* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] FIRST [1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM] CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATE OF QUORUM PLEASE. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ASSISTANCE TONIGHT, DO YOU? I DO NOT. I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT, AND THEN NO WORRIES. WE'LL BE PATIENT WITH YOU, SIR. , START WITH, UH, MR. BRUCE ANDERSON HERE, SIR. UH, MR. WILLIAM BROWN HERE. MS. DEBORAH FORTNER. HERE. UH, MS. MR. JOHN HARRIS HERE. AND MR. LIPOMA HERE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OUTSTANDING. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THE INVOCATION? WHY NOT? COUNCILMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? ABSOLUTELY. BE HAPPY TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST, UM, PRAISE YOUR NAME TONIGHT, AND WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT WE CAN REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM, UH, IN MAKING DECISIONS AND JUST, UM, HELP US TO, UH, REMEMBER ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE STANDING, UH, ALL AROUND, UH, THE WORLD TO PROTECT US SO THAT WE CAN DO THIS. WE ASK THIS IN THE PRECIOUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. THE AMERICAN FLAG OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TEXAS FLAG, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE YOUR LEAD, MR. THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS, PRESENTATION, [ 3. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS] BOARD COMMENTS. I WILL START WITH, I HAVE ONE COMMENT, AND THAT IS TO APOLOGIZE TO THE ENTIRE, UH, BOARD FOR ME MISSING IT. , I HAD EVERY PLAN ON BEING HERE. MY WIFE INFORMED ME WE'RE GOING TO DINNER, AND I SAID, SOUNDS GOOD. AND WE WERE SITTING AT DINNER WHEN EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WHERE ARE YOU AT ? AND I COMPLETELY FORGOT MY APOLOGIES TO ALL. UH, WILL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, MS. DEBORAH? UM, NOT REALLY. I MEAN, UH, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO START ADDRESSING AS FAR AS CODE VIOLATIONS, BUT I DUNNO THAT THAT IS, UM, PART OF THIS REP, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBILITIES RIGHT HERE. FAIR ENOUGH. JOHN? NO. MR. PHIL? UH, I'D KINDA LIKE TO SEE A MAP AT SOME POINT IF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE ALREADY MADE. ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR. FANTASTIC. UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING TO ADD IS, UH, WELCOME TO 2026 TO EVERYBODY. AND AGAIN, I MISSED THE LAST MEETING, BUT, UH, I'VE HAD A LOT OF TALKS WITH WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE, AND THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE THINGS I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO ALL YEAR LONG FOR OUR CITY. AND SO, UH, I'M GLAD EVERYBODY'S STILL MOTIVATED TO KEEP PUSHING THROUGH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA GONNA TAKE, UH, QUITE A BIT MORE WORK BEFORE WE'RE FINISHED, BUT IT'S GONNA BE GOOD. OKAY? ALRIGHT. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, WE HAVE THE SHEET AND THERE ARE NOBODY LISTED. UH, EITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE ANYTHING. OKAY? FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM FIVE, CONSENT [5. CONSENT AGENDA] AGENDA. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSION MEMBER REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, I'D LIKE TO DO THESE SEPARATELY SINCE WE, WE WEREN'T ALL AT EVERY MEETING. 'CAUSE SOME MEETINGS THAT WE WEREN'T, WEREN'T AT, WE SHOULDN'T BE ASKED TO APPROVE THAT. I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ABSTAIN FROM THE MEETING I DIDN'T ATTEND. SO IF WE DO 'EM INDIVIDUALLY, I'M SURE WE ALL WEREN'T AT ALL THE MEETINGS. SO, UM, I THINK I WAS, I WAS, I WASN'T. YEAH, MS. DEBORAH WAS WILL. I THINK YOU MISSED ONE, DIDN'T YOU? YOU JUST SAID YOU MISSED ONE. NO, I JUST MISSED THE LAST MEETING. OH, THE, OKAY. WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS ON, WELL, ACTUALLY I STAND CORRECTED JANUARY 6TH. YEP. IT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES. IF YOU DON'T NOTICE ANY CORRECTIONS IN THERE THOUGH, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT IT IS OKAY FOR YOU TO DO THAT EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T AT THE MEETING. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO BILL, OKAY, WELL, I MEAN IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN I'D LEAVE THEM. LEAVE THEM OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WITH THE, WITH THE POINT BEING THAT, UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, A COUPLE OF US HAVE MISSED A FEW OF 'EM, BUT, UH, I THINK THE PEOPLE THERE WILL BE THE ONES GIVING THE ACTUAL AFFIRMATION ON IT. SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL. SECOND, NOW WE HAVE MOTION. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. MOVING ITEM [6. NEW BUSINESS] SIX SIX, A DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAP. OKAY. UH, I'LL SIGN ALL [00:05:01] THIS BEFORE I LEAVE. UH, TRAVIS, THE ONE THING WE WERE HAVING A BIT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT, AND AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MAP SINCE DECEMBER. SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. YES, SIR. UM, JOHN AND I HAD A LITTLE DIFFERENCE OF MEMORY. OKAY. WHICH DOESN'T SHOCK ME. HE'S OLD AND I'VE BEEN HITTING THE HEAD A LOT, BUT, UH, LIKE A LOT REALLY HITTING THE HEAD A LOT. I'VE WAS HITTING THE HEAD A LOT TOO. YEAH, FAIR. BUT, UM, I WAS OF A MEMORY THAT WE DID NOT GO EAST OF HIGHWAY THREE. WE GOT EVERYTHING BETWEEN 45 AND HIGHWAY THREE SOUTH OF THE BAYOU WAS DONE. WE DID A PRETTY FAIR PORTION, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE IN FROM 45. I DO NOT RECALL US TALKING ABOUT NORTH OF FIVE 17 MUCH. THERE WERE, I BELIEVE THERE WERE PORTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T COVER. IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. I THINK WE STOPPED, UH, ROUGHLY AROUND THE DIETZ ROAD AND HIGHWAY THREE AREA, DIETZ ROAD AND HIGHWAY THREE. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE MADE IT THAT FAR. I DO NOT RECALL US MAKING EVERYTHING SOUTH OF DEETS. AND THAT'S MY MEMORY. UH, TRAVIS, WHAT I RECALL THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WAS WE WORKED THAT AREA FROM 45 GOING EAST AND LIKE SPRUCE MM-HMM . AND THAT PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH AND THAT AREA RIGHT IN THERE. WE DIDN'T GET TOO, I DON'T THINK WE GOT TOO FAR EAST OF, UH, SPRUCE, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES LIKE WHERE THE APARTMENTS ARE. MM-HMM . YES, SIR. THEY'RE ON DEETS, CORRECT. I'M SORRY. ON, ON HIGH ON FIVE 17. SOME OF THAT AREA THERE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. THAT'S A PERFECT POINT IN THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT I DO NOT RECALL US DISCUSSING ANYTHING ABOUT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. MM-HMM . MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE ZONED CORRECTLY. AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PERSON HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF LOTS THAT WERE GEARED FOR, UM, A MULTIFAMILY MM-HMM . AND WE'RE LIKE, OOH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE A DRIVE OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. CORRECT. IF I DID, OF COURSE. THAT WAS A MONTH AGO. WHAT DO I REMEMBER NOW? WELL, WE KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR LOTS AT THE CORNER OF OAK AND DETS YES, SIR. THAT ARE ZONED, I BELIEVE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER MM-HMM . THEY SHOULD BE. THEY'VE BEEN RESIDENTIAL FOREVER THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY HOMES THERE. IN FACT, ONE OF 'EM IS JUST RAISED LIKE THREE OR FOUR FEET JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. YES, SIR. I NOTICED THE OTHER DAY ONE OF THOSE LOTS IS FOR SALE NOW IT'S STILL MARKED COMMERCIAL ON THIS MAP HERE. YES. AND, AND TO EVERYBODY'S PIECE. I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK EVERYTHING NORTH OF DEETS ROAD IS GONNA BE RELATIVELY SIMPLISTIC. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE 99% RESIDENTIAL. UM, IS THAT YEAH. IT'S THAT BETWEEN DEETS AND FIVE 17, I THINK WE RUN INTO SOME, UH, IT HAS TO BE ALL RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. RIGHT. SO HERE, THIRD 2, 15 0 6, I DO HAVE A NOTEWORTHY PIECE OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION THAT, UH, I HAVE RECENTLY DISCOVERED, UH, THIS LOT LOCATED HERE THAT WAS FOR SALE. THE WCID ACTUALLY PURCHASED THAT AND THEY INTEND TO, UH, PUT SOME TYPE OF LIFT STATION THERE. SOME KIND OF WHAT? LIFT STATION? A UTILITY. OKAY. IS THAT THE ONE YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN TEAL THERE? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. DID WE MAKE ANY TRACTION WITH THE COMMENT ABOUT THE LOTS THAT, UH, FOR ALL INTENTS PURPOSES DO NOT MEET OUR ZONING EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOVERNMENT OWNED OR, UM, THERE'S DITCHES OR WHATEVER? UH, SO CONTINUING ON THAT, UH, UTILITIES ARE PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS MM-HMM . SO WHETHER WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE SOMETHING NEW THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THAT, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND, AND WE COULD DO THAT IF IT'S, IF IT'S BENEFICIAL. UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, AT THIS TIME ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, UTILITIES ARE PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS. YEAH. THE ONE THAT, EXCUSE ME, UH, THE POINT I WAS MAKING ON IT LAST MONTH WAS THERE ARE CERTAIN LOTS THAT ARE OWNED BY WCID ONE WITH PUMP STATIONS WITH X, Y, Z. THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, LOTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON HERE THAT HAVE DRAINAGE DITCHES, X, Y, Z, THAT ARE BOTTOM LINE, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE MARKETABLE MM-HMM . EVER. AND SO THOSE WERE THE ITEMS I WAS WANTING TO, 'CAUSE I THINK I BROUGHT UP THE POINT ZONING MAP ALSO, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WORTH BUYING OVER THERE TOO. AND IF WE CAN MARK OUT SOME OF THESE THAT WAY THEY'RE, UH, BASICALLY TAKEN OFF OF THE TABLE. OKAY. I MEAN, SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE CREATING A NEW ZONING DISTRICT, RIGHT? LIKE A UTILITY DISTRICT? UM, [00:10:01] I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU AND TELL YOU I HAVE A BRILLIANT IDEA OF WHAT THE ANSWER WOULD THAT BE, BUT I, I'M TRYING, KEVIN, YOU UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE I'M, I WAS THINKING ON THAT. I I DO, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK FULL CIRCLE. IF, IF WE ARE GONNA CREATE A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION FOR THE, UH, FOR UTILITIES, IT'S GONNA BE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT IT AS UTILITIES. I, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. IT, IT'S BASICALLY, UH, CITY, GOVERNMENT, CITY, I'M, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A, A SMART WORD HERE AND IT'S ALLUDING ME, BUT JUST SOME KIND OF NON, NON-AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. WELL, RIGHT THERE, IT'S ALL SOCIAL SERVICE FACILITIES USES. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ALLUDE TO? MM-HMM. OKAY. CUT. AND THEN UTILITIES, THERE'S CATEGORIES FOR THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE PARKS THAT EXIST CURRENTLY. UH, ALL THE UTILITY SITES THAT EXIST CURRENTLY. UM, WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, UH, WHERE THE POLICE STATION IS, WHERE THE HA WHERE THIS BUILDING IS. YEAH. THESE, THIS CAN'T BE DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL AND THEN INDUSTRIAL. WELL, BUT I'M, I'M STILL SAYING IT, IT'S, IT'S A GOVERNMENT OFFICE GOVERNMENT BUILDING. IS THAT, THAT'S NOT ONE OF 'EM ON HERE, IS IT? IT IT IS NOT A ZONING DISTRICT. IT IS A USE, THERE IS A USE THAT'S LISTED AS A GOVERNMENT FACILITY. UM, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF LONG TERM IS IF WE'RE GONNA CLASSIFY THEM AS SOMETHING ELSE, THERE'S STILL A PROPERTY THAT, UH, IS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. IT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SETBACKS. MM. IT'S GONNA REQUIRE, REQUIRED TO HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, WIDTH, ET CETERA. BUT THAT BEING MY POINT, THOSE THEY ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WATER DISTRICT RULES WHO, WHO DICTATES THOSE, BUT I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT A LOT AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT EVERYTHING THEY CAN THAT THEY NEED TO PUT IN THERE. AND I THINK OUR SETBACKS ARE KIND OF IRRELEVANT TO THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WATER DISTRICT PER SE. I WOULD, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF STRUCTURE. IF THEY'RE BUILDING A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, ON THAT, ON THE PROPERTY FOR WHATEVER USE, IT'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO GO BY SETBACKS. WELL, I'M KIND OF GOING OFF TRACK OF MY, WHAT MY POINT IS, I, I THINK YOU POINTED THAT OUT REALLY WELL, THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ZONING DEAL AND THE USES. SO MM-HMM . I, UM, I WAS PLANNING ON MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ELIMINATING OR REMOVING THAT LANGUAGE OF BASICALLY THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES NOT HAVING TO COMPLY WITH OUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS. WCID HAS BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY OVER THERE OFF OF FALCO AND THAT FENCE LINES UP RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT HOUSE. AND THERE'S A BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND THIS SIDE OF THERE. AND SO THEY'RE NOT WCID AND OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH YOUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS, AGREE TO FIT IN THE CITY. SO GALVESTON COUNTY WANTED TO BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING SOMEWHERE. AND THEN YOU HAD THIS CAVEAT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH YOUR ZONING RULES. MM-HMM . YOU MIGHT NOT WANT THAT. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO I, I'M, I'M OFF TRACK HERE A LITTLE BIT AND I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I MEAN, EVERY LOT IN THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE THE RULES IN ONE FORM OR FASHION. KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW, AND YOU BROUGHT IN THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TOO. SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS A LOT OF PROPERTY IN OUR CITY. YEAH, THEY DO. AND KIND OF, AGAIN, MY THOUGHT ON THIS ZONING MAP IS ALSO, WHILE IT'S ALSO ZONING, IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT IF ANYBODY WANTED TO ENTER INTO OUR CITY AND PULL THE ZONING MAP TO SEE WHERE'S ALL THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, I COULD LOOK AT WHERE ARE THE COMMERCIAL LOTS I'M LOOKING AT? AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL LOTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION THAT THEY'RE AT. BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY OWNED BY WCID ONE. THEY'RE OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY'RE OWNED BY THE CITY. AND THEY'RE NOT MARKETABLE WELL AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE NOT YOU, YOU NEVER KNOW. UH, WELL IN THE FUTURE THEY COULD, I'VE SEEN A LOT THAT HAPPEN IN A LOT OF CITIES THAT THEY DON'T, THEY NO LONGER NEED A PARCEL OF LAND. SO THEY SELL IT TO WELL, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. RIGHT. UP UNTIL THE POINT YOU PUT A SCHOOL ON IT OR YOU PUT A PUMP STATION OR YOU TURN IT INTO A PARK, IT'S NOT GONNA COME OUTTA THAT. AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD BE CONFUSED ABOUT THE USE OF THE LOT. 'CAUSE IT'D BE ALREADY USED. SO, YEAH. SO IF YOU'RE SHOPPING FOR SOMETHING AND IT'S ALREADY OCCUPIED AND NOT AVAILABLE FOR SALE, YOU WOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO BUY THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S RIGHT. . ANYWAY, WE'RE DOWN A RABBIT HOLE. WE GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO ON THAT ONE. EXACTLY. THAT'S SOMETHING FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING SMARTER THAN I DID ALREADY. BUT, UH, YEAH, WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THAT. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S STILL KIND OF STICKING IN MY CRAWL A LITTLE AND I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT ARGUMENT TO IT JUST YET. STILL WANNA ALSO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF SPOT ZONING FOR THOSE TYPE OF ENTITIES ALSO. YEAH. POTENTIALLY FOR, [00:15:01] FOR NOW. YEAH. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, I, I HAD BETTER ARGUMENTS IN MY HEAD AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THERE TONIGHT, SO SOMEWHERE COME UP WITH ITS BETTER TIME. JUST, JUST TO WRAP THAT UP TO POINT TO THE POINT THAT, UH, MR. UNDS WAS MAKING IS WE HAVE THIS SECTION THAT DOES EXEMPT, UH, CERTAIN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES FROM THE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE UDC. CAN WE CHANGE THAT? UH, WE CAN RECOMMEND, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING IS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD OFFER A TEXT AMENDMENT YEP. TO SET OR REMOVE THE TEXT ACTUALLY ALTOGETHER AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. I WOULD BE IN COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF THAT. ME TOO. WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? SO I THINK, I THINK CERTAINLY THE WCID PORTION, UH, WE COULD DISCUSS, UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE OF TEXAS AND THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE BIGGER CHALLENGE. I'LL RUN, I'LL RUN THAT ONE THROUGH. CROSS THAT HURDLE WHEN WE GET THERE. EXACTLY. LET THEM COME TO US. I, I, I MOVE THAT WE, THAT WE EXCLUDE, UH, THE GOVERNMENT EXEMPTION. COMPLETE, COMPLETE. LET, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT. OKAY. WCID BUYS A LOT RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE AND PUTS A LIFT STATION IN THERE. YOU EVER LIVE NEXT TO A LIFT STATION? WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS GET RID OF IT. GET RID OF THE PRO RIGHT NOW. THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TODAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANY PORTION OF THE UDC. SO I WANNA GET RID OF THAT STATEMENT. WE'RE NOT HAVING TO COMPLY, SO NOW THEY'D HAVE TO COMPLY. WELL, OKAY. I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT, FOR INSTANCE, YEAH, THE LOT THAT TRAVIS SHOWED US EARLIER AT THE CORNER OF DEZ DEETS AND OAK IS NOW OWNED BY THE WCID AND THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A LIFT STATION THERE. THAT'S WHY I WANNA GET RID OF THIS NOW. . ALRIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE. YEAH. I'M IN FAVOR OF SECOND. DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, I'LL, WELL, IT'S, IT'S JUST BOTTOM LINE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A DISAGREEMENT TO IT? NO, I DON'T DISAGREE. OKAY, THEN WE WOULD LIKE THAT ADDED TO THE, THE COMMENT, SIR. FAIR ENOUGH. AND I GUESS TO TOUCH ON A, A COMMENT Y'ALL MADE EARLIER, UH, MY INTENT AFTER THIS MEETING IS TO KIND OF SUM UP EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THESE WORKSHOP MEETINGS INTO SOMEWHAT OF A LEGIBLE FORMAT. AND I WILL GET THAT IN FRONT OF Y'ALL AGAIN TO MAKE SURE IT ALL MAKES SENSE AND, AND THEN WE CAN GET IT TO COUNCIL. DOES THAT SOUND AGREEABLE? SO ZONING MAP INCLUDED ALL THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, UH, IN A CONCISE FORMAT. MAKES A BIG JOB. NO DOUBT. . ALL RIGHT, SO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE MAP, SIR? THERE WE GO. ABSOLUTELY. UH, SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC INTERSECTION, OAK AND DIETZ. UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS HOUSE WAS RECENTLY RAISED. HE, I KNOW THE GUY, UM, JUST THROUGH ISSUING HIS PERMIT, HE'S GOING TO MAKE THAT HIS FOREVER HOME. UH, SO LIKELY GONNA STAY RESIDENTIAL. SO OTHER THAN THE, UH, WATER DISTRICT, THE OTHER SIX LOTS, IS THERE ANY REASON THOSE ARE NOT JUST A RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION, UH, RESIDENT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING? I CAN'T REMEMBER. IT SAYS SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL. IS THAT WHAT, WHAT IT ZONED AS NOW? CORRECT. SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IS RESIDENTIAL AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF VACANT LOTS. MM-HMM . MAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE, I I'M SHOWING HOUSES. YEAH. WHAT ARE THE STRUCTURES ON, ON THESE RIGHT NOW? UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT? IN THE, IN THE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL IT IS. YES, MA'AM. SO, YES. CORRECT. THE LOTS SURROUNDING THE INTERSECTION ARE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO THEY WOULD BE, UH, CONSIDERED AS EXISTING LEGAL NONCONFORMING. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY OAK AND DEETS LOOKS LIKE INTERSECTION. BIG, BIG PICTURE THAT, UM, THAT I COULD SPEAK TO IS DOWN THE PIPELINE. THEY ANTICIPATE THAT POSSIBLY DEETS IS GONNA BE MORE OF A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THAN IT IS TODAY. AND, AND HONESTLY TODAY IT'S, IT KIND OF GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, SO MM-HMM . I GUESS THEY WERE, UH, SEEING THE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING THIS INTERSECTION, UH, AS A SMALL COMMERCIAL AREA, UH, GOING FORWARD SEEMS LIKE AN ODD PLACE TO ME. YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER INTERSECTIONS ALONG THERE THAT YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, WHY, WHY THAT ONE YOU COULD PUT INTO THE SAME CATEGORY. WHY, WHY THAT PARTICULAR SPOT? WELL, THEY HAVE THE OTHER ONE UP THERE TOO. UNLESS THEY KNEW THE WATER DISTRICT WAS GONNA BUY THAT LOT, [00:20:02] AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID IT. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A FACTOR AS, UH, UTILITIES ARE PERMITTED IN, WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL. YOU GOT ONE JUST DOWN THE STREET THERE WHERE YOU'RE CIRCLING RIGHT NOW? MM-HMM . YEAH. I, I KIND OF SEE THIS POINT ON OAK DRIVE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE, THE LENGTH OF OAK DRIVE, IT'S, UH, GOING ALL THE WAY TO SUNSET TO FIVE 17, AND IT'S ABOUT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT BETWEEN THOSE THREE SEMI MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, SUNSET DRIVE'S, NOT EXACTLY MAJOR, BUT IF THEY WERE PUT A BRIDGE, IT WOULD BE YEAH. DEAD END BRIDGE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. HMM. THE DEAD ENDS OF THAT BRIDGE RIGHT THERE AT, UH, YEAH. THAT BRIDGE IS GONNA GET PUT IN THERE EVENTUALLY. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. WE'VE GOT SO MUCH COMMERCIAL AREA IN TOWN THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PUT A COMMERCIAL AREA. WELL, THE, THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. YEAH. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU WANT A CONVENIENCE STORE IN THAT CORNER? NOW KEEP IN MIND IT'S SMALL, SMALL COMMERCIAL. RIGHT? IS IT WORTH REVIEWING WHAT PERMITTED USES ARE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT? LIKE STREET, THAT SMALL COMMERCIAL? YEAH. ZEN SPA, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A, A SMALL SHOP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DOCTOR'S OFFICE. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SMALL LOTS. JUST LIKE THE LOT AT THE, THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF. YEP. AT THE END OF OUR STREET. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MCDONALD'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A GAS STATION POPPING IN THERE. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, JUST LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THERE, THEY DON'T, THEIR, THEIR PARKING AREA IS SO SMALL, BUT THEY PARK ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREET AND DEEP TRAFFIC. WELL, THERE'S NO PARKING ON DEETS. WHAT? THERE IS NO PARKING ON DEETS. WELL, OR YOU CAN'T DO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ANYWAY AND YOU CAN'T OPEN UP THE SMALL SCALE BUSINESS. YEAH. THEY'D BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE UDC THEN SPA DIDN'T, I'M SORRY, THEN SPA VINCE ZEN SPA. DIDN'T THEY PARK ON, ON ROUTE DRIVE UP AND DOWN ROUTE DRIVE ALL THE TIME. AND IF AND WHEN, NOW THAT THE WATER DISTRICT'S DOING ALL THAT WORK WITH THE WATER LINES MM-HMM . WHEN THEY'RE WORKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THERE. SINCE SPA'S BEEN NON-CONFORMING SINCE IT WAS INSTALLED. WELL, I CAME UP HERE AND TALKED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ABOUT IT AND GOT CHEWED OUT. SO YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, CUT AND DRIED RIGHT NOW. AND FORGIVE ME GUYS, KIND OF KEEPING US BACK ON TRACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT LOOKING AT THE MAP, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING SMALL COMMERCIAL, UM, THIS IS DIET'S ROAD. MM-HMM . I DO CON CONCUR. I THINK DIET'S ROAD IS GONNA GET MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC AND UH, I'M NOT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S RESIDENCES ON THOSE PROPERTIES. THEY'RE GONNA STAY RESIDENCES UNTIL SOMEBODY DECIDES THEY WANT TO BUY IT AND GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I THINK THAT'S, IT'S STILL GONNA BE SMALL SCALE. YEAH. THE ONE ON SOUTHWEST CORNER'S VACANT. I BELIEVE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE IS POINTING TO I, WELL, THERE'S A BIG, A BIG HOUSE THERE RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S STILL THERE. GOOGLE PICTURES. YEAH. IS THERE THERE A DWELLING THERE NOW? MM-HMM. YES SIR. I THOUGHT IT WAS VACANT. OH, WHAT IN THERE? A DWELLING? NO, I THINK THERE'S A HOUSE THERE. YEAH. OKAY. I STAND CORRECT. UM, YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE. OPPOSED TO MAKING THAT SMALL COMMERCIAL, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE LOTS AREN'T BIG ENOUGH TO DO COMMERCIAL, SMALL COMMERCIAL IN THEM. I, I REALLY VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THAT AREA BEING ZONED COMMERCIAL, BOTH OF THOSE AREAS ON THESE ROAD. YEAH. IT'S THE ONE, IT'S THE ONE DIRECT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET THAT WATER DISTRICT HAS BOUGHT. YEAH. THIS IS WATER DISTRICT. MM-HMM . THIS IS THE HOME THAT'S ELEVATED POINT NOW, NOW IS THE ONE THEY JUST RAISED MM-HMM . LIKE THREE FOOT OR WHATEVER CORRECT. PROSPECT. SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. OH, I'M SURE. YEAH. IT'S, YEAH. THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. YES. YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS. IT IS. UM, SIDEWALKS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S MM-HMM . IT'S JUST RESIDENTIAL. YES, I AGREE. THERE'S NO REASON TO CHANGE IT. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHER AREAS IN TOWN FOR COMMERCIAL, SMALL COMMERCIAL OR OTHERWISE. THOSE ARE MODERATELY DECENT SIZED LOTS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. YEAH, THAT ONE DEFINITELY IS, IS LARGE. SO THE, THE CHALLENGE FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA IS, IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE, UH, MITIGATION ISSUES. THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE BAYOU. SO, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, UH, UNDERGROUND ATTENTION OF SOME KIND IF, IF THE LOT IS TOO SMALL TO MITIGATE, UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, OR, OR BUILD ELEVATED ON PILINGS, AND THAT'S NOT ALSO OUTTA THE ROOM OF POSSIBILITY. THEY BUY TWO LOTS. ABSOLUTELY. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . OR, OR BUY SOME OF THE LAWS THAT ARE OWN RESIDENTIAL AND, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR HIS ZONING CHANGE. YEAH. SO PHIL, I I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU SIR. UH, BUT I AM, IF YOU COULD ZOOM OUT ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, SIR. THAT'S GOOD. IT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT OF A [00:25:01] ALONG DIETS ROAD WITH IT BEING A KIND OF A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, YOU KNOW, OPENING UP THE OPPORTUNITY. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S RESIDENTS THERE, IT'S GONNA STAY RESIDENTS AS LONG AS ANYBODY WANTS IT TO STAY THERE. BUT DO WE, DO WE AS A GROUP ENVISION THERE BEING ANY SMALL COMMERCIAL ALONG DE'S ROAD AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF FUTURE THINKING, THAT'S ALL IT IS. WELL, I THINK IF WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT WANTS TO MAKE A SMALL COMMERCIAL THERE, THEY NEED TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND WE CAN, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A SMALL COMMERCIAL, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT WANTS TO BUILD ANYTHING THERE TODAY. MM-HMM . WE MAY NOT HAVE FOR 20 YEARS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WELL THERE'S HOMES THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO PUT, UM, A DOCTOR'S OFFICE, I WANNA BUY THIS HOUSE APARTMENT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A ALL THE WAY HIGHWAY 3 5 17, YOU GOT A LOT OF PLACES FOR DOCTOR'S OFFICES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, UH, YOU'RE GONNA IMPACT THOSE PROPERTY VALUES. THOSE PEOPLE HAVE HAD THOSE PROPERTIES FOR YEARS MM-HMM . AND YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA CUT THEIR LEGS OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THEM. OKAY. YOU THINK, YOU THINK THAT THE AVAILABILITY OF HAVING A, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS LESS THAN HAVING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? DO I THINK THE PROBABILITY? NO, I, NO, NOT PROBABILITY. THE, YOU, YOU INDICATED THAT, THAT IT WOULD, UH, BE LESS, BASICALLY LESS MONEY FOR A, UH, RESIDENTIAL THAN A COMMERCIAL. AND I KIND OF AM QUESTIONING THAT. LIKE, IF I HAD A LOT THERE, WOULD I RATHER HAVE THE AVAILABILITY OF IT AS A COMMERCIAL LOT? OR WOULD I WANTED RESIDENTS? WELL, UM, IT'S A SMALL, THE LOTS ARE SMALL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WELL, WHAT TYPE OF A COMMERCIAL AREA WILL YOU PUT THERE? UNLESS YOU BUY MULTIPLE LOTS? I MEAN, LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS AROUND TOWN WHERE YOU PUT SMALL COMMERCIAL, NOT REAL CO I THINK WHAT FUEL WAS TRYING TO SAY, EXCUSE, FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOU, BUT I THINK WHAT PHIL'S TRYING TO SAY IS WE LEAVE THAT LIKE IT IS NOW. YOU HAVE A HOME ON THE LOT, SAY 1506, JUST FOR EXAMPLE. AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND BUYS THAT LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM YOU. YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU OR THE, OR 31 0 2 AND TURNS IT INTO A, A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING COMMERCIAL. HOW DOES THAT, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT YOUR PROPERTY VALUES? AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY. IF WE LEAVE IT AS IT IS, HOW DOES IT NEGATIVELY IMPACT PROPERTY, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY PROPERTY? BECAUSE DO YOU WANNA LIVE, LIVE NEXT DOOR TO LIFT STATION? DO YOU WANNA LIVE NEXT, NEXT? WELL NOW THE LIFT STATION CAN OCCUR ANYWHERE IS WHAT THEY I UNDERSTAND THAT NEEDED. SO, I MEAN, SO THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH UTILITIES. OKAY, WELL DISREGARD THAT. BUT DO YOU WANNA LIVE NEXT DOOR TO TAKE YOUR CHOICE? ZEN SPA SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU WANNA LIVE NEXT ZEN SPA PARKS IN THE STREET AND BLOCKS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT ON DEEDS, OBVIOUSLY. BUT THE POINT IS, WHEN YOU START LEAVING THAT AS COMMERCIAL, HOW DOES IT IMPACT THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE? LIKE PHIL SAID, FOR A LONG TIME, MAN JUST SPENT, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RAISING THAT, THAT HOME. SO YOU OBVIOUSLY PLANS TO STAY THERE AND YOU OWN A COMMERCIAL AND SOMEBODY PUTS A COMMERCIAL PERMIT, PIECES BUILDING, OFFER SOME KIND OF BUSINESS THERE. HOW DOES THAT IMPACT HIS PROPERTY VALUES, EDUCATION STUFF? DOES IT IMPROVE IT OR DOES IT NEGATIVELY? OKAY, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IF, IF I MAY OKAY. FACILITY, UM, AND THE NAME I'M MOVING FORWARD, TRAVIS. KEVIN, WE'VE DONE REALLY GOOD ABOUT AGREEING ON EVERYTHING SO FAR. YES, WE HAVE. AND MR. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISAGREEMENT AND THAT'S OKAY. IS THERE, IS IT POSSIBLE, 'CAUSE THIS IS ALL JUST RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL. SURE. PERIOD. AT THE END OF THE DAY. YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR, UH, TO HAVE A NOTE SAYING, UH, THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE OF WHETHER THIS SHOULD STAY SMALL OR SHOULD BECOME COMMERCIAL, OR EXCUSE ME, RESIDENTIAL. UM, IT GOES BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE, UH, THOSE COUPLE, A COUPLE OF LOTS, THOSE GROUPS OF LOTS. IT'S THINK THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO DO THIS. YEAH, THEY ARE. SO WE NEED TO, LET'S DO IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YOU'RE RIGHT, PHIL, I AGREE WITH YOU. PLEASE SEE, WE CAN REACH A CONSENSUS ON IT. YEAH. YEAH. SO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD, WE HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I AGREE. BUT, BUT ON THAT ITEM, I CAN, YOU KNOW, ELABORATE ON LIKE THE COMMISSION REPORT THAT HEY, THE, THE BOARD WITH KIND OF A TOSS UP ON THIS. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION BOTH WAYS. THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT I'M MAKING. YEAH. IT'S NOT A HILL FOR ME TO DIE ON EITHER DIRECTION. YEAH. TO BE TRULY HONEST. OKAY. I, I SEE YOUR POINT A THOUSAND PERCENT. I'M ALSO KIND OF THINKING 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IN MY HEAD, BUT I'M GOING, YOU KNOW WHAT, HEY, IN 10 YEARS THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND AND GO 15 DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TOO. IT CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, YOU, YOU'VE STILL GOT THAT PROPERTY. IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT, UH, MAP THIS PROPERTY HERE JUST EAST OF THERE, THERE'S A BIG SWATH OF THERE AT CEDAR AND DETS [00:30:01] THAT'S ALSO ZONE MM-HMM . SO ONE OF THOSE CAN I, THE REAL CHALLENGE THAT I SEE IS ONE FOOT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW AND ONE FOOT ON THE, ON THE FUTURE. THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BALANCE THE TWO IS, IS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH, FOR EVERYBODY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HANDLE THE FUTURE WHEN IT COMES. WELL, THAT'S NOT WELLS, NOT HOW, TRYING TO SET IT UP FOR THE FUTURE. IT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE, THE ZONING MAP IS BASED ON THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS A PLAN FOR 2045. SO IT IS ESSENTIALLY LOOKING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. UH, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY, LIKE MS. FORTNER SAID, IT'S, IT IS VERY, UH, CHALLENGING TO, TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE FOR THAT. IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO MAKE A DECISION IF WE KNEW WHY THEY CARVED OUT THESE TWO PLACES ON DETS ROAD AND SAID THEY'RE GONNA BE COMMERCIAL. HE INDICATED IT. IF I HAD A CONCRETE ANSWER, I I WOULD GIVE IT TO YOU. AND YOU DIDN'T YOU SAY BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSION OF DETS ROAD AND HOW IT'S WELL, AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NOT AN OAK IS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM SUNSET DOWN TO FIVE 17. IT'S THE ONLY ONE NOW GOING OVER TO CEDAR AND, AND DEETS. ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY TOOK TWO LOTS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT. RIGHT. IF, IF YOU'RE ARGUE THAT ROAD, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AT ALL. YEAH. SO IF TAKE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS A HOUSE IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS, HE WANTS TO SELL THAT ONE HOUSE. AND THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR, FOR A COMMERCIAL. MM-HMM . SO, SO WHO'S GONNA BUY HIS HOUSE? ONE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREA. SO, BUT THAT'S, WE, WE TALKED OUT BEFORE, IF YOU, IF WE SET UP A SMALL, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M MISTAKEN IN MY MEMORY, WE SET UP A, A SMALL SCALE LOT, EXCUSE ME, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL, ZONING IT AS A, UH, GOD DANG IT. EXCUSE ME. TOOK A LOT OF MEDICINE TODAY. SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL . OKAY. THERE'S A HOME ON IT. THAT HOME IS, IS GRANDFATHERED. IF HE DECIDES TO SELL IT, THE NEXT PERSON BUYS IT AS A RESIDENTIAL LOT. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LEVEL. BUT IF ANYBODY WANTED TO COME INTO THE CITY AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'D LIKE TO BUY THOSE TWO LOTS AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY WOULD ALREADY BE PRE-APPROVED. THAT'S IT. YEAH. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. I MEAN, I MEAN, IF FOR 50 YEARS IF THERE'S THOSE FIVE HOUSES STAY HOUSES, THEN IT'S STILL RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO BUY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES AND YOU WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS TO, YOU'D LIKE THE LOCATION, UH, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO INVEST MONEY IN THAT KNOWING THAT, UH, IT MAY TAKE, MIGHT, IT MAY GO AWAY ON YOU. YOU KNOW, OR IF YOU, IF YOU, IF THE HOUSE GOT DAMAGED, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REBUILD IT. SO, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT BROUGHT MOST OF THIS STUFF BACK TO YOU GUYS, IS A PRESERVATION OF RIGHT OF USE. MM-HMM . SO SOMEBODY OWNS A HOUSE IN THE EVENT OF A DISASTER, A CATASTROPHE OR WHATEVER, SOMEBODY BEING IN, I THINK 51% PUTS YOU IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. IS THAT RIGHT TRAVIS? IT'S 50% PLUS ONE PENNY. REALLY? SO, RIGHT. UH, IT IS, BUT MONEY, MONEY MONEY'S DIFFERENT WHEN, UH, THOSE, WHEN THOSE EVENTS OCCUR, JUST PRESERVATION OF RIGHT OF USE. IF YOU OWNED A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU HAPPEN TO PUT MONEY INTO IT TODAY, THAT GUY PUT A TON OF MONEY INTO RAISING THAT HOUSE AND NEXT YEAR YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT STORM AND OR HE CATCHES ON FIRE AND BURNS THE GROUND ON FIRE ON A LOT AND YOU WANNA PUT YOUR HOUSE BACK WHERE STILL TO PUT HIS HOUSE BACK. WOULD HE BE ABLE TO DO IT? YEAH. AGAIN, GUYS, NOT A HILL. I'M WILLING TO DIE ON. UH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AS FAR AS KEEPING IT, UH, RESIDENTIAL? I THINK WE GOT TWO FOR SURE. I'M KIND OF, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M RIDING THE FENCE EITHER DIRECTION. WHAT DEBORAH WILL, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, THOUGHT ALONG. I'M THINKING RESIDENTIAL, JUST FOR THE POINT OF EVERYTHING ELSE IS WELL, YEAH. IN THAT AREA. 'CAUSE IF ANYBODY COMES IN AND BUYS A LOSS ANYWAY, THEY CAN STILL COME THROUGH HERE AND, AND GET IT CHANGED POSSIBLY. BUT THE CHECKING THING, THE CURRENT LANDOWNER MM-HMM . YOU GUYS SAY THAT THE HOUSE HE JUST RAISED DOES BURN TO THE GROUND AND HE CAN'T EVEN GO BACK THE WAY, THE CURRENT WAY. IT'S EVEN IF HE HAVE HAS INSURANCE MONEY, CAN'T. AND JUST TO, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT WILL SAID, IF WE LEAVE IT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL AND SOMEONE COMES IN THE HOUSE BURNS DOWN OR WHATEVER, SOMEBODY BUYS THAT WANTS TO PUT COMMERCIAL, SOME WHATEVER COMMERCIAL TYPE OF FACILITY OR BUILDING IN THERE, THEN THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND EITHER SAY, YES, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT, OR NO, WE DON'T WANT IT, AND HERE ARE THE REASONS WHY. AND WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT IF WE LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE. THEY DON'T A CHOICE. TRACY TRAVIS, AND THAT'S IT [00:35:01] FOR, FOR A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS. YES. UH, IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, UH, MANY OF THE MORE INTENSE USES DO REQUIRE A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO IT'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH COUNCIL, UH, LIKE A BAR. IT, IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED WITHOUT PROOF OF COUNSEL. UH, SAME WITH BED AND BREAKFAST, SHORT TERM RENTALS, LIQUOR STORES, UH, THESE VAPOR TOBACCO STORES, THEY HAVE LIMITED USE STANDARDS, SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL. OKAY. YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE MAP FOR A SECOND, SIR? ABSOLUTELY. UM, I, SPEAKING FOR ALL EVERYBODY, DOES EVERYBODY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD, UH, CONVERT ALL THESE ORANGES ALONG DET ROAD, DETS ROAD TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S FINE. I DO. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT DOES APPLY ALSO TO CEDAR DRIVE AND DEETS, ESPECIALLY THE TWO LOTS ON THE TWO ON THE BACK. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THEY'RE THERE. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD. TRAVIS? YEP. SO, UH, THE LOTS AT DE DEETS AND OAK AND THE LOTS AT CEDAR AND DEKES, INCLUDING THE ONES THAT BORDER PINE GROVE SIDES. YEAH. OKAY. IF YOU COULD SCROLL OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN DEETS AND FIVE 17. UM, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT HERE? DID WE MAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO MAPLE? I THOUGHT WE DID. HMM. I COULD BE WRONG. I'VE SLEPT ONCE OR TWICE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL, AND THOSE ARE YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. WE'VE, WE'VE CUT IT. MM-HMM . I THINK WE AGREED ON THAT. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE BROWN IS URBAN TRANSITION. THAT'S ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. RIGHT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT ELMAN BIRCH. DID WE? I BELIEVE SO. WE, WE WERE GONNA FLIP THESE TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. OKAY. WE DID CONVERT THEM BACK TO OKAY. BEAUTIFUL. YES, SIR. THEN THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THIS REFLECTS WHAT THESE COLORS REFLECT. IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN WE NO, NO. THIS IS THE OLD, THIS IS EXISTING NOT PROPOSED. UH, NEXT MEETING WHILE I'LL HAVE THE PROPOSED, THAT'S WHY I WAS THROWING OFF TO YOU. OKAY. SO, UH, EAST OF OAK, SIR. AND I THINK, IS THERE ANYBODY THINK OF ANYTHING NORTH OF DETS ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? I MEAN THAT WHOLE AREA IS SO BUILT OUT. UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT WHAT ALL THAT IS RIGHT THERE? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THESE ARE, AND WHY DO WE HAVE THOSE RIGHT THERE? RODEO BEND? UH, FORGIVE ME, I'M GONNA REFRESH THE MAP. OKAY. HMM. THAT ST. EDMONDS THERE. SO THIS IS SMALL SCALE AGAIN. ST. EDMONDS IS UP HERE. ISN'T THAT IT? RIGHT THERE? RIGHT HERE? YEAH. BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL HERE. WE GOT SOME PRETTY BIG LOTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THERE THAT MADE THAT A GOOD IDEA. ISN'T THAT WHERE THOSE LUMP LONGHORN CATTLE ARE? LET'S A GOAT GREEN OR SOMETHING OVER THERE. YEAH. THIS ONE HERE. YEAH. IT'S PRETTY UNDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. WASN'T THE GUY FROM HERE LAST TIME FROM THAT? YEAH, I THOUGHT SO. I KNOW EVERYBODY FROM ST. EDMOND'S GREEN WAS HERE. MM-HMM . UM, I THINK THERE'S OUR POTENTIAL DRAINAGE PROJECT, BUT CONTEMPLATED TO GO IN THAT AREA TOO. YEAH. YEAH. IT SEEMS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED. YEAH. WITH THE WHOLE LOT OF HOUSES ON, UH, TIMBER. UH, WHERE'S TIMBER ON THIS THING? THERE? IT'S, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, ACTUALLY I THINK THERE'S, YEAH, THAT ONE THAT'S IN THE CORNER OF RODEO BEND AND TIMBER. THERE'S A HOUSE ON THAT TOO. UH, YEAH. IT USED TO BE A FRIEND OF MINE'S HOUSE. IS THAT MR. LAWRENCE'S HOUSE? SO MY, MY QUESTION TO THE, UH, COMMISSION HERE, DOES ANYBODY SEE A LOGIC BEHIND, IN FACT, SHOULDN'T THOSE BE, UH, RURAL AND [00:40:01] A STATE? I THINK THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR IT. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PROBABLY OVER ONE ACRE. UH MM-HMM . THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY RURAL ESTATE IN THIS AREA. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY COUNTRY OUT THERE. SO HERE'S POSSIBLY A, A THOUGHT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THIS AREA, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT MAY BE BENEFICIAL AS IT'S THE ONE THAT REQUIRES, UH, THE PROPERTY DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS TO BE THE AVERAGE OF WHAT'S EXISTING. RIGHT. AS SO IT LOOKS LIKE SURROUNDING IS, IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT ALLOWS, UH, FOR SMALLER LOT SIZES. YEAH. AND I'M, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ALL THE WAY TO GIL ROAD SOUTH OF BEST ROAD. IT'S, IT'S ALL THE SAME STUFF. THESE ARE ALL, I THINK I WOULD MAKE THE RESIDENT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CONVERT ALL THAT FROM GENERAL RESIDENTIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. SO FROM GILL ROAD, WAS THAT EAST TO TIMBER? MM-HMM . BASICALLY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OAK. BASICALLY EVERYTHING WEST OF TIMBER, ALL THE WAY LIKE OAK AND UP TO THE CORNER OF BEST, BECAUSE THOSE ARE BIG LOTS THAT CAN STAY EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE. BUT IF ANYBODY WANTED TO DEVELOP THEM, IF THEY WANTED, LIKE, ONE OF THESE MIGHT BE FIVE OR 10 ACRES. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DEVELOP 'EM, THEY'D BASICALLY HAVE TO DEVELOP 'EM. SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S AROUND THEM, CORRECT? MM-HMM . IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT? YES, SIR. MM-HMM . SEE, CAN YOU DRAW A LINE AROUND THE AREA? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUNSET TO OAK, TO RODEO, BEND AND TIMBER IS, THAT'S THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. PRETTY MUCH. LIGHT YELLOW . YEAH. I'M KIND OF RECOMMENDING EVERYTHING THAT'S WEST OF TIMBER. THAT'S LIGHT YELLOW. OKAY. CHANGE ALL OF IT TO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ALL THE WAY TO WHERE, UH, WHERE X IS RIGHT THERE, WHERE HE'S AT. YEAH. I'M GOING ALL THE WAY TO TIMBER WITH ALL THAT. ALL THE WAY TO TIMBER, RODEO BAND AND ALL THE WAY TO TIMBER. YEAH. YEAH. JUST BASICALLY. YEAH. LORD, YOU ACT LIKE YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA DO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE TOO? YEP. SO EVERYTHING LIGHT YEAH. DOWN TO SUNSET. MM-HMM . ALL THAT STUFF. YEP. AND GO ACROSS TIMBER. SURE. THAT'S THE BACKSIDE. WELL, THOSE LOTS ARE SMALL THOUGH. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. THESE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF LOTS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE VERY UNIQUELY SHAPED. AND I'VE TALKED TO MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT IT. UH, 'CAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY HAVE THAT CENTER POINT PIPELINE EASEMENT MM-HMM . IN THAT AREA. AND IT, IT REALLY LIKE THESE, THE LOTS LOOKS SMALL, BUT THEY HAVE HUGE BACKYARDS. YEAH. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE PRETTY MUCH. YEP. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. ANY THOUGHTS, GUYS? MAKE IT ALL IT MAKES SENSE. NEIGHBORHOOD CONFERENCE CONSERVATION. YES, SIR. SO THAT PEOPLE COMING IN KEEP THE LOTS BIG LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND THEN BASICALLY ALL ALONG, TIMBER DOWN THERE BACKING UP TO, UH, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT DOWN THERE, DOWN TO D ROAD AND THEN YEAH. RIGHT ON. ANY MORE INPUT ON THAT? HMM. THINK, THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT? YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU CAN SCROLL FURTHER TO THE SOUTH WITH, THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT. UH, ZOOM IN, UH, THE OTHER AREA WHERE WE HAVE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. THERE YOU GO. [00:45:04] UM, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SMALL, UM, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL UP HERE AT DEETS TIMBER. MM-HMM . IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. IS THAT THE, UH, YEAH, THE WATER DISTRICT. BUT THAT'S SOUTH OF DIETZ, RIGHT? THESE ARE JUST RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE RIGHT OF WAY GOES BEHIND HIM. UM, RECOMMENDATION ON, UH, THOUGHTS ON THESE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL FOR THOSE, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 RIGHT THERE. 2207 MM-HMM . 30 21. 3001. MM-HMM . SO HOT LINE. YOU GUYS WANT THOSE TO STAY? UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CON CONSERVATION WOULD BE GOOD. WHETHER IT'S A SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW. YES. CORRECT. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO WHAT, WHAT'S ON THEM RIGHT NOW? HOUSES? SAME. SAME ISSUE THAT MM-HMM . YOU HAD MM-HMM . YEAH. AND THEN THIS ONE IN BETWEEN, THERE'S NOTHING ON IT RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM . AND THEN IT'S ON THE BACK UP HERE. THIS IS ALL RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT FOR THE, UM, UTILITIES. 31 0 2. UH, THAT LOT RIGHT THERE THAT HE HAD LITTEN UP. YEAH. WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S A RIGHT OF WAY. NO, 31 0 2 IS A HOUSE. NO, IT'S NOT. THAT BELONGS TO THE, UH, WATER DISTRICT. OKAY. GOTCHA. YEAH, THEY BOUGHT THAT WHOLE BLOCK AND THEN CLOSED IN FALCO TO TIE OVER TO EACH OTHER. THOUGHTS. SO THAT STAYS SMALL. YEAH. THAT ONE SCALE WE'RE NOT GONNA, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WE'RE SUGGESTING GOES LIKE THE OTHERS THAT WE DID, RIGHT? MM-HMM . CONSERVATION. WHAT IS THIS? LIKE YOUR, THAT'S A HOUSE CONSENSUS OVER HERE. WE GOT CONSENSUS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TABLE. WILL YEAH. COME THERE WITH IT. YEAH. SAME. I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME. YEP. ALL YOU GOT THAT TRAVIS. SO THIS AREA WE'RE LEAVING ALONE AND THIS AREA, ARE WE FLIPPING? WE'RE GONNA TURN THOSE TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND I THINK ALL OF THE LIGHT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ALSO WILL BE TRANSITIONED TO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. 2005 IS A MONSTER LOT. BASICALLY NORTH OF DIET ROAD. BACK UP TO THAT AREA YOU HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER. COUNCILMAN, YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO, SIR. OKAY. SO ALL THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL, I MEAN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, WE'RE GONNA GO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YES, SIR. GOTCHA. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT? WHAT? ON TIMBER DRIVE? 28 0 2. IT'S GONNA BE NORTH OF GREENLEY. 28 0 2, RIGHT THERE. THIS, OKAY. THAT'S ALL ONE BIG LOT. YEAH. YOU SEE THAT LITTLE SQUARE OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE? YEAH. THIS THING , THERE'S LIKE A CONSTRUCTION SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. I'M LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE MAPS ON IT. WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUE IT LOOKS LIKE A TANK. NO, I MEAN, UH, YEAH, LET'S LOOK AT IT. YEAH. YOU SEE THE, OR IS IT A CORRAL OR THERE'S BOATS? THERE'S KIND OF, IT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. YEAH. LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE JUNKIE. , COUPLE BOATS. I'VE NEVER BEEN BACK IN THERE. UH HMM. ME EITHER. CAN'T SEE THAT FROM THE ROAD. NO, YOU CERTAINLY CANNOT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT STILL FALLS IN THE SAME CATEGORY. YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT UNTIL [00:50:01] IT'S TIME TO, SOMEBODY COULD BUY IT AND DEVELOP IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE TURNING THAT INTO THAT BIG OLD PIECE OF DEAL INTO NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CONSERVA, UH, CONSERVATION. MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT NOW IT PROBABLY FALLS MORE IN THE RURAL, IN THE STATE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE COULD COME A POINT WHERE SOMEBODY DEVELOPS IT IF IT SELLS OUT. WELL, NEIGHBOR. SO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU WANT IT TO CONFORM TO THE REST OF THE, THE PLACES IS, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. IT'S, IT WASN'T CONFORM BY NATURE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS DESIGNED TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO WHERE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, UH, RATHER THAN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IS IF, UH, SAY SOMEONE WANTED TO REDEVELOP THIS LOT INTO A SUBDIVISION, UH, THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL HAS CLEAR CUT, YOU KNOW, LOT DIMENSIONS AND STANDARDS THAT THEY WOULD GO BY. AND IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO PARCEL IT UP AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT, THEN IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT AS YOU'LL ONLY BE ABLE TO SPLIT IT UP WHAT THE AVERAGE OF THE EXISTING LOTS ARE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'D BE BETTER TO KEEP IT, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. IT DEPENDS ON, ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO FOR THAT SITE. IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AREA THAT WE THINK, UH, COULD BE EASILY REDEVELOPED, UH, INTO A, A SUBDIVISION TYPE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THEN THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WOULD FIT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WELL, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA SPOT, SPOT IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. THEN YOU GET TO SPOT. YEAH, YOU DON'T. BUT IF WE DO THAT, I MEAN, ALL THE OTHER STUFF HERE, HERE IS DARK, IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. SO THEN WE GO IN HERE AND WE SAY, WELL, THIS, THIS, WHY NOT PUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS PIECE THAT MAKES NO SENSE. SO, AND THESE DON'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S A CHARACTER THAT THAT'S THE SAME ANYWAY. SO I THINK IT'D BE BETTER JUST TO KEEP 'EM, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. 'CAUSE TO ME THEY, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE ANY SIMILARITY. WHY DO YOU WANTED TO REPL THAT? AS I SAID, DIVISION. WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO CREATE THEIR OWN CONFORMITY? IT, IT WOULD STILL TAKE THE AVERAGE OF THE BLOCK CONSERVATION. HOW, HOW FAR AWAY IS THE AVERAGE? SO WHAT IT SAYS IS AVERAGE OF THE BLOCK FACE AND HOW IT DEFINES BLOCK FACE IS, IT WOULD BE THE LOTS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET BETWEEN TWO INTERSECTING STREETS. SO LIKE THIS LOT, WE WOULD LOOK AT EVERY LOT ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET BETWEEN SUNSET AND THIS GREEN LEE. THAT'S IF YOU HAD NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UH, CONSERVATION. CONSERVATION. CORRECT. AND IF YOU HAD JUST GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UM, PARDON ME? GENERAL RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM . YEAH. IN OTHER, IF YOU LOOKED AT 25, 11 AND UH, THOSE OTHER ONES, BOTTOM LINE, YOU COULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LESS THAN A TWO OR THREE ACRE LOT BECAUSE EVERYTHING THERE IS THAT SIZE. HE WAS GONNA MAKE ME ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, PROPERTY BEHIND ST. EDMOND'S GREEN THAT CAME UP NOT TOO LONG AGO. THE DEVELOPER, WOULD HE BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT THE WAY HE INTENDS TO DO SO IF YOU CHANGED IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? NO. RIGHT. I I WOULD LEAN TO NO. YEAH. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT, I DON'T WANNA KILL HIS DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. WELL, FOR THAT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD BELIEVE THAT HIS PROJECT'S GRANDFATHERED. HE'S ALREADY HAD PLAT APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT. BUT SEE, THE SAME, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE MADE NEIGHBOR, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, THEY HAD A CHARACTER THAT WAS SIMILAR, UNDERSTOOD. IN, IN NO WAY IS THIS SIMILAR CHARACTER. CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A FAIR BIT? A LITTLE MORE AND A LITTLE MORE STOP. SO I WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YOU MADE AN OUTSTANDING POINT IN THAT THERE IS NO CONSERVATION IN ANY OF THIS. IT'S ONE THING IF WE HAVE ALL THESE LOTS THAT ARE VERY NEATLY DIVIDED AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT THIS IS ALL WE JOKED ABOUT IT BEING RURAL BEFORE. WELL THERE'S, THERE IS NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TO. RIGHT. THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A CHARACTER. YEAH. UH, AND THEREFORE I THINK GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE THERE'D BE MORE FLEXIBILITY. MM-HMM . IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT AN AVERAGE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I WOULD EVEN, MY SUGGESTION THAT'S AS FAR AS YOU, AND I'M REALLY GLAD YOU MADE THAT GREAT SHADY AREA. WE CAN YOU TO DELETE IT NOW, . NO PROBLEM. WELL, LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYBODY FEELS THE, THE SAME GENERAL. [00:55:01] DO YOU FEEL THE SAME YOU GUYS? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, GENERAL, I THINK I TOOK IT, UH, THE WRONG WAY. BUT YEAH, THE ORANGE I THINK SHOULD BE, UH, SO LEAVE IT ALONE. . EXCEPT FOR THE ORANGE. WE GOTTA CHANGE THAT STILL. GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, HUH? THE ORANGE UP HERE. OH, I SEE. YEAH. ST EDMOND'S GREEN. YEAH. BUT YEAH. OKAY. SO THE ON RODEO BAND, THE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL, WE'RE PUT, WE'RE MOVING TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. WE DO. WE WANNA INCLUDE THESE, THESE LOTS. IT'S A DEAD END PART OF THAT ROAD, ISN'T IT? YEAH, IT IS. YEAH. BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA SAND DOWN. GREEN'S GONNA COME THROUGH, RIGHT? UH, NO, NOT HERE. IT'S UH, NOW I TURNED MYSELF AROUND. ACTUALLY. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. GOD, WHAT IS THAT LITTLE SLICE? THAT'S WEIRD. THIS RIGHT HERE? MM-HMM . I THINK THAT'S, UH, ALSO PART OF A CONTEMPLATED DRAINAGE PROJECT AREA THAT IS BEING LOOKED INTO. GOTCHA. YEAH, IT'S UNDEVELOPED, THAT'S FOR SURE. 'CAUSE BASICALLY THAT WHOLE YELLOW UP THERE, THAT'S ALL A RETENTION POND. MM. YEAH. THIS PARCEL COMES BACK TO US, WHICH IS WHAT THE WHOLE RETENTION WAS AND THE ONE ABOVE IT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO LEAVE THESE AT SMALL SCALE OR GO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. I MEAN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, I THINK GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. MM-HMM . YEAH. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A LOT OF BUSINESS UP IN THERE. NO. IT'S GONNA PUT 'EM ON AN ISLAND. UM, YEAH, I THINK THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THOSE LOTS RIGHT THERE. UM, THEN THERE USED TO BE LIKE A SMALL FARM THERE. I HAD SOME, UH, HORSES ZOOMING IN. I DON'T SEE IT ANYMORE, THAT'S FOR SURE. USED TO BE, IT'S A LITTLE COUNTRY UP IN THERE. MM-HMM . ANYWAY. YOU GOT IT. TRA SIR, WE'RE MAKING ALL OF THAT ORANGE. UM, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. YES, SIR. OKAY. YOU GOOD WITH THAT? GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ZOOM BACK OUT PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. UH, RIGHT WHERE HIS CURSOR WAS JUST A SECOND AGO. UH, THOUGHTS ON THAT? DO WE ALL WANT THAT TO STAY GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ALSO? OR DO WE WANT TO, I MEAN, IT'S SPOT ZONING, LIKE YOU SAID, KEV, BUT, UH, ALL THIS HERE SEEMS TO FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSERVATION RELATIVE TO HOLLY AND SUCH LIKE THAT IN PECAN. THERE ARE ACTUAL HOUSES AND SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT THERE. BUT THAT ONE COULD BE GENERAL. UH, YEAH. SO BASICALLY SOUTH OF WHERE HE'S GOT THAT BLUE SQUARE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RED, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT DOES BECOME RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION, BECAUSE THOSE ARE ACTUAL LOTS WITH HOUSES, UH, KIND OF DIVVIED UP TO GIVE 'EM A, A BREAK IN SIZE WEIRDLY. YEAH. THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION'S KIND ODDLY PLACED DIFFERENT SIZE LOTS CREATES A LARGE VARIABLE FOR THE AVERAGE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN THERE'S THE CREEK RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT'S ALREADY A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. THERE'S NO AVERAGE. WELL, KIND OF MY POINT IS THIS WHOLE AREA RIGHT HERE, NOBODY'S GONNA COME IN THERE TO DEVELOP IT. THERE'S ALREADY HOUSES THERE. THEY'VE ALREADY GOT LOTS. UH, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO REPL LIKE SOMETHING LIKE 2117 AND SPLIT IT IN HALF, PUT TWO HOUSES, WHICH I THINK IT MIGHT STILL FALL IN THE CATEGORY BEING OKAY ON THAT. MM-HMM . BUT, UH, THE LARGE PIECE PROPERTY, THERE'S NO HOUSES OR ANYTHING ON NOTHING. OKAY. SO THAT'S ALL WOODS. [01:00:01] OKAY. SO IT COULD BE DEVELOPED SOME POINT. SO IT COULD BE, BUT IT, IT'LL, IT'LL, IF YOU, IF YOU PUT IT AGAIN, WE'RE THE SAME PROBLEM. IF YOU PUT IT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, GENERAL, GENERAL RESIDENTIALS, WHAT, UM, YEAH. BUT, SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA SPOT, SPOT THAT IN AS GENERAL AND THE REST OF IT YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE. IT'S, IT'S A BIG LOT. OKAY. SO YEAH. NOW I DO HAVE A DUMB QUESTION HERE. DIRECTLY NORTH OF THAT, THAT LINE RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM . CLICK ON THAT. 'CAUSE THAT IS AGAIN, YEAH, GOOD POINT. THAT, THAT SHOULD BE YEAH, SEVEN ACRES. YEAH. THAT CAN'T BE, UH, CONSERVATION. YEAH. SO WHEN YOU'RE, UH, LIKE YOU REFERENCED SPOT ZONING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TO COMBINE MORE THAN ONE PARCEL, UH, IT STARTS TO CREATE KIND OF A NODE, A ZONING NODE. IT WILL LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN ZONING ONE PARCEL AS A DIFFERENT ZONE INDUSTRY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. YOU GUYS IN FAVOR OF MAKING THAT GENERAL, GENERAL HIGHLIGHTED ONE GENERAL ALSO? YES. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. AND THEN KEEP THOSE OTHER TWO GENERAL AND THEN EVERYTHING AROUND PECAN AND, UH, HOLLY, KEEP THAT, UH, OR TURN THAT INTO CONSERVATION. YES, THAT'S FINE. SO WHAT ABOUT UP THERE, DEETS? UH, IN, IN THE CORNER OF TIMBER AND DEETS. YEAH. THAT'S A WEIRD NO NO, THAT'S FINE. LEAVE THAT THERE. BUT OVER, WHAT IS IT GOT? UH, UH, WHAT IS IT GOT? WHY DOES IT HAVE THAT IN THERE? YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS LOT. YEAH. THERE'S A HOUSE THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH, THAT ONE. WELL, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL THEN IF THERE'S A HOUSE THERE, IT, IT'S SMALL SCALE. HUH? THIS ONE IS SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL. YEAH. THE OKAY. THE LOTS ABOVE AND AROUND IT AND EVERYTHING. THERE'S HOUSES THERE. EVEN THAT BIG SQUARE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO SPIRIT OF 76. THAT'S A INDIVIDUAL LOT WITH A BIG HOUSE ON IT. YEAH. WHY? WHY WOULD THAT BE A SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL? THAT RIGHT THERE? DIDN'T WE JUST CHANGE THAT EARLIER? WHAT? DO YOU GO THERE FOR 21, 23? UH, YEAH, WE DID. YEAH, WE CHANGED THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S NOW, UH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING. IT'S ALL SORRY. RIGHT THERE ON BEACH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. YEAH. YEAH, WE SURE DID. THERE WE GO. YEAH, I GOT THAT ONE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I GOT THAT. I GOT THIS ONE. WE'RE GOING TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND I GOT THESE, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW THAT'S ALL DOWN. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE WE GOING, UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF TIMBER NOW, RIGHT? OR EXCUSE ME. OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOUTH FIVE ACTUALLY. DID WE DO, GOES FURTHER SOUTH, SIR. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MUCH TO DO, PERIOD. SOUTH OF FIVE 17 NORTH OF THE BAYOU. I THINK THAT ALL FALLS IN THE SAME AS IT EVER WAS. UH, FADA, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL? COMMERCIAL OR SHOULD THAT BE SMALL SCALE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO FADA? BECAUSE THAT'S 37. OH SEVEN. YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT BIG LITTLE STRIP MALL RIGHT THERE FALLS A CATEGORY OF, UH, I GUESS IT DOESN'T, THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, STRIP OFFICES RIGHT THERE ON FADA IN 37 0 7, RIGHT. AND THEN THE BACKSIDE 19 0 5, 19 0 2. YEAH. RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE, WE FLIP THOSE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YEAH. OH TWO AND OH FIVE. YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. 'CAUSE THAT IS IN A SUBDIVISION. CORRECT. DEEP IN THE SUBDIVISION. AND THEN 37 0 7 TRAVIS. HELP ME OUT HERE ON HOW THAT IS AUTOCENTRIC AS OPPOSED TO SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL. 'CAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE SERIES. THERE'S ABOUT NINE SMALL OFFICES. MM-HMM . SO I THINK THAT ONE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL. 37 0 7 AND 1700. THAT PACKS UP TO FIVE 17 OFF OF ROY LEAN. OH YEAH. THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS. I THINK IT'S A MASSAGE. OR THAT'S [01:05:01] A QUICKBOOKS PLACE. MM. IS IT? OKAY THEN THAT ONE SHOW THE DENTIST'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING NOW. YEAH. , I, I'LL JUST SAY IT OUT LOUD. 1810. WE, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT, THAT ALL OF THOSE SMALL SCALE. 'CAUSE IF SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH SOMETHING EVEN REMOTELY COMMERCIAL, EVERYBODY DOWN THERE IN ROILING AND AMANDA, AMANDA ARE GONNA FLIP OUT. IT'LL BE A PARTY AGAIN. YEAH. UH, THOUGHTS? EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? 19 0 5, 19 0 2 GOING TO CONSERVATION. 37 0 7, 18, 10 AND 1700 GOING TO SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL. MM-HMM . YES. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR LARGE SCALE. YEAH. 1810 IS, YEAH. WELL THAT'S NOT, IT'S BACKING UP TO ALL THESE HOMES. YEP. KEEP, KEEP IN MIND, UH, ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT BORDERS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A BUFFER YARD. MM-HMM . ON EACH SIDE. WOULD YOU, UH, SHOW AGAIN WHAT AUTOCENTRIC MEANS? UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT WE THINK IT MEANS. ALL RIGHT. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE DESCRIPTION. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT LOT'S ACTUALLY BIG ENOUGH TO BE AUTOCENTRIC. IS IT? IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND SUCH ON IT, UH, YOU'RE GOING TOO FAST. SORRY. I'M LOOKING FOR LOT SIZE. SORRY. YEAH. IT'S GOT, YEAH. THERE'S GOOD SIZE SETBACKS REQUIREMENT. THERE'S NOT A TECHNICAL LOT AREA. HOW MANY ACRES TAKE 50 FEET OFF THE FRONT OF 18, 10? YOU'RE GONNA START CUTTING DOWN. YEAH. IT'S ALMOST TWO ACRES. YEAH. OKAY. EVERYBODY COOL WITH THAT? MM-HMM . YEAH. COME BACK DOWN. LEMME SEE THE NO THE OTHER WAY. THE OTHER DOWN THE OTHER WAY. GO UP THEN. OKAY. SORRY. KEEP GOING. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SEE? I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT, UH, KIND OF MY MENTAL IMAGE OR AUTOCENTRIC IS TECHNICALLY YOU CAN DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING. SO IT'S LIKE GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. AUTO AUTOCENTRIC IS THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL OF TODAY. YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T LIKE THAT TERM MAP, SIR. ALRIGHT. SCROLL OUT. JUST A SCO A LITTLE MORE. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT NOTHING TO LOOK AT. UH, SOUTH THERE. SO THEN WE GO TO THE EAST. AND WHAT IS MIXED USE? SORRY, I'M JUST GONNA WRITE THIS DOWN REAL QUICK. UH, WHAT IS 39 14? I THINK IT'S A BIG OLD SLAB OUT THERE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT. MM-HMM . IT USED TO BE A HOUSE ON IT AT ONE TIME. YEAH. IT IT BURNED DOWN. YEAH. FLOODED AND BURNED DOWN. MM-HMM . A LOT OF GONE. ALRIGHT. SO WHERE IS THE SCHOOL ADMIN BUILDING? IS THAT UP THERE? IT'S RIGHT HERE. IS THAT 2218? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. LET ME GET MY HIT. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S WAGON ROAD. YEAH. AND THEN YOU, THAT'S A ROUGH LITTLE ROAD DOWN THERE. LEMME PULL MY OWN MAP. I CAN'T SEE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE THE LIGHTHOUSE USED TO BE. THAT'S WHERE KEYWORTH IS. 2208 IS KEYWORDS. MM-HMM . THEN YOU COME DOWN BIG LOTS AND YES, 39 14 IS JUST ONE GIANT CONCRETE SLAB. YOU ARE RIGHT. UM, WHAT IS MIXED USE? SO MIXED USE ALLOWS, UH, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES IS ACTUAL MIXED USE. DIFFERENT DISTRICT CONCENTRATION IS SMALL SCALE RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE BUILDING BUSINESSES THAT ARE BUILT NEAR THEIR STREET. [01:10:01] SMALL SCALE RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE BUSINESSES. 'CAUSE THAT DOES HAVE KIND OF A WATER VIEW, RIGHT. SO WHEN WE, WE LOOK AT USES FOR MIXED USE, NOT MUCH. THERE'S DENSE RESIDENTIAL MULTIPLEX TOWNHOUSE APARTMENT HAS THIS LIVE WORK UNIT THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE BE INTERESTED IN THAT. BRUCE, COULD WE HAVE A SHORT BREAK? WE MOST CERTAINLY CAN. HOW LONG DO YOU, TRAVIS? WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. BACK AT 7 48 . I AM NOT OPPOSED TO 39 14 STAY IN MIXED USE. I KNOW WE DON'T LIKE, UH, SPOT ZONING, BUT THAT HAS BEEN A LOT THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 15 YEARS WITH NO DEVELOPMENT ON IT. AND IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE MULTIPLE THINGS. AND I THINK MIXED USE EXACT AT LEAST 31 YEARS. I KNOW HIM 31 YEARS. I CAN HEAR DOWN THROUGH. YEAH. I, I, I WAS SPEAKING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, I KNEW, AND IT, I THINK IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE DEVELOPING PEACOCK ISLAND RIGHT THERE. I THINK, UH, MIXED USE KIND OF JUST LEAVES IT OPEN-ENDED. IT COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND I WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEBODY TO PURCHASE THAT AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT OTHER THAN SOME JUNKY SLABS. OKAY. SO, RIGHT. AND THEN ALL OF THIS OVER HERE, 38 0 3 22 18 IS OBVIOUSLY THE ADMIN BUILDING. SHOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED SINCE IT'S ADMIN BUILDING? SHOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED, UH, COMMERCIAL AND GRANTED THERE'S A, A SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILDING ON IT WILL BE FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS. ANYTHING OTHER THAN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ? YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. THIS IS KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE CHURCH. SO 2218, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE CALL IT AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL FAIR. AND THEN THE 38 0 3 ALL THE WAY DOWN, WHAT'S BELOW 2218 ON THE RIGHT. 2218. OH, THERE YOU GO. YEP. BY BY. WHAT IS THAT RIGHT OF WAY? WHERE YOU, WHERE ARE YOU SHOWING, UH, WHAT'S THE BIG SQUARE UNDERNEATH? 2218 TO THE RIGHT OF 39. RIGHT THERE. I BELIEVE THAT IS UNDEVELOPED. 9 35. OKAY. FILTER OUT. HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY GET TO IT? UH, WELL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, LOOKING OVER WHAT'S TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET WEIRD. 49 19 IS A RIGHT OF WAY. BUT LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT 46TH AND YOU LOOK AT 47TH AND PLUM RIGHT THERE, THAT CROSSES OVER THE RIGHT OF WAY INTO THESE. THEY COULD BE DEVELOPED IF THEY WANTED TO BE. YEAH. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS THIS PARCEL BEHIND IT AS WELL. DO THEY? YES, SIR. DADGUM, IT TURKEYS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WOULDN'T SELL IT. SO ALSO THIS ADJACENT ONE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THESE THREE LOTS ARE ALL SCHOOL DISTRICT. ALL THREE OF THOSE BELONG TO SCHOOL DISTRICT BY THE POND. YEAH. THEY MAY HAVE USED THIS BACK HERE FOR MITIGATION, MITIGATION, MITIGATION OR DETENTION. BUT ALL THREE OF THESE BELONG TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, HUH? YES, SIR. UH, ALL RIGHT. SO 2218 IS DEFINITELY AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL. THOSE STILL NEED TO BE ZONED AS THEY BELONG TO THE SCHOOL. YEAH. SO WE HAVE, THIS ONE IS DOWNTOWN. MM-HMM . THESE TWO ZONE IS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. NO, YOU DON'T WANT THAT. I, I'M OKAY WITH BOTH OF THOSE BEING, IN FACT, ALL THREE OF THOSE BEING CONSIDERED AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL CONSIDERING THEY BELONG TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WHAT, SO WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING THAT DOWNTOWN? UH, SO THE ADVANTAGES TO THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT, UH, IS IT IS ONE OF TWO THAT REQUIRES, UH, THESE CERTAIN BUILDING DESIGN FEATURES. UH, SO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND A MIXED USE DISTRICT, UH, EXPAND ON THAT. SO WE MAY WANNA KEEP IT DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. WHAT AM I LOOKING [01:15:01] FOR? THIS ONE? SO THESE ARE THE MIXED USE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WANTS A WALKABLE LAYOUT. HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STREET? NO, I'M TALKING DOWNTOWN. NOT NOT MIXED USE. RIGHT. THESE STANDARDS ARE APPLIED TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND THE MIXED USE. OH, I SEE. OKAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO I'M, I'M GOING TO REPEAT THE, IF GO TO THE MAP, SIR. WHERE THE HECK DID I GO? OKAY. YEAH. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE ADMIN BUILDING. I THINK THAT GOES OUT SAYING AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL AND THESE THREE LOTS RIGHT HERE THAT CURRENTLY BELONG TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THEM BEING, I, I WANNA SAY COMMERCIAL PERIOD. 'CAUSE THERE WAS TALK FOR A LONG TIME, AND KEVIN, HELP ME OUT HERE. THIS RIGHT OF WAY. THERE WAS TALK OF TURNING THAT INTO A, UM, OH, DADGUMIT WHERE THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT A TRAIL THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE BIKES OR HIKE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THERE WAS GONNA BE ACCESS TO THE WATER THROUGH THOSE AREAS. I DON'T REMEMBER. RECALL THIS CONVERSATION. I DO NOT. HMM. I DO NOT. I DO A GREEN SPACE. NO, IT, IT WAS A KIND OF A GREEN SPACE CONVERSATION ALL ALONG THAT RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT THERE. AND SO IF, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD OPEN UP LANES OF ACCESS 45, 46, 47, AND THOSE COULD BE ACCESSED. NOW AGAIN, THEY'RE OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WILL BE FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS. WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THEY COULD SELL, BUT IF THEY WERE ZONED AS COMMERCIAL, IT MIGHT IMPART THEM TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. IS THAT THE OLD RAILROAD PROPERTY? UH, THE ORIGINAL INTER INTER INTERURBAN. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE THE INTERURBAN GOES THROUGH THERE. MM-HMM . I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE BLUE BLUE BECAUSE DOWNTOWN HAS DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, WELL, IF WE DID THAT, THEN THE TRIANGLE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE BLUE ALSO. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO WHAT TRI UH, NOT THAT ONE TO THE RIGHT OF THE BLUE RIGHT HERE. OH, AT THE BOTTOM. THIS RIGHT THERE, YOU GOT URBAN TRANSITION. WELL, IT KIND OF IS IT'S TRANSITIONING FROM WHAT IS ON THERE. THE CLIPS ON THE TRUCK, UH, THERE'S ONE, UH, ONE PERSON'S HOME. SO THAT'S A GOOD REASON FOR KEEPING IT URBAN TRANSITION. 'CAUSE IT'S TRANSITIONING FROM NO, NO, NO. URBAN TRANSITION IS WHERE WE PUT MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND ALL THAT STUFF. RIGHT. IT'S WORTH NOTING A LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE FINAL READING OF ALLOWING DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT BY WRIGHT. BY WRIGHT, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO COMMERCIAL DETACHED HOMES BY WRIGHT AND PATIO HOMES, UH, REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. FAIR ENOUGH. HMM. ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY JUST LEADS ITSELF BACK INTO ALL THE OTHER THAT'S, UH, WELL, I'M STILL GOING WITH THE CONCEPT OF EVERYTHING ON WAGON ROAD, BY THE WAY. SHOULD BE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION EXCEPT FOR THE MIXED USE. OKAY. THESE ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL HOMES. THEY'RE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. OKAY. THAT'S CONSENSUS. AND THEN THAT'S STILL, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANNA DO WITH THESE THREE LOTS THAT BELONG TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? YOU, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO KEEP? WELL, SO THE TWO THAT YOU'VE INDICATED THAT, THAT, UM, SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AND THEN THE OTHER ONE DOWNTOWN. I MEAN THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY DOWNTOWN TRAVIS. HOW BIG ARE THOSE TWO, IF YOU CAN COMBINE THEM? SO ONE WITH THE BUILDING ON IT IS 8.8, ROUGHLY 4.7, I THINK FIVE ACRES. I THINK YOU GUYS SAID ORIGINALLY THAT YOU WANTED TO DO AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT I YEAH. THAT THE ADMIN BUILDING IS DEFINITELY COMMERCIAL, BUT THE QUESTION IS THE LOT SOUTH OF IT AND THE TWO LOTS TO THE EAST OF IT. THE ONES HE IS HIGHLIGHTED LEFT AND RIGHT. UM, AND AGAIN, I'M SAYING AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL, BUT DEBORAH, I DON'T [01:20:01] DISAGREE. 'CAUSE DOWNTOWN IS TO SOME DEGREE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, CORRECT? YEAH. MM-HMM . YES. UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ALL THREE OF THESE BEING IDENTIFIED AS DOWNTOWN. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK DOWNTOWN DOES ALLOW SOME DEGREE OF RESIDENTIAL AND SOME DEGREE OF COMMERCIAL ALSO. CORRECT? CORRECT. YES, SIR. AND SEEING IS, AND I KINDA LOOK AT THESE, I, I KNOW WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT TODAY, BUT THESE THREE LOTS RIGHT HERE HAVE THE POTENTIAL THEY BACK UP TO THE BAYOU. THEY COULD BE SOMETHING MM-HMM . IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A, A SMALL SCALE RESTAURANT, SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, AND IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO IT. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY ALSO BELONGS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL BE WILLING TO SELL THAT TO THE PROPER DEVELOPER AT SOME POINT. ABSOLUTELY. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ALL THREE OF THESE LOTS BEING CONSIDERED DOWNTOWN. I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S COOL. I'M GOOD. WILL. I'M AGREE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE TOOK ALL WAGON ROAD, MADE IT CONSERVATION, AND THEN WE SCROLLED TO THE EAST. PLEASE. NOW, I'M, I'M, I'M CURIOUS FOR YOU GUYS TO GIVE ME YOUR INSIGHT ON THIS. ALL OF THIS BROWN RIGHT HERE, URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU DID SAY YOU CAN PUT AN INDIVIDUAL HOME ON IT. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THE, THE BIGGEST THING TO ME ABOUT AN URBAN TRANSITION IS MULTIFAMILY HOMES. I KNOW THAT IT HAS A MIX OF A VARIETY OF OTHER ONES, BUT THE ONLY THING ON I SEE ON THE URBAN TRANSITION THAT THAT MATTERS IN THIS CASE IS THE MULTIFAMILY HOMES. MM-HMM . AND IN THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE, ESPECIALLY EVERYTHING ALONG DAKOTA, ALONG MINNESOTA, ALONG ILLINOIS, I WOULDN'T WANT ANY, THERE CAN'T BE MULTIFAMILY HOMES IN THERE. THOSE ARE ALL SMALL LOTS. THEY'RE ALL OLD, OLD HOMES. UH, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PUT DUPLEXES, QUADPLEXES, THERE'S JUST NO, NO SPACE. SO, AND THEN ALL THESE AREAS DOWN HERE, UH, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE PLUM, BASICALLY SOUTH AND WEST OF THE INTERURBAN. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONLY MULTIFAMILY HOMES I'VE LIKED IS THE TOWN HOMES THEY BUILT RIGHT THERE BY HIGHWAY THREE BRIDGE. YEAH. SO THERE ARE A FEW EXISTING DUPLEXES ON, UH, DAKOTA AND, AND THERE'S A COUPLE NEW PERMITS, A COUPLE BEING BUILT CURRENTLY. DUPLEXES. DUPLEXES. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE, UH, BECAUSE THE DUPLEX IS PERMITTED IN URBAN TRANSITION, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION BY RIGHT. BUT MULTIPLEXES, THEY HAVE TO GET PERMISSION, RIGHT? UH, SO MULTIPLEX, NO, THEY DON'T, IS ONLY PERMITTED IN URBAN TRANSITION. AND IT HAS LIMITED USE STANDARDS, BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO IT HAS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ESSENTIALLY. MM-HMM . WHAT'S THE DENSITY DEVELOP? WHAT'S THE DENSITY CONSIDERATION FOR MULTIPLEX? UH, IT VARIES BY ZONING DISTRICT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT IS FOR URBAN TRANSITION DENSITY, IT IS 15 UNITS PER ACRE FOR MULTIPLEX. GOODNESS. THAT'S A LOT. AND OVER THERE, YEAH, THAT'S NO BUENO. 15. IF, IF YOU WOULD GO BACK TO YOUR, UH, YOUR CHART YOU JUST HAD MM-HMM . THERE WE GO. UH, THAT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. IT'S YOUR STORY. 15 CARS MINIMUM 20. I'M JUST SAYING 15. THE MINIMUM FOR WHAT? SO THE MULTIPLEX IS UP TO 15 ON, ON ONE ACRE. IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT, DOES IT? WELL, THAT'S WHERE I'M ALL SCREWED UP. I GOTTA STACK THEM, I GUESS. YEAH. SO THEY'RE, THEY WOULD BE BUILDINGS OF FOUR UNITS EACH. YEAH. GO BACK TO THE CHART, SIR. ALRIGHT. UM, SO DUPLEXES ARE OKAY IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND ARE URBAN TRANSITION. CORRECT. MULTIPLEXES ARE NOT OKAY. IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. GOT IT. YEAH. WHAT DID I SAY? NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANT. THAT'S DIFFERENT ZONING. A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THAT'S OLD ZONING. THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE IN MY HEAD. I PROMISE YOU. . OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD KIND [01:25:01] OF, I THINK, UH, REINFORCE AGAIN THAT I DON'T THINK I LIKE THAT BEING URBAN TRANSITION. BUT YOU CAN STILL HAVE A DUPLEX INSTALLED IN NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CONSERVATION OR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT. NOW, UH, THE DOWNTOWN LIVE WORK, OKAY. YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE MULTIPLEXES TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS CAN'T HAVE A DUPLEX AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A DUPLEX. SO THEY CAN'T REALLY DOWNTOWN THAT AREA. I'M GONNA GO ON A LIMB AND SAY KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION FOR THAT AREA. THOUGHTS WHERE BASICALLY ALL OF THIS URBAN TRANSITION RIGHT HERE, THE THOUGHTS ARE MAYBE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE AS YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH CONFORMITY OF THE AVERAGE BLOCK FACE OF THOSE LOTS FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO IN, IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM NEVADA ALL THE WAY TO THE, UH, INTERURBAN RIGHT THERE GOING FROM 45TH DOWN TO, UH, ILLINOIS. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THOSE, THAT'S AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME LOTS, BUT THAT FALLS IN THE CATEGORY OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YEAH. ONE BURNS DOWN. THEY GOT A, SO SOMEBODY COMES IN LIKE SAY BURNS DOWN AND THEY SELL THE LOT, SOME LARGER LIGHTS. YEAH, WE HAVE SOME SMALLER LIGHTS. YEAH. THEY'LL HAVE TO CONFORM. YEAH. BUT I'M, I'M SAYING IT'S STILL YEAH, BUT IT'S STILL CONFORMING TO THE, THE NATURE OF THAT SUBDIVISION. THAT'S, THAT'S AN OLD SUBDIVISION. THERE'S GOOD PARTS OF IT. THERE'S BAD PARTS OF IT, GRANTED, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF HISTORICAL HOUSES DOWN IN THERE ACTUALLY BUILT FROM PROBABLY CLOSE TO A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. NOW THINK ABOUT IT. SUGGESTING THAT THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL GIVES YOU MORE LATITUDE. YEAH, EXACTLY. I THINK YOU HAVE YES, IT DOES. GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS THE ONE THAT HAS SET, UH, PROPERTY STANDARDS. SO IF, IF THEY WERE TO REPL A PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED AS GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, UH, THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET. SO THESE WOULD ALL BE INFILL DEVELOPMENTS. UH, SO IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE A 40 FOOT LOT. IF IT'S A DETACHED ZONE, IT'D BE REQUIRED TO BE A DUPLEX, A 50 FOOT WIDE LOT IF IT WAS FOR A DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT. THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENTS. THESE ARE MINIMUM, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. YES, SIR. YEAH. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU GO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, THEN YOU HAVE TO GET, YOU'RE TYING HANDS. YEAH. YOU GET THE, YOU GET AVERAGES. YEAH. THE AVERAGE AND STUFF. AND, AND GO BACK TO THE PICTURE PLEASE. THE MAP AGAIN, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, CONFORMITY, THEN THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE NEIGHBOR TO HAVE GENERAL, PARDON ME? TO HAVE, UM, YEAH. WHAT IT IS, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YEAH. IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE GENERAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL WHEN IT'S LIKE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE IF YOU WANNA DEVELOP OR, OR SUBDIVIDE OR DO ALL, AND THERE'S JUST NOT UNIFORMITY THERE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL ALONG DAKOTA, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ILLINOIS. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND ALL THE WAY UP TO NEVADA. MM-HMM . I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING, BUT I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT URBAN TRANSITION. I AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. YEAH. MY, MY POINT BEING IN THAT, THAT SQUARE RIGHT THERE AGAIN, UH, FROM INTERURBAN TO NEVADA IS THE FACT THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR ENTIRE CITY. OLDEST. I MEAN THERE, YOU DON'T REALLY GET MUCH MORE CONSERVATION BASED ON THAT, BUT EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN MORPHING AND CHANGING A LITTLE BIT OVER THE COURSE OF A HUNDRED YEARS, SOME OF THESE LOTS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, 45, 48. OKAY, WELL THAT'S A BIG LOT COMPARED TO 45, 45, 50, 45, 51. BUT YOU STILL GET THE AVERAGE OF BOTH OF THEM. YEAH. BUT YOU GO IN HERE, SEE, UH, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE BIG ONES. SO YOU GO IN HERE AND YOU WANNA DEVELOP PART OF IT. UM, SO YOU THEN YOU THEN ARE RESTRICTED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE AVERAGE OF, UM, HUNDRED FEET YEAH. STUFF AND SEE, WELL, AND THAT, BUT THAT'S MY POINT. THERE IS NO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, NO DEVELOPMENT IN THAT, THAT PORTION RIGHT THERE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, THESE ARE ALL, WELL, NOT, NOT NOW, BUT I MEAN, THERE COULD BE, SEE, NO, I MEAN, THERE'S HOUSES ALREADY THERE THAT THAT WHOLE PLACE HAS ALREADY DEVELOPED. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THAT SUBDIVISION NOW EVERYTHING TO THE WEST OF EVERYTHING TO THE WEST [01:30:01] OF INTERURBAN. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION. EVERYTHING EAST OF ILLINOIS, THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION. BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT FROM NEVADA TO THE INTERURBAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY ESTABLISHED SUBDIVISION AND HAS BEEN FOR DECADES. THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD TO SOME DEGREE, MAINTAIN IT. JUST GO BACK TO THE CONVERSATION OF, UH, PRESERVING USE BY, RIGHT. THAT'S HOW WE JUSTIFIED THE CONVERSATION EARLIER, FROM MOVING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IN THAT OTHER AREA. SO WE, I THINK WE DID THE OPPOSITE EARLIER. WE WENT FROM GENERAL RESIDENTIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. WE BACKED OFF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. WE YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. MM-HMM . WE'LL GO SHOW IT THE MAP AGAIN, AND LET'S JUST TALK IT FOR A SECOND. OKAY. NOW I CAN SEE YOUR POINT. IF YOU GO NEVADA, DAKOTA, ALL THE WAY DOWN, UM, ILLINOIS AND THEN, AND THEN OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, MAKE THAT, UM, GENERAL, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH THE LARGER PIECES OF PROPERTY EAST TO THE RIGHT OF ILLINOIS TO THE LEFT, TO THE LEFT OF ILLINOIS. LIKE LAKE HA, LAKE LAKE AND HEATH LAKE AND HEATH, THOSE, THOSE AREAS. YEAH. EVERY, THE INTERURBAN IS THE, THE BROWN BAND DOWN THE MIDDLE. EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THAT I THINK SHOULD EITHER BE DOWNTOWN OR GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, WHAT YOU CALL IT, INTERURBAN, THIS STRIP RIGHT HERE. YEP. THE ONE THAT GOES THE, THE BAND THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP, THE 45 DEGREES. WHAT THIS WHOLE THING IS THE INTERURBAN, THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT OF WAY. I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS PART RIGHT HERE. EVERYTHING OVER HERE. I RECOMMEND THAT WE PROBABLY TURN THAT EITHER TO DOWNTOWN OR GENERAL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING CONSISTENT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING. AND I SAY THE SAME WITH THE WHOLE SHOOTING MATCH TO THE RIGHT TOO. BUT THE THING I'M, COME ON AND AGAIN, GUYS, I GOT YOU NOT, I'M DYING ON. I GOT NO, I GOT YOU. I, I AGREE WITH THAT PART RIGHT THERE. IF YOU WANNA KEEP THAT LITTLE YEAH. SLIVER, BUT GET IT OUT OF THE URBAN TRANSITION DEAL. YEAH. BUT THAT, THAT ONE SLIVER THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN THE BE AND THE INNER URBAN, TO ME IT'S JUST SUCH A DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAS BEEN I GOT YOU FOREVER. I GOT, I DON'T LIKE THIS. HOLD ON. SO WEST OF INTERURBAN YOU THINK SHOULD BE DOWNTOWN AND EASTERN INTERURBAN SHOULD BE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I RECOMMEND. AND I'M, I'M WIDE OPEN GUYS. TOTALLY NOT A HILL TO DIE ON, ON MY PART. THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. UM, I MEAN, SO THIS AREA DOWN HERE BY THE BAYOU IS, IS MOSTLY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. I THOUGHT SO. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO YOU DON'T WANNA REALLY PUT THAT AS WELL, BUT AGAIN, IT, IT IS, AND THOSE ARE SOME LARGE LOTS. AND IF THEY WANTED TO SELL, I MEAN, IN FACT, THERE'S ONE DOWN OFF OF PLUM THAT WAS BASICALLY AN ABANDONED HOME FOR 15 YEARS, AND THEN SOMEBODY REDEVELOPED. IT DID GREAT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT IT WAS, IT WAS JUNK FOR 15 YEARS. AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE LOTS, THESE ARE BIG LOTS. AND THIS IS, THAT'S A VERY STRANGE PART OF OUR CITY, BY THE WAY. IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN DOWN IN THERE MM-HMM . THAT'S PLUM STREET. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY A STREET ANYMORE. IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF A DIRT TRAIL. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY, I SEE THAT AS DOWNTOWN. I, I DON'T SEE THAT AS DOWNTOWN. I I YOU THINKING ANY MORE? UH, GENERAL CONSTRUCT. UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT. IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT RESTAURANTS AND THINGS ALONG THE BAYOU. THERE IS THAT TOO. BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN DOWNTOWN THOUGH, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. AND SEE YOU HAVE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE. HOW ABOUT A HOTEL? WELL, AGAIN, HOW MUCH SPARE LAND IS THERE? WE GOT SOME BIG LOTS THERE. OH, THERE ARE SOME BIG LOTS. YEAH. ARE THERE, HOW, HOW? WELL, THERE'S LIKE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST LOTS IS YOU CAN'T BUILD ON ACCORDING TO ALL THE BEST LOTS YOU CAN'T BUILD ON EITHER, APPARENTLY. BUT, UH, NO. UM, I, I, I, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, PHIL AND I, I LIKE, I SEE THIS AS A GRAND OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS AS GOOD OF A LOCATION AS WE COULD GET FOR SOME BAYOU FRONTAGE THAT COULD BE COMMERCIAL. MM-HMM . BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE INTERURBAN THAT BLOCKS OFF EVERYBODY. NOBODY'S GONNA BE HASSLED BY THIS. THE PEOPLE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING TOO. THAT'S, IN FACT, THAT'S A, A VERY KINDA LONELY SECTION THERE TOO. WHO, WHAT ARE, ARE THERE HOUSES ON THESE? OKAY, THOSE HOUSES THERE, [01:35:03] TRAVIS? YES MA'AM. ARE THERE HOUSES, UH, BELOW 47, 18? ALL OF THOSE LOTS OVER THERE. ARE THERE HOUSES THERE? NO. IN THIS AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. NO, STAY. GO LEFT . THEY'RE RIGHT THERE AND DOWN. ARE THERE HOUSES THERE? UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. UH, I CAN, I CAN DO A SATELLITE VIEW IF ONE OF THESE AREAS IS WHAT, UH, BOB, UM, WHAT'S HIS NAME SAID CAN'T. YOU CAN BUY, BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT. YEAH. AND KEEP IN MIND, A LOT OF THIS AREA RIGHT HERE FALLS IN THE CATEGORY OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS, UH, WETLANDS. YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THIS STUFF IS UNDERWATER MOST OF THE TIME. YEAH. SO WE HAVE THAT AND WE HAVE UH, THE FLOODWAY. SO THIS RED AREA IS WHAT FEMA DEFINES AS A FLOODWAY. MM-HMM . AND IT'S NOT ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED. UH, BUT IT ONLY LOOKS LIKE IT ENCROACHES A LITTLE BIT ON THESE YEAH. PROPERTIES. SO THESE ARE OPEN LOTS RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . WELL THEN YOU SHOULD, WE SHOULD MAKE THEM SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS FOR WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE. MAYBE. SEE DOES MIXED USE ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES? UH, NOT SINGLE FAMILY. OH, OKAY. THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. THEN THERE'S MIXED USE. IT ALLOWS FOR URBAN TRANSITION DOES. SO IF YOU PUT THAT THERE, RIGHT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BEST USE OF IT. YEAH. 20 MINUTES LATER WE GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS WHEN WE STARTED . NO, BUT I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT IT IS OR WHAT THEY'VE SAID IT IS? LEMME SEE. GO BACK. . OH YEAH. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. MM-HMM . OKAY. WELL THAT MAKES SENSE. . UH, SO WHAT I WAS SCROLLING THROUGH IS THE ALLOWED, SAY, COMMERCIAL USES IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT, JUST SEEING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING ON THE BAYOU THERE, UH, THEY COULD DO A BAR WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL, BED AND BREAKFAST GOLF COURSE. UH, DOES HAVE SOME RESTAURANT USES THAT ARE PERMITTED, UH, WITH CITY COUNCIL PERMISSION. MM-HMM . SUPER. THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT NEEDS TO STAY. I'M INCLINED TO AGREE. YEAH. AND YOU CAN'T HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON IT NOW. CORRECT. OKAY. I KNEW WE'D GET BACK TO THE CIRCLE EVENTUALLY. OKAY. , MAY I BE EXCUSED? . GOODNIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO TO, COULD WE GO WITH YOU , TO GO BACK TO THIS TO, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH, UH, NEVADA TO THE URBAN TR UH, INTERURBAN BEING NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND THE REST OF IT STAYING URBAN TRANSITION? YES. YES. THAT'S EVERYTHING WEST OF THE URBAN OF THE, UH, INTERURBAN. INTERURBAN. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN EVERYTHING EAST OF ILLINOIS THAT'S CURRENTLY URBAN TRANSITION, STAYING URBAN TRANSITION. OKAY. AND THEN WE TAKE THE, UH, DAKOTA, NEVADA, AND URBAN INTERURBAN AND TURN THOSE INTO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SCROLL UP SIR. I THINK WE WERE OKAY. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT STUFF? STAYING DOWNTOWN? MM-HMM . YES. OKAY. YEP. AND THEN GO HIGHER, SIR. SCROLL OUT, I RECKON. OKAY. SCROLL OUT. ROLL AROUND A LITTLE MORE. ALL RIGHT. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON HOLLY RIGHT THERE AT HIGHWAY THREE AND JUST SOUTH OF IT. THOSE ARE, SO YOU GOT HOLLYWOOD RIGHT HERE. THERE'S A COUPLE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES MM-HMM . THIS AREA. I THINK THESE ARE ALL HOUSES BEHIND IT AS WELL. THERE WE GO. YEAH, YOU GOT THE WATER TOWER AND THEN THEY ARE ALL ALONG [01:40:01] HOLLYWOOD. THOSE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL NORTH OF HOLLYWOOD TO HOLLY. THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL OTHER THAN, UH, UH, 26 0 5 AND 37 20. THOSE BELONG TO THE WATER DISTRICT. AND THEN, HMM. YEAH, THAT'S ALL THE SAME. ALL THE SAME. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? IT IS, YEAH. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. EVERYTHING DRY? YEP. KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS. UH, ZOOM BACK OUT, SIR. OKAY. UH, IS THAT THE DICKINSON TRANSPORTATION CENTER OVER THERE? UH, NICHOLS. YEAH. RIGHT THERE. I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT. YEP. CORRECT. SAME WITH THIS. INCLINED TO MAKE THOSE FRICKING, UH, COMMERCIAL. COMMERCIAL. MM-HMM . MAKES SENSE. THEN WHAT DO WE GOT UP THERE? YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY THREE NOW? YES, SIR. I JUST JUMPED OVER HIGHWAY THREE A LITTLE BIT. YOU WOULD'VE, MAYBE WE SHOULD FINISH ALL THE WEST SIDE OF HIGHWAY THREE. YEAH. GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY. OKAY. UH, ZOOM OUT THAT ORANGE. THIS ONE? YEAH, THIS WAS ON TIMBER. WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE. YEAH, WE KILLED THAT ALREADY. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S THE, UH, WCID, THAT'S THEIR BUILDING. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT EIGHT 30 THAT WE CALL IT IN. YEAH. SO THAT WE'RE NOT DYING FATIGUED. WHY WE DO THIS? 'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT ALL COMMERCIAL GOING ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGHWAY THREE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CITY LIMITS. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. VERY GOOD. SO WE'RE FINISHED WITH EVERYTHING WEST OF HIGHWAY THREE. ALL RIGHT. ZOOM BACK OUT, SIR. I THINK SO QUITE A BIT. LET'S SEE, DOWNTOWN FIVE 17. WE ALREADY DID SOUTH OF IT. I'M INCLINED TO AGREE THAT, UH, WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED EVERYTHING TO HIGHWAY THREE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? OKAY, THAT BEING SAID, IT IS 8 21. WHAT IS [7. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING ON THIS? OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, SECOND TUESDAY OF NEXT MONTH WOULD FALL ON THE FEBRUARY 10TH. UH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS THAT I WILL BE TAKING TO THAT MEETING, UH, THAT I KNOW OF AT THIS TIME. SO, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO A DISCUSSION AFTER THOSE TWO ITEMS. OKAY. AND, UH, FEBRUARY 10TH IS OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. IF, IF WE ALL WANTED TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE 17TH, WAS IT? IT'S 17TH, ISN'T IT? NO, THE SECOND TUESDAY IS THE 10TH. YEAH, WE ALWAYS MEET ON SECOND TUESDAY. AM I WRONG? IS IT THIRD TUESDAY TODAY? UH, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO ANOTHER WORKSHOP, BUT I DEFER TO YOU GUYS. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT OFFICIAL. POSSIBLY. YEAH. OR, UH, YEAH. OH, THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE I DID. I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO. THE THIRD, THE 17TH WOULD BE OUR NEXT. I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. YES, SIR. YOU GUYS GOT ME SCREWED UP THERE. SIX WAS, UH, WHAT'S THROWING US OFF SPECIAL. WE COULD GO, WE [01:45:01] COULD GO THE, THE 10TH FOR ONE OF THESE. THE SECOND AND FOURTH TWO IS CITY COUNCIL MEETING, CORRECT? AROUND, HUH? RIGHT. SO FEBRUARY 17TH IS OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. UH, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN A TUESDAY. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A WEDNESDAY EITHER. SOUNDS GOOD. THE 11TH, THAT WORK FEBRUARY 11TH? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING. IT'S GOOD FOR ME. YEAH. TRAVIS THAT WORK WITH YOU? YEAH. FEBRUARY 11TH WE'RE TALKING, UH, WORKSHOP ONLY, CORRECT? RIGHT? CORRECT. DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU, WILL MM-HMM . YEAH. 17TH IS, UH, ACTUAL MEETING. YEAH. SIX 30 SAME TIME, CORRECT? YEP. SAME BAD TIME? SAME BAD. PLEASE. THAT WOULD BE SIX OR SIX 30. SIX 30. SIX 30. WELL, WHAT TIME WAS THIS? SIX? 30. 30? YEAH. . IT'S BEEN SO LONG AGO. . OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS 8 23. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN, SO MOVE A SECOND. IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.