFACTURED HOME PARK REGULATIONS THAT WERE REMOVED FROM MUNI MUNI CODE AND NOT NECESSARILY REPLACED. UH, SO I KNOW MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS ARE A HOT TOPIC HERE. WHETHER WE WANNA BRING SOME OR ALL OF THAT BACK, UH, I DEFINITELY WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AND RIGHT. TRAVIS? UM, QUICK QUESTION. YES. SO WE HAVE DONE THE ZONING MAP, OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND NOW WE'RE GONNA, UH, CONTINUE OUR, OUR WORK WORKING THROUGH THE, UH, UDC. I AM MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE, THE MAP WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND LATER WE WILL PRESENT UDC RECOMMENDATIONS OR WE GONNA HOLD THESE TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. WE, WE COULD DO THE MAP BEFORE THE TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE DONE. WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS REQUIRED NOTICE, UH, THE REASON WE ARE KIND OF DOING ALL THE ZONING AT ONE TIME IS 'CAUSE WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO PR, YOU KNOW, UH, SEND OUT NOTICE NOT TO THE WHOLE CITY LIKE WE DID THE FIRST TIME. WE'RE GONNA DO A RESOLUTION THROUGH CITY COUNCIL THAT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE PUBLISHED NOTICE. EXCUSE ME. MM-HMM . UH, SO THAT IS FINE FOR THAT. FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR NOTIFICATION ARE LESS THAN SO MM-HMM . WE POST, WE'LL PUBLISH REGULAR NOTICE IN THE PAPER AND, UH, SEND OUT TO, UH, THE CITIZENS. OKAY. UH, SO, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THE MAP BEFORE THE TAX AMENDMENTS, BUT I AM GONNA TAKE THE FINAL MAP TO YOU GUYS FIRST FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA ASK YOU BOTH FOR A, A FAVOR, UM, WE'LL REVIEW IT. WE'LL CONFIRM. YEP. WE ALL THROW HOLY WATER. WE ALL AGREE. UH, I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL IF THE ENTIRE BOARD COULD BE COMMUNICATED WITH WHENEVER COUNSEL IS GONNA BE REVIEWING IT FOR DISCUSSION. I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE FOR ALL OF US TO BE AWARE OF THAT. 'CAUSE I KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE. I WOULD TO HEAR THEIR COMMENTS. YEP. EASY. I THINK THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT'S BEEN DONE BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE IN 20 YEARS. IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MEETING. YES, SIR. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME NEW P AND Z BOARD MEMBERS THERE AS WELL. THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO. YEP. OKAY. TRAVIS, IS YOUR PLAN TO, FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENTS, ADDING IT TO OUR NORMAL MEETING OR LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS? UH, SO THAT IS UP FOR DEBATE. UH, I DO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE NEXT MEETING ON THIS COMING TUESDAY, I ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM [01:10:01] AND IT SHOULD BE SHORT. SO, UH, IF Y'ALL ARE WILLING, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TEXT AMENDMENTS AT THAT MEETING. UH, WE CAN DISCUSS IF, IF WE WANT TO HAVE SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETINGS OR, UH, JUST TACK 'EM ONTO THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE MEETINGS. I'M OPEN TO EITHER, IT WOULD TAKE FOREVER IF WE TACKED IT ON. WOULDN'T IT ? IT WOULD, IT, IT COULD, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH, UH, HOW MUCH Y'ALL ARE GONNA DIVE INTO IT. YOU KNOW, IT COULD IT TAKE MORE THAN EIGHT MONTHS? YEAH. IT WILL NOT TAKE MORE THAN EIGHT MONTHS. YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE, UH, I THINK FIVE ITEMS THAT I WANNA BRING UP, YOU KNOW, FROM A STAFF LEVEL MM-HMM . UH, THEY'RE NOT SUPER INVOLVED. PROBABLY THE MOST INVOLVED ONE IS, IS MANUFACTURED HOME REGULATIONS. YEAH. UM, TRAVIS IN THE UDC IS THERE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A TABLE OF CONTENTS. THAT'S PRETTY INTENSIVE. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT OKAY. AND YOU CAN BREAK IT DOWN. OKAY. ACTUALLY I WAS HITTING ALL OF THE, UM, HITTING ALL THE PLUS SIGNS ALSO. YEAH. YEAH. IT'LL, IT'LL BREAK IT OUT PER SECTION. UM, UM, SO KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING, IF POSSIBLE, USING THIS TABLE OF CONTENTS RIGHT HERE, AND LIKE I SAID, HITTING EVERY PLUS SIGN ON IT AND PRINTING OUT THAT AS A LIST AND KIND OF SAY, ALL RIGHT, HEY, UH, ON THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SECTIONS 1811 THROUGH 1816. THAT'S OUR PLAN. WELL, UH, IF THAT WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO ALSO TO TO DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK ON OUR OWN PART. ALSO, BEFOREHAND, IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT THERE, THERE ARE JUST SOME FIVE SPECIFIC ONES THAT YOU HAVE ON ALL OF THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND, AND KIND OF TO PIGGYBACK ON MR. LO'S EMAIL, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT Y'ALL HAVE IDENTIFIED YOURSELVES, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE. AND SO DEPENDING ON HOW MANY Y'ALL IDENTIFY, THAT COULD, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS TO, TO APPROACH IT FROM A SYSTEMATIC POINT OF VIEW. SO WE DON'T, HEY, BY THE WAY, I'M HERE AND WE'RE THERE AND WE MISSED HALF OF EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. I LIKE THAT. YEAH. KINDA LIKE WHEN WE DID THE, THE ZONING MAP. HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO FROM THIS ROAD TO THIS ROAD AND THIS ROAD TO THAT ROAD, AND THAT'S WHERE WE STOP. BUT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE. UH, THERE YOUR IDEA OF HAVING IT PRINTED OUT SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT MM-HMM . AT OUR LEISURE AND COME BACK, SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM HERE. AND THEN WE CAN ASK, UM, TRAVIS, BECAUSE, UH, HE'S ALREADY IDENTIFIED FIVE, BUT HE'S BEEN THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. SO IF WE SAY, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND HE SAYS, NO, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. SO IT MIGHT BE A LESS LABORIOUS TASK THAN WE THINK, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. HAVE YOU MET PHIL ? ? YEAH. I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, UH, I WOULDN'T SHY AWAY FROM JUST SKIMMING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE GOT. YEAH. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, KIND OF MY TAKE ON IT AGAIN IS, IS GOING AT IT IN A SYSTEMATIC POINT OF VIEW. HEY, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, NEXT WEEK, WHAT DO WE GOT FRICKING UH, 11 ARTICLES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LINES AND PAGES ARE IN EACH ARTICLE. I DON'T KNOW IF ONE'S GOT 10 AND THE OTHER'S GOT A THOUSAND. YEAH. UH, I'M TOTALLY MAKING WILD ASS GUESSES AFTER THAT. BUT SOMETHING TO WHERE WE HAVE A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO GOING, OKAY GUYS, IF YOU DO ME A FAVOR, CLICK ON, UH, ARTICLE ONE PLUS SIGN. OKAY. UH, TITLE PURPOSES AUTHORITY, ENACTMENT EFFECTIVE UDC. OKAY. SO ARTICLE ONE IS GONNA BE A VERY, VERY FAST CRUISE THROUGH. THAT'S NOT GONNA TAKE ANYTHING. SO WE AS A GROUP CAN SAY, HEY GUYS, NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA GO OVER ARTICLES ONE AND TWO. 'CAUSE ZONING DISTRICTS AND DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS IS SOMETHING WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND WE CAN CRUISE THROUGH IT. I KNOW PHIL WILL DO IT. I'LL DO IT. YOU KNOW, WE ALL DO IT. YEAH, OF COURSE. IS IS GOING, HEY, I LOOKED THROUGH IT, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT, I'M COOL WITH, OH, HEY, I LOOKED AT IT. SECTION 18, FOUR DASH ONE DASH TWO DASH THREE DASH FOUR. IT'S GOT A COMMENT THAT I THINK IS AN ISSUE. MM-HMM. OKAY, COOL. GOTCHA. LET'S HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE MOVE ON. UH, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS THE PART I THINK IS GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF HOMEWORK ON OUR PARTS. MAKES SENSE. UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE AND HAVE TO READ THE ENTIRE UDC AT THE COUNTER. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS AIMING AT. YES, YES MA'AM. GOOD POINT. BUT, UH, GETTING BUT IDENTIFYING EACH ONE OF THE SECTIONS SO WE'RE, AGAIN, NOT BOUNCING ALL OVER 11 SUBSECTIONS AND ARTICLES AND EVERYTHING. WELL, DO YOU WANNA SAY TWO ARTICLES FOR TUESDAY? YEAH. I MEAN, I MIGHT RECOMMEND ONE THROUGH THREE. I THINK THE FIRST TWO WOULD. [01:15:01] I'M OKAY. AND ALSO, GUYS, THIS IS EXACTLY THE WAY WE DID WITH, UH, WITH THE, THE MAP. HEY, WE'RE GONNA GO FROM HERE TO HERE. WELL, WE ONLY MADE IT TO HERE. OKAY. WELL THE NEXT WEEK WE START THERE AND WE CONTINUE ON. THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE'LL JUST KEEP PLUGGING IT UNTIL WE, WE EAT THIS ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME. YOU GOT IT. OKAY. SO THAT BEING SAID, TUESDAY, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN GOING THROUGH ARTICLES ONE THROUGH THREE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. BILL, YOU GOOD WITH THAT? THAT'S GOOD. FANTASTIC. UM, WOULD ONE OF Y'ALL BE SO KIND AS TO EMAIL OR TEXT? I MEAN, ANY ONE OF US CAN DO IT TOO. UM, UH, JOHN AND MARJORIE JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. IS JOHN'S ON VACATION, ISN'T HE? IS HE LIKE IN ALASKA OR SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THAT? I, YEAH, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WAS NOT GONNA ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING EITHER. OKAY. ON TUESDAY. YEAH. WE WANNA SEND THE, THE NOTICE TO HIM JUST SO THEY THEY ARE AWARE. WILL YOU ALSO SEND US THE HYPERLINK FOR THIS? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. YEP. GOOD IDEA. WE DON'T HAVE TO MODEL THROUGH IT. WELL, I KNOW I'M NOT AS GOOD AS HIM. AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, I, I ASKED YOU ABOUT MS UH, MORGAN. I'M GONNA GIVE HER A CALL MYSELF. I CONSIDER HER A PERSONAL FRIEND. I WANT TO CHAT WITH HER, JUST SEE WHERE SHE'S AT WITH THIS. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAT WAY. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. BE FORMAL OR, YOU KNOW. YEAH. INSULTING. THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT. OF COURSE. SO, ALL RIGHT. UM, DOES EVERYBODY LIKE THAT PATH FORWARD ON YOU BET, TACKLING THIS ELEPHANT? YOU BET. OKAY. BILL, YOU LIKE, IF YOU HAVE FIRST THREE ARTICLES YES, SIR. ARTICLES ONE, TWO, AND THREE GENERAL PROVISIONS, ZONING DISTRICTS AND DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AND USE STANDARDS. AND I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING THREE MIGHT END UP BEING AN ELEPHANT. THAT'LL BE THE LONG ONE THAT, THAT HAS THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE IN IT. MM-HMM . THAT IS GONNA GET DICEY. OKAY. AND AGAIN, WE MIGHT SPEND THE WHOLE MEETING IN ARTICLE ONE. WHO KNOWS? EIGHT MONTHS LATER. PHIL, WE'RE GONNA ACT LIKE YOU HAVEN'T READ THIS ALREADY. PHIL, LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO QUOTE IT? . FANTASTIC. LADIES, GENTLEMEN, AGAIN, EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I, I REALLY, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS A LITTLE CHEESY AND I'VE SAID IT MORE THAN ONCE, BUT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING. IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN THE CITY SINCE 2001. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO, EXCELLENT JOB BY EVERYBODY. SO WITH THAT, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN. OKAY. , WE HAVE A MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK HIM IF ANY DISAGREES. AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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