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[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
MEETING FOR THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.UH, SO WE HAVE BRUCE HENDERSON HERE, SIR.
UH, JOHN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? AND MS. FORTNER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE VOCATION? YOU WANT THE INDICATION PLEDGE OF FIRST? UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK I FEEL LIKE DOING THINGS BACKWARDS TODAY.
PLEDGE ALL ALL TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE, ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO DISEASE.
TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
MS. FORTNER, BOW WITH ME PLEASE.
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ABILITY THAT WE HAVE TO STAY HERE AND TO BE IN THIS, UH, COMMITTEE AND TO HOPE, ASK YOUR DIRECTION, UH, AND HONOR YOUR NAME IN MAKING DECISIONS THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY.
AND LORD, WE ESPECIALLY WANT YOU TO KEEP YOUR HAND ON ALL THOSE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE, UH, PUT THEIRSELVES IN HARM'S WAY TODAY AND BEEN IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THIS.
AND WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, VERY WELL DONE, MA'AM.
[3. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS]
ANNOUNCEMENTS.UH, PHIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, SIR? NO.
UM, JUST, I'M SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THE FIRE THAT TOOK PLACE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT NOT, LET ME SHARE WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF OUR, UH, COMMITMENT TO UNDERSTANDING THE NEIGHBORS.
SO, UH, THERE WAS A FIRE THAT HAPPENED IN THE COUNTRY CLUB AREA AND IT, UH, IT CAUGHT ONE HOUSE ON FIRE AND THE GENTLEMAN APPARENTLY HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHEMICALS IN, HE RESTORED CARS AND IT, UH, BURNT HIS HOUSE TOTALLY TO THE GROUND AND AFFECTED AT LEAST TWO OTHERS.
UM, AND WE HAD, UH, OUR BLESSED, UH, FIRE PEOPLE THERE.
AND THEN WE HAD TEXAS CITY AND LAMAR, AND I GUESS LAKE CITY TOO.
I'VE SEEN SOME VIDEOS ON THAT.
AND THERE WAS HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, WEREN'T THEY? THE WINDOW? UH, CERTAINLY.
I WENT DOWN THERE THIS MORNING TO CHECK ON IT.
UM, AND IT WAS, UH, THE, LIKE I SAID, THE ONE WAS, WELL, THEY WERE CALLED OUT AGAIN TODAY, APPARENTLY 'CAUSE OF EMBERS, YOU KNOW, UM, PROBABLY HAD A STRONG WIND, DIDN'T YOU? OH, YEAH.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING AROUND AND SINCE NONE OF THEM ARE CONFIRMED, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYMORE, BUT, UH, THAT IS A, THOSE ARE THE FACTS.
WELL, THERE'S NEVER A GOOD TIME FOR A HOUSE FIRE, BUT IN HEAVY WINDS IT'S DEFINITELY THE WORST.
WELL, MY HEART GOES OUT TO 'EM.
I, I, I, ANY HOUSE FIRE'S A HORRIBLE EVENT, IN MY OPINION.
I THINK I'D RATHER TAKE A FLOOD AND I DON'T WANT THAT AT ALL.
FORTUNATELY NO ONE, I, I HEARD THERE WERE A CO COUPLE ANIMALS THAT WERE HURT, BUT NO, UH, INDIVIDUALS, SO.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ADD ADD OTHER THAN I THINK Y'ALL, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SAID IT IN A WHILE, BUT I THINK EVERY ONE OF YOU GUYS THAT ARE HERE, UH, WAS THINKING ABOUT THE TRACTION THAT WE'VE MADE AND THE POSITIVE, UH, YOU BET, UH, MOVEMENT FORWARD ON ALL THE ZONING.
I'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND THE CITY A LOT AND DOWN THE BAYOU AND EVERYTHING.
AND EVERY TIME I LOOK AT SOMETHING, I THINK ABOUT CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD HERE.
AND I CAN ONLY RE REITERATE TO EVERYBODY HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A VERY BIG IMPACT IN OUR CITY, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO EVERYBODY'S WORK AND PATIENCE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A FEW TIMES WE'VE DISAGREED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT GOOD.
[7. NEW BUSINESS]
US, SIR? THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GOOD EVENING.UH, I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MIRROR YOUR SENTIMENT.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL'S HARD WORK IN SHOWING UP FOR THESE MEETINGS AND, AND DEALING WITH ME AS WELL.
UH, TO KIND OF KICK IT OFF, I, I DID WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO A FEW THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING.
UH, PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BACKTRACK ON SOME OF MY WORDS.
UH, THERE WAS THREE PARCELS THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE WANTED TO SPLIT THE ZONING OF ONE PARCEL.
UH, AND THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WE, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT IT'S,
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IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING, UH, FOR ANYONE TO, TO DEVELOP THAT.AND REALLY, UH, IN REALITY, THEY WOULD MOST LIKELY NEED TO COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD ANYWAYS, UH, TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY IF IT'S SPLIT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US WHICH ONES THEY ARE? 'CAUSE I PROMISE YOU I'VE SLEPT A LOT SINCE THEN.
UH, AND SO I CAN YOU WANT US SEE 'EM ON THE MAP? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO THE FIRST ONE WE TALKED ABOUT WAS 45 10 40 SECOND STREET.
UM, NEXT TO, OH MAN, MARINE NEXT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE WANTING TO DO A PARTIAL ZONING ON THE LOT ITSELF.
AND SO IT'S, THIS ONE HERE IS CURRENTLY ZONED IT'S URBAN TRANSITION, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT, UH, WE WANTED THE FRONT PART OF IT ZONE IS AUTOCENTRIC IN THE REAR AS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
UH, SO, UH, IS THERE, UH, A CONSENSUS WITH A COMMISSION TO, TO SET THIS AS ONE ZONING DISTRICT AS IT AS IT IS JUST ONE PARCEL? IF, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, IT IS NOT SEPARATED INTO LOTS IN ANY WAY.
IT, IT IS JUST ONE LARGE PARCEL.
AND WHAT DID WE, UH, IDENTIFY IT AS? I KNOW WE SPLIT IT, BUT WHAT WAS THE, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND THEN AUTOCENTRIC? YES, SIR.
AND WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? IT WAS, WHAT'S THE BROWN PROGRAM? UH, CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
AND I, I, I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE.
I'M THINKING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPEAT MANY CONVERSATIONS GOING, ALL RIGHT.
WHAT WA WHAT WAS ON THAT ONE? UH, WHICH ONE, WHICH ZONING WAS IT? WE COULD PUT HOUSING AND BUSINESSES ALSO.
GOTTA PULL MY HEAD TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT HERE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE? UH, CAN I SEE MIXED USE? UH, SO MIXED USE IS THIS COLUMN.
YOU WANNA SEE THE DESCRIPTION OF IT? UH, ACTUALLY JUST GO BACK TO THE, THE COLUMN.
YEAH, THAT'LL, THAT'LL GET MY HEAD ROLLING AGAIN.
UH, SO THE MIXED USE DISTRICT, IT DOES PERMIT SOME, IT'S MOSTLY DENSE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS, UH, CONVENTIONAL HOMES, RIGHT? NO CONVENTIONAL HOMES.
DUPLEX DOES ALLOW LIVE WORK UNITS, UH, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WELL.
TOWNHOUSE MULTIPLEX APARTMENT, AND THEN VARIOUS KIND OF LOW INTENSITY, UH, COMMERCIAL USES.
LIKE, OH WAIT, WHERE'S THE COMMERCIAL USES? I DON'T SEE THAT.
SO IT'S GOT A BAR WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL.
THERE'S A BAR IN THAT AREA WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL.
A BAR WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THAT LOCATION, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND, AND THIS COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.
WHAT WAS THE ONE THAT, UH, WHAT'S AT THE END OF OUR STREET, JOHN? THE ZONING, WE CALL THAT ONE.
DOES WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY? SMALL SCALE CO COMMERCIAL.
AND SCROLL TO THE TOP OF THAT ONE PLEASE.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE NO RESIDENTIAL IN THAT ONE.
AH, MINCH MINUS THIS LIVE WORK UNIT.
SO MIXED USE DOESN'T HAVE SINGLE HOME POTENTIAL.
AND, AND SO I KNOW I BROUGHT THIS UP A FEW TIMES, BUT THE, THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND THE MIXED USE DISTRICT ARE THE TWO DISTRICTS THAT WE ENFORCE THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND SO THAT IS THIS SECTION, AND IT DOES KIND OF SEPARATE IT OUT BY USE.
IT HAS, UH, BUILDING DESIGN FOR COMMERCIAL LIKE RETAIL.
IT'S GOT ONE FOR, YOU KNOW, MIX, UH, MULTIPLEX AND APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES.
SO TELL YOU WHAT, I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE A A, A POTENTIAL SUGGESTION HERE.
UM, TURNING THE ENTIRE LOT INTO AUTOCENTRIC, RIGHT? ON MY RATIONALE BEHIND THAT RECOMMENDATION IS ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PUT A BUSINESS IN THIS, IF IT'S NOT AUTOCENTRIC, THEY'LL HAVE THE DEVIL OF A TIME TRYING TO GET IT ZONED AS AUTOCENTRIC.
BUT IF ANYBODY BUYS THIS LOT AND THEY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO TURN HALF OF THIS INTO AUTOCENTRIC, BUT I'D LIKE TO REPL IT AS RESIDENTIAL ON THE BACK HALF, THAT WILL SAIL THROUGH MUCH, MUCH EASIER THAN TRYING TO GET COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
AND SO, AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND WE'RE KIND OF DAMN DAMNED IF WE DO, DAMNED IF WE DON'T.
AND I JUST KNOW RESIDENT COMMERCIAL'S ALWAYS MORE DIFFICULT TO GET THAN RESIDENTIAL THOUGHTS.
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AND I'M EVEN GOING AUTOCENTRIC.'CAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST LOTS IN OUR CITY THAT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE BUSINESS IN THERE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A FULL RESTAURANT IN THERE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR PARKING THAT'S 14 ACRES.
IN FACT, THEY COULD PUT SEVERAL RESTAURANTS IN THERE IF THEY WANTED TO.
NOW YOU FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE WITH ME ON DON'T, DON'T DISAGREE.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAKES SENSE IS IF YOU, IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO PUT, I, I KNOW IT'S SHOCKING THAT I WOULD DO, WRITE THAT DOWN, TRAVIS
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PRESUPPOSING WHAT THE GUY WANTS TO DO WITH HIS RIGHT.
NOW, I WOULD ASK FOR CONSENSUS ON YOU GUYS.
I SAY AUTOCENTRIC BECAUSE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE OLD LANGUAGE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WHAT STAFF RECOMMEND IT? I WOULD RECOMMEND AUTOCENTRIC.
I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAIR, UH, YOU KNOW, ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS, IS GONNA BE SIMILAR TO SURROUNDING USES.
IF THERE IS CONCERN WITH, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BACKING UP TO THESE HOUSES ON 44TH STREET, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DO REQUIRE A BUFFER YARD IN BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL LOT RULES.
SO THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME RESTRICTIONS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE BIGGEST LOTS IN OUR ENTIRE CITY.
AND OF ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOMEBODY TO PUT SOME REAL BUSINESS IN DICKINSON, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST LOTS IN THE WHOLE CITY.
AND IT'S, IT IS PRETTY UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD KEEP IT AS ONE LARGE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA PUT SOME RESERVES IN THERE, OR MAYBE SOME MIXED USE OR RESIDENTIAL STUFF.
IT'S, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT IT WOULD BE AN INVOLVED PROPERTY.
PLUS THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR PROPER DRAINAGE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW? THAT IS TRUE, MA'AM.
SO I'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE THAT ENTIRE LOT AUTOCENTRIC PHIL.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
SO THIS IS THE SECOND ONE THAT WE DISCUSSED.
AND SO WE HAD THE SAME THING HERE, UH, AUTOCENTRIC FRONT, WHICH GENERAL RESIDENTIAL REAR AND WHAT'S THE REDS AUTOCENTRIC.
AND SO WE DID KEEP THOSE AS AUTOCENTRIC.
WE FLIPPED THIS LOT, UH, FIVE, 5,002 TO AUTOCENTRIC AS WELL.
WHAT'S 50 22 AUTOCENTRIC? IT'S A, THERE IS A HOUSE THERE.
NO, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE ALL THOSE? THE BUILDINGS? THAT'S THE, UH, THIS IS A HOUSE WITH A, A LITTLE MOBILE HOME PARK BEHIND IT.
I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TURNING 50, 30 AND 50 0 2 INTO AUTOCENTRIC ALSO.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
NEGATIVE THIS 5,002 LAST MEETING, WE DID IDENTIFY THAT WE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT TO AUTOCENTRIC.
SO, SO NO ISSUE WE DID ALREADY.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU WANTED TO SPLIT 50 30.
AND WE CAN'T DO SPLITS APPARENTLY.
SO THIS IS WHAT IS EXISTING ON THAT LOT.
IT'S IN THE MACKEY FAMILY, THIS PROPERTY MM-HMM
AND SO THEY WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, BE CONSIDERED EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
SO NO ISSUE AS LONG AS, EXCUSE ME.
THEY CONTINUE TO EXIST AS IS MM-HMM
PERPETUITY UNTIL THEY WANNA CHANGE IT.
OR WE LEAVE IT AS IS IS URBAN TRANSITION WHERE THEY, THEY WOULD BE CONFORMING AS A DE A CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME.
ANYBODY OPPOSED TO, UH, AUTOCENTRIC ON 50 30? NO, WE'RE ALL THE SAME REASONS.
IF THEY SELL THAT, IT'S NO LONGER GRANDFATHERED IN, IS THAT CORRECT? IT STAYS IF, YEAH, IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY.
SO IS UM, OKAY, THE, AS LONG AS THE HOUSE CONTINUES TO EXIST, IT, IT WILL BE PERMITTED.
IT'S NONCONFORMING, RIGHT? EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
SO IF IT IS DEMOLISHED, UH, IN ANY CAPACITY, UH, MORE THAN 50%, THEN YEAH, THE NEW USE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S NOT A FLOODING AREA RIGHT THERE IN THE CITY ANYWAY.
IT DIDN'T FLOOD DURING HARVEY, SO THERE YOU GO.
WHILE HE'S LOOKING IT UP, DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER WHERE THE HECK WE STOPPED LAST TIME? I FEEL LIKE WE WERE ALL THE WAY OVER THERE BY COUNTRY CLUB, WEREN'T WE? WE WERE APPROXIMATELY AT COUNTRY CLUB IN FIVE 17.
AND THEN WE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE GOING SOUTH OF FIVE 17
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ALL THE WAY TO TROPICAL GARDENS.THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO, I BELIEVE IT'S OVER BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? WE GOTTA DO NORTH OF FIVE 17 AFTER THAT.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW? I CAN REMEMBER SOMETHING LIKE AN ELEPHANT.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, UH, WITH THE LAST PROPERTY, 4 1 1 5 GEORGIA.
UH, SAME STORY, OUTER CENTRIC FRONT, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, REAR.
UH, REALLY WOULD LIKE TO PICK ONE OR THE OTHER.
THEY'RE ALL AROUND AT THAT SOLUTION, RIGHT? YES.
THE REDS ARE RIGHT? UH, AUTOCENTRIC? YES MA'AM.
THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE BIG LOT AND, UH, BARNS ARE, RIGHT? YEP.
WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY DOING IS, IS CONTINUING TO IDENTIFY FIVE 17 AS THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR DOOR.
WHICH IS YES, WHICH SHOULD BE, YEAH.
SO THAT IS IT FOR THE ONES THAT WE SPLIT LAST TIME.
SO NOW I FIGURE OUT WHERE THE HECK I'M AT ON THIS.
DIDN'T WE STOP THERE AT BAYOU BEN? THAT, THAT PIECE OF REAL ESTATE RIGHT THERE ON TOP, THIS ONE UP FRONT RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE, I THINK WE CLOSED THAT ONE THOUGH.
I THINK WE GOT ALL THE WAY TO COUNTRY CLUB.
SO WE STAYED WEST OF COUNTRY CLUB, NOW WE'RE GOING EAST OF COUNTRY CLUB, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND WHAT IS THAT GREEN RIGHT THERE? UH, SO THIS IS OWNED AS MIXED USE.
UH, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EDC OWNED PROPERTY.
AND THERE'S A PROPOSED, UH, THEY OWN ALL THAT GREEN OR JUST THE LOT YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING? I BELIEVE IT IS ALL OF IT.
WHAT? THAT'S 15 ACRES OR SOMETHING, IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS.
THIS TRACT IS 20 IN THE REAR AND THIS TRACT IS 14.
THIS ONE IS NOT OWNED BY EDC, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE TRYING TO ACQUIRE IT.
THEY ARE TRYING TO ACQUIRE IT.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN ENOUGH LAND.
UH, SO THIS IS GONNA BE A, A GOOD, WELL, HOPEFULLY WE DO SOMETHING WITH IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
THIS IS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, THIS ONE WILL BE, IT, IT'S GONNA BE MIXED USE RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL.
THE ONE YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW, THAT IS A DRAINAGE DITCH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT KIND OF FALLS IN THAT CATEGORY OF WHAT I HAD PUT HISTORICALLY ABOUT THE CAN'T USE IT PROPERTIES.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE HIGHLIGHTED THING YOU'VE GOT THERE? IS THAT DRAINAGE? NO, THAT'S JUST MARSHLAND IN THE, UH, IT IS LOWER SECTION.
SO YEAH, I KNEW THAT THEY PURCHASED THAT TOP.
IF YOU WOULD, UH, HIGHLIGHT THE BOY I SUCKED AT, UH, GEOMETRY, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? TRAPEZOID? UH, I RECOMMEND THAT TRAPEZOID RIGHT THERE BE, UH, AUTOCENTRIC AND ONCE, UH, THEY'LL HAVE THE CHOICE OF CHANGING THAT LATER ON IF THEY WANTED TO OR REPLANT IT.
'CAUSE IT'S A PRETTY BIG LOT TOO.
IS IT NOT ALMOST 15? UH, IT IS, UH, IT IS ALMOST 15 ACRES.
UH, STAFF WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO KEEP IT AS MIXED USE AS IT IS KIND OF IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT THE EDC HAS FOR THAT PROPERTY.
IT IS GONNA BE MIXED USE WITH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO DOES EDC EVEN HAVE A REMOTE IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THIS OTHER THAN BUY IT? IT, IT'S, IT IS PURCHASED AND IT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE CURRENTLY.
THIS, THIS SHOULD BE BREAKING GROUND, UH, THE END OF THIS YEAR, BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.
THIS ONE'S COMING PRETTY QUICKLY FOR, FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA DO THE RETAIL, UH, PORTION FIRST.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND.
IS THE GREEN MIXED USE, BY THE WAY? YES, SIR.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LEAVING THAT ENTIRE LOT.
E EVERYBODY COOL WITH THAT? YEP, WE'RE GOOD.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IF THEY ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING.
AND THE OTHER, LEAVING THE WHOLE, LEAVING THE SECOND LOT THAT WAY TOO.
RIGHT? BECAUSE THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS.
WELL THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT PARCELS THERE.
NO, THE, THE BOTTOM IS A SINGLE PARCEL.
SO THERE, THERE IS ONE HERE AND THEN THERE'S ONE HERE.
BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME OWNER, RIGHT.
AND THEN LIKE WE TALKED, THIS IS THE COUNTY DRAINAGE EASEMENT DRAINAGE DISTRICT.
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AND APPARENTLY EDC IS WANTING TO TRY TO PURCHASE THAT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.THEY HAVE IN MIND THAT THAT WOULD BE MOST IDEAL.
I'M NOT OPPOSED, WHERE ARE WE GOING NOW? IS THERE ANY REASON TO CHANGE ANY OF THE REST OF THAT THAT'S THERE? WHAT IT CURRENTLY EXISTS? COUNTRY CLUB AND ALL THAT FROM SAS PER PERSPECTIVE? THIS, THIS AREA LOOKS OKAY TO ME.
UH, WHAT'S WHAT'S LIGHT YELLOW? GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN DARK YELLOW IS THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
NOW, WOULDN'T THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION BE BEST FOR LIKE, THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BACK THERE? THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS? NOT THAT THAT'S OLDER HOMES TALKING ABOUT, UH, LIKE BAYOU BEND AND, AND THIS OTHER ONE.
AND THE OTHER ONE, THEY, THEY ARE ZONED AS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
UH, SO THAT, THAT'S AN ALREADY PLATTED NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'S GONNA KEEP THE SAME CHARACTER OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S THERE.
GO UP TO GO BACK TO COUNTRY CLUB.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE SAME.
THE SAME YOU TALKING ABOUT OVER HERE? YEAH.
SO THIS, THIS AREA IS ZONED AS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
WELL, SO THESE LOTS, THESE LOTS HERE ARE, ARE NEVER GONNA CHANGE SIZE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH AS SMALL AS THEY'RE GONNA GET.
AND THE RATIONALE I COULD SEE FOR THIS BEING GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS IT WOULD ALLOW, UH, SOME OF THESE LOTS TO BE SPLIT INTO SMALLER LOTS.
IF, IF YOU KEEP IT AS IF YOU SWITCH IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, BE AVERAGING ALL THOSE LOTS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, I HAD IT BACKWARDS.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LEAVING THAT EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS.
ANYBODY ELSE COMMENTS? I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE.
WHAT ELSE WE GOT? UH, DID, DIDN'T WE COMPLETE EVERYTHING? UH, YEAH, WE'RE SOUTH OF THE BAYOU.
SO THEN WE GO UP HERE TO BRUCE DRIVE.
ACTUALLY, IS IT BRUCE DRIVE OR AVENUE? IT SAYS DRIVE, MAP SAYS DRIVE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, THAT'S WEIRD.
SO WE GOT, UH, ALL COMMERCIAL UP HERE.
AUTOCENTRIC ALONG FIVE 17, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD.
AND THE REST IS ALL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, CONSERVATION.
JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WHY THE, WHY THIS LOOKED FAMILIAR, BUT WE JUST WENT OVER THIS IN THE LAST MEETING.
SO LAST MEETING WE DID, UH, TAKE THIS PROPERTY FOR A VARIANCE TO THE LOT WIDTH.
I GUESS WE REALLY, WE CALL IT A WAIVER.
SO THIS IS ALL TROPICAL GARDENS HERE.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS SCREWED UP.
DIDN'T WE ACTUALLY REZONED THAT, DIDN'T WE MM-HMM
UH, WE DIDN'T RE RESIZE THE PLOTS.
WE, WE DID ACTUALLY, WE FIRST, WE REZONED IT AND THEN WE HAD TO GRANT A WAIVER, UH, FOR THE LOT WIDTH.
HE WANTED FOUR LOTS AND THEY WERE, THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY WERE JUST UNDER THE AVERAGE OF THE EXISTING LOTS.
SO WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY ADDRESSED ALL OF OF THIS.
HAVE WE NOT, HAS ANYBODY SEEN ANY NEED TO ADJUST THIS? ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.
AND HERE'S OUR CITY LIMITS RIGHT THERE.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THE CALL THAT, UH, FIVE 17 SOUTH WE ARE COMPLETE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS SOUTH OF FIVE 17? THEY WANNA REVISIT? IS IT? I DON'T.
AND IF THAT BEING SAID, TRAVIS, GOING NORTH OF FIVE 17, DID WE GET EVERYTHING THAT WAS LIKE CALIFORNIA AND ALL THAT STUFF? HOW FAR WEST? WE, I THINK WE STOPPED AT DICKINSON AVENUE.
AND THEN WE WENT SOUTH OF FIVE 17 AND, AND EAST.
WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO SLIDE, UH, WEST TO DICKINSON AVENUE? 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE THAT MIGHT BE WORTHY OF TALKING ABOUT.
ALRIGHT, WHAT'S THE BLUE AGAIN? SO, UH, REMEMBER, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS ONE LAST TIME, UH, BECAUSE THIS GENTLEMAN THAT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR DID COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND GOT HIS ZONING CHANGED TO DOWNTOWN.
AND SO Y'ALL, Y'ALL DID EXPRESS, UM, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT CHANGE TO AUTOCENTRIC.
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DID REACH OUT TO, UH, THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO KIND OF TALK WITH HIM ABOUT IF HE HAD ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT.UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE HIS PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED IN THE AUTOCENTRIC ZONE.
UH, SO HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF IT, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT MY USE, UH, HE DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
UM, SO HE, HE KIND OF PROPOSES A, IT'S NOT REALLY A LIVE WORK.
UM, BUT IT'S, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE RIGHT TERM.
ULTIMATELY AUTOCENTRIC SHOULD 'CAUSE BY HIS DESCRIPTION TO WHAT HE'S PLANNING ON DOING, I THINK THIS WILL BE TO HIS BENEFIT.
IT WILL DEFINITELY OPEN UP MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIM.
VERSUS THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT.
SO 43, 0 3 AND 40 15 AUTOCENTRIC.
AND THEN 38 11, THAT IS A TX AUCTIONS IS, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE.
THAT'S A, AND AGAIN, WE'RE STUCK IN THE SITUATION WHERE HALF OF THAT IS DEFINITELY AUTOCENTRIC AND IS ALREADY, OR SHOULD BE ALREADY.
AND THEN THE OTHER HALF KIND OF GOES BACK INTO SUBDIVISIONS, BUT WE CAN'T SPLIT IT UP.
SO, UH, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZED LOT.
I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF CONTINUING WITH AUTOCENTRIC WITH THAT.
AND THEN LIKE I SAID, SOMEBODY CAN REZONE HALF OF THE PLAT IF THEY WANNA REPL IT LATER.
WHAT ARE THESE? FORTY THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE OH TWO.
WHAT ARE THOSE HOUSES? I DON'T KNOW KNOW OR HOUSES, WHAT THAT IS EXACTLY.
THIS 38 11 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS KIND OF, IT KIND OF HAS FLIPPED HISTORICALLY BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.
YEAH, THAT'S A BIG WAREHOUSE RIGHT THERE.
SO YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY COMMERCIAL.
BUT NOW WHEN YOU GET UP TO FORTY THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY TWO OH TWO, THAT IS KIND OF HALFWAY COMMERCIAL.
BUT 4,300 IS DEFINITELY NOT THAT'S RESIDENTIAL.
AND, BUT THIS IS LIKE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S LIKE A SMALL SHOP OR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY'S WORKING OUT OF THERE.
CAN YOU SHOW US A STREET LEVEL ON 42 0 2 AND WHAT IS THE LOT DIRECTLY SOUTH OF IT? IT'LL GIMME THE VIEW.
BUT THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS THE, THE LOT JUST DUE SOUTH OF IT.
LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT LOT RIGHT THERE? YOU CLICKED ON? IS IT TIED TO ONE OF THOSE? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE USING THAT THESE TWO PARCELS AS ONE PROPERTY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT THERE LOOKS LIKE A HOME.
AND WHERE IT SAYS 42 0 2 IS BASICALLY JUST A SIDE LOT WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR STORAGE.
WELL, IS THAT A HOME? LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE.
THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A HOME.
YEAH, LIKE A GARAGE OR A SHOP.
AND IT'S WEIRD WITH ALL THOSE CARS PARKED.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ALL OUT OUTBUILDINGS, LIKE A LITTLE SKATE PARK RIGHT BACK IN THERE.
WAIT, GO, GO LEFT A LITTLE BIT.
I WANNA SEE IF THAT'S WHAT SIGN SAYS.
AND SO I HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH A FEW, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE TRIED TO OPEN BUSINESSES IN THIS LOCATION AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL PREVIOUSLY.
I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT LOT SHOULD STILL CONTINUE AS BEING COMMERCIAL NOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST OF THAT.
WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT ACTUALLY WHERE THAT RIGHT THERE? OH, THIS, THIS IS JUST LIKE A, IS THAT JUST PART OF THE RIGHT WAY OF THE CITY, SIR? STREET? YES SIR.
SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A LOT THEN.
SO WHEN, WHERE DID THE RESIDENTIAL PART AM? IF THIS IS ALL 4,300, I BELIEVE IS RESIDENTIAL.
RESIDENTIAL, UH, IF I WOULD MAKE THE SUGGESTION FOR 42 0 2 TO BE SMALL BUSINESS HERE.
YEAH, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT 4,300 IS REAL QUICK.
YEAH, IT'S A NICE LITTLE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS RIGHT THERE.
GOT A HOUSE MANUFACTURED HOME.
IS THAT RIGHT NEXT TO ALL THOSE CAR PLACES? IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE
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STREET.HERE'S, HERE'S THAT LOT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SKATEBOARD RAMP.
GARAGE, THERE'S A LITTLE HOUSE.
UH, YOU'RE 180 OUT THERE YOU GO.
WELL, CAN YOU REALLY ZONE THAT COMMERCIAL THEN IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL? NO, NO, NO.
BUT IT'S, IT'S QUITE, IT'S KIND OF THE END CAP TO THE STREET.
KINDA LIKE WHAT JOHN AND I BEING, THERE'S NO HOME THERE THAT'S JUST A BUNCH OF SERIES OF GARAGES.
SO SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A SMALL BUSINESS KINDA LIKE THE END OF THE, THE CAP STREET.
IS IT, IS IT ZONED PROPERLY FOR WHAT IT IS NOW? UH, RIGHT NOW THERE THERE IS OUT OF TRANSITION.
THERE IS NO USE THERE RIGHT NOW.
NO COMMERCIAL USE THERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THERE IS COMMERCIAL USE GOING ON, RIGHT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THERE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS SOMETIME LAST YEAR.
I FORGET THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THEY HAD THERE, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING AUTOMOTIVE RELATED.
UH, AND, AND THEY, THEY ENDED UP MOVING OUT BECAUSE WE, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY YEAH.
SO KIND OF MY THOUGHTS AGAIN IS KINDA LIKE THE END OF RAO AND EVERGREEN WHERE THIS IS KIND OF AN END CAP.
IT'S NOT REALLY IDEAL SIZE TO ACTUALLY PUT A WHOLE HOME THERE, BUT IT WOULDN'T, MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE FOR A SMALL BUSINESS KIND OF PLACE.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT FALLS IN THE SMALL BUSINESS CATEGORY, DEFINITELY NOT AUTOCENTRIC.
AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IT BACKS UP TO 4,300, I THINK, UH, WOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF 4,300.
I GUESS I HAVE A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH MAKING THAT COMMERCIAL.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE WHOLE THING IS NOT AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
I KNOW, BUT IT IT IS PROBABLY WORTH MENTIONING THESE TWO LOTS.
THEY WERE, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AND WITH THIS 4,300 NEXT TO IT, PARDON ME? WHEN WERE THE, THEY WERE BEFORE THE, WE REZONED IN 2024.
AND THE NEIGHBORING LOT WAS CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE DID HAVE A GENERAL COMMERCIAL LOT THAT, THAT BORDERED RESIDENTIAL.
SO THOUGHTS ON SMALL, EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? 4 0 2? YES SIR.
AND THEN, UH, 4,300 RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT 43 0 4 YET.
UH, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD STAY RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THAT POINT.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE.
WHY? UH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY DID THE UDC.
THEY TOOK ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR CITY AND TURNED AN URBAN TRANSITION.
I'M JUST, I'M BEING FACETIOUS.
UH, I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT STAYS IN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
UH, 4,300 ALL THE WAY TO KANSAS AND THAT LOT DIRECTLY SOUTH BEHIND 38 11.
WHAT IS 38 11? THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG LOT THAT WE SAID.
UH, COULD GO COMMERCIAL OR AUTOCENTRIC.
AND TRAVIS, WHAT IS THAT? UH, LOT BEHIND TO THE EAST OF 38 11.
DOES IT HAVE A HOME NAME? IS IT AN EXTENSION OF SOMETHING? RESIDENTIAL HOME.
I WOULD THINK THAT REMAINING A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION WOULD BE A GOOD CALL.
SO OTHER THAN 38, 11 AND 42 0 2.
THIS ENTIRE THING IS TO BECOME A, A RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION.
ALL RIGHT, SO SCROLLING TO THE NORTH SIR.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ALONGSIDE DICKINSON AVENUE ALL THE WAY TO THE CITY LIMITS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE HAVE FOR THIS LAST SECTION.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OLD HISTORY IN THAT WHOLE AREA.
IN FACT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA FIND A FEW ODDBALLS BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TOO.
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WHAT IS IT? PABLO'S BODY SHOP.THERE'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
SO GOING DOWN DICKINSON AVENUE LOOKS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL SO FAR ARE
WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE KICKING AROUND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON THIS VACANT LOT.
THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE IS VERY EMPTY.
MUD CORNER, THE SEVENTH IN DICKON AVENUE.
THIS ONE ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, DID I JUST JUMP AHEAD? ARE WE ON UH, 42 0 1? YES, SIR.
I JUST JUMPED ONE BLOCK TOO MANY.
THAT WHOLE BLOCK RIGHT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL.
THAT WHOLE BLOCK IS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE 4,300 BLOCK TO THE EAST NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND THEN GOING UP TO THE NEXT BLOCK UP, I'M LOOKING AT A VERY LARGE PARCEL LAND RIGHT THERE.
BUT I THINK THE ONE THAT HE'S ON RIGHT NOW, SHOULD THAT BE GENERAL COMMER, UH, EXCUSE ME.
UH, SO I, I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THESE TWO PROPERTIES.
YOU CAN SEE THE OWNERS, THIS WS FOUR HOMES.
UHHUH, WHO'S THE OWNER? WS FOUR HOMES.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF A LOCAL DEVELOPER.
UH, AND SO THEY DO HAVE A PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR THESE TWO LOTS.
THEY'VE HAD A, A, UH, SITE WORK PERMIT ISSUED.
SO THEY'VE KIND OF STARTED WORKING ON THE LOT.
DO, IS IT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT? CORRECT ME.
'CAUSE IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING HOMES, YEAH.
UNLESS, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING AT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS WHAT THEIR GOAL IS? NOT APARTMENTS, NOTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? UH, YES SIR.
SHOULD ALREADY BE PURPLE THEN.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE T IN BETWEEN 'EM? UH, SO IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY AND I BELIEVE WHEN THEY PLATTED THEY ACTUALLY ABANDONED THIS RIGHT OF WAY.
SHOULD ALL THREE OF THOSE BE PUT IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER THE WORD I'M TRYING TO GENERAL WOULD BE? GENERAL NOT NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE IT'S, IT THEY'D BE, IT'S NOT THERE YET.
WELL, IT, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD ALL BE THE SAME PLANNING, SO RIGHT.
GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND THAT ALL THREE OF THEM.
SO IF WE CORRECT, IF WE DO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE, UH, THEN THAT WOULD SET, UH, YOU KNOW, DEFINE STANDARDS FOR LOT SIZE AND SETBACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WILL HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO STRUGGLE.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT TEAM? I HEARD SAY RIGHT AWAY, BUT IS IT USEFUL FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN I'M ASSUMING ROAD? YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEY ARE GONNA PUT A, YOU KNOW, A ROAD THROUGH THERE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONFIGURED NECESSARILY LIKE THIS ONE.
SO IT'S LARGE ENOUGH THEY COULD CUT A ROAD TO IT.
WHAT IS THAT? UH, THAT IS THE AUTO REPAIR PLACE FROM HELL.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS WITH AND FOR 25 OF, THEY HAD CARS STACKED UP ON TOP OF FORMERLY.
UH, IT GET CLEANED UP TREMENDOUSLY.
IT HAS BEEN BOUGHT, UH, BY A NA, A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF MR. DONALD DOYLE.
THEY INSULATION, THEY DRASTICALLY, I FORGOT THEY DO WHAT THEY DO.
SPRAY FOAM INSULATION FOR HOUSES.
AND SO THEY DID, THEY GOT RID OF ALL THESE TRAILERS.
UH, THEY GOT THIS DUMPSTER MOVED BACK OVER HERE.
THEY STARTED CLEANING UP THIS SIGN AND SOME OTHER STUFF.
REMEMBER WHAT ACTUALLY, LIKE A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS LIKE A HUNDRED CARS PARKED ON THAT PROPERTY.
I'VE SEEN FOR 30 YEARS LOOK BETTER.
AND HE ACTUALLY, UH, DEMOLISHED THIS HOME.
'CAUSE THIS IS ALL ONE PARCEL.
AND SO HE DEMOLISHED THIS HOME AND THERE WAS A GARAGE BACK HERE THAT HE ALSO DEMOLISHED.
I THOUGHT THAT BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY STAFF STRAP TO, OR STRAP TO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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UM, THAT'S FURTHER DOWN.WHAT IS THAT? SO ARE YOU TELLING ME 42 17 AND 42 13 ARE FOR ALL INTENTS PER, ARE THEY STILL OWNED BY A 35 13 ALSO? THESE, THESE TWO? YEAH.
I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT OWNER.
ON 35, 13, YOU WERE SHOWING THOSE BUILDINGS.
THEY'RE GONE NOW, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THESE TWO ARE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE.
I STILL WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
35 13 WOULD BE, UM, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL OR AUTOCENTRIC AUTOCENTRIC BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY GOT.
AND THEN BEHIND IT IN 43 0 2, THAT IS IN FACT RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S, THERE'S A HOUSE OVER THERE IN THE CORNER RIGHT HERE.
WHAT'S BEHIND IT? RIGHT HERE? NO, UH, UP THERE IN THE RED AND STUFF UP THERE.
WHAT IS THAT BACK THERE? IS THAT COMMERCIAL BEHIND? NO, THAT, THAT'S ALL, UH, RESIDENTIAL URBAN TRANSITION IS WHAT IT'S IDENTIFIED AS CURRENTLY.
THESE BILL, WHAT'S 43 0 1, EXCUSE ME.
THE CURRENT USE IS THEY LOOK RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT WHAT IS EXISTING THERE? 43 0 1.
GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP SIR.
YOU SEE THE SWIM POOL? WELL THAT GOES TO THAT HOUSE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ONE HECK OF A WORKSHOP IN THE BACK.
YEAH, IT SURE DOES LOOK LIKE THAT.
HONESTLY, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A MM-HMM
BUT SEE THAT BACK THERE? THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING BACK THERE.
I SO WHAT ARE THOSE ZONED NOW? THOSE TWO? URBAN TRANSITION.
ALL OF THAT RIGHT THERE IS URBAN TRANSITION.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THESE CHANGE BACK TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
OR UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, NOT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FRONT OF IT IS A HOME OR RESIDENCE IN THE BACK PART.
LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL THOUGH.
YEAH, IT DOES LOOK LIKE HE'S DOING SOMETHING BACK THERE, DOESN'T IT? YEAH.
SURELY I'M NOT PARKING MY WORK TRUCKS BEHIND MY HOUSE.
AM I
ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT SIR.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE SOLID ON THOSE.
SO THESE TWO, TWO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, CORRECT? MM-HMM
AND THEN THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S RIGHT OF WAY JUST DUE SOUTH OF IT.
UH, AND THAT BEING SAID, I SEE 35TH IS DEAD ENDED.
IS THERE ANY I'M, I'M DIGRESSING.
IS THERE EVER A PLAN TO UH, CONNECT THOSE? NOT NECESSARILY.
DO WE WANNA CALL THAT? JUST UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OVER HERE.
CONSERVATION 34 0 1 42 11 42 13.
THAT WHOLE BLOCK, WHAT IS 42 17? OH THAT'S A HOUSE.
ARE THEY CONNECTED? THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY SPLITTING THEM.
OR MAYBE A MONTANA GUESS BOTTOM LINE.
HOW DO WE HAVE TWO PARCELS OF THE SAME NUMBER THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED? THEY'RE DIFFERENT STREETS.
YOU STILL CAN'T HAVE THE SAME PARCEL NUMBER THEY DO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO DO 38 25 AND THERE'S A 38, 25 ROUTE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO
THIS IS A 34TH STREET ADDRESS AND THIS IS A MONTANA ADDRESS.
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UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION FOR THE WHOLE BLOCK IF THEY'RE HOMES.AND THEN DUE NORTH OF THAT IS ALL MOBILE HOME PARK.
AND WE HAVE THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
LET'S LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, SO CAN THEY ARE, AS THEY SIT, THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING.
'CAUSE THE MANUFACTURE HOME PARK OR SUBDIVISION IS ONLY PERMITTED IN RURAL AND ESTATE OR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF, I'D KINDA LIKE TO KEEP IT THERE BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IT'S FLOOD OR SOMETHING, THEN THEY CANNOT, IT CAN'T GO BACK THAT WAY.
IT CAN'T BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
IT'S GOTTA BE, I WANT IT TO STAY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT STILL NO, I WAS GONNA SAY IF THEY CAN'T GO BACK TO THE PICTURE PLEASE.
AS, AS CONSERVATION, THAT MEANS BASICALLY WHENEVER IT'S, IF THEY WIPE THIS WHOLE THING OFF OR REBUILT IT, THEY, I MEAN THE CURRENT PLAN IS, IS MOBILE HOMES, THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.
WHICH IF WE'RE TRYING, BUT IF THEY PUT IT AS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, DO YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
WE'D LIKE TO GET RID OF THOSE.
SO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION WOULD BE A NICE THING TO STAY, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD CITY COUNCIL SAY.
SO THAT WOULD, LET'S KEEP IT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION BECAUSE BUT WHAT'S IT COMPARING TO IS KIND OF MY POINT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO AS, AS FAR AS LOTS CONGREGATION, YOU HAVE TO COMPARE IT TO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN THOSE ARE, ARE NOT CONSECUTIVE, YOU KNOW, UH, LET, LEMME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH WITH THE, THE MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS.
UH, BECAUSE THE UDC WHEN WE REZONED IT DID EFFECTIVELY MAKE ALL MOBILE HOME PARKS NONCONFORMING.
AND SO, UM, WHEN WE DO THAT, THE SITE IS, IS LOCKED IN TO EXIST AS THEY EXIST.
THEY CAN INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOMES, UH, AS AS MANY SITES AS THEY HAVE EXISTING AS AS MANY AS THEY CAN HAVE.
UM, THE SETBACKS, WE GO OFF OF THE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED CHAPTER NINE ORDINANCE, UH, THAT REQUIRES IT'S LIKE A 15 FOOT FRONT YARD AND, AND THE PROPERTY STANDARDS ARE, ARE LAID OUT IN THAT CHAPTER NINE.
AND SO GOING FORWARD A NEW HOME THAT'S REPLACING AN EXISTING HOME, UH, WE JUST GO BY THOSE, THOSE EXISTING STANDARDS, UH, FROM CHAPTER NINE.
UH, BUT IT IS A GOOD POINT THAT DUE TO THEIR NONCONFORMING STATUS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T EXPAND.
THEY HAVE TO EXIST AS THEY ARE.
AND IF THEY CEASE TO EXIST AS A MOBILE HOME PARK FOR A PERIOD OF 12 MONTHS, THEN THAT USE CANNOT BE REESTABLISHED.
SO, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CONSERVATION AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL THAT I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT SHOULD GO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL 'CAUSE LOOK ALL AROUND IT, THE DIFFERENT SIZES, THESE ARE ALL PRETTY DADGUM.
AND IF THIS ENTIRE PLACE HAD NO MORE OR UH, MOBILE HOMES ON IT ALL, SO NOW YOU'VE JUST GOT ONE BIG SQUARE LOT.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DEVELOP THAT AND BUILD A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ONE ACRE LOTS.
IT, IT WOULDN'T BE COST EFFECTIVE FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE.
WELL THAT'S WHY YOU WANT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION BECAUSE IT COULD NO, 'CAUSE IT'D HAVE TO BE ONE ACRE LOTS.
IS IT? IT IT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE OF WHAT EXISTS ON THE BLOCK FACE.
SO IT IS A GOOD POINT THAT THERE ARE THE LOTS ON THIS BLOCK FACE ARE LARGE.
UH, SO YOU KNOW BY WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, THE AVERAGE OF THE BLOCK FACE, THE LOSS WOULD, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE AN ACRE, BUT THEY WOULD BE LARGER THAN LIKE A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WOULD ALLOW.
AND SO REALLY I GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS THEM TO BUILD UP BASED ON OUR RULES WIDE OPEN.
SEE, THE, THE THING IS THAT THAT UH, THAT I, THIS IS JUST MY SAYING IT, THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES THAT WE HAVE CAN, CAN, UH, DEVELOP LOTS THAT ARE ALL THE SAME.
THERE ARE FEWER PLACES THAT WE HAVE THAT UH, CAN HAVE LARGER LOTS LIKE THIS.
AND, AND THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
I FEEL LIKE MOST OF OUR CITY IS LARGER LOTS OTHER THAN THE, THE NEWER SUBDIVISIONS.
THAT'S THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE ALL GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LOTS THE SAME.
IF IF THIS, AGAIN PICTURE THIS ENTIRE LOT CLEARED AND IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO REPLANT IT AS RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION, YOU CAN ONLY PUT PROBABLY 10 HOMES IN THAT ENTIRE BLOCK RIGHT THERE.
NOW, IF A DEVELOPER WANTED TO COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WANNA BUY THAT WHOLE LOT AND I WANNA DEVELOP THIS, HE COULD ONLY SELL 10 HOMES IN THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE.
AS OPPOSED TO IF HE WANTED TO SELL 50 HOMES.
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THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND A, A ZONING CHANGE IF THEY WERE TO REDEVELOP IT AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN MOBILE HOME PARK.WHENEVER THAT TIME WOULD COME, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ZONE IT AS, AS SOMETHING ELSE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT DOES, I GUESS THE SAYING GOES, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE HILL TO DIE ON AT THIS MOMENT.
'CAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO FOR A FUTURE.
IT DOES THOUGH BECAUSE IF YOU DEVELOP, IF YOU PUT, IF YOU CHANGE IT TO GENERAL COM COMMERCIAL, THEN YOU CAN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, THEN YOU COULD HAVE ALL, ALL THE OTHER THINGS CAN'T YOU? YEAH.
IF IF IT SWITCH TO GENERAL COM, I MEAN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CONFORMING.
UH, SO YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE CONFORMING.
DO YOU, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING THOUGH? HE'S SAYING AS IT SITS IN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IS NON-CONFORMING.
IF WE SWITCH IT TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, IT WOULD BE CONFORMING.
AND SO, AND THAT MEANS THAT THEY COULD BE REBUILD GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS MOBILE YES.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING I COMPLETELY SEE YOUR POINT.
SOMEBODY FINALLY GOT THROUGH THE GUY
ONE FOR DEBORAH, WE WANT TO KEEP IT NONCONFORMING SO WE CAN GET THOSE MULTIPLE I CONCUR MANUFACTURING HOMES OUT OF THERE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD ALL STAY, UH, AUTOCENTRIC.
IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THE RED? YES SIR.
WHAT IS THAT? SO I BELIEVE SOMEONE, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL, LIKE THIS ONE, THERE'S A REALLY BIG BUILDING RIGHT THERE.
WHAT'S 31? YEAH, THE ONE YOU HIGHLIGHTED.
WHAT IS THAT? 31 15 IS A RESIDENCE.
AND A RESIDENCE DOOR NEXT TO AND AND THAT IS GONNA BE THE OLD DAYCARE.
THIS ONE, THE OWNER, UH, HAS BEEN KIND OF KICKING TIRES A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME TYPE OF TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING SERIOUS ABOUT IT, BUT THEY TRIED TO TURN THAT INTO A CHURCH ABOUT A YEAR AGO, TWO YEARS AGO AND MM-HMM
COULDN'T MEET ANY OF THE RULES OF IT AND THE, THE WHOLE BUILDING'S IN POOR, POOR CONDITION.
SO YEAH, THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO ALRIGHT, GO BACK TO THE MAP.
UM, THIS ONE HERE AND THEN THOSE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING IS THAT GO ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IS THAT 42, 15, 42, 0 5 AND AND 31.
SO ALL THREE OF THOSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
ALL THREE OF THOSE APPEAR TO BE RESIDENTIAL OR WHAT? YEAH.
THEY'RE ZONED AS AUTOCENTRIC CURRENTLY.
AND WHERE, PARDON ME? WHERE IS THE, UH, OLD DAYCARE? IS THAT 31 0 1 30.
PARDON ME? WHAT IS 31 0 1? THAT'S, I BELIEVE THAT WAS RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
SO 31, THESE FOUR ARE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEY ARE, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL HOMES ON IT.
SO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION.
YEAH, I, I WOULD THINK THAT MAKES SENSE, WOULDN'T YOU? NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? 30 19 RECOMMENDATION JUST IN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR WHATEVER THAT IS.
ARE THOSE FOUR LOTS THAT ARE NUMBERED THERE ON THE SOUTH AND THEN 30 19 WOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC.
AND THEN 30 19 WOULD BE, UM, AUTOCENTRIC.
'CAUSE THE FACT THAT IT USED TO BE A DAYCARE.
AND YOU KNOW, DICKINSON AVENUE IS STILL KIND OF A THOROUGHFARE MAN.
IS THAT WHERE OUR PROPERTY LINE STOPS? COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? WHAT, WHAT'S 31? WHAT'S 30? OH 3001 AND 42.
THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST REAL SPOTTY RESIDENTIAL HERE TOO.
SO WE'RE STICKING, WE'RE WE'RE STICKING A COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS STUFF BECAUSE IT IS COMMERCIAL.
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IS IS A HOUSE, RIGHT? CORRECT.WHAT'S THE ORANGE AGAIN? SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
AND I THINK A WAS, THERE'S A BAR RIGHT HERE.
HUH? IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING.
IT'S COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE, AND FORGIVE ME, IS ZONE ZOOM OUT QUITE A BIT.
WHAT'S BLUE? SO THAT, UH, IS NOT WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
BLUE IS NOT WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
I BELIEVE THEY FOUGHT, UH, ANNEXATION.
ZOOM, ZOOM OUT SOME MORE PLEASE.
SO YEAH, THIS PARCEL HERE, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? IS THAT BLUE COUNTY? YES, IT'S, IT IS IN UNINCORPORATED GALSTON COUNTY.
IS THAT HIGHWAY THREE I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE? NO, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? I THINK THIS IS, THAT'S A RAILROAD TRACK.
WHAT AM I, YEAH, THIS IS HILL RIGHT HERE.
THIS SHOWS SO THAT BLUE COULD HAVE BEEN ANNEXED BEFORE THEY HAD THE, THE, THE LAW CHANGED, RIGHT.
IT JUST, WE COULD HAVE JUST DONE IT.
WELL, ALL THAT DARK BLUE UP THERE, TEXAS CITY TRIED TO GIVE IT TO US 10 YEARS AGO.
CERTAIN PEOPLE ON COUNCIL WERE AGAINST IT.
AND, AND THAT BLUE IN THE MIDDLE, BY THE WAY, LET ME MAKE YOUR HEAD HURT.
YOU KNOW WHO OWNS ALL THAT DARK BLUE BY THE WAY? MM-HMM.
THE LIGHT BLUE IS LEAGUE CITY.
WELL, WHO, WHO OWNS THIS PART?
YEAH, BUT WE, THERE WAS A TIME WE COULD HAVE JUST HAD THAT WITHOUT YEAH, YEAH.
I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR ON IT, BUT IT, UH, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RESIDENTS PETITIONED TO, TO FIGHT THE ANNEXATION OF THAT, THAT AREA.
BY THE WAY, PAT HOWLEY WAS READY TO GIVE EVERYTHING SOUTH OF 6 46 TO DICKINSON.
WHY? WHY WOULD WE WANT THAT NORTH PART OF HIGHWAY THREE? NO, I MEAN, WE WOULD WANT IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, UM, BUT THE REASON I WAS ASKING YOU TO ZONE OUT, ZOOM OUT IS FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT ALL THAT, HAVE WE ACTUALLY GONE OVER ALL THIS STUFF TO THE, THE WEST HERE? NOT THAT I WANNA DRAG THIS OUT ANY FURTHER, BUT I I DON'T FEEL LIKE BASICALLY HIGHWAY THREE TO, UH, DICKINSON AVENUE.
DID WE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THAT? I DON'T THINK WE DID.
WE, WE STOPPED AT HIGHWAY THREE.
I I'M SURE THAT THAT WAS, I HAD NO IDEA THAT BE TRUTH, THINK THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
AM I RIGHT TRAVIS? I'M TRYING TO RECALL AS WELL.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE GOT ALL THE WAY THE WEST SIDE HIGHWAY THREE OF HIGHWAY THREE HIGHWAY DIXON AVENUE.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT NORTH OF FIVE 17.
RIGHT ON, LET'S, LET'S RUN THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO THAT'S ALL GENERAL COMMERCIAL THERE, AUTOCENTRIC NOR THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A REASON NOT TO TAKE THAT LAND BACK THEN.
IF YOU WILL SCROLL DOWN TO FIVE 17.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S ALL DOWNTOWN.
SO I, I KNOW WE GOT UP TO THIS DOWNTOWN AREA 'CAUSE WE SHRANK DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY.
THAT'S SCHOOL DISTRICT 4,003 SCHOOL DISTRICT, 4,005 SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT'S ALL.
UM, I THINK WE DID COMMERCIAL FIVE.
YEAH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THOUGH IT MAY BE.
WE NEED TO IDENTIFY IT AS AUTOCENTRIC I GUESS SINCE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING IT FOR.
AND THEN, UH, 27 14 ALL THE WAY OVER TO HILL.
I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL AND I THINK MOST OF THAT WE'RE GONNA FIND IS RESIDENTIAL GOING UP IN THERE.
EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE, UH, THE BUS BARN AND CHICAGO.
THOSE SHOULD ALL BE, UH, RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION THAT STRIP BETWEEN 36 20 AND 27.
LEAVE THIS COMMERCIAL ON, ON THE HIGHWAY THREE FRONTAGE.
YEAH, IT WHAT I MEAN WE MIGHT AS WELL LEAVE THAT THERE.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE IS A HOUSE THERE.
UM, WHAT'S THAT LIGHT BLUE AGAIN? THAT'S THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IF YOU WILL, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE SQUARE WITH 35 0 8 IN THE MIDDLE
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OF IT.I DON'T, UH, I CAN'T SAY AS I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL THAT IS.
IT'S PRETTY GOOD SIZED LOTS TOO.
UH, I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE EITHER.
LET'S SEE, WHICH WAY AM I LOOKING HERE? SO THIS IS CHICAGO.
WHY'D IT PUT ME THERE? I WANT TO BE ON HILL.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS, UH, I FORGET HER NAME.
SO THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME UP AT THE FRONT.
UH, I WAS NOT AWARE IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK LIKE THIS.
BUT THAT'S TONY EMMETT'S SISTER.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT PROPERTY WENT THAT FAR BACK.
IT KIND OF HAS A, YOU KNOW, A TREE LINE OR SOMETHING IN THIS AREA, SO YOU CAN'T SEE WHY YOU DON'T REALIZE IT.
UM, I, I'M, I'M GOING TO SEEING AS THE SIZE OF 35 0 2 AND THIRTY FIVE OH EIGHT.
SHOULD WE CALL THAT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE I THINK IF, UH, IF WE CALL IT, UH, RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION, DOES THAT KIND OF MESS IT UP? IT, IT COULD BE CHALLENGING TO DIVIDE IT UP IF IT, IF THEY DO WISH TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
CAN I SEE 35 0 2? THERE'S ONE HOUSE UP IN THE RIGHT UNDERNEATH SVA.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THESE PROPERTIES WERE SO LONG.
I TELL YOU WHAT LADIES, GENTLEMEN, I'M DEFINITELY GETTING TO KNOW MY CITY BETTER THAN I THOUGHT I KNEW.
SO THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE UP FRONT.
GO BACK TO THE MAP SIR, PLEASE.
UM, WHAT ARE Y'ALL THOUGHTS ON TURNING THIS INTO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD GIVE SOMEBODY THE OPTION TO DEVELOP IT IF THEY WANTED TO PURCHASE ALL OF IT.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE CONSERVATION WOULD CREATE HAVOC WITH THOSE THREE LOTS BEING MASSIVE.
THAT ENTIRE CUBE SHOULD BE A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
BUT A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO DEVELOP A, YOU KNOW, MAKE A, A SUBDIVISION IF THEY WANTED TO.
UM, GOING TO THE WEST OF THERE, SIR.
UM, BETWEEN 35, 16, 35, 13 AND 19.
UH, DO WE HAVE A COUPLE BLOCKS RIGHT THERE? UP TO YOUR, RIGHT DOWN? SEE 35 16, GO DO WEST OF IT.
NO, YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
NOW YOU SEE HOW WE HAVE THAT BLOCK RIGHT THERE TO THE, THE SOUTHWEST OF IT, RIGHT THERE? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
MARIA
WHAT IS IT? I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THERE.
SO IT'S BEHIND URBAN TRANSITION LOTS OR THERE? NO, WAIT, WHAT IS THE BREAD? AUTOCENTRIC? YEAH, AUTOCENTRIC.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE FIX IT SHOP IS OR THE SMALL, UH, MOTOR REPAIR THAT'S RIGHT DOWN HERE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME OWNER OF THIS PARCEL OWNS THIS LANE LOCKED ONE AS WELL.
SO WHAT'S 35 19? UM, THAT IS GONNA BE THE SMALL ENGINE REPAIR SHOP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
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I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY THIS, UH, YEAH, THAT'S THE SMALL ENGINE REPAIR SHOP RIGHT THERE.SO THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE THING IS AUTOCENTRIC THAT, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL.
UM, SO 35, 19 AND THAT LANDLOCKED LOT IS FOR ALL INTENTS PURPOSES CONNECTED 35 19 AS FAR AS THEY OWN IT TOGETHER, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME.
NO, UH, 35, 13 IS THE SAME OWNER AS AS THIS AH, OKAY.
EZ, RIGHT? WHAT'S 27 11? THIS ONE? MM-HMM
PROBABLY GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL.
I'M KIND OF WHY DID THAT GET MADE AUTOCENTRIC? RIGHT? WE GOT RESIDENTIAL THERE.
THE BACKSIDE OF THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
WHAT, WHAT? OH, THIS IS THE END OF CHICAGO
THIS THE END OF CHICAGO RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME? THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME.
SO THAT SHOULDN'T, BOTH, BOTH OF THEM ARE, ARE NOT INHABITED CURRENTLY.
OH, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE.
AND THIS ONE, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
AND 36 0 1 AND 36 11 ARE ARE COMMERCIAL? YES, MA'AM.
AND I BELIEVE 27 11 UP TO 28, 13.
THAT SHOULD BE, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
WHERE 27 11 TO UP TO YOUR RIGHT.
THAT SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
CAN YOU ZOOM BACK OUT? WHAT IS 27 19? IS THAT 27 11, MA'AM? NO, I'M SAYING WHAT IS 27 19? THAT'S RESIDENTIAL LOT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A HOME ON IT OR NOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU WOULD PUT ONE.
YEAH, I DO BELIEVE THERE'S AN EXISTING RESIDENCE THERE.
WELL, THIS WHOLE BLOCK ALL THE WAY TO 28 21.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S ALL A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THROUGH THERE.
AND THEN 35, 16 IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL.
ALL THAT SH ALL OF THAT SH I BELIEVE SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL CON, UM, CONSERVATION.
YOU AGREE? OR THOUGHTS? THE HORSESHOE ALL THE WAY AROUND 35, 13 AND 35 19.
ALL THAT SHOULD STAY COMMERCIAL.
THEY'RE ALREADY LABELED CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE.
THE, THE DARK IS CONSERVATION, RIGHT? DARK YELLOW.
YEAH, I THINK ALL THE WAY UP TO DEETS ROAD.
AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT'S THAT BIG ORANGE? SO THAT IS A SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
I I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS LOT AVENUE C HMM.
SEEMS LIKE THAT'S OUTTA PLACE, BUT MAYBE NOT.
IT'S THAT EMPTY, EMPTY FIELD BEHIND THESE APARTMENTS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA STAY WITH THAT ONE BIG OLD LOT BEING SMALL.
IS THERE ANY MERITS, UH, IN THAT BECOMING, I MEAN, IT'S A BIG LOT.
DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN ANYTHING FOR AUTOCENTRIC? I MEAN, IT'S ON THE BACK OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET FROM A RAILROAD.
IT'S ABOUT AS IDEAL A PLACE FOR A COMMERCIAL.
YOU WANNA LOOK THROUGH THE USES PERMITTED IN SMALL SCALE.
WE'RE IN THIS COLUMN RIGHT HERE.
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GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE COMMERCIAL 'CAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT.SO, UH, RESTAURANTS, FOOD, TRUCK, COTS, UM, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
LIQUOR STORE, VAPING TOBACCO STORE.
RETAIL, VETERINARY SERVICES, MICRO MANUFACTURING.
ON A SMALL SCALE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
NEEDS TO BE AUTOCENTRIC, I THINK.
I'M KIND OF, OF A MIND TO CALL IT THAT.
ANYBODY WANNA MAKE THAT, UH, LARGE BLOCK AUTOCENTRIC.
KIND OF LIMIT, LIMIT WHAT'S THERE.
UH, IF WE COULD SLIDE BACK TOWARD, SO WE'RE CHANGING THAT TOWARD, UH, HIGHWAY THREE, SIR.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE BLUE SQUARE FROM HELL, HUH? YEAH.
THAT'S OUR ACTUAL CITY LIMIT GOING TOWARD.
SO NOW WE'RE ALL THE WAY UP TO HILL STREET.
NOW WE CAN SLIDE TO THE RIGHT.
AND WHAT'S THE BIG PURPLE? THAT'S GONNA BE THE CITY AND COUNTY OWNED, CORRECT.
WHAT IS PURPLE AGAIN? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S INDUSTRIAL.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM.
THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY YARD IS ALSO FOR ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT ZONE.
BEING THAT IT'S PURPLE, WE SURE DON'T SEE THAT MUCH, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE ONLY HAVE, UH, TWO OR THREE INDUSTRIAL PARCELS IN THE WHOLE CITY.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLEAR UP NORTH OF THE, UH, NO MAN'S LAND THERE SHOULD, UH, ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S THE BASEBALL FIELD, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE THAT LISTED AS, OKAY.
THAT'S CURRENTLY LISTED AS CONSERVATION, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
UH, I BELIEVE THOSE TWO LOTS SHOULD BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL SHOULD THEY NOT SEEING AS THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO COMPARE IT TO IN THE AREA.
NOW, GRANTED AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IS THAT CITY OWNED? UH, I BELIEVE BOTH THESE NO, IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
I BELIEVE THE, UH, LITTLE LEAGUE CHURCH.
IS IT THE CHURCH OR IS IT LITTLE LEAGUE THAT OWNS IT? CHURCH.
WHAT, WHAT DO THEY WANT? THIS IS DICKSON LITTLE LEAGUE.
SO, WELL, THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY.
I THOUGHT THEY HAD PURCHASED THAT.
SO WHAT DID, WHAT DID THEY WANNA DO WITH THAT PROPERTY THEN? 32 0 2? YEAH.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A IDENTIFIED PROJECT FOR THAT PROPERTY.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CALL THOSE TWO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY.
WHY? IF THEY EVER DEVELOP THAT INTO A SPORTS COMPLEX, WOULD THAT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY? YEAH.
THERE IS A LAKE, PARK SOFTBALL.
THOSE ARE BOTH BIG ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
SO PARKS AND OPEN SPACES ARE PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICT EVERYWHERE.
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A PARK PUBLIC OR SOMETHING? DICKINSON DOESN'T HAVE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M IN THOUGH, IS NO, THE LITTLE LEAGUE BOUGHT IT A WHILE BACK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UH, JESSE, UH, BRANTLEY FACILITATED THAT.
IT WASN'T VERY LONG AGO IF IT, SO YEAH.
IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN A CHEAP PURCHASE.
UH, I THINK IT WAS A LOT OF DONATION BUILT INTO IT TO PUT IT UNDER THE LITTLE LEAGUE, UH, UMBRELLA.
UM, SO THAT, WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE, WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THAT TO BE LIKE, UH, URBAN TRANSITION OR SOMETHING? BECAUSE IF YOU STICK IT ON RESIDENTIAL, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY EVER NOT WANT TO DO IT.
I MEAN, IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TECHNICALLY WOULD BE A SMALL SCALE.
IT'S, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SOME THINK OF, UM, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS A SPORTS COMPLEX, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO BIG LEAGUE DREAMS. IT WOULDN'T BE LITTLE LEAGUE.
BUT, BUT THE, BUT SO GO BACK TO THE MAPS.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'D WANT TO KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE YOU WANNA HAVE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
AVAILABILITY FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK, I MEAN, WELL, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DEBORAH AND I, I DON'T EVEN HAVE
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A GOOD ARGUMENT AGAINST IT.'CAUSE BUT ALL I'M THINKING ABOUT IS ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, SIR.
SO THAT DEETS AREA RIGHT THERE IS A TERRIBLE LITTLE PATCH OF ROAD AS FAR AS, IT'S JUST THE TWO LANES.
THERE'S BIG DITCHES EITHER SIDE, GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT IS HAZARDOUS ON A GOOD DAY.
THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING, ARE THEY WANTING TO EXPAND DEETS? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING GREAT TO THE DRAINAGE PROJECT AND THEY'RE REPAIRING THAT ROAD AS THEY GO DOWN.
I'M, I'M STILL LOOKING AT THIS AND I, ALBEIT IT'S NOT DICKINSON, I KNOW, BUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DIETS, THESE ARE ALL VERY SMALL LOTS, UH, LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN YOU GOT THE NOVO CENTER, WHICH IS A BIG INDUSTRIAL AREA ALSO.
WE GOT OUR OWN INDUSTRIAL AREA RIGHT THERE FOR THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT NO MAN'S LAND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THAT.
BUT ALL OF THIS STUFF TO THE EAST OF HERE, THOSE ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL HOMES.
IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO, UH, HILLS, UH, TO DICKINSON AVENUE.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL RESIDENTIAL THROUGH THERE.
OTHER THAN THE CHURCH AND THE BALLPARK.
THERE'S A FEED STORE RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S A, YEAH, THERE IS A FEED STORE FOR THE FEED STORE.
THERE'S THE FEED STORE'S ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND THEN, UH, YEAH, I GUESS THAT COULD BE COMMERCIAL.
YOU KNOW WHAT, DEBORAH? YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT TURNING THE, THE CURRENTLY HIGHLIGHTED LOT INTO, UH, AUTOCENTRIC AND THEN THE SAME 32 0 2? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT ONE? YEAH, SAME THING.
NICKSON LITTLE LEAGUE OWNS BOTH THOSE LOTS.
31 0 1 IS OWNED BY THE BALLPARK.
YOU WANNA TURN THEM INTO AUTO? MM-HMM
SO I'M SURE WHAT, HOW THAT WOULD, WHAT, 10 10 ACRES? PROBABLY.
THEY'RE BOTH FIVE, FIVE AND FIVE.
AND THAT MIGHT BE A, YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS, THAT MIGHT BE A BRILLIANT IDEA WITH OHIO GOING DOWN THERE THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO 32.
OH ONE'S GONNA STAY A BALLPARK FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING ADJACENT TO SAID BALLPARK.
I'M GLAD YOU THOUGHT OF THAT, DEBORAH.
YOU ALL RIGHT?
YOU COOL WITH THAT TRAVIS? INDEED.
GUYS, COOL WITH THAT? VERY, I THINK THAT'S A GRAND IDEA.
ARE YOU PHIL, MORE COMMERCIAL? UH, WELL, AUTO GETS MORE AVAILABILITY.
YOU'RE OKAY WITH BOTH OF 'EM? YEAH.
THE LITTLE LEAGUE HADN'T DEVELOPED THAT INTO SOMETHING SIMILAR FIELD OF GREEN, MAYBE NOT ON THAT GRAND SCALE.
YOU NEVER KNOW, BUT POTENTIAL GIVE THEM THE POTENTIAL.
BUT IF THEY'RE BOTH AUTOCENTRIC, IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
AND THIS IS A BIG SIZED LOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
I THINK THOSE ARE JUST RESIDENTIAL AND SHOULD STAY THAT WAY.
WHAT IS THAT? IS THE, UH, THAT'S A BALLPARK IS DOWN IN THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEN THE LIVING FAITH CHURCH IS TO THE RIGHT.
AND, UH, I'M KIND OF A MIND TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST DID ON THOSE OTHER TWO LOTS.
UH, THE CHURCH IS THE CHURCH UNTIL IT'S NOT A CHURCH.
KINDA LIKE EVERYONE WE'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR.
IS THE CHURCH STILL ON THE, UH, LET ME THAT BALLPARK.
I THINK IT'S A SOFTBALL PARK, ACTUALLY, SO, OH, OKAY.
I THOUGHT THAT BELONGED TO THE CHURCH.
I BELIEVE IT DOES APPEARED TO BELONG.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT NOW? SEE WHO IT BELONGS TO.
IN FACT, THEY'RE BOTH 3,700, SO THERE YOU GO.
IT PROBABLY OWNS BOTH THOSE PIECES.
UH, EVERYBODY OKAY WITH TURNING BOTH THOSE AUTOCENTRIC? MM-HMM
WHAT IS 37 0 6? THAT IS ACTUALLY A HOUSE IS DOWN DEEP INTO THERE.
HANG ON AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT LOT.
TALK ABOUT NOT WANTING TO SEE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
IS THAT THE CABINET, MA? HERE, LET ME PULL, AND THAT'S A LONG DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT SIDE.
COULD YOU PULL 37 0 8 6 UP? WE DON'T SEE YOU VERY, YOU EXCITED? VERY OFTEN.
NOW, WHERE DID THIS PUT ME? HERE PUT ME ON RICHARD.
NO, BUT I'M, I MEAN, NO, 37 0 6.
I'M, I'M GETTING THERE TRYING.
IT DIDN'T CLICK UP THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE.
YOU HAVEN'T CRASHED YET, SO IT'S
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COMING.SO WE ARE IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT.
THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHERE IT GOING TO BE.
GO UP TO THE MAIN DRAG, MAYBE.
UM, IT'S NOT LETTING YOU DO IT.
IT'S NOT, LET'S TRY OVER HERE.
THERE'S, SEE THAT DRIVEWAY GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THERE? YOU GOT A GATE? YEAH.
WHAT IS THAT? IT'S A NICE LITTLE DRIVEWAY TOO.
IT'S RESIDENTIAL THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, DO WE WANNA KEEP THAT RESIDENTIAL? WHAT'S IT UP AGAINST? THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL CHURCH AND THEN THE BACK OF THE SUBURB.
IT KIND OF, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY GO WITH THOSE, BUT IT KIND OF, YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE 'EM SOMETHING.
THEY'RE NOT WANTING A SPOT ZONE, BUT YEAH.
SOMEBODY WANTED TO REZONE THIS OR REPL IT.
BASICALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF 3,100 THROUGH 31 36.
RIGHT? IF IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD COM.
WELL, 'CAUSE IT'S CONSERVATION.
THEY HAVE TO MATCH THE FRONT THEN TO THE LEFT OF IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET ANY OF THAT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS ALL ABOUT QUARTER ACRE LOTS.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO, AUTO AUTOCENTRIC CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN IT CANNOT.
NO RESIDENTIAL AND AUTOCENTRIC AT ALL.
WHAT WHATSOEVER? NO, NO RESIDENTIAL AND AUTOCENTRIC AT ALL.
NO LIVE WORK, NO UPPER STORY, NOTHING.
THE ONE THAT CAN IS THE URBAN TRANSITION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND URBAN TRANSITION ALSO ALLOWS FOR, WELL, YOU CAN'T JUST STICK AN URBAN TRANSITION THERE WHEN YOU'VE CHANGED EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE MIXED USE WOULD BE SPOT ZONING AT THAT POINT.
NO, I'M MIXED USE IS THE ONE THAT'S GONNA PERMIT THE MOST RESIDENTIAL WITH, WITH, UH, RETAIL.
YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T, THAT WOULD BE SPOT TOO.
SO YEAH, WE GOT EITHER PUT IT RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT, IT'S ALL THAT.
UH, URBAN, UH, LEMME TRY IT AGAIN.
UH, YOU GUYS WANNA JUST LEAVE THAT ONE THE WAY IT IS? 37 0 6.
COMMERCIAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, CONSERVATION.
AND THEN ALL OF THESE LITTLE NUMBERS, THAT'S ALL STILL RESIDENTIAL.
27 0 4 IS, UH, COMMERCIAL OR AUTOCENTRIC THAT TAKES YOU OVER TO, WAIT, WAIT, WHAT'S 31 0 1 IN THOSE? THESE ARE ALL JUST LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS? NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT 31 56.
WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHERE ARE YOU AT, MA'AM? UH, SOUTH OF, UH, OF ALL OF THAT ORANGE.
WHERE? ORANGE? YEAH, THE ORANGE.
I WAS JUST GONNA FINISH THIS OVER THERE AND THEN WE'LL TAKE OUT THE NORTH SECTION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK DOWN.
UH, SO YEAH, ALL, ALL THAT, UH, LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
GOING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DETS ROAD.
UM, WHY ARE ALL THOSE AUTOCENTRIC? ARE THOSE YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE FEED, FEED STORE IS.
THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THERE'S A BIG BUSINESS RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IS IT CALLED? UH, IRA INDUSTRIAL SOLUTIONS.
IS IT ALL THE WAY OVER THERE? IT'S OVER HERE.
THOSE, THOSE DON'T LOOK, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE? UH, THIS ONE LOOKS UNDEVELOPED.
3006 PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE.
IT'S LIKE A HOUSE ON SIX FOUR AND THEN 3000 AND 3002.
ISN'T THAT A FRICKING PESTICIDE PLACE? 39 0 5.
WAIT, YOU JUST, YOU HAD IT AND THEN YOU JUST MISSED IT RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE, YOU WERE AT 3006, RIGHT? YEAH.
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THAT'S HEAVY.WHAT, WHAT'S THE NUMBER ON THESE? RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS WHOLE STREET LOOKS RESIDENTIAL.
YEAH, BUT IT'S, GO BACK TO THE MAP, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, LABELED RIGHT THERE.
SO 3008 COULD STAY AUTOCENTRIC, AND THEN THOSE FOUR COULD STAY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CONSERVATION.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.
WAIT, KIND OF, I CAN SEE WHY THEY LABEL IT ALL AUTO ALL THE SAME, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST SNUGGLED, LIKE, YEP.
UH, ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, SIR.
I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT OF THE BLUE, RIGHT OF ARKANSAS STREET, ALL THAT YELLOW RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT, IN FACT, THAT'S ARKANSAS STREET.
WHERE IS THAT? NORTH OF DIETZ AREA.
LAID IT OVER THE TOP OF IT AND SAID, HERE YOU GO.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE NEGATIVE TO THE RIGHT OF THE BLUE.
WELL, WHAT'S 27 0 3? IS THAT, THAT IS A BIG LOT WITH A HOUSE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER OF IT.
UM, AND THEN ALL THESE OTHER ONES ARE KIND OF EMPTY LOTS.
THERE'S NOTHING BUILT INTO ANY OF THESE UP HERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION COMES INTO EVERYTHING ALONGSIDE ARKANSAS.
THERE'S MERIT MAKING THAT RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION, BUT I FEEL LIKE 30 0 1, 29 11, AND THEN THESE OTHER NINE BLOCKS UP HERE, I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE CHANGED TO POTENTIALLY, UH, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, IF YOU DO THIS IS DEFINITELY, REMEMBER YOU WANTED TO USE THE URBAN, UH, RURAL AREAS.
THIS WHOLE AREA UP HERE, I THINK WOULD FALL IN THE, THE RURAL CATEGORY.
I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE UP HERE WITH COWS UP IN THIS PLACE.
IN FACT, I'M, UH, AND THERE'S PERMANENT DEVELOP.
SO I JUST THREW THE RURAL OUT THERE.
IS ANYBODY INTERESTED IN PURSUING, IN READING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT ONE? BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T USED IT YET.
NOT THAT WE HAVE TO USE IT EITHER, BUT YEAH.
'CAUSE WE JUST KEPT WHATEVER WAS RURAL ALREADY, RIGHT, SIR? WE ONLY, WE KEPT WHATEVER WAS RURAL ALREADY ON THE MAP.
BUT I, I I THINK THIS WHOLE AREA RIGHT HERE, THESE NINE 10 SQUARES AS RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE RIGHT USAGE.
NO, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO CONSERVE IN THE FACT THAT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
THAT MIGHT EITHER BE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S EITHER RURAL OR IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, RESIDENTIAL GENERAL.
LOOK, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF, THERE, THERE'S A DRAINAGE GOES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
RIGHT? SWELL OR DRAINAGE DITCH OR BAYOU OR SOMETHING.
LIKE AT SOME POINT THEY, SOMEBODY THAT RAN SOMETHING.
I KNOW AT THE END OF WYOMING THERE'S AN RV PARK.
I, IF THAT'S STILL DICKINSON OR NOT RURAL.
THE THE BLUE IS WHAT IS THAT DRAINAGE OFF OF ALL THAT? YEAH.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY LARGE DRAINAGE FIX THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.
THERE'S ALSO A PIPELINE IN THE SAME AREA.
YOU COULD SOME OF THAT BE UNDEVELOPED? IN FACT, UH, WYOMING TO THE WEST TO A KANSAS AND THERE WAS A BIG RV PARK.
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YEAH.IS THAT STILL IN DICKINSON, TRAVIS? NEGATIVE? NO, SIR.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT I, I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
NEXT THOUGHTS ON WHAT IT COULD BE.
SO ALL THESE PARCELS RIGHT HERE, 28 0 1, 28 0 5, ARE THOSE CURRENTLY HOMES? YES.
THERE ARE RESIDENCES ON THOSE.
AND THERE'S A RESIDENCE ON 27 0 3.
NOT ON 28 10, CORRECT? NO, THERE IS ONE RIGHT THERE.
SEE WHERE IT SAYS MARYLAND? YEAH.
SO BELOW WEST OF MARYLAND STAYS CONSERVATION.
EAST OF MARYLAND BECOMES SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO COULD YOU GO TO THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT A URBAN, I MEAN, UH, WHERE THE RURAL THING LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK IT'S A THOUSAND OR A ACRE OF RURAL.
AND THERE A RESTRICTION ON HOW LARGE THAT LOTS HAVE TO BE ON THAT.
ARE THOSE ONE ACRE LOTS? NO, THEY'RE A LOT BIGGER THAN ONE ACRE.
SO THOSE TH I'M GUESSING THOSE WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE ACRES.
UH, THAT ONE IS SUBDIVIDED, RIGHT? 90, UH, 29.
MARYLAND WON'T HAVE TO BE YOUR, UH, KIND OF DIVIDING LINE.
AND HOW ABOUT 2,900? HOW BIG IS THAT? I'M GONNA GO 0.5.
JUST ABOUT, BECAUSE THE SAME SIZE AS OTHER SQUARES AT 1.8.
ARE THEY OWNED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE? UM, MALDONADO'S? YEP.
SO LEE CANTU, UM, THEY'RE SMALLER THAN I THOUGHT.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE QUITE A BIT BIGGER THAN THAT.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT ONE PARCEL RIGHT THERE, UH, THE 2,900 CAN'T BE PART OF THAT.
YEAH, WELL, IT, IT, IT COULD BE, IT WOULD JUST BE A NON-CONFORMING LOT.
AND IT'S STILL A HALF ACRE LOT, WHICH IS NOT A SMALL LOT.
EVERYTHING WEST OF MARYLAND, WE STAY WITH, UH, RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION EAST OF MARYLAND OVER TO WYOMING.
UH, AND WE'RE GONNA TURN 3000 THROUGH 3006 INTO, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION ALSO.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT TH THREE? IS 3008 SOMETHING DIFFERENT? THAT'S AN, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THERE.
AND SO THAT'S AN IDEAL PIECE TO BECOME PART OF THE, IT'S A LITTLE OVER A QUARTER ACRE, SO WE WANT THAT COMMERCIAL IS WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY.
AND THEN WE ARE STAYING WITH AUTOCENTRIC 3005.
COULD YOU SCROLL UP, SIR? AND THEN ALL OF THAT IS, WOW, LOOK AT THAT.
THAT IS THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
WHAT'S WHERE, WHERE WHAT? 24 0 2 RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS A, UH, SENIOR LIVING NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T THINK I EVER KNEW THAT WAS THERE.
COULD YOU ZERO IN ON THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND.
COMMUNITY RETIREMENT CENTER? YEP.
SEE, I TOLD YOU I KNOW THIS TOWN.
I'M JUST, UH, I AMAZED I DIDN'T KNOW THIS.
LET ME SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, THEY BUILT THAT A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND THEN ALL OF THAT, MAN, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT WAS PART OF DICKINSON.
THE TURN BACK CONTROLS AND ALL THAT.
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AND SO WE GET ABOUT HALF OF THIS INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX NEXT DOOR.I DIDN'T THINK WE WENT THAT FAR NORTH.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE MAPS, SIR? NO KIDDING.
WE GET HALF OF IT AND THEN I SEE.
SO THIS HALF IS OUTTA WELL, MORE THAN HALF.
HOW IN THE WORLD IS THAT
UH, MR. WASCO IS THE GUY THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT I BET.
WE, WE'VE HAD ADVENTURES WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOME, UH, UH, ANNEXING LOTS WERE CUT IN HALF.
YOU KNOW, ONE'S IN THE COUNTY, ONE WAS IN THE CITY.
YOU CAN JUST SEE IT RIGHT HERE.
WELL, I MEAN, THESE WERE LIKE HOMES.
HALF YOUR HOUSE WAS IN THE COUNTY, HALF WAS IN THE 41 14 CENT IS THAT WAY.
THE GARAGE IS IN THE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
OKAY, SO WE'LL KEEP ALL OF THOSE COMMERCIAL.
THE SENIOR LIVING 24 0 2, DOES THAT STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF UH, AUTOCENTRIC? GOOD QUESTION.
BECAUSE THAT'S A, A BIT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DEFINE IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE PERMITTED.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE MEETING THE COOL RULES.
WHAT, UH, WHAT'S IN THAT AREA? 41 24 TO THE WEST.
AN RV PARK? UH, NO, IT LOOKS LIKE STORAGE.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S BEHIND THIS INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
I MEAN, WHAT'S LEFT? WE'VE DONE, UH, WELL NOW, NOW WE GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE 30 MINUTES AGO, BUT THAT ORANGE, WE GO BACK TO THE ORANGE RIGHT THERE.
NOW WE'RE GOING UP DICKINSON AVENUE.
WHAT IS ORANGE? THE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, WHAT'S 43? 10? LOOKS LIKE A HOME.
DID WE MAKE IT THIS FAR? SORRY.
I'M, HUH? SORRY IF I'M BACKTRACKING.
UH, IS THIS THAT DAYCARE? I THINK SO.
AND THEN WE SAID WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH THE, THE SMALL.
YEAH, LET'S LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT IS.
I DON'T, THOSE ARE ALL, GOSH DANG.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, IT'S RESIDENTIAL 43 10.
IT IS, IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY.
BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK THERE'S A, A MOBILE HOME IN THERE.
ALL OF 'EM ARE MOBILE HOMES RIGHT THROUGH THERE.
AND IS THERE ANY COMMERCIAL ON THAT STREET? OH, RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IS THAT? EH, WHAT IS THAT? GARAGE? IT'S LIKE JUST A GARAGE.
I THINK THAT'S A BUSINESS, NOT A BUSINESS.
MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA.
I DO BELIEVE A LOT OF MOBILE HOMES ALL THE WAY BACK TO TEXAS AVENUE.
I SEE WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IT A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
I, YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA OF, IN THIS AREA.
'CAUSE IT, IT, WHAT'S 43 0 7? IT'S THAT LOT.
IT'S, IT IS UNDEVELOPED AND SAME AS THE REST OF THAT WHOLE AREA.
I BELIEVE THIS WHOLE AREA IS UNDEVELOPED.
I DO KNOW THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE BEING BUILT HERE ON THIS LOT.
I SUGGEST THIS WHOLE 43 10 ON UP TO 43 11.
THAT WHOLE, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S THERE IS MIXED.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THERE.
AM I LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT? NO.
IT DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING THERE.
THERE'S NOTHING SOUTH OF 29TH.
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HOUSE ON 42 0 9.SO THIS IS MIXED USE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW.
AND I SEE WHAT IS ALLOWABLE ON SMALL SCALE.
SO AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL, YOU ONLY HAVE LIVE WORK AND UPPER STORY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PERMITS A GOOD NUMBER OF COMMUNITY FACILITIES, DAYCARES, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES, GOVERNMENT FACILITIES, UM, MEDICAL OR DENTAL CLINIC, ARC, OBVIOUSLY UTILITIES, UM, BAR WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL, GYM, SMALL ONE BANK, BED AND BREAKFAST.
IT'S REALLY LIMITING, ISN'T IT? NOW GOING BACK TO THE MAP, SIR, IF YOU WOULD, THE ONE THING I'M KIND OF GUYS, THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL HERE.
IT'S REALLY, I, I KNOW IT'S NOT DEVELOPED YET, BUT OFF OF, OFF OF DICKINSON AVENUE, I WOULD COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMERCIAL.
BUT GETTING BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I MEAN, HISTORICALLY YOU'LL FIND BUSINESSES POPPED UP ALL OVER THIS PLACE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO DO, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS AGO.
BUT ALL IN ALL, I, I FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING THAT'S EAST OF OUR AUTOCENTRIC, THAT IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES SUPPOSED TO BE COMMER, UH, RESIDENTIAL IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA GO ALL THE WAY FROM HERE ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND IT'S NOTHING BUT SUBDIVISIONS AND HOUSES BACK IN THERE.
AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU'LL FIND A BUSINESS THAT SOMEBODY POPPED UP IN 1974 BUT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
AND I THINK THIS ENTIRE AREA HERE SHOULD ALL BE RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY POPPING UP A, A GAS STATION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR A, I DON'T WANT A SPA IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT MY HOUSE, THEN I WANT IT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT DEAR.
I THINK THAT'S A BECAUSE I DON'T WANT, I WANT, YOU KNOW.
THEN I'M GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
NOW, AS WE SAY THAT, DOES STAFF OR ANYBODY HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THIS AREA WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH? NO.
I'VE, I'VE HAD NO ONE REALLY APPROACH US, UH, TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS AREA.
LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY DEVELOP I KNOW OF IS, IS THIS LOT RIGHT HERE.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, 42 0 2 40 29 0 7.
SHOULD THOSE FOUR LOTS RIGHT THERE, SHOULD THOSE BE WHAT'S 42 0 2? IT'S A RESIDENCE AND THAT IT'S GONNA BE 29TH.
JENNY'S TACOS ARE RIGHT THERE.
THERE IS A RESIDENCE ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND SO OUR ORDINANCE FOR FOOD TRUCKS DOES NOT PERMIT A FOOD TRUCK WITHIN 300 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL HOME.
SO THAT SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, SHOULD IT NOT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? IT'S 42 0 2.
AND WHAT ABOUT 29 0 7 THEN, THEN, UH, I WAS RECOMMENDING ALL THREE OF THOSE, INCLUDING THE LOT HE'S ON RIGHT NOW BE BUT WHAT'S 41 0 3? 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A HOUSE.
I THINK IT'S MANUFACTURED HOME.
WAIT, THAT'S AN RV CAN IT CAN BE.
THAT'S THE MANUFAC HOME BEHIND IT.
CAN YOU HAVE AN, UH, RV PERMANENTLY FOR LIVING? OH, IT'S NOT PERMANENT.
THIS, THIS ONE APPEARS JUST PARKED.
HUH? HE SAID THIS ONE APPEARS TO BE JUST PARKED AND STORED.
WHAT DOES PARK MEAN? HOW LONG DOES PARK MEAN? UH, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A LENGTH OF TIME.
UH, IT'S MORE OF, IF IT'S CONNECTED TO UTILITIES AND UTILIZED AS A RESIDENCE AND IT HAS TO HAVE REGISTRATION AND TAGS.
IT IS, IT IS CHALLENGING TO REGULATE.
I CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE JUNK CARS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT THERE'S JUNK RVS TOO.
IN FACT, MY OLD NEIGHBOR HAD ONE.
THESE ARE ALL MOBILE HOMES GOING UP THROUGH HERE.
SO, NE NEIGHBORHOOD CONVI NC MEANS THAT IF THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS THERE, THEY CANNOT PUT THAT BACK, RIGHT? UH, THAT'D BE CORRECT.
AND BY THE WAY, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, I'M GONNA GIVE US ABOUT 15 MORE MINUTES.
WE WILL BEEN AT THIS FOR TWO HOURS AND I THINK I'LL ADJOURN AT THAT POINT IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.
UM, SO AGAIN, EVERYBODY COOL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION? 42 0 2 EAST GOES NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? YES.
SO NOW THIS, UH, ALL OF THIS ABOVE IT, THAT IS CURRENTLY
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AUTOCENTRIC, I WOULD TOO, AGAIN, RECOMMEND THAT TO BE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL MOBILE HOMES MANUFACTURED.
HOUSING, EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? SO IF THEY EVER MOVE THOSE OUT OF THERE, THEY CAN'T PUT ANOTHER MANUFACTURER'S HOME IN THERE.
THERE'S A 12 MONTH PERIOD, UH, FOR THE ABANDONMENT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE A 12 MONTHS TO REPLACE IT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY.
OR IF IT FLOODED AND THEY WERE DESTROYED OR ANY, UH, FIRE OR ANYTHING ELSE, THEN THEY COULD NOT REBUILD THERE.
THEY COULDN'T PUT ANOTHER, NO.
I WANNA SEE HOW FAR INTO THAT LOT DOES OUR PROPERTY.
HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT'S A BAR 20.
THERE'S AN RV PARK AND THEN THE BAR'S NEXT TO IT.
CORRECT? IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S UP? YES, MA'AM.
AND THAT IS AN RV PARK MODERATELY WELL MAINTAINED CURRENTLY, UH, IS AUTOCENTRIC.
WH WHICH ONE ALLOWS, UH, MOBILE HOME PARKS? UH, IT IS RURAL AND ESTATE AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS A RV PARK.
THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
UH, SO IT'S GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH P AND Z AND COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
IT ONLY, IT HAS SOME LIMITED USE STANDARDS, BUT NOT, ALRIGHT, WAIT A MINUTE THEN.
AM I, AM I SCREWED UP? 'CAUSE I'M IN MY HEAD.
I'M GOING A MANUFACTURED HOME AND AN RV ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ARE WE CON ARE THEY CONSIDERED THE SAME? UM, NO, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
I BELIEVE WE DID HAVE RV PARKS.
THERE IS, SORRY, SOMEWHERE DOWN HERE.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ON RIGHT HERE.
SO AUTO CENTURY DOES PERMIT RV PARK.
OKAY, SO GOING BACK TO THE MAP FOR THIS LOT TO MAINTAIN BASICALLY 27 0 5 NEEDS TO BECOME AUTOCENTRIC ALSO, IF THEY WERE TO BE CONFORMING ALL 3 27 OH, FIVES TO YOUR RIGHT ALSO, SIR.
WHAT UM, WHAT IS THAT'S THE EXTENSION OF THE RV PARK.
IT'S ALL ONE WHAT? ONE PARK WHAT IT WAS 27 0 9.
THAT'S THE TWO LEVEL THAT LOOKED LIKE IT'S BEEN, UH, SEE THIS, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
REMAINING IN THAT CONDITION AS AUTOCENTRIC.
WELL THEN KEEP, BECAUSE THE BAR ISN'T GONNA GO AWAY.
IT HAS TO BE PRETTY MUCH THERE.
YOU GOT, UH, MONTANA AVENUE GOES DRIVES INTO IT.
YEAH, IT'S TWO PARCELS, BUT ONE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, ONE RP PARCEL.
IT'S TECHNICALLY THREE PARCELS.
ALL BUT UNDER THE SAME ADDRESS.
WELL IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT STREETS AGAIN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WELL, YOU GOT A STREET RIGHT OF WAY CROSSING THROUGH THE LOTS.
SO THEY'RE ZONED DIFFERENTLY RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, DO WE KEEP 'EM ZONED DIFFERENTLY IS, I THINK THAT'S NOT GOOD.
UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT BECOMING AUTOCENTRIC THE ONE HE IS HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WILL ALWAYS KEEP IT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS LIKE THAT IF IT GETS, THEY CAN REBUILD AND DO THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.
IT'S NOT A MOBILE HOME PARK, IT'S AN RV PARK WHERE PEOPLE CAN PULL THEIR RVS IN AND OUT PARK, KIND LIKE, UH, UH, ONE OF MY GREEN KAY.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS A LOT OF THOSE RVS LIVE THERE PERMANENTLY.
JUST HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE ARE RELATIVE TO IT.
AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AT THAT POINT.
BUT THE CONCEPT, THE CONCEPT OF AN RV PARK, I'M, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF IT, LIVING IN GALVESTON COUNTY, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
BUT THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, SOMEBODY BUILT A WHOLE FRICKING HOUSE AROUND THEIR RV, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY.
THEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN RV ANYMORE.
OR SOMEBODY WORKING CONSTRUCTION.
SO EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON THE EAST 27 0 5 BEING AUTOCENTRIC DE AGREE.
SO MOBILE HOMES DON'T GO, CAN'T GO INTO AN AUTOCENTRIC.
AND IF YOU'D BE SO KIND AS TO ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, I'D LIKE
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TO SEE WHAT 26 0 5.I DID WANT TO TURN ON THIS LAYER REAL QUICK JUST 'CAUSE I'M AWARE OF THIS RED AREA IS WHAT'S CALLED THE FEMA DEFINED FLOODWAY.
UH, SO NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE FLOODWAY.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, WHAT'S THERE CAN CONTINUE TO BE THERE.
BUT IF IT'S DAMAGED MORE THAN 50%, IT'S GOTTA GO AND CANNOT BE REBUILT.
BE WHAT? AND THAT'S JUST GONNA BE WHAT BECOME A FIELD.
IT, IT'S GOTTA BE REMOVED AND IT CANNOT BE REBUILT.
IT'S, IT'S NOTHING CAN BE PUT IN TO REPLACE IT.
THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS A BIG DEAL.
THAT KILLS A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT EVERYTHING.
IT'S, I I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES, SIR.
AND SO THE ONLY REASON IT ACTUALLY ENDS RIGHT HERE IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE FEMA ENDED THE STUDY.
THEORETICALLY IT WOULD CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, PAST THAT.
RIGHT? IT FLOODS ALL THE WAY BACK UP INTO THE CITY.
I FIND IT INSANE THAT IT'S, IT'S SO NARROW THERE, BUT IT GOT DEEPER HERE.
AND THEN THEY STOPPED AT DICKINSON AVENUE AND I SAY, THANK YOU LORD.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE HALF OF OUR CITY WOULD FALL IN THAT SAME CATEGORY.
SO LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THIS IS GONNA END UP BEING EMPTY.
VACANT LAND BE WHAT? EMPTY VACANT LAND.
NO ENCROACHMENTS ARE PERMITTED IN THE FLOODWAY.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE ZONING FOR ALL THIS AREA BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I FEEL LIKE MATTER, LIKE WE JUST HIT A MOOT POINT.
UM, THE BAR BURNS OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN SLIDE THE WHOLE THING TO THE LEFT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE SHOWING ALL OF THIS TO BE CURRENTLY JUST NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
MIGHT AS WELL KEEP IT THE SAME AND YEAH, I, I DON'T SEE THE POINT.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT IS, UH, NOW WHAT IS THAT, TRAVIS? I MEAN IT'S DIFFERENT.
YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE IT'S GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
WHY IS IT THAT HIGHLIGHTING LOT? IS IT IS WE SAME? YEAH, I'M TRYING TO ZOOM IN, BUT MY PAGE IS NOT RESPONDING.
WHY WOULD THAT BE DIFFERENT? I WONDER BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
BUT DOESN'T IT FALL INTO THAT? YEAH, IT FALLS IN THE ZONE, DOES IT NOT? NO.
YOU WANT IT GENERAL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
PARDON ME? GENERAL, IT'S NINE ACRES.
WE'LL SEE IF IT'S IN THE FLOODWAY.
I KNOW THIS IS IN THE FLOODWAY RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU WANNA KEEP A GENERAL RE THERE'S ONE HOUSE ON THAT WHOLE LOT.
THAT WHOLE THING BY THE SAME PERSON? PROBABLY.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I THINK I KNOW WHO THE OWNER IS.
THIS ONE IS, BUT THE OWNER OF THE WHAT, UH, I THINK I KNOW WHO THE OWNER OF THAT ONE IS, BUT I'M GONNA WAIT TILL IT LOADS IF IT WILL LOAD.
AND 31 0 1 IS WHAT? AS A MOBILE HOME PARKS MANUFACTURE.
YOU HAVE ONE HERE AND YOU HAVE ONE HERE.
UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BOTH OF THESE AND THE FIESTA MOBILE HOME PARK, UH, THEY'VE ALL BEEN BOUGHT BY A COMPANY CALLED STONE TOWN CAPITAL.
UH, AND SO THEY'VE, FOR, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH FOR MANUFACTURE HOME PARK, THEY'VE CLEANED IT UP A LOT.
THEY'VE BROUGHT IN A LOT OF NEW UNITS.
THEY BROUGHT IN A LOT OF NEW DRIVEWAYS, NEW FLAT WORK.
THEY, THEY FIXED A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WERE EXISTING.
DIDN'T THEY COME IN FRONT OF US AT GROUP? I THINK THEY DID STONE TOWN.
THEY MAY HAVE BACK IN THE DAY.
SO, ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S, LET'S SCROLL BACK OUT AND GO.
HE'S TRYING TO, SO I WAS CORRECT ON THE OWNER THIS LOT MAYOR OWNS IT.
WHAT, WHAT IS IT LOOKING FOR? OR IS IT IN A FLOODWAY? IS THAT WHERE HE LIVES? NO, UH, IT WAS HIS PREVIOUS RESIDENCE.
MY KNOWLEDGE IS HE, HE PURCHASED A PROPERTY IN BAYOU.
I I DON'T WANT US TO GET SIDETRACKED.
BUT ISN'T THAT 30 15 IN THAT FLOODWAY? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TURN ON.
UH, THAT LAYER IF THE MAP WILL RESPOND TO ME.
OKAY, WELL LOOK, WE GOT FIVE MINUTES.
SO LET'S SCROLL BACK TO THE LEFT AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY CLEAR OUT MOST OF THE, THE, THE STATES HERE.
OKAY, SO THAT ONE WAS JUST OUT OF THE FLOODWAY.
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WELL PLAYEDSO SCROLL UP JUST A LITTLE BIT SIR.
RIGHT THERE AT 25TH STREET AT THE VERY TOP, I SEE FOUR LOTS THAT ARE URBAN TRANSITION.
AND SO THESE ARE THE FOUR LOTS THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION RECENTLY.
UM, THAT WE HAD REZONED TO URBAN TRANSITION DUE TO THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WISHING TO DEVELOP, UH, TWO MULTIPLEXES.
REMEMBER? YEAH, I DO REMEMBER.
I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT HAVE, HAS TWO ON THERE AND HE WANTS TO DEVELOP TWO MORE.
WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AROUND IT.
'CAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON 2050, THE SCHOOL.
BUT IT WAS MAINLY BECAUSE SCHOOL.
IT'S A SCHOOL PROBLEM, NOT, NOT MULTIPLYING.
BUT THE PROBLEM WAS GONNA BE THERE WHETHER HE DID YEAH.
THAT THAT WAS THE ISSUE, HUH? IT'S THERE NOW.
OKAY, SO WE WERE GONNA LEAVE THOSE WHERE THEY ARE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE NIGHT I MISSED THIS.
OKAY, SO, UM, MAN, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF ON MY OWN MAP RIGHT HERE.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EVERYTHING IS.
BASICALLY TO THE LEFT OF THE MAYOR'S PROPERTY, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO FOR OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND ALSO FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'VE MADE IT TO CALIFORNIA AND THEN WE'LL TALK EAST OF THAT.
BUT I AM OF A MIND THAT ALL OF THIS PROPERTY, MINUS THAT, THOSE FOUR LOTS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, ALL OF THIS SHOULD REMAIN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
THIS IS A VERY, AS THE ORIGINAL ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO IF YOU CAN SLIDE THAT TO THE RIGHT JUST A LITTLE BIT, SIR.
THE OTHER RIGHT? THERE YOU GO.
UM, I DON'T THINK NOW SCROLL DOWN TO FIVE 17.
ALRIGHT, NOW HERE'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S WORTHY OF SOME CONVERSATION.
I THINK EVERYTHING NORTH OF FIVE 17 EXCEPT FOR FIVE 17 FRONTAGE SHOULD ALL BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT WE ALL THAT RIGHT THERE.
SO I THINK WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED ALL THAT.
BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE CORNER OF CALIFORNIA AND FIVE 17.
YEAH, I RECALL, I RECALL SPEAKING ABOUT THAT LOT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE DID THE UH, THE SPLIT.
DID WE ADDRESS ALL THESE LOTS RIGHT HERE ON THE FRONTAGE? THOSE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE ACTUALLY IT'S TO THE RIGHT.
SO NO WEST OF, UH, CALIFORNIA.
IS THERE ANY OF THIS THAT WE WANT TO CALL COMMERCIAL? EXCUSE ME? UH, AUTOCENTRIC, I THINK WE DID IT ALL.
AUTO, DID WE DO ALL OF IT AS FRONTAGE? IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE CERTAIN, FORGIVE ME FOR DOUBTING YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M RIGHT.
I'M NOT, BUT I WILL CONFIRM FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING.
EVERYTHING FRONTING FIVE 17 ON THE NORTH SIDE SHOULD BE, UH, AUTOCENTRIC AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE BEHIND THERE SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE NOW HAVE MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO CALIFORNIA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FIVE 17.
EVERYTHING SOUTH OF FIVE 17 IS CLOSED OUT.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEXT MEETING, WE'LL GO EAST OF CALIFORNIA.
AND THAT ONE WE SHOULD BE DONE.
AND THAT SHOULD BE THE END OF IT.
WELL, SO, SO FULL DISCLOSURE, ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THE ZONING, UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET INTO THE NEVER COMING BACK.
UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE ACTUAL REGULATIONS IN THE UDC, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MEAT OF IT.
I HAVE ONLY A FEW ITEMS, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX, UH, YOU KNOW, PROCESSES IN THERE THAT THAT STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THAT DOESN'T WORK OR MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE VISIT FOR, FOR DICKINSON.
UH, SO I WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE NEXT TIME.
I'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THAT.
BUT IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS THAT YOU GUYS WANNA BRING FORWARD FOR THAT AS WELL, UH, MORE THAN WELCOME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND PHIL, THAT'S IN LINE WITH YOUR EMAIL, IS IT NOT SIR? ABSOLUTELY.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.
WE'LL DO THAT THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, AGAIN, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH.
I THINK THIS IS FANTASTIC, WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I THINK YOU GOT SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, AND FIFTH.
AND WE SAY, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.