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[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.IT IS, UM, 6 33 AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, ROLL CALL WILLIAM BROWN.
UM, WE'LL START WITH THE INVOCATION.
UNLESS SOMEBODY
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST, UM, BOW OUR HEADS TONIGHT THAT WE'RE, UH, SO HONORED THAT WE CAN REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THE LIVES OF, UM, THE MEMBERS HERE IN THE CITY OF DICKINSON.
WE ASK THAT YOU, UH, PUT YOUR HAND ON ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THAT HAPPEN, THAT STAND AT OUR BORDERS TO KEEP US SAFE AND, AND ALLOW US TO HAVE MEETINGS LIKE THIS.
AND WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME.
AND MR. HARRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, DO YOU WANT ME THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? YES, PLEASE.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THE TEXAS FLAG FLAG, HONOR, FLAG.
ONE STATE UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.
YOU NEED TO PUT THAT UP THERE SO WE CAN READ IT.
I KNOW SOME OF US WERE STRUGGLING ON THAT.
AT THIS TIME, UH, ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE, UH, ANY COMMENTS? NO.
UH, AT THIS TIME I SEE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS.
[5. CONSENT AGENDA]
THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED WITH BY ONE MOTION.THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS COMMISSION MEMBER REQUEST.
AND IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE WORKSHOP PLANNING AND ZONING HELD ON JANUARY 21ST.
SO, UH, NO OLD BUSINESS AT THIS TIME? CORRECT.
[7. NEW BUSINESS]
CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING A REQUEST FOR A PLAT SUBDIVISION WAIVER FOR TROPICAL GARDENS.BLOCK SIX PARTIAL RE PLAT ADMINISTRATIVE MINOR PLAT FROM SUBSECTION 18 DASH 38.6 WAIVER REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH SUCH WAIVER ALLOWING A LOT WIDTH OF 75 FEET FOR LOTS.
ONE, TWO, AND THREE, AND A LOT WITH THE 43.18 FEET FOR LOT FOUR FOR A PROPOSED MULTI LOT DEVELOPMENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 1.34 ACRES, PARTIAL 3 7 5 9 1 3 LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF GUM DRIVE AND F EAST FM FIVE 17 AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 36, PAGE THREE POINT OF LOTS, ONE THROUGH THREE AND ALL OF FOUR AND FIVE.
ONE DASH ONE BLOCK SIX TROPICAL GARDENS.
AT THIS TIME WE'LL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO APPROVE TROPICAL GARDENS.
OH, WE'RE, DO I HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN? BLOCK? I CAN'T JUST SAY WHAT I JUST SAID.
SO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING REQUEST TO APPROVE TROPICAL GARDENS BLOCK SIX PARTIAL RE PLAT ADMINISTRATIVE MIN MINOR PLAT, APPROXIMATELY 1.34 ACRES FOR PARTIAL 3 7 5 9 1 3.
AND THAT'S ALL OF WHAT I JUST SAID.
SO STAFF PRESENTATION? YES, MA'AM.
SO Y'ALL MAY, WE'RE ON SEVEN A, ARE WE NOW, UH, WE ARE ON SEVEN B RIGHT NOW.
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WELL, IT'S WAVERED.WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC MIC CHECK ONE, TWO.
NOW LIVE, WHY THEY HAD THAT IN THE BEGINNING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING FIRST, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THIS, UH, APPLICATION, Y'ALL MAY RECALL A WHILE BACK, YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.
UH, WE DID BRING IT FOR A ZONING CHANGE.
IT WAS ON AS AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO BE CHANGED TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
UH, SO THAT REQUEST WAS GRANTED.
UH, SO THAT IS THE FIRST STEP.
SO NOW HE'S ABLE TO BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HE WANTS.
UH, WHICH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? UH, SO NOW THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS HE IS REQUIRED TO REPL THE LOTS.
AND SO THE REASON WE'RE HERE WITH THE WAIVER REQUEST IS HE IS REQUESTING LOT WIDTHS THAT ARE NARROWER THAN WHAT, UH, THE UDC ALLOWS.
AND SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF WHAT THE WAIVER IS AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
UH, IT DOES ALLOW THE ADMINISTRATOR TO GRANT WAIVERS FOR CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.
STREET DEPTH, I MEAN STREET NAMES, SIGNS AND LIGHTS, DEPTHS, EASEMENTS, WATER SYSTEM, AND SANITARY SEWING SYSTEM.
I COULD GRANT WAIVERS FOR THAT LOT WIDTH, I CANNOT.
SO WE HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD, UH, TO SEE IF THAT'S ABLE TO BE APPROVED.
AND SO, AS Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GONE.
NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, REQUIRES THAT THE LOT WIDTH BE THE AVERAGE OF THE PLATTED LOTS ON THE BLOCK.
SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT OF TROPICAL GARDENS, AND THIS IS A ZOOMED IN, UH, IMAGE OF THAT.
SO THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN AND, UH, THE BLOCK FACE IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED ALL THE WAY FROM FIVE 17 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE END, UH, WHERE BORDERS COME BY YOU.
AND SO WHEN WE TOOK THE AVERAGE OF THESE LOTS, WE CAME UP WITH 85 FEET, UH, FOR THE AVERAGE OF THE LOT WIDTH OF THE BLOCK FACE.
SO THIS IS SUBJECT PROPERTY AGAIN.
UH, NOTICE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS KIND OF LARGE IN THIS AREA.
TDOT HAD ANNEXED, UH, A LITTLE EXTRA LAND IN THIS AREA IN THE PAST, KNOW WHY THAT IS MISALIGNED.
BUT, UH, THIS IS JUST A WORLD IMAGERY OVERVIEW.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAT.
SO HE HAS THREE LOTS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR A 75 FOOT WIDTH.
AND ONE THAT IS, UH, I'M SORRY, IS 43, UH, 0.18, I BELIEVE.
AND SO THIS IS KIND OF TWOFOLD.
UH, THERE IS A STATE LAW THAT IS PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THIS, UH, THAT REQUIRES, UH, A PLAT.
IF A PLAT REQUIRES A WAIVER AND IT HAS THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT IT IS, IT IS REQUIRED TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPROVAL.
UH, SO TONIGHT WE FIRST NEED TO CONSIDER THE WAIVER.
UH, IF THE WAIVER IS APPROVED, THEN WE CAN CONSIDER THE PLAT.
IF THE WAIVER IS DENIED, THEN THE PLAT IS, DOES NOT MEET OUR REGULATIONS.
WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO DENY THE PLAT.
SO WE NEED TO GO BACK TO SEVEN A ON THE AGENDA? NO, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE, OKAY.
WE'RE STILL, BECAUSE IT, THEY'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC.
IT SAYS WE STAY WITH SEVEN A HUH? WE SAY WE SEVEN A.
UM, SO WE CONSIDER THE THE WAIVER FIRST.
UH, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, FOR THIS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO PROVIDE A 30 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE PROPOSED LOT.
NUMBER FOUR, THAT'S THE ONE THAT BORDERS, UH, FIVE 17.
UH, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED LOT WIDTH AT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, SO BY MOVING THAT BACK, WE'RE GONNA GET, MOVING THE BILL LINE BACK.
WE'RE GONNA GET A LITTLE MORE LOT WIDTH WHERE THAT HOUSE IS GONNA SIT.
AND THAT IS ALL THAT STAFF HAS.
TRAVIS, DO YOU HAVE HOW IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, PIPE WHERE IT SHOWS THE TWO LOCKS THAT ARE INACCESSIBLE THAT FRONT ON FIVE 17 AND GUN? I DON'T WHAT THE PREVIOUS PLA YEAH, THE CORRECT PLA EXHIBITS.
IF YOU WANNA TALK, I CAN DO IT.
SO AT THIS TIME, ARE YOU THROUGH, HOLD ON.
ARE YOU THROUGH A STAFF PRESENTATION? YES, MA'AM.
SO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT CORRECT.
AND, AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED THAT, UH, I PUT ANOTHER, UH, SURVEY UP ON THE SCREEN.
SO I'M GONNA GRAB MY LAPTOP AND I'LL GET THAT PUT OUT THERE WHILE HE TALKS.
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AND, UM, I, I'M CHRIS HARRISON.AND, UM, SO THE LOT NUMBER FOUR, GIVE, GIVE YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
AND THEN, UM, IT'S LOT NUMBER FOUR WHERE TRAVIS WAS WANTING TO MOVE THE SETBACK LINE 35 FOOT FROM GUM.
WE HAD DISCUSSED IT PREVIOUSLY AND ONE OTHER THING THAT, THAT HE DIDN'T MENTION ON THESE LOTS IS CURRENTLY IT'S SET UP INTO FIVE LOTS, BUT TWO OF THEM ARE INACCESSIBLE.
THE, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN ACCESS 'EM IS ON FIVE 17 AND THERE'S A GUARDRAIL THAT THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE BRIDGE.
AND, AND THAT KEEPS YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO GET TO 'EM.
AND, AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE REZONING TO RESIDENTIAL AND, AND THEN GONNA REPL TO THE FOUR LOTS.
AND BEFORE I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UM, I DID HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY TO DO THE FOUR LOTS AS WELL, UM, WITH THE PREVIOUS GIRL THAT WORKED IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
IS THAT THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
WE DON'T NEED A REBUTTAL THEN, UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING, UH, BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS? ONE SECOND PLEASE.
SO SINCE THIS IS LIVE, I JUST WANNA SAY WE'RE WAITING ON TRAVIS TO, UH, TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER, UM, REPRESENTATION OF THIS AREA.
SO THIS IS THE, THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED.
I PUT UPON THE SCREEN, UH, PROBABLY TO NOTE THAT THE LOTS ONE AND TWO ARE INACCESSIBLE FROM GUM DRIVE.
UH, SO PART OF THE REASON WHY HE'S LOOKING TO RELA.
AT THIS TIME, UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC MEETING AT 6 46 AND MOVE TO SEVEN C.
UM, PARDON ME, WE HAVE NOT DONE A WA THE WAIVER DEAL YET, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IS CAN, IS THERE A MOTION? CAN ONLY HAVE A DISCUSSION MOTION WITH THE MOTION IN A SECOND.
OH, WITH THE MOTION IN A SECOND.
THERE'S NO MOTION OR NO SECOND THEN NOBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS IT? NO.
AFTER WE CAN AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT THE, THE ISSUE IS RIGHT NOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH THE WAIVER BEFORE WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
AND SO PEOPLE AT SEVEN A RIGHT, PEOPLE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE WAIVER.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION COMES AFTER.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE BEFORE WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
LET'S DO, THEN WE, THEN WE VOTE ON IT.
ALRIGHT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK A COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS WAIVER, I JUST, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CHANGED FIVE LOTS TO FOUR, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
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THAT'S WHERE IT COMES THE PART OF LOTS ONE AND TWO.UH, I BELIEVE WHENEVER THEY EXPANDED THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR FIVE 17, IT TOOK SOME OF, UH, THAT FIRST LOT.
AND CAN YOU PUT THE OTHER, UH, SHOUT UP HERE OF THAT ONE? YES.
SO THIS, THIS IS WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR AS A WAIVER, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AS FAR AS THE LOT WIDTH? YES SIR.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON ONE OF 'EM.
AND YOU SAY THAT DIFFERS FROM THE UDC? CORRECT.
THE UDC UH, REQUIRES THE, THE LOT WIDTH BE THE AVERAGE OF THE BLOCK FACE.
AND SO WHEN WE CALCULATED THAT AVERAGE, IT CAME OUT TO 85 FEET, UH, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE 75, UH, REQUESTED FOR THE THREE LOTS AND THE 43 REQUESTED FOR THE ONE, EVEN THOUGH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA IS ABOUT YEAH, YEAH.
THIS ISN'T CONSIDERING, UH, THE AREA, THIS IS ONLY FOR LOT WIDTH IS THE ONLY REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE HOUSES.
BECAUSE I'M SEEING LIKE WHAT HAPPENS IN GALVESTON WHEN ONE CATCHES ON FIRE, THEY ALL CATCH ON FIRE.
AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THESE ARE PRETTY WIDE, UH, COMPARED TO MOST RESIDENTIAL.
YOU SEE 60 FOOT A LOT, YOU SEE 50 FOOT A LOT.
UM, HOW MANY FEET DOES IT HAVE TO BE FROM, FROM THE LOT, LOT LINE? UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SETBACK 10 FOOTED.
IT, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 10 FOOT.
I DON'T HAVE IT UP I 10 OR FIVE.
TYPICALLY IT'S FIVE, FIVE FOOT, FIVE FOOT FOOT, TWO OR FIVE ON EACH SIDE.
AND, AND EVEN IF FIVE FOOT IS IS NORMALLY A MINIMUM, IF YOU GO BELOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT FIRE RATING THE WALLS.
SO TRAVIS, WHEN YOU, WHEN THEY, YOU HAVE REQUESTED FROM STAFF TO SET IT BACK WHAT, TO TO 30 FEET OR? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, WE BOTH KIND OF CAME TO THE AGREEMENT.
30 FEET WOULD BE, UH, NOT A BIG ASK.
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE WIDTH THEN? I KNOW NOT AT THE FRONT.
SO IT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME FRONTAGE, UH, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT'S GONNA, THE WHERE THE BUILD LINE IS, THE PROPERTY WILL BE WIDER, NOT QUITE THE 75 AS THE OTHER LOTS, BUT CLOSER CL CLOSE TO 75 AT THAT POINT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY EXACT MEASUREMENT, BUT IT, IT'LL BE WIDER THAN THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
TRAVIS IS, UH, THE 35 FOOT SETBACK, IS THAT ONLY FOR LOT? FOUR.
WE RECOMMEND IT FOR LOT FOUR ONLY.
WE WILL KEEP THE OTHER ONES AT 20 JUST TO ADD THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WIDTH WOULD THEN BE.
BUT IT, I'VE SEEN THE SURVEY BEFORE AND UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK TO THE BOARD, THE, IT IS, IT'S PART OF LOTS ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE LOTS WERE NOT WHOLE ORIGINALLY ANYWAY, SO THEY WOULD'VE BEEN REPLANTED ANYWAY AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO.
SO WITH THE LIMITED INGRESS TO THE, UH, PROPERTY IS THE PURPOSE OF THE WAIVER? CORRECT.
AND SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDE SETBACK, IT IS FIVE.
IT IS WHAT? FIVE FOOT MINIMUM.
SO IT'D BE 10 BETWEEN YES MA'AM.
NOT LARGE ROOM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
HEY TRAVIS, CAN YOU READ THAT? UM, WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE, THE MINIMUM BLOCK WIDTH AND THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, AS WELL AS THE, THE BLOCK BASE, IT HAD TWO OTHER PARTS AND WERE MEETING AND EXCEEDING TWO OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
HAVE THE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT LETTER THAT Y'ALL GAVE US OR? NO, IT LIKE YOU, WHEN YOU READ YOUR WS AND UH, THE INSTRUCTIONS, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM UH, 50 FOOT, LOTS OF MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHATEVER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN.
AND THEN IT ALSO HAD ANOTHER CONDITION ABOUT THE AVERAGE BLOCK FACE.
BUT THERE, IF YOU TOOK THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION, THEN THERE WERE OTHER, CAN YOU COME UP TO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WHERE RECORDING? YEAH, WELL HE LOOKS AT THAT.
IT SAID THERE WERE, UH, A LOT OF OTHER LOTS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION THAT ARE 50 FOOT WIDE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, SOME OF 'EM ARE WIDER IN THE FRONT AND THEN SMALLER IN THE BACK.
AND THEN SOME OF 'EM ARE, UM, SMALLER IN THE BACK AND WIDER IN THE FRONT.
BUT AS YOU GO AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM THAT ARE AROUND 50 FEET WHI WHICH HE'S ABOUT TO SHOW OR, OR READ WHAT IT SAYS WHERE IT SAYS MINIMUM AMOUNT SIZE 50 AND WE'RE DOING 75 MM-HMM
AND THEN WE HAVE THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT'S JUST THE, THE AVERAGE OF THE BLOCK FACE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT ROAD KIND OF TURNS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S A LOT WIDER.
SO THERE'S MORE WATERFRONT BUT LESS STREET FRONTAGE.
AND, AND I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE MINIMUM 50 FOOT? UM, IN THERE IT TALKED ABOUT LIKE MINIMUM 50 FOOT WIDE LOT.
UM, NO, IT IT, IT HAD THREE CONDITIONS AND WHEN WE MET TWO OUT OF THE THREE FOR A WAIVER, UH, YEAH.
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UM, I I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.SO TRAVIS, YOU GET FROM, YOU DO THE AVERAGE FROM INTERSECTION TO INTERSECTION? YES.
RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT, UH, IT DEFINES THE BLOCK FACES ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD BETWEEN INTERSECTING POINTS.
SO, UM, YOU WENT ALL THE WAY FROM FIVE 17 TO SCENIC OR TO BRUCE, IT'S FIVE 17 TO, I GUESS THAT'S SCENIC SEE LOT 20 MM-HMM
SO FROM LOT ONE AND TWO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LOT 20.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MEASUREMENTS HERE.
AND ALL THESE MEASUREMENTS LOOK TO BE A HUNDRED FEET CLOSE TO, AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU GOT TO THE 85.
WELL, WHEN YOU GET DOWN CLOSER TO LOT 20, THOSE ARE SMALLER.
THERE'S A COUPLE THAT ARE 50, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT ARE IN THE EIGHTIES, LOT 20 IS PAST THE INTERSECTION.
SO YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, 13, ONE THROUGH 13, CORRECT? OR NO, THE MOST, NO, THAT'S NOT HOW THE BLOCK FACE IS DEFINED.
NO, NO, IT'S, IT'S THAT IS ONE BLOCK ONE THROUGH 20.
WELL THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF YOU, YOU USE INTERSECTION TO INTERSECTION BECAUSE CALIFORNIA STREET GOES A LONG WAY.
BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING FROM THE INTERSECTION OF 37TH TO 38TH, YOU CAN COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT BLOCK FACE I GUESS.
RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
AND UH, THAT WOULD BE, THE BLOCK FACE IS JUST BETWEEN THOSE TWO STREETS.
WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN SCENIC DRIVE, GUM DRIVE BEING AN INTERSECTION? UH, 'CAUSE THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WHOLE STREET IS A LOT QUESTION.
I I YEAH, I GOT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO YOU'RE BEYOND THE INTERSECTION WHEN YOU GET, WOULD THOSE, WHY WOULD THE LOTS BE NUMBERED ONE THROUGH 20 IF IT'S NOT ONE BLOCK? BUT YOU WERE SAYING INTERSECTION TO INTERSECTION.
INTERSECTION IN CASE KEVIN SAID AT INTERSECTION 14.
AND THAT'S WHAT I ASKED THE QUESTION.
THAT'S WHAT HE WAS ASKING AND I WAS ASKING IT FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES.
I THINK IT'S, I LIKE SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? VERSUS WHAT THAT I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE THE SUBDIVISION.
SO YEAH, I THINK THE SUBDIVISION, SO AS IT'S DEFINED, IT SAYS, UH, ALL LOTS ON THE BLOCK FRONTING ON A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET OF ANY CLASSIFICATION, UH, ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET AND BETWEEN TWO CONSECUTIVE STREET INTERSECTIONS, NOT INCLUDING ALLEYS.
SO THIS IS WHAT SAF HAS IDENTIFIED AS A BLOCK FACE.
SHOULD WE CALL FOR THE VOTE AT THIS TIME OR ANY MORE DISCUSSION YET? I'LL SECOND THE VOTE.
WHAT IS HE DOING? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND NOW WE ARE, UM, I SEE NOW WE'RE ON THE PLOT, RIGHT? WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE NOW CONSIDERATION, UH, YEAH.
SEVEN C AND POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING REQUEST TO APPROVE TROPICAL GARDENS.
I'M GONNA SAY THE WHOLE THING.
BLOCK SIX PARTIAL RE PLAT ADMINISTRATIVE DASH MINOR PLAT BEING APPROXIMATELY 1.34 ACRES FOR PARCEL 3 7 5 9 1 3 LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF GUM DRIVE AND EAST FM FIVE 17 AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 36, PAGE THREE POINT OF LOTS, ONE THROUGH THREE AND ALL OF FOUR AND FIVE, ONE DASH ONE BLOCK SIX TROPICAL GARDENS.
SO I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING FOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.
NOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR.
BASED ON PUTTING, PUTTING THE 30, 30 YEARS SET.
SO AT THIS TIME THE PLAT, UH, DOES MEET OUR REGULATIONS WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER.
SO THE PLAT WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED WITH 30 FOOT SETBACK, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE WAIVER? YES SIR.
SO IS THAT PART OF THE MOTION? THAT PART? YES.
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THE WAIVER, WHICH YOU GUYS, SO YES.[8. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
AGENDA ITEMS. SORRY, WE'RE BOTH PUSHING BUTTONS.SO, UH, NO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DID Y'ALL WANNA DISCUSS UH, WORKSHOP MEETING, UH, DATE OR I CANNOT DO WEDNESDAYS.
ON WEDNESDAYS I CANNOT, I DO FIRE TRAINING.
WELL, LET'S NOT DO WEDNESDAYS 'CAUSE WE WOULD LIKE YOU THERE.
I JUST, WEDNESDAYS AND SATURDAYS ARE OVER.
SO, UM, HOW ABOUT A WHOOP, HOW ABOUT A, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, TRAVIS? WE'VE BEEN DRAGGING THIS THING OUT FOR TWO MONTHS.
I KNOW IT, UH, I AM CHECKING THE CITY CALENDAR.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN DRAGGING IT OUT.
I THINK IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK.
WE HADN'T, WE HADN'T FINISHED IT.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT FOR TWO MONTHS.
YOU FORGOT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE AND WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE DOING DOGGONE WELL, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, UH, I'LL GO ON RECORD SAYING IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED WORK.
THANK I I'M SAYING IS IS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE GOT IT DONE ALREADY.
WELL THERE'S A LOT TO IT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IT HAS TAKEN WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE AND THAT'S MY MY OPINION AND, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GO PAST TWO HOURS ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT A ONE SITTING, IT'S NOT VERY PRODUCTIVE.
JOHN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORKSHOP WITHOUT EVERYBODY BEING HERE.
BECAUSE IF WE SCHEDULE SOMETHING WITHOUT HENDERSON AND HE MAY NOT SHOW UP AND WE ALREADY HEARD THAT WEDNESDAYS AND SATURDAYS ARE NOT GOOD.
AND I'LL JUST INTERJECT THAT EARLY VOTING'S GOING ON NOW.
AND SO ONCE WE GET IN 12 HOUR DAYS, WHICH STARTS SATURDAY, THEN I WON'T BE AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT WEEK AND A HALF OR SO.
OKAY? THEN AFTER THE THIRD, NOW I'M, I'M GOOD.
UH, I JUST HATE TO SEE IT GO INTO MARCH WHEN WE PROMISED WE'D HAVE IT DONE.
HOW MUCH MORE? 'CAUSE I WASN'T AT THE LAST, I SET FOOD.
SO AT AT LEAST
YEAH, WE ALMOST GOT TO THE END OF THE ZONING MAP.
OH NO, NOT UNLESS YOU WANNA DO IT AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AND THERE'S A CONSIDERATION MAYBE OF, UH, OTHER TEXT AMENDMENTS AFTER, AFTER YOU GUYS GET THROUGH THE MAP, RIGHT? A AFTER YOU FINISHED ZONING, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE EDC.
UM, SO HOW ABOUT THE FIFTH? THAT'S A THURSDAY.
SO DMD HAS A MEETING ON THE FIFTH DICKINSON MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE THIRD'S NO GOOD.
SO, SO WE CAN'T HAVE A ROOM IF THEY'RE HAVING A MEETING.
SO THEY HAVE THIS ROOM BOOKED.
UH, SO WE COULD DO IT IN MEETING ROOM TWO, BUT THAT'S FINE.
WHAT DAY WE HAVE THE SMALL TV IN THERE.
IN THE LITTLE ROOM? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? CAN WE SEE THE YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WE HAVE A SMALL TV AND, AND Y'ALL DON'T HAVE MONITORS, HUH? WE HAVE A SMALL TV IN THAT ROOM.
AND Y'ALL DON'T HAVE MONITORS IN IN FRONT OF YOU? THAT'S HARD TO SEE.
WE'RE OLD AND WE JUMP AROUND A LOT.
WHAT TIME? SO WHAT ABOUT NO, WE CAN'T, WE HAVE THURSDAY THE 12TH.
WE DON'T WANNA MEET IN THAT ROOM.
LIKE PHILIP SAID, WE HAVE, WE WON'T BE MARCH 12TH.
YES, MARCH 12TH IS OPEN THURSDAY.
HOW ABOUT THE 10TH? THE TUESDAY THE 10TH IS THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THE NINTH THAT I HAVE, I LEWIS BOARD MEETING.
I'M OUTTA TOWN ON 11TH OR THE 14TH.
HOW ABOUT THE 16TH? UH, THERE IS NOTHING ON THE CALENDAR FOR THE 16TH.
WE DO HAVE A REGULARLY SCHEDULED P AND Z MEETING THE FOLLOWING DAY ON THE 17TH.
SO WE'LL BE USED TO GETTING OUT
I DON'T SEE FINISH THAT NIGHT UNLESS YOU WANNA DO ON THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, BUT
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NIGHT I DON'T SEE IT'S FINISHED ON THAT NIGHT.THE P AND Z WORKSHOP, THE AMENDMENT SIX 30, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE DONE THAT NIGHT.
AND WE WILL FINISH NO MATTER WHAT.
IF WE HAVE TO DRAG OUR LITTLE SAUCE.
SIX 30 IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN MEETING WATERFRONT.
SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.
YOU GOOD WITH THAT THOUGH? ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU'LL SEND US A REMINDER? I WILL.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN A SECOND.