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OKAY.UM, GOING TO CALL THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE
[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, WORK SPECIAL WORKSHOP, UH, AT 6 33.AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, ROLL CALL WILLIAM BROWN.
AND, UH, CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM IS MADE.
UH, AND IF WE'LL STAND, I'LL DO THE INVOCATION.
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST PRAISE YOUR NAME THAT WE'RE ABLE TO STAND TODAY AND, UH, IN FREEDOM AND BE ABLE TO WORK AS COMMUNITY TO DO THE BEST FOR OUR CITY AND FOR THE RESIDENTS WITHIN.
AND WE JUST THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE STANDING ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME, WE ASK AMEN.
MR. PHILIP, WILL YOU DO THAT? OKAY.
TO UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION, GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH PLEA I JUSTICE FOR ALL, AND THE TEXAS UNDER TEXAS FLAG, FLAG, ALLEG ALL TO THESE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE AND INDIVIDUAL.
OKAY, AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME LASTING MORE.
COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO AT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.
AND NOT INDIVIDUALS OF THE COMMISSION OR STAFF.
ANY SPEAKER MAY MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.
THE COMMISSION, UH, MAY NOT DELIBERATE, SO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I GUESS I COULD ASK THAT AT THE BEGINNING.
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DO NEW BUSINESS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAPS.AND AT WHAT POINT ARE WE NOW, UH, MR. UH, SO THE END OF LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE WE CONCLUDED ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY THREE.
IS THAT Y'ALL'S RECOLLECTION AS WELL? THAT IS WHAT I HAD.
AND SO I DID PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH, THIS IS THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN MAP, AND SO WE APPROXIMATELY ENDED RIGHT HERE.
AND IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SWITCH TO THE ZONING MAP.
CAN WE, COULD WE HAVE A LITTLE QUICK RETRAINING ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATION AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? THE BASIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO? CERTAINLY.
TRAVIS, DO YOU WANNA GIVE A BASIC MM-HMM
SO HERE'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, HAS THE PURPOSE LISTED AT THE TOP.
UH, SUPPOSED TO PRESERVE THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS BY APPLYING STANDARDS THAT ENABLE, UH, TO EXTENT, UH, PRACTICAL INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF MODEST CHANGES TO NON-CONFORMING USES STRUCTURES AND LOTS.
UH, SO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ARE, UH, A LOT OF AVERAGES.
SO IT WILL TAKE THE AVERAGE OF THE LOT AREA WITH AND FRONTAGE BUILD OUT OF THE AVERAGE PLOTTED LOTS ON THE, ON THE BLOCK FACE.
UH, SO, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND TOO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION THEN IS MORE TRYING TO PRESERVE, UM, SUBDIVISIONS, ET CETERA.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO SAY LIKE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL HAS CLEAR CUT STANDARDS.
SO, UH, YOUR LOT WIDTH, SETBACKS, ET CETERA, ARE ALL GONNA BE LAID OUT AS A FINITE AMOUNT.
SAME HERE AS SOLID SETBACKS, 25 FEET.
UH, IF YOU GOT AN INFILL, IT'LL BE 20 FEET, SAME ACCESSORIES.
SO THAT'S MORE LIKE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, MORE SO THAN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
THIS WOULD BE EASIER TO APPLY TO A, A NEW DEVELOPMENT OKAY.
VERSUS AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S A PRIMARY DIFFERENCE.
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YES, SIR.SO THOSE SEEM TO BE THE TWO PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HERE MM-HMM
THE, THE OTHER ONE IS URBAN TRANSITION, THAT BROWN AREA THERE, THERE, YOU SHOW URBAN TRANSITION.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, THERE ARE HOUSES MAYBE IN THERE IN, UM, SOUTH OF FIVE 17, JUST EAST OF, UM, YEAH, THAT BROWN AREA RIGHT ALONG, RIGHT ALONG HERE.
ACTUALLY, THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE DETAILS IT'S SHOWING ON THE MAP.
THERE SEEM TO BE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALL BACK IN HERE.
WHY IS THAT? WHY IS THAT URBAN TRANSITION AND NOT, UM, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? WELL, THERE ARE APARTMENTS ALSO.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THOSE AREN'T HOUSES.
WELL, I'M, I'M SURE SOME OF THEM ARE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, UH, WHAT THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT NOW IS THAT WE HAVE PASSED AN AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT, UH, WITH THE SAME PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS THE, THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO WE PERMITTED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO BE BUILT IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT AND THE STANDARDS THAT THEY WOULD GO BY AS FAR AS LOT WIDTH AND, UH, SETBACKS, STUFF LIKE THAT IS GOING TO MIRROR WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO IT'S GONNA LOOK JUST LIKE THIS, UH, AS FAR AS LOT AREA AND WIDTH.
THAT MAP, AREN'T THERE ALREADY HOUSES IN THOSE, THOSE LOTS THAT ARE SHOWN UP THERE? CORRECT.
SO WHAT WHAT THAT DID IS IT TOOK THOSE HOUSES AND TOOK THEM FROM NON-CONFORMING, EXISTING NONCONFORMING TO, UH, CONFORMING.
SO, SO PUTTING THEM IN URBAN TRANSITION, DOES THAT, UH, ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN URBAN TRANSITION? CORRECT.
IT MAKES SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT EXIST CURRENTLY IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT, UH, CONFORMING.
SO WHAT IS THE GOAL OF ALL OF THIS URBAN TRANSITION IN THIS EAST SIDE? MM-HMM
THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO INCREASE DENSITY IN THE SHORT TERM.
WELL, I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW DOES THAT DIFFER FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT'S IN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CON CONSERVATION? I MEAN, IF, IF THAT ANALOGY APPLIES THERE, WHY DOESN'T IT APPLY TO SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS? OR WHY DOESN'T THE, WHY DOESN'T IT APPLY TO THE, THE WEST SIDE? WHY ARE WE DOING ALL OF THAT ON THE EAST SIDE? IS MY QUESTION.
THERE'S MORE INDUSTRIAL ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO IT'S THE, I'M READING IT AS THE, THE TRANSITION FROM THAT INDUSTRIAL TO SOME SORT OF TRANSITION INSTEAD OF ESSENTIALLY BACKING UP TO A, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, YOU'RE TA THIS, THIS, UM, UM, RED IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RED SIGNIFICANT? NO, THE PURPLE.
THE, THE PURPLE IS, IS, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
SO THAT IS, IS THAT THE OLD PICO PLANT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
IT'S NOT THE WHOLE OF EAST SIDE IS, IS INDUSTRIAL.
BUT THE WAY IT, THE WAY IT LOOKS, I'M SEE I'M A FIGHTER FOR THE EAST SIDE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MANY FIGHTERS FOR THE EAST SIDE
YOU KNOW, AND SO YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A DENSE POPULATION ON THAT SIDE.
SO THE, THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT IS, IS JUST WHAT IT SAYS IN THE NAME.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO TRANSITION FROM A DOWNTOWN AREA INTO A, A LESS DENSE RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO RIGHT HERE IN THE PURPOSE, UH, ACCOMMODATES AREAS IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW, UH, AND IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE AN AREA THAT TRANSITIONS FROM HIGHER DENSITY SLASH INTENSITY USES, UH, IN THE DOWNTOWN TO ABUTTING LESS STENTS OR INTENSE AREAS.
AND SO THAT IS RELATIVELY WHAT IT DOES HERE.
YOU SEE THE BLUE IS YOUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND SURROUNDING IT, YOU HAVE THIS MOSTLY URBAN TRANSITION THAT WILL EVENTUALLY FADE INTO WHAT WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION HERE.
UH, THE LIGHTER YELLOW OKAY, HOLD ON, TRAVIS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE URBAN TRANSITION'S TO GO LESS DENSE MM-HMM
IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WE HAVE BEEN TOLD.
IT'S LESS DENSE THAN DOWNTOWN.
SO YOUR HIGHEST DENSITY IS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, AND THEN YOU REDUCE DENSITY TO YOUR URBAN TRANSITION
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AND YOU REDUCE DENSITY AGAIN TO YOUR, TO THE NO PER OF CONSERVATION.BUT BEFORE YOU HAD HOMES AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA, THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO GET MULTIPLE UNITS, RIGHT? MORE THAN SINGLE FAMILY.
SO THAT SOUNDS MORE DENSE, DOESN'T IT? JUST SAYING, WELL, IT'S MULTIPLE UNITS IS MORE DENSE THAN RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S IN ITS NAME.
IT'S THE TRANSITION, IT'S THE GOING FROM ESSENTIALLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO DOWNTOWN.
IT ALLOWS FOR THAT TRANSITION, I THINK.
I UNDERSTAND THAT LARGE BROWN AREA.
OF BEING, BUT THE SURROUNDING LOTS TO THE SOUTH, THERE ARE ALREADY HOMES THERE.
I SEE HOW RIGHT THERE, WHY, WHY ARE THEY, I CAN SEE THAT YELLOW, LIKE THE REST OF IT.
AND THE, THE DEFINITION THAT YOU'RE GIVEN FOR THE BROWN AREA, THE URBAN TRANSITION, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT APPLY TO THAT BIG VACANT AREA, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TO AREAS WHERE THEIR HOUSES EXIST.
SO YOU'RE TALKING OFF OF 44TH YEAH.
ON BOTH SIDES OF 44TH STREET QUESTION.
AND WHAT'S THE BIG BRAND? SO I WANNA REMIND YOU GUYS THAT COUNCIL ALREADY TOOK ACTION TO MAKE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL A BY RIGHT PRIVILEGE OF URBAN TRANSITION.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WERE ALREADY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE.
THE BUYRIGHT PRIVILEGE DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE.
AND SO NOW IT DOES EXIST WITHIN THE URBAN TRANSITION AREA.
BUT KEVIN, THE, UH, EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS, AND THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WENT TO THE WEST SIDE, THEY GOT RID OF ALMOST ALL OF THE URBAN TRANSITION.
AM I CORRECT? I MEAN, KEVIN, I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT KEVIN SAID.
DID YOU SAY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CHANGED? YES.
ALL THE, THE URBAN TRANSITION BY RIGHT PRIVILEGE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CON UH, HOUSES IS ALREADY BEEN REESTABLISHED.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN CURRENTLY BUILD A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND EARN AN URBAN TRANSITION.
OR IF YOUR EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS DESTROYED, YOU COULD REBUILD IT.
BUT TRAVIS, THE, THE, THE GOAL AND COUNSEL, THE GOAL OF, UH, URBAN, UH, TRANSITION IS FOR MORE DENSITY THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
EVEN THOUGH YOU ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE, THE GOAL HAS BEEN FOR MORE DENSITY TO ALLOW FOR MORE DENSITY.
SO WHEN WE WERE ON THE WEST SIDE, WE GOT RID OF ALMOST ALL OF THAT.
AND NOW WE'RE HERE OVER IN THE EAST SIDE AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE URBAN TRANSITION.
YOU'RE GIVING ME EX REASONS WHY IT SHOULD STAY.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? UM, IF THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, I MEAN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE EXISTING, IF YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER CHANGING THAT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M IN THE ZONING MAP, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE REDUCTION OF THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONE.
I, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, UH, IS THAT FAIR? OH, COULD YOU MAKE THAT BIGGER? WHAT IS THIS BIG BROWN? IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE FIRE STATION, ISN'T IT? YEAH, IT'S THE FIRE STATION.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRE STATION RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR.
THE LITTLE SQUARE FIRE STATION'S WHERE THE AREA, WELL, WHAT, WHAT IS THE OPEN THING IS WHAT I'M ASKING? I BELIEVE IT'S JUST OPEN.
WHO OWNS THAT? IS THAT NEXT TO AJ'S? UH, IT'S ON THE, YEAH, IT'S BETWEEN AJ'S AND THE FIRE STATION.
SO I SUGGEST WE DON'T REALLY WANT APARTMENTS THERE.
I MEAN, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT DEVELOPED IF THE GUY EVER SOLD IT.
I THINK HE HAS INTENTIONS, ACTUALLY.
I MEAN, I THINK HE HAS THE WILL AND DESIRE TO WANNA DO SOMETHING COMMERCIALLY ON THE FRONTAGE OF THAT, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A LONG AREA AND IT DOES STRETCH BACK INTO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THINGS.
AND SO I COULD SEE THE POTENTIAL FOR A DEVELOPER ONE COME THROUGH AND MAYBE PUT 42ND STREET IN AT SOME POINT AND THEN DEVELOP SOME HOUSES ALONG THERE.
UM, WELL, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, PHILIP DID THAT 44TH STREET, THAT AREA BE NEIGHBORHOOD
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COMMERCIAL AT CON CONSERVATION.PARDON ME, OBSERVATION ON BOTH SIDES OF 44TH STREET.
ALSO, THE CALIFORNIA AREA OVER THERE THAT YOU DON'T, I MEAN YOU WOULDN'T REALLY WANT RIGHT NOW.
UH, YOU REALLY WOULDN'T WANT, UM, CORRECT.
Y'ALL DISCUSSED FIVE 17, UH, WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS.
SO APPROXIMATELY THE LAST TIME I BELIEVE WE LEFT OFF RIGHT AT HIGHWAY THREE.
EVERYTHING WEST OF HIGHWAY THREE.
UM, SO TODAY, IF Y'ALL WANNA START, IF YOU WANNA START OVER HERE, WE WE CAN, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY BACKTRACK, MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE RIGHT AREA.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING? SO THIS IS APPROXIMATELY HIGHWAY THREE.
SO IF YOU WANT, WE CAN START AT FARTHER SOUTH, WORK AWAY NORTH.
THOSE ARE ALL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND, AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT GENERAL? GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
THE PALE YELLOW IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE GREEN IS RURAL IN A STATE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK GUYS? SEEMS I SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT? YEAH, I DON'T EITHER.
I THOUGHT WE'D ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT I THOUGHT TOO, SO MAKES SENSE WHAT IT IS.
OKAY, LET'S GO BACK AND WHAT'S THE DEEP RED THEN? THE DEEP RED IS AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
AND SO THIS IS HUGHES AS A GAS STATION HERE.
THIS IS A ROAD AND BRIDGE BASEBALL FIELD.
THE GREEN IS MIXED USE UHHUH
UH, SO KEEP IN MIND, MIXED USE IS ONE OF TWO DISTRICTS THAT HAS BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
HAS WHAT? BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, SO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND MIXED USE DISTRICT BOTH REQUIRE, UH, CERTAIN DESIGN ASPECTS OF THE, OKAY.
AND THEN THE PURPLE IS INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL WCID THAT'S AT PAN RICO.
AND THE WATER DISTRICT HAS SOME OF THAT, DON'T THEY? RIGHT? ISN'T THERE A SEWER PLANT THERE? MM-HMM
THIS IS WCID HERE AND I THINK HERE BOTTOM OF NEBRASKA.
AND SO THIS IS OUR FAVORITE URBAN TRANSITION RIGHT HERE.
NOTICE THE, THE BUFFER BETWEEN DOWNTOWN URBAN TRANSITION, WE GOT SOME INDUSTRIAL AND THEN THE REGULAR RESIDENTIAL ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THAT.
SO WE WANT URBAN TRANSITION ALONG THE BAYOU.
UH, POSSIBLY IT LOOKS LIKE A EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY HOME HERE AT 48TH? OR IS THAT, LEMME VERIFY RIGHT? PULL THAT.
PRETTY MUCH LOOKS LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD, DOESN'T IT?
SO ON THE CORNER THERE'S A HOUSE.
THIS IS A SMALL, I THINK ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S REALLY MORE MIXED USE RIGHT THERE, ISN'T IT? IT'S COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY PERMITTED IN THE, UM, UT UH, SOME IS PRETTY, IT'S NOT VERY INTENSE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED THERE.
I THINK IT'S LIMITED TO SPACE S SQUARE FEET.
I THINK WOULDN'T THAT BE BETTER AS A MIXED USE THAN WHY IS THIS LOOK WEIRD? SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THIS IS OUR URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT IN THE COMMERCIAL USES ARE, ARE VERY MILD, UH, DAYCARES, EDUCATIONAL GOVERNMENT PARKS GO, GO DOWN.
UTILITIES ARE ALL, ALL PERMIT.
THAT'S A MINOR UTILITY THAT'S IN THERE NOW IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY IS A MINOR
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UTILITY.IT JUST, UM, IT IS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE A LIGHT COMMERCIAL USE, BUT, UM, I GUESS I, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER MAKING SURE THAT THE CURRENT OCCUPANT AND OWNERS WOULD STILL GET TO CONTINUE TO USE HIS BUSINESS IN THE EVENT.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT MIXED IS MIGHT BE BETTER.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA FALL INTO, WE CALL BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTOR RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE PERMITTED IN, UH, I THINK THESE ARE INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
THE LAST THREE AUTOCENTRIC, UH, BUSINESS PARK AND INDUSTRIAL.
WHAT'S A BUSINESS PARK? A ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE DON'T HAVE
UH, WELL THAT COULD BE, I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S, THOSE ARE ALL LITTLE BUSINESSES RIGHT THERE ALONG WITH THAT ELECTRIC COMPANY.
UH, SO I I RULES FOR BUSINESS PARK WE DON'T, UH, COMPLY WITH, RIGHT.
I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK MY NOTES, BUT I'M FAIRLY SURE IN, UH, ONE OF OUR EARLY MEETINGS THAT, UH, THAT IT WAS REQUESTED THE BUSINESS PARK ZONING DISTRICT BE REMOVED.
THAT WAS A REQUEST BY THE COMMISSION.
WELL, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT THEN? WHERE THOSE GUYS ARE? I DON'T WANT TO, THE WHOLE IDEA IS NOT TO GET INTO A GRANDFATHERING IN SITUATION.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S CHALLENGING AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UH, WELL YOU GOT CORTEZ BROTHERS UP THERE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE RIGHT.
THAT'S NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON MAIN.
OH, YOU TALKING ABOUT OVER HERE? YEAH.
POTENTIAL FOR RETAIL IN THAT LOCATION IF THE OCCUPANT OF EVER WANTED TO MOVE AND SOMEBODY TOOK OVER IT AND IT'S HIGHWAY THREE FRONTAGE.
I THINK THAT'S WHY THE LIKE 4 7 47 0 1 AND NEXT TO IT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S DEEMED THAT TOO.
THAT'S WHY WHAT, WHY IT'S DEEMED, UH, DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S A, IT'S IDEAL ELECTRICIAN SHOP THERE.
AND THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW IS IT, IS IT GONNA BE THERE? RIGHT.
SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?
BUT IT'S OWNED DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
GENTLEMEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT'S THE LIGHT BROWN AGAIN? URBAN TRANSITION.
WE CHANGE IT TO, WELL YOU GOTTA CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S, OTHERWISE THOSE GUYS ARE ALL GRANDFATHERED IN AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
I MEAN, THE, THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPATIBLE USES ARE NOT ALWAYS GONNA, UH, FIT INTO THE ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, IF WE WERE TO ASSIGN THIS A ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT COMPLIES WITH, IT WOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC OR INDUSTRIAL.
IN REALITY, IF THEY MOVED, THE PURPOSE WOULD CHANGE.
IT'S, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ITS ZONED URBAN TRANSITION.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? IT'S ZONED THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL SHOP, CORRECT? YES.
IT'S ZONED DOWNTOWN, CURRENTLY.
AND SO IF WE FLIPPED IT TO AUTOCENTRIC WHERE IT WOULD BE ALLOWED, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS, UH, LIMITED USE STANDARD.
IT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO WHAT I'D SAY G THREE.
G THREE BE SUBJECT TO THIS RIGHT HERE.
AND SO WHEN I SAY THAT, UH, THAT THE AUTOCENTRIC DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW IT, UH, WHEN WE FLIP BACK TO THE ZONING MAP, THAT WOULD BE ONE PARCEL ZONE AUTOCENTRIC IN
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THE MIDDLE OF A, A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT SPOT, SPOT SPOT ZONING.I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MAKING IT AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT BELONGS ANYWAY, ISN'T IT? SO TO, TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
I'M GOING TO, FIRST LET'S TALK ABOUT 44 19.
AND THAT PARCEL THAT'S ABOVE IT BOTH ARE ON ST.
I BELIEVE THE, THE TOP ONE IS RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK IT CAN STAY RESIDENTIAL AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO.
BUT IF ANYBODY WANTED TO TURN THAT INTO WHATEVER THE REST OF THIS IS, IT SHOULD BE ST.
GORA IS GONNA BE KIND OF A DIVIDER.
ALL THIS STUFF ALONG HIGHWAY THREE THAT WE'RE CALLING DOWNTOWN, SHOULD THAT BE SOME DEGREE OF, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL SLASH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? IS THAT, THAT IS FRONTAGE ON HIGHWAY THREE AND ST.
AND I THE WHOLE ROAD SHOULD BE.
SO TRAVIS, WHAT CHANGES, UH, IF ANY, WOULD THEY NEED TO MAKE IF WE ZONED IT? UH, IF THEY WANTED TO STAY IN THE EXISTING BUSINESS, YEAH.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE NO CHANGES.
THEY CAN CONTINUE TO EXIST AS THEY ARE UNTIL, WELL, I KNOW, I DON'T MEAN YES.
I I SO FUTURE, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEN IF THE, IF THEY CHANGED OWNERSHIP? UH, OWNER OWNERSHIP WOULD NOT AFFECT IF THEY, I MEAN IF THEY MOVE OUT AND A NEW BUSINESS COMES IN, THE NEW BUSINESS WOULD NEED TO, UH, EITHER CONFORM TO THE CURRENT ZONING OR BE OF A SIMILAR OR LESS INTENSE USE AS THE PREVIOUS TENANT.
SO THE UDC LINES OUT A 12 MONTH PERIOD.
UH, I GUESS I'M ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION.
WHERE THE USE WOULD BE CON THE USE WOULD BE CONSIDERED ABANDONED IF IT GOES WITHOUT A USE FOR 12 MONTHS.
I'M STILL AN ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION.
SO IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING FROM DOWNTOWN TO, WHAT WAS IT AUTOCENTRIC? IS THAT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT, UH, CHANGES WOULD NEED TO BE MADE IF, YOU KNOW, FORGET THE GRANDFATHER STUFF, BUT JUST WHAT CHANGES WOULD NEED TO BE MADE TO THE ZONING MAP? NO.
TO THE PROPERTY PEOPLE THAT ARE EXISTING THAT PROPERTY.
IN THE FUTURE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO ZONE THINGS MM-HMM
NOT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO FOR THE FUTURE, WHAT CHANGES WOULD NEED TO BE MADE IN THAT AREA? IF WE ZONED IT AUTO, UM, AUTO, UH, AND WE'RE NOT BEING CONDESCENDING ON THIS.
IT, IT INCREASES THE NUMBER AND TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT COULD BE ALLOWED.
THIS COMPANY THAT'S HERE CAN STAY THAT WAY FOR PERPETRATOR.
NO, I, I, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
IF THEY SELL IT AND THEY GO WITH A BIGGER BUSINESS OR DIFFERENT TYPE THAT MEETS AUTOCENTRIC THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET APPROVAL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET PERMISSION.
I'M NOT, THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO RIGHT NOW, FROM WHAT IT'S OWNED TO AUTOCENTRIC, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
LIKE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT DIFFERENCES? YES.
NOT, NOT FOR THE CURRENT PEOPLE, NOT FOR THE DEAL.
BUT IN THE FUTURE IS THE DIFFERENCE, WOULD IT, WHAT PERMITTED USES WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THE DIFFERENCE FROM AUTOCENTRIC TO YOU SEE THE CHART AGAIN DOWNTOWN.
I UNDERSTAND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
LIKE I SAID, WASN'T TRYING TO BE YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
OH, NO, IT LOOKS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WOULD CHANGE IS WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHOUT HAVING TO BE YEAH.
SEE, OUR WHOLE DEAL IS WE DON'T WANT TO GET UP A BUNCH OF GRANDFATHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO WELL WHAT WE, WE ARE, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT WAY.
UH, THERE'S HOUSES ON PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING AS COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S GONNA STAY RESIDENTIAL UNTIL IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT SOMEBODY DECIDES THEY WANT TO MAKE IT WANNA BUY A HOUSE.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL ON THE WEST SIDE OF NOT DOING A LOT OF THAT.
UH, WE HAVE A, A GIANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT HAS A CHURCH ON IT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE LOOKED AT THINGS, WE LOOKED AT 'EM AS, AS THEY ARE AND MADE CHANGES, BUT, SO WE'RE CHANGING THIS.
I JUST BROUGHT THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE, IF THAT WAS WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS.
WHAT USES WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THEY WOULD CHANGE IT TO AUTOCENTRIC VERSUS EXISTING AS DOWNTOWN.
SO RESIDENTIAL STUFF, NOT A BIG DEAL.
AUTOCENTRIC HERE, DOWNTOWN HERE, UH, THERE IS MORE OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAN, UH, AUTOCENTRIC.
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IF YOU WANT NO RESIDENTIAL IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THEN THE AUTOCENTRIC COULD, UH, UH, COULD BE AN OPTION.SO BASICALLY YOU'RE, YEAH, I GOT YOU.
I THINK A GENERAL TERM WOULD BE MORE EMPHASIS ON BUSINESS AND LESS ON HOUSING.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE HOMES AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE OUR CAPABILITIES FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TOO.
AND I THINK THAT'S PREMIUM AREA FOR IT.
AND SEVERAL OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE ARE BACKED UP BY BUSINESSES AND THEY'VE BEEN COEXISTING FOR DECADES.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME FORWARD THINKING ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE WE DON'T JUST LOAD IT UP WITH MORE APARTMENTS AND MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOMES WOULD BE NICE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH BUSINESS EITHER.
UH, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN REVIEWING THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THAT AREA? THAT KIND OF GIVES US A, UH, A WINDOW IN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING.
SO THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AS ADOPTED.
UH, THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS APPROXIMATELY RIGHT HERE.
I WISH I HAD A PDF OF THIS SO WE COULD ZOOM IN, BUT I DON'T AT THE TIME.
SO IT HAS, IT CALLS THE SAME THING PURPLE AS INDUSTRIAL WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE LIGHT BROWN URBAN TRANSITION, THE DARK BROWN OLD TOWN SLASH CITY CENTER.
THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP CALLING THE DOWNTOWN.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED WHEN INSTITUTIONAL.
SEE NOW, NOW WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS MAP THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN AND THIS MAP THAT WE'VE GOT IN FRONT OF US? UH, THE MAP ON THE SCREEN IS WHAT? THE ADOPTED ZONING MAP, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN SHOWING YOU WAS BASED OFF OF.
UH, SO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WERE BOTH ADOPTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE UDC.
UH, SO THE, THE UDC IS BASED OFF OF, OF THESE TWO MAPS, FUTURE LAND USE AND OH YEAH.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO THAT'S THE OFFICIAL MAP THAT EXISTS.
THE ONE ON OUR DESK IS YES, SIR.
THE ONE ON YOUR DESK WAS CREATED BASED OFF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND, AND SO I SAY ALL OF THIS BECAUSE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE BOTH GUIDING DOCUMENTS.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, UH, STAY FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT THOSE ARE.
IT IS OKAY IF WE GET FAR OFF JUST IT, WE KEEP IT IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND THAT IF WE END UP WITH A ZONING MAP THAT IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE HERE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO MATCH.
WHICH ULTIMATELY THAT'LL BE A COUNCIL DECISION TO DO THAT AT THAT POINT.
THIS IS ALL JUST RECOMMENDATION ON OUR SIDE.
SO WITH ALL RESPECT, WE TECHNICALLY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS, BUT IT'LL BE COUNCIL'S CHOICE WHETHER THEY WANT TO ADJUST OUR RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT.
GUIDING DOCUMENT, UH, MYSELF AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UH, IF IT DOES END UP LOOKING THAT WAY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, UH, TO REDO AND ADDRESS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING ILLEGAL OR, OR ANYTHING ABOUT NOT GOING BY THE COMP PLAN, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY A BETTER LOOK TO, UH, TO GO WITH THE ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENT.
SO ZOOM BACK IN ON THAT AREA BY ST.
GORE, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW.
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THERE'S A, IS THAT 44 19 AREA? CORRECT? THIS PARCEL IS UNDEVELOPED.UH, THIS ONE RECENTLY HAD A REMODELED HOME, UH, FINISHED ON IT.
AND WHAT WAS YOUR SUGGESTION TO CHANGE THAT TO CAMERA? UM, WELL WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AUTOCENTRIC FOR SOME OF THE AREAS THERE, UM, SO THAT THEY COMPLIED, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WAS 47 0 1 THOUGH, WASN'T IT? YEAH, THAT I, THAT WE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT THERE, BUT YEAH.
HOW MUCH DO WE DIE WHEN YOU GO FROM DOWNTOWN TO AUTOCENTRIC? AS FAR AS LIKE ALL THE PARKING RULES AND STUFF LIKE THAT? IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT ISN'T IT'S QUESTION.
THE REASON I ASK THAT IS MANY OF THESE LOTS RIGHT HERE, THEY HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES ON IT, ARE NEVER GONNA COMPLY WITH ALL OUR PARKING RULES.
UH, SO I BELIEVE OUR PARKING REGULATIONS ARE MOSTLY BASED OFF OF USE.
UH, NOT NECESSARILY THE ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, SO YOU HAVE USES ON YOUR LEFT AND YOU HAVE REQUIRED PARKING HERE.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE TERM NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMERCIAL
HONESTLY, ALL THAT AREA RIGHT THERE PROBABLY OTHER THAN DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HIGHWAY THREE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT THERE'S A, AN ELECTRIC COMPANY THERE.
WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD SIZED LOT, BUT EVERYTHING ALONG
CONSERVATION? NO, HE IS TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S NOT SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
WHATEVER NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WAS THE LIGHT IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER YOU, WE CALL IT AT, UH, THE END OF EVERGREEN AND R WHATEVER WE CALL THAT JOHN THERE FOUR LOTS AT THE END OF EVERGREEN ROUTE.
WE, WE CHANGED THEM TO SOMETHING THAT'S ALONG FIVE 17.
I'M TRYING TO, IT'S LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, BUT YES, I THINK IT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ANYMORE.
I THOUGHT WE, WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS THERE WAS A ZONE THERE, ALL A SMALL AREA ON BOTH SIDES OF FIVE 17.
THAT WAS GONNA BE COMMERCIAL FOR THINGS LIKE YEAH.
SMALL COMMERCIAL, SMALL, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
IT USED TO BE LIKE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL NOW WE USED TO CALL IT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
SO, SO GO BACK TO, UH, SO IF WE NAMED THAT SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL, DOES THAT WORK? YOU MEAN FOR THE 47 0 1 MM-HMM
UH, THAT WOULD, I MEAN THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT IS NOT A ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS THAT USE.
IF THAT'S WHAT THEIR, YOUR GOAL WAS.
I WOULD WANT TO MAINTAIN THE USE.
SO THE, THE PARCELS THAT ARE FRONTAGE ON HIGHWAY THREE I THINK SHOULD BE EITHER DOWNTOWN OR AUTOCENTRIC.
'CAUSE THEY DO HAVE CAPABILITY FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, EVERYTHING UP TO ST.
THOSE SHOULD BE SMALL, SMALL SCALE, UM, COMMERCIAL.
BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR WHAT'S THERE.
IF, IF THAT BECAME AUTOCENTRIC IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE.
AND ALSO WHATEVER THE LOT IS BELOW THAT.
BUT I'M SAYING IT'S STILL GOT SIZE ENOUGH THAT IT COULD COMPLY WITH AUTOCENTRIC IF IT BECAME THAT.
AND IT IS FRONTAGE ON HIGHWAY THREE.
A GRAY AREA COULD STAY RESIDENTIAL FOREVER OR SOMEBODY COULD BUY IT AND PUT A BUSINESS ON IT IF THEY WANTED TO.
THEY WANTED TO PAY THE RIGHT PRICE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING AVAILABLE FOR THAT IDEA.
SOMEBODY THAT MAKE SENSE, TRAVIS? THAT THAT'S FINAL DECISION.
WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT AREA, THAT 47 0 1 AND THE AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED AIR BEHIND IT BE, UM, AUTOCENTRIC MM-HMM
WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE EXISTING BUSINESS, BUT THEN ALSO
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GIVE PEOPLE IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE.THE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL THOUGH.
BUT THAT, THAT'LL BE, BUT IT WOULD GIVE IDEAS.
THAT'LL BE ONE OF THOSE GRANDFATHERED PLACES.
BUT IF THEY EVER DECIDED TO SELL IT RIGHT.
TURN IT INTO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WANTS TO SPEND AS MUCH AS THEY'RE WILLING TO BUY IT FOR, THEY COULD TURN IT INTO A BUSINESS ASSET.
SO WE'RE DOWN WITH THOSE THREE NOW.
GORE AGAIN, I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT BASICALLY ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE LEFT AND RIGHT OF ST.
GORE, NOT BE DOWNTOWN, BUT BE SMALL RESIDENTIAL, SMALL SCALE RESIDENTIAL.
SORRY, ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, SIR.
SO THIS SLOT, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
THAT AND THEN BASICALLY WHAT IS THAT NOW? COULD YOU PUT BUILD IN THAT? THAT IS A, UH, GATOR BOXING AND PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL ACADEMY.
AND IT USED TO BE A OH YEAH, IT STILL IS.
I THINK A SMALL ENGINE REPAIR SHOP TOO.
I THINK GATOR BOXING I THOUGHT WAS OVER HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A CHURCH OVER THERE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GRAB THIS ADDRESS REAL QUICK.
SOME HOUSES, BUT, UH, THIS IS ALSO WHERE, UH, THE CHICKEN WAFFLE RESTAURANT IS.
AND THERE'S THE DOG, UH, GROOMERS AND ALL THAT.
THERE COULD BE SMALL SCALE, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
THAT SOUND WRONG, YOU GUYS? YEAH.
NOW I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON 29 0 2.
THAT IS CORTEZ BROTHERS, RIGHT.
THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE DOG GROOMERS.
AND 2018, THAT'S THE, UH, AN OFFICE BUILDING, NOT TRYING TO GET INTO SPOT.
WELL SEE, THESE ARE DOWN RIGHT NOW.
SO YEAH, GO GO TO THE ZONING FOR DOWNTOWN, PLEASE EXCUSE ME.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU SHOW THE, THE DEAL THAT SAYS WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO BE IN THAT AREA? CERTAINLY IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE MUCH ROOM FOR PARKING.
SO THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS DESIGNED TO BE WALKABLE.
SO IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THAT.
THERE'S NO NOT ROOM FOR PARKING DOWNTOWN HERE.
THERE'S BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL, SOME RESIDENTIAL, HOLD ON JUST MINUTE.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A MYRIAD OF COMMERCIAL DEALS.
IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO SMALL SCALE, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIALS.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU, PHILLIP.
SO LET'S CHANGE THAT TO SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
WELL ACTUALLY ON THOSE ONES THAT ARE FACING FIVE 17, AND THAT GOES TO BOTH SIDES.
ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASE.
SO FIVE 17 SPLITS RIGHT THERE.
THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE WESTBOUND, I'M GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TURN ALL OF THAT INTO AUTOCENTRIC RIGHT THERE.
UH, AND THAT, THAT IS BASICALLY ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
THAT COULD BE, UH, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO 28 0 1, WHICH IS A, UH, USED TO BE THE BANK, I THINK IT IS.
THAT GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE RAILROAD TRACK ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF FIVE 17, BOTH EAST AND BOUND.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THOSE TO BE AUTOCENTRIC DEFINITELY FITS BETTER THAN DOWNTOWN, I THINK.
IT JUST OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PUT BUSINESSES IN THERE.
AND THERE'S A, ANY ONE OF THOSE LOTS COULD BE PURCHASED TOGETHER AND YOU GOT ALL THE PARKING IN THE WORLD FOR IT.
UH, OVER HERE ON THE, UH, EASTBOUND SIDE SOUTH, THAT'S WHERE THE GUY'S GOT THE CAR SHOP, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A BIG LOT.
43 0 5, UH, BY BENSON 30 14 3009.
THEN YOU GOT THE, THE DOJO RIGHT THERE.
YOU GOT A, A RESTAURANT UP HERE BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
WE'RE ALMOST, I'M GONNA MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
ANYBODY AGREE OR DISAGREE FOR CENTRIC? YES MA'AM.
28 0 1 ALL THE WAY TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON, UH, EAST AND WESTBOUND.
WHERE'S THE 28 0 1? I'M SORRY.
THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S FRONTAGE ON FIVE 17.
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THAT GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN WHERE IT'S RIGHT.SO WHAT COMES DOWNTOWN THEN?
RIGHT? WE'RE TAKING, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF, BUT THAT'S WHERE ONE OF THE, THAT'S, UH, JULIE MASTERS AND I DISAGREED A LONG TIME AGO, IS HOW FAR EAST DO YOU TAKE DOWNTOWN? AND SHE HAD A MENTAL IMAGE OF IT GOING FURTHER INTO EASTERN DICKINSON.
AND I WAS LIKE, EH, FIVE 17 AND HIGHWAY THREE IS KIND OF THE OLD SCHOOL DICKINSON.
AND YOU CAN DO THINGS TO IT TO MAKE IT PRETTY, YOU CAN DO THINGS TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A MORE WALKABLE, BUT ONCE YOU START GETTING AROUND THE RAILROAD TRACKS, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.
AND THEN THAT KIND OF EVEN DOVETAILS WHEN YOU CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND YOU'RE GOING TO NICHOLS.
ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL AUTOCENTRIC BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, UH, THE BAR IS.
THAT'S WHERE THE, THE BIG GAS STATIONS, 41 0 1 IS A GAS STATION.
HERE'S A, WHERE THE NAPA STATION IS, ALL THAT STUFF RIGHT THERE.
UM, 40 15 JUST WENT TO COUNCIL.
AND PLANNING AND ZONING FOR REZONING TO DOWNTOWN.
HE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT ZONING 40 15 DID.
WHAT IS HIS, TELL ME, I CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.
SO HE, UH, HE'S GONNA LEAVE THIS AS EXISTING, BUT HE DOES HAVE PROPOSED LIVE WORK, UM, KIND OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS THAT HE'S GONNA PUT OUT HERE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT HE CAME TO US FOR.
WHAT IS 40 15? IT IS, UH, IT'S A DOLLAR GENERAL.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE RONNIE'S ICE IS.
HE WOULD JUST THINK HE DIDN'T COME TO US FOR THAT.
SOMETHING HE'D WANTED TO BE DOWNTOWN.
IT SHOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC IS WOULD BE MORE TO HIS BENEFIT.
SO THE, THE AUTOCENTRIC ZONING DISTRICT, IF HE WAS JUST LOOKING TO DO THIS ONE PARCEL AS AUTOCENTRIC, IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT BE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF DUE TO SPOT ZONING.
WELL, YOU KNOWN IT, BUT WE'RE TURNING ALL THIS, IT WOULDN'T BE SPOT ZONING AT THAT POINT.
BUT WHEN HE SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION AS ONE PROPERTY OWNER, YEAH.
YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING TO FLIP ONE PROPERTY TO AUTOCENTRIC.
IF YOU WERE TO CALL HIM TOMORROW AND GO, HEY, WOULD YOU PREFER IT TO BE DOWNTOWN OR WOULD YOU PREFER IT TO BE AUTOCENTRIC? WHAT DO YOU THINK HIS ANSWER WOULD BE? I'M ASKING YOUR OPINION.
I THINK HE'D WANT AUTOCENTRIC BECAUSE IT OPENS HIM UP TO A LOT MORE CAPABILITIES TO BE DIFFERENT THINGS.
BECAUSE WHEN IT CAME TO US, HE WANTED RETAIL.
RETAIL'S PERMITTED IN DOWNTOWN.
BUT DID HE WANT ALSO ON AUTOCENTRIC? DID IT, WAS IT WALKABILITY? WELL, NOW IT'S GONNA BE SPOT ZONED BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE THE ONLY DOWNTOWN SPOT.
EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT IS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL URBAN TRANSITION OR AUTOCENTRIC.
WELL, IF YOU MAKE IT AUTOCENTRIC, HE CAN DO ANYTHING NEAR THAT HE CAN DO DOWNTOWN.
SO IF I CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, WELL, HE MAY WANT TO SAY HE'S DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL.
I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO BY RECOMMENDATION BY OUR PART CALL 40 15 AUTOCENTRIC WITH THE, THE REQUEST THAT YOU CONTACT THAT PERSON AND ASK HIM IF HE'D BE, IF HE WOULD WANT TO PULL HIS RECOMMENDATION, IF THAT WAS GONNA CHANGE TO THAT.
IF HE SAID, NO, THAT IS WHAT I WANTED, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BACK AWAY AND SAY, NO PROBLEM IF IT CAN PASS COUNSEL.
I COULD ATTEMPT THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT ON HIM TO WHAT HE WOULD PREFER TO HIS BUSINESS.
MAKE IT EASIER FOR HIM TO DO BUSINESS IN DICKINSON.
AND MAKING, MAKING SURE HE UNDERSTANDS IT PROVIDES HIM MORE FLEXIBILITY.
SO WHAT HE INDICATED TO ME WHEN HE FIRST APPROACHED THE CITY IS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, A LIVE WORK UNIT.
UH, SO IT COMBINES DWELLING AND A INTEGRATED WORKSPACE.
SO THE AUTOCENTRIC DISTRICT DOES NOT PERMIT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD JUST CONFIRM THAT AND MM-HMM
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT HE IS GUNNING FOR, I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO IT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, GOING TO MY RECOMMENDATION IS 43 16 WEST 43 0 3 WEST, EVERYTHING FACING, UH, FRONTAGE ON FIVE 17 SHOULD BE AUTO CENTURY ON BOTH SIDES.
SO PRETTY MUCH FROM THIS BANK HERE MM-HMM
ON BOTH SIDES OF 40, UH, FIVE 17 TO HERE.
EVERYTHING THAT'S DOWNTOWN, THAT FRONT'S FIVE 17.
YOU WANT AUTOCENTRIC? YES, SIR.
NOW I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO SLIDE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
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THAT IS THE CHURCH.IS THAT ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST A LOT? IS THAT OWNED BY THE CHURCH ALSO? LEGIO? YES.
I WOULD LIKE THOSE TO BE INCLUDED IN AUTOCENTRIC.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M I I'M LOOKING AT EVERYBODY AT THE COUNCIL TO TELL ME IF I'M, I'M CRAZY HERE, BUT I, CONSIDERING HOW WE KIND OF ADDRESS THE CHURCH ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S A CHURCH AS LONG AS IT'S A CHURCH, BUT ONCE IT'S NOT A CHURCH, IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL.
WHICH, WHICH CHURCH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH 4,100? ISN'T THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? CATHOLIC CHURCH, YEAH.
TO ME, THAT'S PART OF DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, THAT THAT IS DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN IT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF IT IS.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT'S, YEAH.
SO, I MEAN, JUST DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS BEING DOWNTOWN AND THIS KNOT? WHAT'S WHAT, SAY IT AGAIN.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WHAT MAKES THIS A DOWNTOWN AREA BUT TWO PARCELS OF NOT A DOWNTOWN AREA.
IT'S THE INTER SECTION OF TWO THOROUGH WAYS.
DOWNTOWN HAS VERY LIMITED PARKING.
AND, AND WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESSES ALONG FIVE 17 EAST THAT, UH, WOULD NOT BE ALLOWABLE DOWNTOWN ALONG.
YOU GO BACK TO THE WALKABILITY.
I, I CAN SEE WALKING FROM THAT CHURCH OVER TO THE CITY HALL, YOU KNOW, UH, IN FACT THEY DO ALL THE TIME.
SO LEMME ASK YOU THIS, YOU GUYS, THIS QUESTION, THIS IS JUST A SCENARIO I'M ASKING IF YOU COULD PULL, PULL US SOUTH SO I CAN SEE FURTHER NORTH.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHURCH STREET IS AN AUTO ZONE.
THAT'S ABOUT AS AUTOCENTRIC AS YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET.
AND THEN EAST OF LEGIO STREET.
THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, THAT SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL TO BE HONEST.
BUT, UH, SO IT IS IN LINE WITH TRAVIS'S QUESTION.
WE JUST MADE THE BOLD STATEMENT TO CALL EVERYTHING AUTOCENTRIC EAST AND WEST ON FIVE 17.
AND I'M GONNA MAKE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION.
EVERYTHING NORTH OF CHURCH STREET, AT LEAST UP TO OAK PARK SHOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC ALSO.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY'S MIND IS AND I AGREE THAT CHURCH IS, HAS BEEN HERE FOREVER.
BUT IN THE NAME OF JUST ZONING MAY PERHAPS WE, WE COULD JUST, THAT WAY IT'S CLEAN.
IT WAS THE SAME PHILOSOPHY THAT YOU USE WHERE YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS OR HOMES ON AREAS THAT YOU'VE ZONED SOMETHING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME PHILOSOPHY THERE.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY ZONE IT FOR WHAT'S THERE, BUT WHAT MAKES SENSE.
IF ANYBODY EVER WANTED TO GET RID OF THE CHURCH ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UNDERNEATH IT.
IF ANYBODY EVER WANTED TO GET RID OF THIS CHURCH, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IT, IT'S A, IT'S A HEART THING.
CHURCHES GO OUT OF BUSINESS ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, LOOK AT FIRST BAPTIST OVER HERE.
'CAUSE WE ALSO DID THE SAME THING FOR THE, UH, TRAIN DEPOT.
SO LADIES, GENTLEMEN, I'M GONNA MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT DOES AGREE ALL GO AUTOCENTRIC.
NOW LET'S GO OVER, UH, GO OVER THAT AREA.
JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE AREA THAT WE'RE MAKING AUTOCENTRIC NOW.
EVERYTHING EAST OF HIGHWAY THREE, SOUTH OF PARK, NORTH OF CHURCH.
AND THEN, UH, ARE WE JUST TALKING THE PARCELS THAT FRONT HIGHWAY THREE? OR ARE WE GONNA GO THIS WHOLE BLOCK? I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, WELL, THAT BEING SAID, GO.
NEEDS TO BE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YEAH, THAT'S THE POLICE STATION.
I THINK THERE IS A BOAT REPAIR PLACE UP AT OAK PARK AND LEGIO FOR A WHILE THERE.
THEN LET'S DOING ONE AT A TIME SO WE DON'T GET CONFUSED.
THAT ONE BLOCK THERE WILL MAKE THAT ONE AUTOCENTRIC, UH, HIGHWAY THREE TO LEGIO OAK PARK.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, SIR? YEAH.
THAT, THAT THING THAT HE'S OUTLINING RIGHT NOW.
I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT ENTIRE BLOCK IS, UH, AUTOCENTRIC.
OKAY, SO WHAT IS 4 0 5? 4,005? 4,009.
WHAT? ALL RESIDENTIAL? IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, THOSE ARE VERY OLD HOMES.
THEY'RE VERY SMALL HOMES RE VERY PRONE TO FLOODING.
UH, BUT WHY WOULD WE CALL IT DOWNTOWN
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VERSUS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S STILL WITHIN WALKING OF, IF WE HAD THE, I'M DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, I'M TALKING RIGHT NOW MM-HMMIF WE EVER HAD THE, UH, THE, THE CRAWFISH FESTIVAL AGAIN, YOU COULD BE WALKING FROM THERE DOWN TO THE CRAWFISH FESTIVAL.
WELL, YOU CAN BE WALKING FROM THE CHURCH DOWN TO THE, YOU CAN BE WALKING FROM THE CHURCH DOWN THERE TOO.
THAT'S THE MIGHT GET THERE FASTER.
BUT NO, IN, IN LINE WITH WHAT DEBORAH'S SAYING, I BELIEVE IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT FROM 41 16 UP TO PARK STREET, YOU KNOW, IS THAT RESIDENTIAL OR DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER IT FOR SOMETHING THAT IT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE 28 TO FIVE IS THE SCHOOL BUS FARM.
SO BASICALLY YOU'VE WHERE, WHERE, WHERE AN ENTIRE SUBDIVISION BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE UPPER NORTHEAST CORNER 39 14 AND ALL THAT STUFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT'S ADMIN BUILDINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE SCHOOL.
I THINK THERE'S, THIS IS PROBABLY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HERE.
RESIDENTIAL THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT FITS THE DEFINITION, BUT IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT URBAN TRANSITION THINGS THAT WOULD CHANGE INTO A MORE URBAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE RIGHT THERE.
I WAS THINK THE SAME THING ABOUT URBAN TRANSITION FOR THAT.
HUH? LIKE THAT AREA SHOULD URBAN TRANSITION.
IT DOESN'T IT SEEM WELL FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, I MEAN, OR DUPLEXES, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DENSITY AND THAT SORT OF THING, THAT SEEMS MORE THE SPACE FOR IT THERE AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO PRESERVE THEIR USE BY, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THAT AREA.
WHAT THE REST DO YOU THINK? YEAH.
SEE WHERE IT SAYS 39 11 MM-HMM
THAT'S A, UH, A BOAT REPAIR SHOP RIGHT THERE IT IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT STILL IS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT PICTURE ON GOOGLE AND THERE'S A BOAT AND RIGHT THERE IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
SO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS.
THAT GUY HAD DONE NOTHING ON THAT THING IN 30 YEARS.
I DON'T THINK HE'S DONE ANYTHING WITH IT RIGHT NOW, BUT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER IS AN AUTOMOBILE RACE SHOP.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS THAT, BUT IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
ON THE NORTH END OF THIS, UH, LOT IS SOME NO GO LEFT.
LEFT THE OTHER LEFT THE OTHER WAY.
THAT'S YOUR MILITARY LEFT
NO, YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY.
THIS ONE, UH, RIGHT IN THAT AREA IS A, IS A AUTOMOBILE RACE SHOP, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
WHAT, UH, RACE? YEAH, THEY MAKE, THEY TUNE RACE CARS BACK.
OH, THAT GRAY BUILDING BACK IN THE BACK THERE.
SO ANYWAY, TO ME IT'S URBAN TRANSITION.
I CAN SEE URBAN, THAT BUILDING RIGHT THERE.
IT'S A WHITE, NO, IT'S ELEVATOR.
IT'S SO HARD TO FIND ALL THE WAY TO THE DEAD END OF THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S BEHIND THE, THE HARBOR HOUSE.
IT'S JUST BLOCK OFF OR SOMETHING.
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS THERE.
NO, NOBODY KNOWS THAT'S THERE.
SAY DO YOU RACE MUCH DEBRA? YES.
SO THIS BLOCK HERE, WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE.
WE WANNA BRING THAT INTO URBAN TRANSITION.
UM, DOES URBAN TRANSITION ALLOW ANY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
WHAT KIND OF IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WOULD YOU THINK? OH YEAH.
UM, WHAT STUFF LIKE IT HAS
WE HAVE RESTAURANT WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL.
UH, WE HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS, BED AND BREAKFAST GOLF COURSE.
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CAN WE CHANGE WHAT THESE ALLOW? I MEAN, TO ME, URBAN TRANSITION I WOULD SAY YES.THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING THIS IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMFORTABLE FOR US.
SO WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO TEXT AMENDMENTS AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO CHANGE PERMITTED USE.
BECAUSE I I THINK IN URBAN TRANSITION, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU.
HOW ABOUT THE GUYS? WHAT DO YOU THINK? I WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT STATEMENT.
THAT WOULD, UM, ALLOW FOR MANUFACTURING AND, AND SHOP USE.
YOU KNOW, WHICH MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL IN AN URBAN TRANSITION PLACE WHERE THERE'S MULTIFAMILY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO WALK THAT FAR.
I HAVE THE DEFINITION PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN OF WHAT, UH, OTHER USES BESIDES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WE HAVE THIS BUILDING DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTOR, MICRO MANUFACTURING AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE.
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THOSE AREAS WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, IT WOULD NEED TO BE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVED BY COUNSEL.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THE TOP END OF, UH, RIGHT BY OAK PARK STREET.
I, I WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVER TO BE USED.
BE COOL TO OPEN THAT UP, WOULDN'T IT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M INCLINED TO AGREE.
NEXT WOULD BE, HAVE WE GOT OURSELVES PAST THE RAILROAD TRACKS YET? NO.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY QUESTION IS, CHURCH TO BANK, HILL TO VIDEO.
THAT IS WHERE THE UH, FESTIVAL LIGHT STORES ARE STUFFED, I THINK, ISN'T IT? CORRECT.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S 41 29? I THINK THAT'S AN EMPTY LOT.
OH, IS THERE A HOUSE THERE? NO, THIS IS 180 AND 41 25.
THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL I BELIEVE THROUGH THERE.
WHAT KIND ISN'T THOUGH? LOOK, IT, IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.
IF I CAN MAKE A, A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE.
THIS, UH, FROM DOCK RAIL TO HILL AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANT TO TAKE THAT TO VIDEO, THE DOCK ROLL TO HILL CHURCH TO BANK THAT BLOCK.
IF WE CAN ADD, UH, THAT MODIFICATION TO URBAN TRANSITION THAT INCLUDES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND LADIES, GENTLEMEN, WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ON CONTINUING THAT BLOCK TO THE WEST AS URBAN TRANSITION? ALSO ALL THE WAY TO VIDEO.
VIDEO TO PARK TO CHURCH TO YOU.
YOU'RE WEARING THE WRONG SHIRT TONIGHT.
SO AS HIGHLIGHTED HERE TO URBAN TRANSITION.
YEAH, MY KID WENT, MY KID'S GONNA SCHOOL THERE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS SHIRT
SO PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP AND ADD SOME REALLY BIG BILLS.
IF WE CAN, I THINK, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'VE ALREADY COVERED IT, BUT SOUTH OF FIVE 17 ALL THE WAY TO THE BAYOU, WE'RE WE'RE DONE WITH ALL THAT, CORRECT? YES.
SO, UM, UH, WHAT'S PURPLE INDUSTRIAL? YEP.
THAT'S, UH, THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
LIGHT BROWN BOURBON TRANSITION.
YOU'RE NOT SHOWING HER SKILLS TONIGHT.
SO WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GOING TRAVIS? NEXT.
YOU ONLY WORK WITH SOFTWARE MAN.
UH, SO DO WE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT SOUTH OF 46TH STREET, EXCLUDING THE PURPLE RIGHT NOW? THAT'S ALL URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH URBAN TRANSITION DOES ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND NOW WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT HAS LIGHT, UH, COMMERCIAL INCLUDED IN THERE.
TELL ME WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SO 46TH STREET HERE? YEAH.
HIGHWAY THREE TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WHICH
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IS NICHOLS, THAT AREA THERE.EXCLUDING THE PURPLE 'CAUSE THAT'S INDUSTRIAL.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MESS WITH THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE LIGHT BLUE DOWNTOWN.
MY QUESTION TO ALL IS ALL THAT LIGHT BROWN IS URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH LIKE I SAID DOES INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT INCLUDES MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND IT INCLUDES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? I DON'T.
GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BAYOU.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT IT GOING DOWN TO THE BAYOU.
WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? YOU WANT TO QUESTION 48TH DOWN? MM-HMM
AS, UH, HOW DO Y'ALL LIKE MIXED USE? YOU HAD MIXED USE RIGHT ACROSS THE BAYOU HERE.
I'M INCLINED TO LIKE MIXED USE.
TYPICALLY 48TH DOWN TO THE BAYOU.
AND I THINK THE REST OF THAT URBAN TRANSITION AREA COULD POTENTIALLY STAY AS URBAN TRANSITION.
WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE UH, BELOW 48TH STREET, UH, IN THE URBAN TRANSITION AREA THAT YOU HAVE NOW, UH, TOWARD THE BAYOU? WHAT IS THAT? RIGHT THERE.
HERE? YOU KNOW WHAT EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS ARE THERE? HMM.
WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS HE? UH, IT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S ONE GUY THAT'S GOT A BUILDING THERE.
I'M NOT SEEING, OKAY, HOLD ON.
SOMEHOW WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS SIDE BY SIDE, RIGHT? MAN, THERE'S HIGHWAY THREE.
YOU BETTER, THERE'S THE, UH, OLD D'S HOUSE.
THIS IS, HE'S GONNA ZOOM IN ON IT.
OUR RIGHT HERE IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THERE'S ONE RESIDENCE THAT'S A LOW RANCH HOUSE.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER ON A GIANT LOCK USED TO BELONG TO THE, WAS IT THE DES DE DES FAMILY? YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CORNER? YEP.
WHERE THE SWIMMING POOL IS RIGHT THERE.
DRAG IT DOWN TO THE LOWER TO WEST PLEASE.
SO WHAT, THAT SWIMMING POOL, WHAT IS THAT RIGHT THERE? THAT'S A RESIDENCE RIGHT? HERE.
AND THEN LY ALL THE WAY UP TO NEBRASKA STREET, EAST OF NEBRASKA STREET IS ALL WATER DEPARTMENT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM NEBRASKA TO HIGHWAY THREE, SOUTH OF 48.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIALS.
THERE'S ALSO SOME HUGE LOTS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED.
UH, I DO, I I DO CONCUR ON POTENTIAL FOR MIXED USE THERE.
WHERE, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? SEE RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S, THIS IS WHERE THE A POLAR ELECTRIC, WE JUST TURNED THAT TO AUTOCENTRIC.
AND THEN CURRENTLY THIS IS ALL URBAN TRANSITION RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S THE AREA NORTH OF 48 THAT I WAS THINKING MIGHT BE BEST LEFT AS URBAN TRANSITION.
48TH TO NEBRASKA, DOWN TO THE BAYOU.
I RECOMMEND MIXED USE THOUGHTS.
THERE'S SOME MONSTER LOSS TO BE ABLE TO CONVERT.
AND THEN I WOULD ALSO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BASICALLY WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND SOUTH OF EVERYTHING, WE CHANGED OFF FIVE 17 STAYS IN FACT, URBAN TRANSITION.
SO, UM, MIXED USE TO THE BAYOU.
48TH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BAYOU.
WHAT'S DOWN THE BAYOU? WHAT? NO, I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE RIGHT FOR MIXED USE? WHAT CAN THEY DO BY WRIGHT? SO BY WRIGHT AND MIXED USE.
THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL START AT THE TOP.
LIVE WORKING UNITS, MULTIPLEX, TOWNHOUSES, APARTMENTS.
IT'S UPPER STORY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
UH, WHEN YOU GET INTO COMMERCIAL, THERE IS A GOOD MIX.
UH, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT RETAIL IS PERMITTED.
SO APARTMENTS ARE PERMITTED BY USE WITH APPROVAL.
SO APARTMENTS HAVE A LIMITED USE STANDARD.
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ON THE BAYOU.SO THIS IS A LIMITED USE STANDARD FOR THAT.
IT WANTS AN APARTMENT BUILDING WITH A NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
I'M TRYING TO STAY OPEN-MINDED ON IT, IS WHERE I OFTEN THINK ABOUT OVER THERE OFF OF OLENDER.
THOSE TOWN HOMES THEY BUILT THERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THAT, THAT'S NOT AN APARTMENT THAT'S CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, PATIO.
THEY'RE ATTACHED HOMES, CORRECT.
BUT, BUT APARTMENT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
AND SO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, CONSIDERATIONS FOR APARTMENTS VERSUS A TOWN HOME.
I'M JUST MORE PROTECTIVE OF THE BAYOU, I GUESS.
AND EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN UTILITIES IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY USUALLY SHARE UTILITIES.
SO WHAT CAN WE PUT THERE THAT'S SIMILAR TO THAT BUT DOES NOT ALLOW APARTMENTS? UH, IT'D HAVE TO BE A STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AUTOCENTRIC SMALL SCALE DOESN'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
THE WHAT? SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL DOESN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OR AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
IT IT HAS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
RIGHT? IT DOES NOT ONLY LIVE WORK UNIT.
UH, WE'RE BACK TO OLD URBAN TRANSITION.
URBAN TRANSITION ALLOW SLIDING IN MY HEAD.
URBAN TRANSITION DOES ALLOW FOR APARTMENTS.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW DOES IT ALLOW IT? IT DOES.
SEE AND SO LIKE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, WE CAN, UH, CERTAINLY, AND IT WAS MY INTENT TO DISCUSS USE REGULATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ONCE WE KIND OF GET THROUGH THE ZONING MAP.
UH, SO IF, IF Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE APARTMENTS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT.
IF IT WANTS TO GO TO COUNCIL, IT COULD GO TO COUNCIL FOR THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE CHANGE THAT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR MULTIPLEXES ALSO? WHAT, WHAT BRINGS IN MORE, UM, TAX BASE, UH, APARTMENTS OR TOWN HOMES? I'D SAY THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE, UM, YOU CAN'T HOMESTEAD THEM.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A TOWN HOME AND HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE, UH, WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, UH, WITH A BIG GRAND IDEA, UH, AND YOU TELL 'EM YOU GOTTA GO TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT APPLICATION TO COUNSEL UNTIL, UH, THEY ARE THE LEGAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES THAT DEVELOPER JUST MOVES ON.
I MEAN, I LIKE THAT FOR THE DEPARTMENT TEAM.
SO WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION UNDER MIXED USE TO CHANGE APARTMENT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING? I, YEAH.
WILL YOU AGREE WITH THAT? OKAY.
SO KIND JUST TO CONTINUE SCROLLING DOWN UNDER, UH, MIXED USE, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT ELSE IS AVAILABLE FOR IT.
UH, MUNICIPAL COMMUNITY, ALL OTHER COMMUNITY.
UH, ZONE ONLY THAT Y'ALL WANTED THAT COUNCIL APPROVAL, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
UH, AIR PARKS, OPEN AREA, UTILITIES.
YOU GOTTA HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL, RIGHT? AMPHITHEATER.
ALL OTHER OFFICE USES NOT LISTED.
SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS, ALL PARKING, STANDALONE.
I'M, I'M, I THINK WITH THAT LITTLE CAVEAT THERE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES POPPING UP, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR MIXED USE.
AND I THINK THAT ALSO DOES CARRY OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BAYOU WHERE WE DON'T WANT APARTMENT COMPLEXES THERE EITHER.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA SOUTH OF 48TH WEST OF NEBRASKA.
WEST OF NEBRASKA TO THE BAYOU.
WITH THAT CAVEAT WITH THAT, YEAH.
THEN, UH, MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REST OF THE URBAN TRANSITION THAT WE HAVEN'T MODIFIED YET.
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WELL WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE, UH, ON THE RIGHT BY 44TH, TEXAS AND 44TH.HAVING QUITE ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS NOW.
HOW FAR ARE WE GOING TONIGHT? UH, WELL, IF I SHOWED UP ON TIME, I COULD TELL YOU
UH, SO HOWEVER MUCH TIME WE CAN MAKE IT.
AND WE KEEP TELLING OURSELVES IT'S GONNA GET QUICKER AND THEN WE JUST KEEP UH, MORE RABBIT HOLES BOGGING DOWN.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT UNDERNEATH, UH, FIVE 17 DOWN TO THE BAYOU AND WE'LL KIND OF STAY ON THAT GOING ALL THE WAY AS FAR AS WE CAN EAST.
WAIT, WAIT, WHERE ARE YOU? THE PURPLE PEN.
SO WE ENDED RIGHT ABOUT HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP CONTINUING EAST THIS WAY.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SCROLL A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR, TO THE WEST.
SO WE'VE CHANGED ALL THE, THE BLUES UP HERE TO, UH, AUTOCENTRIC.
NOW MY QUESTION IS, ALL THIS STUFF HERE IS URBAN TRANSITION.
ALL THE BROWN AND I, LET'S TALK FROM CALIFORNIA WEST FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ON NICHOLS NORTH OF PEN RICO, WE'VE GOT, UH, FOUR OR FIVE LOTS RIGHT THERE THAT I THINK SHOULD BE ALSO LIGHT.
FIND NICHOLS, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO, WHAT'S THE FRICKING WORD? SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
YOU SEE WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT THERE.
SO HOW, THIS IS A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK.
WHICH, WHICH ONE OF THESE WOULD YOU LIKE TO IDENTIFY? THAT'S A RV PARK, MANUFACTURED HOME PARK.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I MISSED THAT.
OKAY, SO THE TWO LOTS NORTH OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
UM, I THINK THEY SHOULD ALSO BE CONVERTED TO AUTOCENTRIC MERGING INTO THE REST OF THAT.
'CAUSE THEY ARE USED TO BE A MOTORCYCLE SHOP.
AND THEN PHIL, YOU WANT THEM TO BE WHAT NOW? AUTOCENTRIC.
AUTOCENTRIC, MA'AM? WELL, THERE, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE OVER THERE, AUTOCENTRIC.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, 42ND AND FIVE 17 INTERSECTION.
IT'S ON A BIG LOT ISN'T IT? YEAH.
BASICALLY EVERYTHING EAST OF THERE GOING ALL THE WAY TO KANSAS AND, UH, 42 12 AND ALL OF THIS STUFF OTHER THAN THE RV PARK RIGHT THERE.
THEY'RE ALL RESIDENTIAL DOWN TO 43 0 1.
SO MY QUESTION, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DO WE WANT IT TO STAY URBAN TRANSITION AND THAT, UH, THOSE PLACES CAN HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR THEY CAN HAVE THEM BOTH? 42 19 BY THE WAY, IS THERE ANYTHING, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS MOBILE HOME PARKS ON IT? UH, YES.
THERE IS A ZONING DISTRICT THAT PERMITS MANUFACTURE HOME PARKS.
IT IS, IT'S LIKE ONE, YEAH, IT'S JUST ONE.
UH, SO THE RURAL AND ESTATE AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL.
SO, UM, OKAY, SO THERE IS A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK RIGHT THERE.
IF ANYBODY EVER DECIDES TO BUY IT THEN AND BUILD ANYTHING ELSE, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT, UH, MOBILE HOME GOOD.
UNLESS THEY KEPT IT AS THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
THEY COULDN'T CHANGE IT TO ANYTHING ELSE.
SO KIND OF, UH, THE MANUFACTURE HOME CHAPTER IS ONE THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED I WANT TO CHAT ABOUT ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THE ZONING MAP.
UH, SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH MANUFACTURE HOME PARKS IN THE CITY OF DICKINSON IS REGISTERING THEM AS NON-CONFORMING.
UH, SO WHAT THAT ENTAILS IS WE VERIFY THE NUMBER OF SPOTS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, AND THEY GET THAT REGISTRATION.
AND IT IS GOOD, UH, FOR AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS UTILIZED AT A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, UH, FOR IT TO LOSE ITS USE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCONTINUED AS A PARK FOR A PERIOD OF 12 MONTHS.
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OKAY.ARE THEY ALLOWED TO REPLACE UNITS? THEY'RE ALLOWED TO REPLACE UNITS WITHIN THE PARK? WITHIN THE PARK? YES MA'AM.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT THEY CAN REPLACE EXISTING ONES.
ARE, ARE STANDALONE MOBILE HOMES OUTSIDE OF PARKS, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO REPLACE UNITS? UH, YES.
IF THERE'S AN EXISTING MANUFACTURED HOME ON A LOT, IT IS ABLE TO BE REPLACED WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE USE CC.
WAS THAT A ONE TIME, ONE TIME REPLACEMENT? UH, IT DOESN'T LIMIT IT TO ONE TIME.
IT JUST LIMITS IT TO THE, UH, THE ABANDONMENT TIMELINE.
PREVIOUSLY IT DID LIMIT ONE TIME REPLACEMENT.
PREVIOUSLY IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY STRICT.
IT ACTUALLY HAD A EITHER SIX MONTH OR 90 DAY REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT.
UH, IT, IT WAS MUCH MORE STRICT BEFORE AND WE CAN'T HAVE A STRICT NOW.
UH, THAT IS WHY I HAVE IT EARMARKED, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULATIONS FOR THE MANUFACTURE HOME.
UH, KIND OF WHAT I INHERITED WITH THE UDC IS THAT IT UH, KIND OF SLIM DOWN THE MANUFACTURE, HOME PARK REGULATIONS AND THEN REFERRED BACK TO CHAPTER NINE IN MUNI CODE.
UH, AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS CHAPTER NINE IN MUNI CODE IS REPEALED BY THE UDC MM-HMM
UH, SO IT IS DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE REGULATIONS FROM A CHAPTER THAT IS REPEALED.
LET'S GET, UM, SOUTH OF 42ND WEST OF GALVESTON.
CURRENTLY THIS IS ALL URBAN TRANSITION.
DO WE WANT IT TO GO CONTINUE BEING URBAN TRANSITION OR DO WE WANT TO TO BECOME UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
EVERY ONE OF 'EM, EXCEPT FOR THE RV PARK CAN.
UM, AND THE TWO THAT WE'VE SAID ARE GONNA GO AUTO CENTER, I THINK YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF I'M THINKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, I'M THINKING ABOUT LOTS THAT ARE PRETTY UNIFORMLY SIZED.
AND SO I THINK WE HAD A CONVERSATION LAST TIME THAT THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL GAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
ACTUALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND I THINK, ISN'T IT? THE CONSERVATION WAS A BAD CHOICE.
NO, I THINK IT'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IS A BIT MORE FLEXIBLE AND THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS THE ONE THAT IS, IS SET FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT SOUNDS WEIRD, BUT IT THAT'S THE TRUTH I THOUGHT.
GENERAL, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, SO YOU HAVE AN ITEM COMING UP TO YOU ON THE 17TH THAT HIS NEWLY PLATTED AREA IS GONNA BE LESS THAN THE LOT AVERAGE FRONT WITH SIZE AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HAVING TO APPROVE IT.
AND THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, THE SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE IN THAT ASPECT OF IT.
DON'T THEY? YEAH, BUT THEY, THEY TAKE AN AVERAGE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? YEAH.
MAYBE FLEXIBLE IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT CONSERVATION TAKE AN AVERAGE.
ON THE GENERAL THEY HAVE A MINIMUM AND IT CAN BE ANYTHING ABOVE THAT.
AND SO I GUESS WHAT THE INTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS, IS TO KEEP UH, THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF WE ZONE THIS AS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REPL THESE LOTS INTO, I CAN SHOW YOU MM-HMM
THAT MAKES SENSE TO BE ABLE TO REPL.
'CAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE HUGE.
UH, THEY COULD REPL 'EM INTO LOTS THAT ARE 40 FOOT WIDE OR EVEN 25 WIDE.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS THE DISCUSSION OF AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IS DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BY ALLOWING MUCH SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT IS THERE? UH, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ALL GONNA HAPPEN AT ONE TIME.
YOU KNOW, A GUY BUYS IT, SPLITS IT INTO A THREE AND PUTS THREE PATIO HOMES ON IT NEXT TO A HALF ACRE OR ACRE LOT, YOU KNOW, BUT IN THOSE AREAS THEY'RE SO, UH, WONKY.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, HERE'S ONE IN SMALL AND HERE'S ONE BIG GENERAL RESIDENTIAL SEEMS MORE APPLICABLE.
THE LIFE SIZES ARE ALREADY NOT UNIFORM.
WONKY IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD WORD.
SO IN THE NAME OF LIKE URBAN TRANSITION, LOOKING AT SAY LOT 44, 14 AT THE LOT, YOU COULD PUT A MULTIFAMILY HOME THERE.
IT WOULD FIT MM-HMM
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REFLECTS MORE OF THAT BASED ON, I'M NOT GONNA USE THE WORD WONKY AGAIN, BUT BASED ON THESO SCROLLING UP TO UM, FIVE 17.
UM, MY QUESTION IS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, 4,500 IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
DO WE WANT TO, UH, IDENTIFY ALL THE, THE PROPERTIES? NO.
GO BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION PLEASE.
UM, 41 0 5, ALL THE WAY TO GALVESTON AVENUE.
DO WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THOSE AS UM, UM, AUTOCENTRIC ALSO? THERE ARE, THERE ARE RESIDENCES ON THAT RIGHT NOW AND IT FACES FIVE 17.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME ALONG AND BUY 'EM ALL AND TURN IT INTO A, A LOT, WOULD ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT FACING FIVE 17? NO, I WOULDN'T.
YOU WANNA MAKE AN AUTOCENTRIC? YES SIR.
ALL OF 'EM FACING FIVE 17, EVERYTHING SOUTH OF IT.
UH, I WOULD ENTERTAIN WHETHER WE WANTED TO KEEP IT URBAN TRANSITION OR SOME FORM OF RESIDENTIAL YOU GUYS CALL.
DEBORAH, YOU GOOD WITH THAT? I'M GOOD WITH THAT, YEAH.
SO SLIDING NOW, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE TURN THAT INTO OUR, UM, AUTOCENTRIC ALSO.
AND DOWN HERE I AM NOT FOR GO DOWN TO 46 0 5 AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THEY NEED TO BE BACK TO YELLOW.
CONSERVATION, EVERYTHING IN WEST OF 10, UH, WEST OF TEXAS.
I THINK, UH, I'M KIND OF INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT SHOULD STILL BE YELLOW IS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
BUT THE LIGHT YELLOW IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? YEAH.
'CAUSE I MEAN THAT THEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE UNIFORM.
WOULD YOU GUYS AGREE THAT WEST OF TEXAS AT 45, 10 43, 0 4, 0 8, UM, UH, THAT'S RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE, UH, URBAN TRANSITION THROUGH THERE, RIGHT? I DON'T EITHER.
DO WE WANT, UH, CONSERVATION OR GENERAL AND EVERYTHING NORTH AND SOUTH OF 44TH SHOULD BE CONSERVATION.
SO DO WE WANT THE WEST OF TEXAS TO BE CONSERVATION ALSO? 'CAUSE THOSE ARE NOT TOTALLY, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT ARE OUT OF THEIR NORM.
45, 10 AND WHATEVER'S TO THE LEFT OF 43 0 4.
THE REST OF 'EM ARE ALL PRETTY CONSISTENT IN SIZE.
DO YOU AGREE? UM, PULL UP, PULL UP.
UH, SOME OF THESE GO GO BELOW 43 0 8, WHATEVER THAT IS, RIGHT BELOW THE CONSIDERATION IS FROM CORNER TO CORNER.
SO THE, THE BIG GIANT LOT WILL DEFINITELY CHANGE THE AVERAGES.
GENERAL, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS MORE FLEXIBLE.
IS IT NOW? APPARENTLY INSTEAD OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
SO ON THE LEFT, ON THE, UH, ON THE LEFT.
THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, I, I AGREE, PHIL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVERYTHING NORTH AND SOUTH OF 44TH, THOSE ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT SIZED LOTS, FEW OUTLIERS.
EVERYTHING WEST OF TEXAS, THOSE ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT LOTS.
ALSO WITH A FEW OUTLIERS ALSO.
AND SO KIND OF KEEPING THE, THE FLAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF CONSERVATION.
I, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST BECAUSE, AND WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING SOUTH OF ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT'S ALL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION TOO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HELL YOU'RE GONNA FIGURE THAT OUT NOW.
47 16 IS MASSIVE
SO IT COULD BE A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF TURNING THOSE, UH, THAT INTERSECTION AND UP AND DOWN TO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? YEAH.
NOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, IF YOU WOULD PULL IT DOWN PLEASE.
THIS GINORMOUS LOT RIGHT HERE.
WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THE GIANT FIELD.
YEAH, THAT'S THE PARCEL THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
HE GOT KILLED ON FIVE 17 JUST, UH, NORTH OF THERE.
SO THIS, I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND YOU CAN'T MAKE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT UNTIL SOMEBODY COMES TO YOU WITH A PLAN, RIGHT? OR CAN YOU DESIGNATE IT AS SOMEBODY NEEDS TO COME WITH A PLAN?
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UH, NO, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.CAN YOU, UM, HOW DO WE DESIGNATE THIS AS YEAH, WE'RE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO PLAN IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, THIS IS A, ONE OF THE BEST CHUNKS OF PROPERTY IN OUR CITY THAT I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEBODY TO COME INTO IT INTELLIGENTLY INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY DROPPING A HOUSE IN ONE CORNER AND CALLING THE WHOLE THING DONE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT CANNOT, I MEAN, MAYBE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
YOU WANT IT TO BE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? WELL, EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST A HUNDRED FEET THAT FACE.
FIVE 17, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS THINKING ABOUT.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL OWNED BY, WHO IS IT OWNED BY? SOMEBODY EQUAL TO 42ND STREET, ANYTHING ABOVE 42ND STREET LOAN.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MULTI-ZONE A SINGLE LOT CURRENTLY? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO THEN I WOULD SAY I'M GONNA MAKE A STATEMENT AND THEN YOU FIGURE OUT HOW IT WORKS.
I WOULDN'T WANT 90% OF THIS TO BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND 10% FACING FIVE 17 TO BE, UH, DO WE CALL IT AUTOCENTRIC? AUTOCENTRIC? YEAH.
FROM AN EVEN PLANE OF 42ND STREET TO FIVE 17.
AND THEN SOUTH, UH, MAKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT COULD ALLOW FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BELOW.
YOU THINK THAT'S PRETTY BIG? I MEAN, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET ONE STREET THROUGH THERE AND YEAH, YOU ARE GONNA TAKE THE STREET.
SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME SPACE OUT.
AND THEN YOU GOTTA HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
DO WE HAVE TO DEFINE IT OR CAN YOU PUT A PERSPECTIVE? LEMME SHOW YOU THIS EXAMPLE.
CAN YOU SAY 250 FEET? SO CHECK OUT THIS IS, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? BAYOU LAKES? YEP.
SO THEY ORIGINALLY HAD SPLIT THIS WITH THE COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE.
ON THE BACK COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE.
HOW ABOUT SPLITTIN IT 200 FEET? LET'S KEEP IN MIND, AND WHEN I SAY THAT, LOOKING AT THE FRONTAGE AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE FACING FIVE 17, HERE'S A CLASS EXAMPLE.
HOW DEEP IS THAT RIGHT THERE? THE RED? UH, THIS ONE? YES SIR.
I THINK TWO 50 IS A GOOD NUMBER.
'CAUSE SO YOU KNOW, YOU GONNA HAVE YOUR FRONT SET BACK, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME REAR BUFFER, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
SO 300 FEET'S, NOT IMPROBABLE.
I WOULD SAY PUT IT DOWN AS 300 FEET.
KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH AN INTELLIGENT IDEA, LOOK AT THAT ARE WILLING TO FLEX.
JUST ABOUT ON THE MONEY TO THE CENTER OF THAT ROADWAY IS 300 FOOT.
SO 40, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID? 42ND STREET? YEAH.
AND IF ANYBODY EVER CAME TO DEVELOP IT, TELL 'EM FRICKING COUNSEL AND COMMISSIONER IN LOCKSTEP AMENABLE TO ADJUSTMENTS.
IT CRASHED IN, UH, SO FORGIVE ME.
WERE Y'ALL KEEPING HIS URBAN TRANSITION? NO.
WELL IF IT'D BE, UM, NEWLY PLATTED, YOU COULD, YOU WOULD EXPECT MAYBE A MORE UNIFORM LOTS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU COULD DO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, YOU COULD, YEAH.
UH, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT, I, I THINK MAYBE CHALLENGING.
I I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AT THAT POINT.
PLUS I'M GONNA SAY IT, IT GIVES 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SMALLER HOUSES IN THERE TOO.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE, YEAH, 47 17.
IT'S NARROW, BUT IT'S PRETTY DEEP I THINK.
UH, EVERYTHING FROM MISSOURI TO CALIFORNIA SOUTH OF FIVE 17.
UH, I'M, I'M OF A MINE TO CALL THAT ALL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
THOSE ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL HOMES YOU SAID BETWEEN MISSOURI AND CALIFORNIA? YES, SIR.
THOUGHTS? YOU WANNA MAKE 'EM WHAT? GENERAL NNC KEEPING UH,
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MAKING THEM RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION.I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE MAKE THAT, UH, AUTOCENTRIC.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT 50 30 IS.
I FEEL LIKE THAT ONE'S FALLING IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS THAT GIANT LOT RIGHT THERE WHERE WE DO ANOTHER 300 FEET OF A COMMERCIAL.
OOH, I THINK I KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS.
UH, IT'S NOT WHAT'S 50? WHAT'S 50, 30? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW TO SEE IF, UH, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE LOT.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? COUNTRY GIRL TRAILER PARK.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT IS IT? WHAT DID YOU SAY? I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE BACK.
THERE'S AN RV PARK BACK THERE.
AND THEN IS THE ACCESS TO IT COMES THROUGH 50 30? NO, THE ACCESS TO THIS COMES ACTUALLY RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN OR NO THROUGH 50 22, HUH? CORRECT.
THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY UP THERE.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD IN MY LIFE ACTUALLY.
UM, AGAIN, I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION ON 50 30 THAT IT'S, UH, ANOTHER ONE OF THE 50 FIFTIES, KINDA LIKE THAT OTHER ONE.
AND THEN, UM, 5,002 WE SAID AUTOCENTRIC.
AND THEN BASICALLY EVERYTHING ELSE I WOULD RECOMMEND WE, WE TAKE THAT BACK TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION THOUGHTS.
I DON'T SEE URBAN TRANSITION BEING ANYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE REAR OF 50 30 TO NEIGHBOR CONSERVATION AND THESE LOTS AS WELL TO ALABAMA? YES SIR.
WELL, UH, WHAT, AND WE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT SAME LOT.
UH, IS THAT THE ONE YOU WERE POINTING AT NEXT TO GEORGIA AVENUE? YEAH.
WHAT IS THAT RIGHT THERE? I THINK THAT'S MACKEY'S HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IS IT? IS THAT THE MACKEY'S? WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S MACKEY'S HOUSE.
SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT ADDRESS? UH, SO YOU HAVE A MECHANIC SHOP IN THERE? HOLD ON.
YEAH, THAT'S MAGGIE'S HOUSE, RIGHT? RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET? MM-HMM
ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S A BOAT REPAIR FIBERGLASS RIGHT THERE.
WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S WHERE THE OLD MAN'S GOT THE STORAGE FOR ALL THE BOATS AND EVERYTHING.
RIGHT NEXT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
IT'S AN AUTO MECHANIC SHOP ACROSS THE STREET NOW.
YEAH, I THINK THEY, THEY MAY EVEN DO SOME FIBERGLASS WORK THERE.
REMEMBER RECENT NEW OWNERS, FYI CAN'T WORSE.
HE USED TO BE, UH, ARTHUR DE ANTONIA'S PROPERTY.
SO GOING BACK TO THE MAP AND WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT ZONED AT RIGHT THERE? THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FIVE 17.
UM, AGAIN, THIS LOT THAT YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT THERE.
DO WE STILL WANT TO POTENTIALLY ZONE THIS ONE IN HALF ALSO? IT'S A HUGE LOT.
IF A GUY KEEPS HIS HOUSE THERE FOREVER, HE'S INCLINED TO KEEP IT THERE FOREVER.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S MACKEY'S HOME, YOU THINK? LET'S SEE WHO OWNS IT.
CORRECT? I THINK HE PASSED, UH, MAYBE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, MACKEY MECHANICAL.
THEN I, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SPLIT THAT ONE ANOTHER 300 FEET AND THEN, UH, ALL OF THAT STUFF I FEEL LIKE SHOULD STILL BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
THEN WE HAVE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
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42, 16, EVERYTHING.UH, SO WHY, WHY? I GUESS I'M OVER AT MEADOW GLEN.
WHY IS THAT ALL, UH, LIGHT INSTEAD OF THAT WOULD BE A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, MA'AM.
YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL THAT FACING, UH, PLANTATION BEEN SHOULD ALL BE CONSERVATION NC.
BUT THEN I WOULD AGREE THAT, UH, THOSE LOTS, LET ME, LEMME MAKE A COMMAND, UH, STATEMENT AND SEE IF EVERYBODY AGREES.
SEE WHERE IT SAYS ALABAMA RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT LOT LINE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THERE.
THOSE ARE GENERAL, SHOULD ALL BE CONSERVA NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE GINORMOUS ONES THAT ARE BUTTONED UP TO THE BAYOU.
BUT UH, SOMEHOW I, I THINK MORE OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OF UM, LIKE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE MORE UNIFORM.
AND THAT'S NOT, THAT ISN'T RIGHT THERE.
WHAT HE HAS HIGHLIGHTED IS NOT WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.
WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SORRY.
UH, WHAT I'M REFERRING TO MA'AM IS FROM HERE UP AND THEN FROM THIS RIGHT HERE.
ALL THOSE THAT ARE CONSISTENT.
WELL, THAT THOSE AREN'T NOT A, NOT A LONG PLANTATION.
WHERE DID HE GO? I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT.
STOP ABOVE HERE AND ABOVE HERE.
THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THIS HERE.
THAT SEEMS KIND OF UNIQUE, BUT THESE ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH UNIFORM SIZE.
DO YOU AGREE MAN? SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE UP? YEP.
AND ALL THESE AND DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN.
YOU PUT THAT LAST, THAT ONE ACTUALLY YOU CAN GO UP FROM THERE.
GO UP TO WHERE THE CUL-DE-SAC IS.
MAKE THOSE ALL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
BIG LOTS THAT ARE BUTTING UP TO THE, UH, BAYOU.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE WOULD FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF MIXED USE THOUGHTS AGAIN, NOBODY COULD PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE WITHOUT APPROVAL, BUT THEY CAN PUT HOMES.
AND THE PARKING THAT'S SHA SHADED THERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT SHOULD ALL BE NEIGHBORHOOD CON CONSERVATION.
DARK YELLOW IS EVERYTHING ELSE IS OKAY.
CURRENTLY EVERYTHING IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND THESE ARE SOME GINORMOUS LOTS THAT ARE PROBABLY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ISSUES WITH FLOODING, DRAINAGE, ALL THAT STUFF.
SO RE THAT'S BIGGER LOTS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OH YEAH, THAT'S WHY WOULD THOSE NOT BE THAT? I MEAN I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN ANY OF THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S YEAH, WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT DOWN IN THE LOWER SOUTHEAST CORNER OF DICKINSON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BAYOU.
WELL, I MEAN, UH, WHAT CONSTITUTES THAT? UH, TRAVIS? IT'S LIKE GIANT LOTS TOO.
WHAT? SO THE RULE IN ESTATE, WE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
SO IT CALLS FOR A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE.
ARE THOSE ONE ACRE LOTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BY PLANTATION? GOOD QUESTION.
I BELIEVE THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY IN OUR CITY, DON'T YOU? I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF PROPERTY.
THAT, THAT'S USUALLY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOTS WHERE THEY HAVE A FEW CATTLE AND A FEW CHICKENS AND COUPLE OF HOGS AND EVERYTHING.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, I THINK IT, IT, YOU KNOW, AVAILABILITY OF HAVING, HAVING THAT IN OUR CITY, I MEAN, THAT'S IT.
YOU KNOW, SOME LIKE THIS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
RIGHT? YOU GOT, SO WHAT, WHAT SIZE, JUST PICK ONE OF THESE BIGGER LOTS AND JUST LOOK AT IT.
WHAT'S UP? UH, SO THIS ONE IS SIX ACRES.
SO THIS ONE'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES.
THAT'S, THAT'S RE THOSE ARE RE
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YEAH.AND THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL OVER AN ACRE SO THEY CAN WE SEE WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ON RURAL IS.
SO LIKE I SAID, CALLS FOR A MINIMUM ONE ACRE.
NO, I MEANT MORE ON THE, UH, THE LIST OF WHAT YOU CAN OH, THE USES.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING FIRST IT COLUMN RIGHT HERE, CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME ONLY AND A MANUFACTURE HOME SUBDIVISION.
I MEAN, THOSE LOTS CAN BE DIVIDED IN TWO AND STILL MEET TO ONE ACRE REQUIREMENT.
THEY CAN BE DIVIDED IN SIX INTO, YEAH.
SO PARKS AIRPORT, AN AIRPORT ON THERE.
ALL YOU NEED BED AND BREAKFAST.
SO NO COMMERCIAL STUFF, UH, GOING IN RURAL ESTATE.
SO I SUGGEST WE CHANGE THAT TO RE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THAT.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I AGREE.
WELL, MY ONLY QUESTION ON THAT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, HERE'S MY QUESTION.
THIS IS A BETTER, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RE AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S, THAT'S A BETTER QUESTION.
AND I, I, I THINK THAT BACK TO THE POINT OF IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUY IT AND SUBDIVIDE IT, THEY COULD NOT DO IT AS RE OTHER THAN PUTTING IT ON ONE ACRE LOTS, THEY WOULD COME BACK HERE TO DO A REPL AND PROBABLY REZONE.
THEY, THEY'D HAVE TO, BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO DO A REZONE IS MY POINT.
I MEAN, WE, WE'VE GOT, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, WELL WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RE AGAIN DOWN HERE.
ALL THIS AREA HERE IS ALL RE YEAH, THAT'S COOL.
BUT I, THAT'S RE TOO, HAVING AN RE ON THE, ON THE BAYOU IS I THINK VERY ATTRACTIVE.
SO I, I'D SUGGEST KEEPING CHANGING THAT TO RE THERE'S SIX LOTS INVOLVED RIGHT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE ACREAGE ON THE ONE YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW? 6.33.
I, THAT'S MY RECOMME RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN HOW MUCH DO THEY HAVE TO LOSE TO GET FRICKING ACCESS AND RIGHT OF WAY TO EVERYBODY'S HOMES? SO YOU LOSE A WHOLE ACRE THERE.
SOME OF IT COULD BE WETLAND SIOUX.
WELL, THEY HAVEN'T LOST ANYTHING.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S THIS RIGHT HERE ON THE, UH, OTHER SIDE OF PLANTATION THAT HAS A BIG, LONG, SKINNY LOTS? THESE YEAH.
SAME THING THEN WITH SOME WATER.
SO THEY UP AGAINST THE, I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF IT, BUT I'M JUST, AND STATE OF TEXAS ARE RURAL.
I'M USED TO THAT BEING BASICALLY THE OUTSIDE OF, ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY.
AND AGAIN, WHERE PEOPLE ARE DOING MORE.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT FIELDS, I KEEP SOME COWS ON IT, I KEEP SOME, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A BARN, MOWING GRASS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, AND WHEN I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE HOUSES, I'M THINKING SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO DRIVE A BIG TRUCK WITH TRAILERS.
JUST, IT DOESN'T, RURAL DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT IN MY EYES IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THAT SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE.
WELL TO ME IT'S, IT'S, UH, AN ESTATE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY MM-HMM
BUT I MEAN SOME, SOME ESTATE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUY IT AND WELL THEY WOULD DEVELOP IT, THEY WOULD COME TO, UH, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO KEEP COMING FROM REZONING IN THAT, IN THAT CASE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TONS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A FEW.
MY SUGGESTION IS, IS TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME ESTATES IN IN OUR CITY THAT'S, WE WE'RE BEAUTIFUL.
I'D LIKE TO KEEP SOME OF THE BEAUTY, WELL, I, I CAN'T DISAGREE, BUT I'M ALSO GOING, WE ARE A, A LANDLOCK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY BIGGER AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE, UH, WHAT WE DO HAVE.
AND I WANT TO KEEP, I LIVE ON THE BAYOU.
I THINK GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS THE CORRECT ZONING FOR THAT SPACE.
I'M INCLINED TO, TO AGREE WITH THAT IN THE REGARD OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT.
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DON'T ME WRONG, I'D LOVE TO HAVE SIX ACRES TOO.AT SOME POINT, THE VALUE AND THE COST OF IT IS, IS GONNA BE POTENTIALLY COST PROHIBITIVE.
AND THEN THEY, THEY SELL, THAT'S THEIR DECISION THEN.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT RESIDENCES THAT ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL AND THEY WILL STAY RESIDENTIAL AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WANT TO THESE LOTS ARE NOT GONNA CHANGE ONE IOTA UNTIL THE PEOPLE ARE READY TO SELL IT.
AND MY TAKE IS THE ODDS OF THEM FINDING SOMEBODY, UH, SEVEN PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY A SIX ACRE LOT THAT'S LANDLOCKED IN THE MIDST OF SUBDIVISIONS ALL THE WAY AROUND THEM.
I THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE IT HARDER FOR THEM TO SELL THESE PROPERTIES WHEN THEY DO WANT TO WITHOUT FIND, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WANNA BUY SIX ACRES AT 150, $200,000 AN ACRE.
WELL HOW ABOUT IT'S A $1.2 MILLION LOT.
I GUESS I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, UM, AMBIANCE OF THINKING, OH, COME TO DICKINSON.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WAYS FOR E EVERY DIFFERENT KINDS OF FAMILIES TO COME.
YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN OWN AN ESTATE, YOU CAN DO THAT.
I JUST, I JUST THINK LIKE THAT.
SO ALL WE WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST, I'LL TELL YOU THE FIRST TIME I TOOK MY WIFE DOWN TO BAYOU, SHE WAS CONVINCED WE WERE IN A DIFFERENT CITY.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY DICKINSON HAD THAT MUCH BEAUTY ALONG DICKINSON BAYOU.
WELL, WE CAN ALL POP IT UP IF YOU WANT, BUT AS FAR AS IN THE FUTURE, I SEE THIS AS A $1.2 MILLION LOT THAT SOMEBODY IS GONNA EVENTUALLY WANNA SELL.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD A 1.2 MAY NOT.
THEN IF THEY'RE, THEY CAN COME.
I'M CALLING THEM PLANTATIONS RATHER THAN A STATE SINCE IT'S ON PLANTATION, BEN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I, I JUST POLITICALLY CORRECT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GONNA STAY BEAUTIFUL LOTS FOR ANOTHER 50 YEARS UNTIL THEY GET SOLD AND WHOEVER BUYS 'EM VERY LIKELY WILL WANT TO CONVERT THESE INTO, ESPECIALLY THE PARTS THAT ARE A THOUSAND FEET OFF OF THE BAYOU, THAT'S SUBDIVISION.
THEY'LL HAVE TO BUY MORE THAN ONE OF THEM.
THOSE THINGS ARE SO ODDLY SHAPED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO WORK THEM, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH MORE THAN ONE OF THOSE LOTS.
BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY IDEAS.
WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE JUST DRAW A LINE 300 FEET FROM THE BAYOU AND MAKE, LEAVE THAT THE STATES AND MAKE EVERYTHING ABOVE IT.
GENERAL RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST, UH, YOU GOTTA HAVE AN ACRE, HAVE TO HAVE AN WELL 300 FEET.
UH, AND THEN IF YOU GET THAT, IF YOU DIVIDE IT LIKE THAT, THEN AGAIN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS PROBLEMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU KIND OF HAVE TO KEEP IT EITHER.
WELL, THAT'S, EITHER, EITHER OR.
THAT'S, THAT'LL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SELL IT TO SELL IT.
BUT AS FAR AS ZONING, YOU CAN, I DON'T SEE WHY YOU COULDN'T ZONE IT THAT WAY.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL FOR THE FUTURE.
WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE, WHAT CAN THIS PROPERTY BE NOT WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW? AGAIN, I'M LOOKING TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, UP AND DOWN HELL, I'M EVEN LOOKING ACROSS THE BAYOU FROM IT.
SUBDIVISION SUBDIVISION, SUBDIVISION, SUBDIVISION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IF SOMEBODY DID WANT TO PUT HALF ACRE LOTS, THAT WOULD BE THEIR PREROGATIVE.
HALF ACRE, LOT'S A PRETTY NICE SIZE, BUT IT WOULDN'T QUALIFY AS RURAL.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AT THAT POINT.
WELL, IF YOU DRAW NINE, 300 FEET BACK FROM THE BAYOU, YOU'LL HAVE MORE THAN ONE ACRE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE LOTS.
BUT WHICH, AND THEY WILL, THEY WILL QUALIFY FOR, UH, FOR UH, ESTATE.
AND THEN WHAT DO WE KEEP CALLING STATE BY THE WAY? RURAL AND ESTATE.
WHICH HAS TO BE A ONE ACRE MINIMUM.
IF SOMEBODY WANT TO DO THAT ANYWAY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE A, GET A PLAT APPROVAL AND MM-HMM
THEY STILL HAVE TO DO THAT LITTLE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO REZONE IT.
PLATTING PREZONED PROPERTY IS A LOT EASIER TO DO OKAY.
THAN TRYING TO GET PROPERTY AND REZONE IT.
THAT IT'S ALREADY, AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN'T GET IT RE PLATTED UNTIL YOU GET IT REZONED FAIR.
YOU GOTTA GET IT REZONED FIRST.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
ARE YOU GONNA SPEND THE MONEY, ARE YOU GONNA BUY A $1.2 MILLION LOT THAT YOU PLAN ON PUTTING 12 HOMES ON IN HOPES, IN HOPES THAT WE ARE ALL NOT CRAZY THAT DAY? COULD YOU DO BED AND BREAKFAST IN RURAL ESTATE? I BELIEVE SO.
I THINK THOSE PROPERTIES ARE MARKETING BEEN USED AND I'M JUST SAYING THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BIG ENOUGH AND, UH, THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOME BUSINESS ACTIVITY FOR BED AND BREAKFAST ACTIVITIES, IT IS THAT, THAT'S PRACTICAL USE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
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BED AND BREAKFAST.HOW MANY HOUSES DO YOU WANNA PUT ON IT? WELL, THAT'S UP TO THEIR LAND PLAN.
I DON'T LOOK AT A BED AND BREAKFAST IS ALL NECESSARILY HAVING TO BE IN, IN ONE SINGLE HOUSE.
I THINK HAS, I THINK THE, I THINK IT'S CONVENTIONALLY THAT WAY, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU HAD LITTLE COTTAGES YEAH.
THAT LITTLE BEDROOM BREAKFAST THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE BY WATER STREET, ONE ROOM.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY WONDER STUDIOS.
OKAY, THEN FORGIVE ME, I THINK I HAVE DRUG US ALL DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE KILLING TIME HERE.
IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO THE MAP, I THINK THE PROPERTY ON THE, ON THE BAYOU IS TOO VALUABLE FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST.
I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S A VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, SO WHERE YOU GOT THE CURSOR, YOU GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
AND THEN WHAT YOU GOT HIGHLIGHTED IS SEVEN.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THOSE SEVEN LOTS RIGHT THERE.
I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
DEBORAH PREFERS, UH, R AND E AND I AM WIDE OPEN.
JUST LET'S MAKE A QUICK VOTE ON IT AND GO EITHER DIRECTION.
I NOT A HILL TO DIE ON EITHER, MA'AM.
YEAH, NO, I'M FINE EITHER WAY.
BUT, UH, WILL, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? VERSATILITY? JUST FOR THE FACT OF UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO REPLANT IT, IT'S THE, THE LENGTH OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO GET, GET TO DO IT.
I'M THINKING, UH, WHAT IS THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL OR AR ANY GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
AND I'M, UH, I'M FOR UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
MS. DEBORAH, YOU'RE STILL WITH REI LIKE RE.
I'D STILL LIKE TO DRAW A 300 FOOT LINE
DO A PIN AT YOU SIR, ALONG TO BAYOU 300 FOOT LINE, MAKE THAT RE ALONG THE BAYOU AND EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT.
WELL, AND AND THEY STAY, STAY LIKE THEY ARE, LIKE YOU SAY FOREVER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS.
BUT THEN YOU GOTTA HAVE RIGHTS OF WAYS AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL CREATES A LOT OF HAZARDS.
THAT'S NOT A, NOT A BIG ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS THE WILL TO DO THAT, THOSE AREN'T BIG ISSUES.
DRIVEWAYS ARE NOT A BIG ISSUE.
WELL WITH THAT BEING SAID SIR, IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND RE, WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE? HMM.
I GUESS I'D GO WITH GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
YOU HAVE YOUR BED AND BREAKFAST RESORT RETREAT.
AND BREAKFAST IS PERMITTED IN EVERY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO THAT WAS SITE 10 YEARS AGO TOO, BY THE WAY.
ALRIGHT, GOING BACK TO THE MAPS.
WE GOT UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT AND THOSE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S NO PLACE FOR BUSINESS UP THERE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? OKAY, WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR URBAN TRANSITION RIGHT THERE BY THE COMMERCIAL.
WHAT IS THAT? OH, THAT'S THAT THING THAT'S OVERGROWN THAT THEY HAVEN'T DEVELOPED.
IT WAS GONNA BE A GAS STATION.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY PROPOSED.
IT'S JUST GROWN UP JUNK THAT SHOULD BE CHOPPED DOWN.
USED TO BE A PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT, UH, LANA WAS SUPPOSED TO GO WHEN IT UH, THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF WE WANTED TO CALL ALL OF THAT AUTOCENTRIC UNTIL SOMEBODY SAYS DIFFERENTLY.
WHAT DOES AUTOCENTRIC ALLOW EVERYTHING? YEAH, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST TONS OF HOMES.
SO KEEP IN MIND THERE IS A REQUIRED BUFFER YARD BETWEEN UH, THESE TWO DISTRICTS IF YOU'D LIKE.
I CAN SHOW THAT THERE'S NOT ANY AUTOCENTRIC THAT DOESN'T BACK UP TO HOMES IN OUR CITY.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A BOOGER EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH AN IDEA.
HOW WIDE IS A BUFFER ZONE? TRASH.
YOU GOTTA HAVE ALL KINDS OF LIKE FENCES AND UH, NOISE BARRIERS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A CAR WASH BACKING UP TO A PERSON'S NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT CAN GO WRONG? SORRY, I HAD TO BRING THAT ONE UP.
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SO IF WE HAVE A CLEAN, AN AUTOCENTRIC LOT THAT BACKS UP TO UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONE, IT REQUIRES THIS TYPE C BUFFER YARD.A TYPE C BUFFER YARD CAN BE EITHER 20 FEET WIDE OR 26 FEET WIDE DEPENDING ON DESIGN.
THEY CAN EITHER HAVE A FENCE OR THEY CAN HAVE A BERM.
BUT TYPE C IS THE MOST STRINGENT, CORRECT? YES SIR.
SO WHAT IS THE DARK RED AGAIN? AUTOCENTRIC AUTOCENTRIC STEEL.
THAT'S AUTOCENTRIC RIGHT THERE? YES MA'AM.
AND THEN WHAT, SO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, UH, URBAN TRANSITION FOR THAT OTHER AREA, RIGHT? MM-HMM
CORRECT? UM, I THINK THAT'S OWNED BY UH, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING THE SUBDIVISION, AREN'T THEY? NO, THEY SOLD IT.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD SINCE THEN AS WELL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF.
WHICH WAS A, IT USED TO BE JEROME CAR'S PLACE USED TO BE CELLS, DIDN'T IT? AND THEN HE SOLD IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
CAN'T WE CHANGE THE ZONING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT? LIKE THAT AUTOCENTRIC PART JUST CONTINUED THAT STRAIGHT LINE OVER TO THE BACK OF THOSE HOUSES AND MAKE THAT ALONG TO BAYOU AUTOCENTRIC AND THEN LIKE THE BOTTOM HALF, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL POSSIBLY.
EITHER THAT OR URBAN TRANSITION OR WHATEVER.
BUT JUST GO AHEAD AND DIVIDE IT UP.
UM, IS THAT EASY ENOUGH, TRAVIS? I I THINK THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
SO WHERE, WHERE BILL JUST EXTEND THIS LINE FROM THAT AUTOCENTRIC LINE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THOSE HOUSES TO THERE TO THE EAST? YEP.
WELL KEEP THE, KEEP THE SAME ANGLE IS WHAT HE IS SAYING.
THE SAME DISTANCE FROM FIVE 17.
I THINK THE PROPERTY ALONG FIVE 17 IS VERY VALUABLE FOR AUTOCENTRIC.
I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND 41 0 1 BECOMES SMALL.
UM, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL 41 0 1.
WHAT IS 41 0 1 NOW? ISN'T THERE A HOUSE? IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE.
BUT I GOTTA TAKE A FIVE SECOND BREAK.
I THINK I NEED TO MORE THAN THAT 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN TOO, MAYBE THEY OUGHT TO CALL.
YEAH, SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE? SHOW ME IN THE REAL TIME.
NOT, NO, NOT THAT THE UM, THIS RIGHT HERE.
COULD COULD TRAVIS, CAN YOU SHOW ME ON GOOGLE THAT? DO I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING? FIVE 17.
WE NEED TO PAUSE MEETING IF WE'RE GONNA BREAK QUORUM.
HUH? SO WE YOU DON'T, YOU'RE LOSING A QUORUM.
WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM RIGHT NOW.
YOU GO BY THE WAY, YOU LOOK GOOD ON THAT PURSE.
YEAH, WELL THAT WAS SOMETHING.
HOW MUCH LONGER ARE WE GONNA BE
LET'S, UH, LET'S, LET'S CLOSE THIS, THIS UP AT COUNTRY CLUB ROAD.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE AUTOCENTRIC THAT YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT HERE.
WE, WE CAN'T HAVE A MEETING, RIGHT? OH, OH, I'M SORRY.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY.
ANYONE WANT A TAC? NO THANK YOU.
HEY JOHN, WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS LAST COUPLE OF, UH, LOTS CLOSED OUT AND MAKE, UH, FIVE 17 AND COUNTRY CLUB ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BAYOU AS UH, THE MARK FOR THE NIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO FIVE 17 COUNTRY CLUB DOWN TO BAYOU.
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YOU SHOW ME IN GOOGLE MAPS THAT WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW? UH, YES MA'AM.THAT IS AND SO THIS IS THAT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS HIGHLIGHTED.
OKAY, SO THAT IS CURRENTLY BY THE WAY, HERE IS THE UH, OF IT.
YEAH, NO, I MEAN I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
BUT UM, SO WHAT IS UH, THAT LABELED RIGHT NOW? AUTOCENTRIC AUTOCENTRIC AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
OKAY, WELL THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT THEN THIS OTHER AREA THAT YOU'VE THE OTHER AREA THE SHOW ME THAT IN GOOGLE PLEASE.
SO I THINK THIS IS COUNTRY CLUB OVER HERE.
SO IT'S JUST OVERGROWN PROPERTY THEN MATCHES WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
IT MATCHES WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO MATCH ACROSS THE STREET JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW IT DOES.
UM, WHATCHA TALKING ABOUT WHAT? LOOK, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S OVER TRANSIT.
WOULD YOU ALLOW US DON'T WANT IT TO ZONE THE SAME IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I JUST, SO IF AUTOCENTRIC ALLOWS FOR APARTMENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? NO IT DOESN'T.
THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL ALLOWED AUTOCENTRIC? CORRECT.
I DO, I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS PHIL SAID, THAT WE EXTEND THAT CORNER ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE HOUSE MM-HMM
AND MAKE THAT ENTIRE LOT RIGHT THERE AS AUTOCENTRIC ALSO.
YEAH, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UH, SPLITTING THOSE ONES AS AS COMPARABLE AS BEFORE AND THEN, UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT URBAN TRANSITION RIGHT THERE.
I THINK IT SHOULD UH, BE THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WHICH GIVES THEM THE OPTION TO DO WITH IT WHATEVER THEY WANT RELATIVE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND POSSIBLY EVEN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION THOUGHTS.
WELL IT CERTAINLY ISN'T, THAT'S RETENTION RIGHT THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 41 15, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE RETENTION IS SOUTH OF 41 0 7.
BASICALLY THIS WHOLE AREA RIGHT HERE IS ALL POND.
BUT UM, YEAH I CHANGING THAT TO AUTOCENTRIC THAT SQUARE AND THEN THAT LOWER SECTION.
WELL EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN DO UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION BECAUSE WHAT'S AROUND IT, IT'S ALL PRETTY CLOSE TO UNIFORM.
THE ONLY THING I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IS PRETTY BIG LOTS UNDERNEATH IT.
MM-HMM
THE LOTS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF IT.
SO HOW DO YOU TAKE THIS PORTION THAT'S GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL AND DIVIDED UP COUNTRY CODE KIND OF LOOKS LIKE, UH, AND NOT BE A DETRIMENT TO 41 0 7 AND ADJACENT.
I THINK, I THINK THAT PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY ALSO MIGHT BE DEED RESTRICTED TO COMMERCIAL.
WHAT, WHAT IS FOR COMMERCIAL RESERVE? THAT SUBDIVISION ON THE FRONT.
THAT IS A COMMERCIAL WHOLE AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED AS URBAN TRANSITION.
IT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL, YOU THINK? YEAH, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S DEED THAT WAY.
LET'S CHANGE THE WHOLE THING TO COMMERCIAL AND THEN IT OPENS UP TO A LOT OF MORE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THERE WON'T BE A SU THERE WON'T BE A UH, APARTMENT BUILDING MARK.
WON'T BE WHAT APARTMENT BUILDING? NO, THAT'S RIGHT.
NO AND UM, TRAVIS IF YOU'LL ZOOM OUT SIR, KEEP ZOOMING OUT.
ALRIGHT, SO, OH, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE HAVE DOWN THERE? IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING WHERE THAT'S ALL COUNTRY CLUB COMES DOWN, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.
IS THAT STEPHEN FRIDAY'S HOUSE, IS THAT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? IS THAT WHAT THAT COLOR CODE IS? MM-HMM
DOES IT LOOK WEIRD TO ME? ALL I HAVE A WORLD IMAGERY ON.
AH, BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF WASN'T HAPPEN GOODNESS IN THAT AREA.
UM, SHOULD THAT BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR SHOULD IT BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? NOPE.
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THAT GENERAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNIFORM IS THERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.I AM SURPRISED THAT UH, MARINER'S M MING AND ALL THAT STUFF IS, UH, GENERAL IS NEIGHBORHOOD CON TO ME.
NO, THEY'RE NOT REALLY 44 NINETEENS FOR SALE.
I THINK THE, THIS IS KIND OF A, UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF THAT.
STAYING GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH I THINK GIVES A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON WHAT THEY WANT DO WITH IT.
UH, EVEN WITH THE ONES GOING DOWN COUNTRY CLUB, THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD SIZED LOTS.
YEAH, I'VE GOT NO COMMENTS ON THAT EITHER.
UM, I'M JUST SURPRISED RIGHT HERE.
UH, BAYOU BEND AND CAPTAINS AND MARINER.
WHY THAT'S NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THE NO BACK HERE UNDERNEATH WHERE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THOSE, THOSE ARE, THEY LOOK CONSISTENT BUT THEY REALLY AREN'T.
I MEAN THEY'RE ALL, WELL YOU, I MEAN THOSE ARE ALL PIE PIECES.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO TO CHANGE THOSE EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO.
KEEP 'EM LIKE THAT IS, I THINK THAT LOOKS GOOD THE WAY IT IS.
I MEAN THAT THING WAS DEFINITELY SOME GEOMETRIC MATH WENT INTO BUILDING THAT PLACE I WOULDN'T WANNA MESS WITH IT.
AND THAT BEING SAID, I THINK YOU'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE OF LOTS THAT YOU COULD EVEN ADD TO IT IF YOU WANTED.
OR 2 45 0 5 AND UH, THE TWO TO THE RIGHT OF IT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS BUILT OUT.
SO IT'S GONNA STAY THAT WAY FOREVER.
ALRIGHT TRAVIS, ARE YOU CLEAR THAT WE ARE ALL THE WAY FROM FIVE 17 TO COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, UH, SHUTTING DOWN? LET'S GO BACK UP TO FIVE 17.
WHAT DID, WHAT DID WE WIND UP DOING WITH THAT? THAT, YEAH, THAT PARTIAL AUTOCENTRIC SIR.
I THOUGHT IT WAS COM COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
AND NOW WE, WHEN WE RECONVENE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO COUNTRY CLUB ALL THE WAY EAST TO CITY, UM, LIMITS, CITY LIMITS SOUTH OF FIVE 17.
AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO, UH, THE RAILROAD TRACKS NORTH OF FIVE 17 AND GO TO THE EAST.
AND THEN WE WILL STILL HAVE EVERYTHING TO DISCUSS SOUTH OF THE BAYOU, WHICH IS ALL RURAL, UH, AND STATE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY MUCH TO EVEN DISCUSS SOUTH OF THE BAYOU.
BUT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL CRUISE THROUGH THAT ONE RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF THAT? SOUNDS GOOD.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN IYE.