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OKAY.[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
ALL RIGHT.UH, CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF QUORUM.
WE'RE GONNA START AT 6 48, PLEASE.
MS. DEBORAH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THE INVOCATION? SURE.
AND MARJORIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAVE THE, UH, SURE.
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST PRAISE YOUR NAME TODAY AND THANK YOU THAT WE'RE HERE AND THAT WE CAN, UH, ALL MEET TOGETHER IN OUR, UH, COMMUNITY.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU, UH, BLESS US AND DIRECT US, UH, AS WE MAKE IMPORTANT CHOICES FOR OUR PLANNING AND OUR ZONING AND OUR, UM, DICKENSON COMMUNITY.
AND WE ASK, UM, THAT YOU KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THOSE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT PROTECT US TO DO SO.
IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME, WE ASK.
TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I, WELL HONOR, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.
TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE.
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MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, NEW BUSINESS DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAP.SO BEFORE WE START, IS IT OKAY THAT I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
SO THE DESIGNATOR URBAN TRANSITION MM-HMM
THAT'S BEEN A BOOGER BEAR FOR US HERE.
AS FAR AS WHAT THAT DESIGNATES, AND I LOOKED AT THE, THIS IS REALLY LOUD.
I LOOKED AT THE, UH, UH, PLACES LIKE WEBSTER AND LEAGUE CITY, AND THAT'S NOT A COMMON DESIGNATOR.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT IN THEIR, IN THEIRS, AND NEITHER DOES TEXAS CITY.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M, I JUST DON'T WANT OUR COMMUNITY BY JUST THAT, JUST THAT DESIGNATOR TO BE CONFUSED.
UM, AND SO I KNOW WHAT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO PUT LOTS OF THINGS UNDER THAT.
'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, ALL THE ITEMS IT, IT HAS MM-HMM
QUITE A FEW THINGS UNDER URBAN TRANSITION.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I, I REALLY DON'T WANT US TO CONFUSE PEOPLE.
AND, UH, TRAVIS, YOU CAN CORRECT ME OF ANY POINT ON THIS.
UM, WE DID DISCUSS THE URBAN TRANSITION AND, AND IT WAS A VERY POPULAR USAGE OF ZONING PREVIOUSLY.
AND I THINK KIND OF THE GOALS THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARD IS TO BACK OFF OF IT QUITE A BIT.
UH, WE DID IDENTIFY, UH, AN IMPORTANT POINT ON IT IS IF TRAVIS HELP ME OUT, THE TERMINOLOGY, A HOUSE THAT'S BASICALLY ON THE RIGHT, UH, ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S CALLED A PATIO HOME.
WE DID ACTUALLY RUN INTO ONE OF THOSE LAST NIGHT, OR ON TUESDAY NIGHT.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, THAT'S A PATIO HOME.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY URBAN TRANSITION IN THAT REGARD.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY.
I'M, I'M NOT SPEAKING REALLY ABOUT THAT.
I'M SPEAKING MORE OF THE TERM ITSELF.
IF IT, IT'S, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT PARTICULAR TERM.
THE PLACES THAT I LOOKED AT THAT SURROUND US DON'T USE THAT TERM.
SO TRANSITIONAL DISTRICTS ARE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY COMMON IN THE PLANNING WORLD.
UH, AND, AND AS WELL AS URBAN DISTRICTS.
I GUESS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR EXAMPLES OF THEM BEING COMBINED, UH, I, I DON'T HAVE 'EM ON HAND, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY NECESSARILY CONFLICT.
I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT IS THE CONCERN WITH THE, WITH THE TERM, IF I'M, IF I'M COMING TO BUILD IN OUR AREA, YOU KNOW,
IT SOUNDS A LITTLE CONFLICTING.
BUT I THINK WE'VE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEAT IT TO DEATH ABOUT 800 DIFFERENT WAYS.
IT'S LIKE A MIXED, AND WHEN I SAY THAT, NOT TO DIMINISH YOUR POINT, BUT IT'S YEAH, MIXED.
AND THAT I UNDERSTAND AND I THINK MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
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YEAH.BUT THEY JUST, BUT THE UDC, THEY SEEM TO CALL A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE USED TO HAVE DIFFERENT NAMES.
ULTIMATELY, I THINK, AND AGAIN TRAVIS FEEL FREE, AND JOHN FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME.
UH, BASICALLY UNDERSTANDING ITS BIGGEST VALUE IS THE FACT THAT, UM, IN THESE AREAS IS MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND ALSO KIND OF PATIO HOMES IS KIND OF THE BIGGEST UNIQUE IDENTIFIER OF THAT ZONING.
TRAVIS, WOULD YOU AGREE? WELL, LOOK AT GENERAL COMMERCIAL CAN BE IN THAT TOO.
YES, IT CAN SEE THAT, THAT'S ALSO WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHAT THEY WERE, I THINK WHAT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE MOST USE OUT OF THOSE AREAS.
LIKE HAVING, HAVING BUSINESSES KIND OF LIKE WHAT THEY DO IN HOUSTON, HAVING BUSINESSES DOWN OR EVEN ON GALVES IN THE SEA WALL.
HAVING BUSINESSES DOWN IN APARTMENTS ABOVE THE, CORRECT.
BUT WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED WHERE THE, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN DICKINSON THAT THAT'S A PROMINENT EVENT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
I RECOGNIZ THE VALUE OF IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT HERE IN DICKINSON.
AND KIND OF WHAT WE WERE KIND OF ZONING ON, I THINK LAST ON TUESDAY, RECOGNIZE THE URBAN TRANSITION DOES HAVE THAT, BUT WE'RE DRILLING IT DOWN A LITTLE TIGHTER OR THAT'S GREAT.
BUT BOTTOM LINE, IF IT'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL, IT'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
IF IT'S SMALL COMMERCIAL, IT'S SMALL COMMERCIAL.
THE URBAN TRANSITION, WHILE IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT, UH, FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PLAUSIBLE VALUE OF IT.
BUT, UH, FOR WHAT WE'VE BEEN KIND OF FOCUSING ON, I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S THERE, THAT'S, AND, AND LIKE MARGE SAID, OR MIXED USE MAKES MORE SENSE IF YOU GOT ALL THAT IN THERE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM
TUESDAY WE CHANGED I THINK A WHOLE BUNCH OF POLICE SPOTS THAT WERE URBAN THAT HAD BEEN TRADI OR ORIGINALLY MM-HMM.
I THINK IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, URBAN TRANSITION IS A, A VERY NAILING JELLO TO THE WALL KIND OF STATEMENT.
AND I THINK WE DID A, A BETTER JOB OF GOING NO, THAT, THAT AREA RIGHT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT.
THAT AREA RIGHT THERE IS COMMERCIAL.
I, AND I INDICATED THAT TO YOU WHEN I CAME IN THAT YOU GUYS DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THAT.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT DESIGNATOR, BUT I GUESS WE DO NOT.
I THINK MOST OF THAT URBAN TRANSITIONS GONNA PROBABLY GO AWAY WHEN WE WE'RE THROUGH THIS, THIS.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A COUPLE SPOTS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF NOT AS PREVALENT AS IT WAS, IT'S GONNA BE FINE.
ALRIGHT, TRAVIS, UH, YOU WANNA PUT US UP OUR, I GUESS OUR MAP MAP, RIGHT? SO WE ARE, Y'ALL HAVE THIS COPY OF THE MAP.
UH, SORRY, THIS IS THE, WENT TO THE WRONG ONE.
IF YOU, AND BY THE WAY, LADIES, IF I MAY, UH, I THINK YOU LISTENED IN ON THE OTHER DAY.
AND FORGIVE ME ON A MULTITUDE OF POINTS OF CONVERSATION, I MADE THE STATEMENT OF SAYING I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
ANYBODY DISAGREES OR, OR I'M WIDE OPEN.
IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A WAY TO MAKE IT FLOW A LITTLE BETTER.
LISTEN, I THOUGHT I PUT PAPER DOWN SOMEWHERE.
GIVE US ONE SECOND TO LOAD HERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS APPROXIMATELY MIDDLE OF TOWN.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GO FROM 45 TO HIGHWAY THREE.
UH, SO WE DID KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS CORRIDOR THE LAST TIME.
UH, LOOKS LIKE THE AREAS THAT ARE ZONED MIXED USE, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, FLIPPING THEM TO AUTOCENTRIC.
UH, SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GONNA HAVE AUTOCENTRIC THAT BORDERS 45 ON THIS ENTIRE SIDE.
IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL RECOLLECT AS WELL? I CONCUR.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO FOCUS ON THAT SQUARE UP THERE AT SUNSET DRIVE.
THAT IS CURRENTLY URBAN TRANSITION.
WHAT IS THAT? AND IS THERE A, SO THAT IS THESE TOWN HOMES, UH, ON THE END OF SUNSET.
AH, SO I KNEW EXACTLY WHEN I'VE SEEN THOSE.
SO THEY WOULD FIT, I KNOW THAT URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT QUITE WELL.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE AGREED THAT THE URBAN TRANSITION IS BASICALLY WHAT WE USED TO CALL, UM,
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MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.RIGHT? THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS SAYING IT DOES HAVE A VALUE.
UH, BY THE WAY, TRAVIS, EXCUSE ME.
WHAT'S THE, UH, THE WIFI FOR GUEST? THE PASSWORD? YEAH.
I THINK
UM, YOU GUYS DID WE, I I FORGET WHAT THEY DID LAST NIGHT.
WHAT IS, WHY IS THIS, THAT'S NOT YOURS, HUH? WHY IS THIS DOUBLE ZONE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT TO.
WE ARE BATTING A THOUSAND TONIGHT.
WHAT IS TR WHERE IS THAT TRANSITION HERE? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT IS.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO, UM, A DOWNTOWN AND, UH, IN THE I 45 5 17.
I BELIEVE SECOND I 45 AND, AND T AND THEN FIVE 17.
THIS ONE HERE, IT'S KIND OF AN OVERLAY.
IT IT IS AN OVERLAY, CORRECT? MM-HMM
UM, WHAT ABOUT ON DEETS DIETS? AND IS THAT SPRUCE? NO, LOBE.
UH, IT'S ALL URBAN TALKING ABOUT 4 0 1 DATES AND LO UH, LOBIT.
THIS IS ALL THAT, THAT IS ALSO URBAN TRANSITION.
WHAT IS THAT? OH, THAT, THAT'S, THESE ARE HOUSES RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE.
OH, RIGHT HERE IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING 34 0 2.
THOSE ARE, THOSE SHOULD ALL BE YELLOW NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND MAN, I WISH I COULD GET MY MAP TO WORK.
WHAT'S OKAY GOING UP THEN? 31 12.
WHAT IS THAT? SO THESE ARE APARTMENTS.
THIS IS ALSO AN EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THEN THESE OTHER ARE INDIVIDUAL HOMES.
I BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, WCID UTILITIES.
SO BY THE WAY, TRAVIS MM-HMM
TO BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT THEY FALL ON THE ZONING MAP, BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ARE NOT EVER GONNA BE ZONED.
KIND OF LIKE, WHAT DO YOU PUT A CEMETERY? URBAN TRANSITIONAL
THERE'S MULTI PEOPLE FOR SURE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A CEMETERY OVER BY HIGHWAY THREE.
UH, THERE'S MULTIPLE WCID UH, ONE PUMP STATIONS.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, I WON'T SAY A LOT, BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE ZONES IN THIS, UH, THIS AREA WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE CITY, MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTIES IN ONE FORM OR FASHION, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY NEED TO BE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ZONING MAP.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE, WAS THERE SOME DESIGNATOR WE COULD HAVE THAT'S NOT ZONED FOR AN OBVIOUS REASON? I MEAN, WE COULD CREATE ONE.
WE DON'T HAVE ONE AT THIS TIME.
UH, I'M STILL, I I'M NOT SURE OF THE, OF THE PURPOSE OF A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE, UH, UTILITIES ARE PERMITTED IN PRETTY MUCH ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, UH, SO LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO DEVELOP A NEW SITE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A SEWER TREATMENT PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE ZONING WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT IT ALREADY.
UH, I GUESS, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP TO AUTOMATICALLY FILTER THAT STUFF OUT OR AREAS THAT ARE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, OFF LIMITS? WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE AND NOT, AND NOT IT, IT'S NOT THE CEMETERY, BUT, UM,
ON THE, BUT THAT'S IN RESERVE.
SO WHAT'S OH, BECAUSE IT'S A RESERVE, RESERVE.
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IT ON THIS, IS IT THAT PROPERTY ON FIVE 17 MM-HMMLET'S SEE THAT IT IS, UM, IT'S, IT'S ZONE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO I MEAN, SHOULD WE HAVE A DESIGNATOR SAYING, UM, CONSERVATION OR, UM, NO, IT'S STILL RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE IS THIS THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, I MEAN IT'S, HE SAYS YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT.
HE SAYS YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT.
WELL, BUT STILL, IF LATER ON THERE'S A FIRE OR A FLOOD, THAT MAKES IT NO LONGER BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PROTECTING WILDLIFE.
BUT IF THAT ALL GOES AWAY WITH THE FLOOD OF FIRE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BUILD ON IT.
AM I WRONG? IF SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENED TO THIS? YEAH.
LIKE A TORNADO CAME THROUGH AND BLEW IT THROUGH AND YOU SAY IT NO LONGER HAS A BALD EAGLE ON IT BECAUSE A TORNADO WIPED IT ALL OUT.
SO YOU WANNA KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND IT COULD GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
RIGHT NOW NOBODY CAN BUILD ON IT ANYWAY.
BUT IF A TORNADO WIPED IT OUT, IT'S NO LONGER YOU CAN ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO MM-HMM
CHANGE IT IF YOU ARE THEIR PROPERTY OWNER.
WOULD A, OKAY, SO WE'LL GO AWAY FROM THAT.
WOULD A UM, CEMETERY BE A SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL? THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
I GOTTA, I GOTTA BE HONEST THAT I HAVE NOT LOOKED WHERE A CEMETERY IS PERMITTED.
IF I COULD SMELL IT CORRECTLY RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
PUBLIC AND CIVIC USES, THERE IT IS.
SO THERE IS A USE CATEGORY FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACES, JUST NOT A SPECIFIC ZONE ZONING.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THAT PROPERTY.
DOES THAT DESIGNATION HAVE A COLOR ASSIGNED TO IT? NO, NOT SPECIFICALLY.
YEAH, IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL ZONING, IT'S JUST A USE IN THE ZONING.
SO LIKE PAUL, SO IT WOULD, WOULD BE FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
AND SO HERE, UH, IS THAT CATEGORY PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.
AND SO IT ONLY CALLS OUT ONE SPECIFICALLY THE RV PARK.
AND SO IT HAS LIMITED USE PERMIT PERMITTED AND AUTOCENTRIC.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT TABLE THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND YOU KIND OF POINTED OUT, UH, ALL UTILITIES MEET THAT SAME CRITERIA.
SO MINOR UTILITIES ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AND MAJOR UTILITIES, UH, REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.
SO MEANWHILE I'M BACK AT THE RANCH ON THE MAP, SO LET'S, UH, ALRIGHT.
WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT, UH, URBAN TRANSITION UP THERE BY SUNSET.
AND THEN ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BE AUTOCENTRIC.
YOU SAID THESE ARE GOING TO BE BACK YELLOW? YEAH.
ON LO THESE INDIVIDUAL HOMES RIGHT THERE? YES, YES, YES.
I'M GONNA CHANGE IT ON THE MAP.
I CAN'T CHANGE IT REAL TIME, BUT
UH, TO ZONE OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, THE URBAN TRANSITION TO THE WEST OF THE, UH, APARTMENTS.
WHAT IS THAT? IT'S, IT'S THE POOL, THE WIFI AND THE, THAT HOUSE THAT I GOT TORE DOWN? NO, THAT'S THE POOL'S OVER HERE.
IT'S A, I BELIEVE THIS IS JUST VACANT DARK AREA
STREET VIEW WIFI IS NOT MY FRIEND RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS A VACANT PROPERTY? OH YEAH.
I BELIEVE, UH, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE OWNER, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, A CHURCH OWNS THIS PROPERTY.
BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG TO THE WEST OF THAT, ARE THESE NOT, UH, INDIVIDUAL HOMES THERE? YEAH, THIS IS THOSE APARTMENTS.
UH, THIS IS, THAT'S CREEKSIDE CREEKSIDE, CORRECT? ISN'T THAT CREEKSIDE? YES, SIR.
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THAT AS MIXED USE.ALL THESE, WELL, NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ONE YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, YEAH, THIS ONE IS, IS UNDEVELOPED AND OWNED BY NEW VISION BAPTIST CHURCH.
THEY, THEY HAVE COME, UH, TO OUR DEPARTMENT OF, YOU KNOW, ONCE EVERY YEAR OR SO SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A CHURCH THERE IN THE FUTURE.
OB OBVIOUSLY NOTHING'S COME TO FRUITION, BUT, OKAY.
SO BACK HERE BY SPRUCE AND WHAT ARE THOSE? DAMN DANG PIECE OF CRAP BY SPRUCE.
THERE WAS A HOUSE THERE THAT IS NOW REMOVED.
THIS I BELIEVE IS THE CIVIC POOL.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I WAS, CORRECT.
I BELIEVE NEXT TO THAT IS A COUPLE HOUSES.
THEY HAVE THE WIG MAY BE WRONG.
YEAH, THERE WAS, THAT'S UNDEVELOPED.
AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO COMMERCIAL.
THAT ONE, THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S YOU'RE ON RIGHT NOW.
ORIGINALLY, OR A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY WANTED TO BUILD A HO OR A MOTEL IN THERE.
AND THE MAYOR AT THE TIME DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA.
MY, THEY WANTED A ONE, A MOTEL HOTEL.
MOTEL WASN'T A MOTEL, NOT A HOTEL.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.
THE, SO MIXED USE, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE ALLOWED USES AND MIXED USE, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY GROUP A GO UP, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, DO WE AGREE THAT THAT SHOULD BE KEPT COMMERCIAL OR SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL? YES.
I MEAN THAT'S, IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL AROUND IT.
WHAT'S MIXED USE? DID YOU GO TO IT? YEAH, HE'S GOT THEIR, THIS IS A COLUMN, BOTTOM LINE PEOPLE CAN PUT, UH, MULTIFAMILIES IN THERE.
NO, THOSE, THOSE ARE NOT PERMITTED AND MIXED USE.
UTILITIES, BAR, R GYMS, AMPHITHEATER.
SO WE DO BED AND BREAKFAST, SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE A HOTEL WOULD FIT.
BOTTOM LINE, THE MIXED USE IS A COMBINATION OF YOU CAN HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL IN THERE.
IS WHAT IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO.
AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT, ISN'T IT? I'M NOT REALLY OPPOSED TO THAT.
OPPOSED TO WHAT? UH, KEEPING GO TO THE MAP, SIR.
UH, THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE, JOHN, SEEING AS THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL, UH, WELL THIS IS ALL MULTIFAMILY BEING THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX NOW.
URBAN TRANSITION OR MIXED USE, SAME SOUP, DIFFERENT CAN TO A DEGREE.
THIS WHOLE ENTIRE AREA IS, AGAIN, IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
YOU COULD PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THERE OR YOU COULD PUT A, A BUSINESS MM-HMM
AND SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING NORTH OF TANGLE TANGLEWOOD, NO QUESTION.
AND THEN GOING DOWN HERE BELOW TANGLEWOOD TO FIVE 17, I AM INCLINED TO DISAGREE WITH THAT A FAIR BIT.
UH, WHAT IS 3 0 4? THAT'S, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS IS, UH, NO, FIVE 15 IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, ISN'T IT? FIVE 15 IS APARTMENTS.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS 3 0 4 IS KIND OF A, A BUSINESS PARK, UH, KIND OF DEVELOPMENT I BELIEVE.
AND THEN WHAT'S FOUR 17 I BELIEVE? UNDEVELOPED.
AND 5 0 1 THE SAME THING OR? NO, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.
I BELIEVE THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
IT WAS SUBSTANDARD SHED OF SOME KIND.
SO TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, FIVE 15 IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
SO THEREFORE IT SHOULD STAY MIXED USE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT OR URBAN TRANSITION EITHER OR, BUT I FEEL LIKE 5 4 17
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WEST DIS SPRUCE, I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD ALL BE COMMERCIAL.AND THAT IS WHAT THE BUSINESSES ARE.
3 0 4, 3 0 1, 2 45, 2 45, UH, BETWEEN CHURCHES AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.
I'M NOT, AND THIS IS PURELY JUST AN OPINION.
WHAT'S 35 POINT BECOMING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAN I AM OF IT BECOMING MORE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS RIGHT OFF OF FIVE 17.
THE FIVE 15 IS THERE HAS BEEN NOT GONNA CHANGE, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK, I WOULD NOT WANT TO RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL RENTAL PROPERTIES.
AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT FOUR 17, RIGHT? MM-HMM
FOUR 17 ALL THE WAY TO SPRUCE.
THAT'S CURRENTLY ON FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
UH, 5 0 1 IS THAT SHOULD BE EMPTY NOW TOO, IS WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS THAT THAT BUILDING THAT'S EMPTY.
SO MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT IS CLEARED.
I SURE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO TANGLEWOOD.
UH, SAY I HATE TO ASK THIS QUESTION, TRAVIS.
WHAT YOU GOT, UH, PULLING UP THE CIRCLE, UH, CHARTING IN THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL.
SO WHICH COMMERCIAL ARE WE TALKING AUTOCENTRIC? UH, YEAH.
'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE OUR BIG MONEY ONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UH, AS FAR AS USES, THAT PROBABLY HAS THE MOST, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THE MIXED USE DISTRICT IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IT ALLOWS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I THINK IS TO, TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND CORRECT ME, THE REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIXED USE AND AUTOCENTRIC IS BOTTOM LINE, THE THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION CAPACITY.
RIGHT? THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE HOUSEHOLD LIVING.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, THAT, THAT YEP, THEY'RE SAME.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE, THAT SHOULD STRICTLY BE COMMERCIAL.
IN FACT, THAT BEING SAID, LOOKING AT THIS, THERE IS A TON OF LIMITATIONS ON MIXED USE THAT AUTOCENTRIC DO ALLOW.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I, I ALSO KIND OF WANTED TO MIX MENTION, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING MAP FIRST, UH, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT AFTER THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE USES THAT WE WANT IN EACH ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS ARE ACTUALLY THERE.
WE DID, UH, THE FIRST MEETING WE DID A BIT.
UM, SO I, AND THAT BEING SAID, EVERY TIME WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE LEARN A LITTLE MORE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK AT THE END WHEN WE, WE GET THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP, UH, WE CAN READDRESS, BUT I AGREE.
SO BACK ON THE MAP ITSELF THOUGH, AND MAKING THE STATEMENT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AUTOCENTRIC AND UH, MIXED USE.
MIXED USE ALLOWS PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE.
AUTOCENTRIC HAS A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL CAPABILITIES THAN MIXED USE.
MIXED USE HAS A LOT OF LIMITATIONS ON, ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
AND I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT 5 0 1 WEST DE SPRUCE SHOULD BE ALL, UH, AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
DO YOU WANT 5 0 5 0 1 AND WEST DE SPRUCE AND WELL, NO, 4 17, 4 17, 5 I WEST TO SPRUCE EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT.
KEEP IN MIND THE MIXED USE DONATING DISTRICT, UH, ALSO HAS THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO IF WE GO AWAY FROM THAT DISTRICT, UH, ANYTHING NEW DEVELOPED, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND IN HOPES THAT THEY DON'T PUT A HOME THERE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO PUT A HOME THERE.
NOW, THE ONLY THING, AND I ASK LADIES AND GENTLEMEN TO CHECK ME BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT FIVE 17, THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT FOUR 17 SPECIFICALLY AND 4 0 6 AND 3 0 4 ARE ALL BACKING UP TO TANGLEWOOD.
NOBODY CAN PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON TANGLEWOOD.
UNLESS THEY WANT TO REPL FOUR 17 AND THEN ASK US TO REZONE IT.
AND I THINK FOUR 17 IS THE ONE THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION MARK ON THIS WHOLE THING THAT IS IN THE ZONE.
SO THEY WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO, UM, IN THE, WHAT, A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
AM I WRONG? I REALLY CAN'T BUILD A WHOLE LOT ON THAT.
I, I, TO MAKE A STATEMENT AGAIN, I'M IN FAVOR OF MAKING AN AUTOCENTRIC SPECIFICALLY FOR IT.
YOU NAILED IT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S SUCH A PORTION OF IT THAT BUTTS UP TO
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FIVE 17 MM-HMMBUT I WOULD ALSO SAY, TRAVIS, IF YOU DID HAVE ANYBODY COME TO YOU TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WANTING TO DO SOMETHING ON THE TANGLEWOOD MM-HMM
AND I, I, THIS IS SO INFORMAL AND JUST INFORMATION WISE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE WILLING TO HAVE CONVERSATION IF ANYBODY HAD SOMETHING ON THE TANGLEWOOD END OF IT.
I SADLY SAY THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A FEW CONVERSATIONS LIKE THAT WE KINDA SLIDE ACROSS THE TABLE TO YOU.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE LATITUDE ON CERTAIN THINGS.
WE ARE, WE WE'RE NOT AT 6 0 5.
SO, UH, THAT BEING SAID, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, I'VE MADE THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION 5 0 1 TO SPRUCE ALL AUTOCENTRIC.
IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR AGAINST IT? I'M IN FAVOR.
THE 3 0 1 IS COMMERCIAL ALREADY.
THAT'S A, NOT A COMMERCIAL, THAT'S A CHIROPRACTOR OR SOMETHING, I THINK RIGHT THERE.
SHOULD BE THE ONE JUST EAST OF THAT.
2 45 IS AM I LEWIS? AND SHOULD BE SMALL COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S, I THOUGHT, AM I, LEWIS WAS THERE IN 2 45.
SO THAT'S 2 45 IS AM I LEWIS? YES.
AND THEN THE CHURCH, THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE LOTS WITH TWO SEPARATE ADDRESSES NOW.
THEY KIND OF CONNECT BY A BREEZEWAY OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, BUT THEY'RE TWO, OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THEY'VE PLOTTED TWO SEPARATE ADDRESSES NOW.
UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS TOO.
WE TALKED ABOUT CHURCHES AND THAT THERE IS NO ZONING FOR A CHURCH.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THAT PROPERTY ONCE THEY GET AN ACCEPTED, FORMERLY CALLED A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT? THE PROPERTY DOESN'T CHANGE THE DESIGNATION FROM ZONING, BUT THEY CAN PUT ANYTHING THEY WANT THERE.
UH, WE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF CHURCHES THAT WE WERE LIKE, LOOK, THEY'RE ON TOP OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
AS LONG AS THERE'S A CHURCH THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHURCH.
IF THE CHURCH EVER GOT LEVELED, IT GOES BACK TO, UH, COMMERCIAL IE DICKINSON, FIRST BAPTIST.
SO, UM, WITH THAT CLAR, WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, I CAN SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UH, TRAVIS, YOU GOOD WITH THAT ONE, SIR? YES.
SO FROM 5 0 1 5 17, ARE YOU OKAY WITH YES, I'M OKAY WITH THAT WAY.
DIS BRUCE? YES, SHE WAS BRUCE.
I JUST NEEDED THAT CLARIFICATION, THAT'S ALL.
AND THEN 4 0 6 IS NOW GOING UP TO THE FREEWAY WHERE SHIPLEY IS IN THE BANK.
IS THAT SHOULD ALSO BE AUTOCENTRIC? IT IS, IT IS.
WE WENT ALL THE WAY TO SPRUCE ON TUESDAY.
WE'RE GOING EAST OF SPRUCE NOW.
AND 4 0 6 IS ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING FIVE 15 AND 4 0 6 EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE.
WHAT IS 5 25? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHAT IS IT? IT'S A VACANT LOT.
OH FIVE IS VACANT TOO? YES, THAT IS CORRECT, MA'AM.
THEY UP AGAINST THE GULLY THERE NOW THEY'RE BOTH 35 10.
THAT LOOKS LIKE A PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN A PRIVATE PROPERTY? YES, THAT'S A HOUSE AND I SAY RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT IS WHERE, LET ME SEE THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE NORTH OF IT BEHIND SHELL THAT, YEAH.
35 10 AND THE NEXT ONE NORTH OF IT.
AND SO I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THOSE TWO BECOME, I'M GONNA SAY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND THEN 3433 10 AND 33 0 4.
THOSE ARE ALL PRIVATE PROPERTIES ALSO.
YOU JUST TALK, TALK ABOUT THOSE, DIDN'T WE? YES, I WE ALREADY DID THAT, BUT 35.
WHAT IS 35? 10 34 0 2 THROUGH 33 0 4 LOBIT.
I HAVE, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA FLIP THAT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND THEN WHAT, WHAT IS 35 10? THAT, THAT OKAY, THERE, IT'S, THAT'S A PRIVATE RESIDENCE.
SO BASICALLY THAT ENTIRE STRIP SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND 34 0 2 IS BASICALLY, UH, THAT'S WCID ONE.
BUT WHAT'S 6 0 5? 6 0 5 6 5 IS A VACANT LOT.
AND I RECOMMEND THAT BECOME AUTOCENTRIC AUTOCENTRIC.
IT USED TO BE WHATEVER THIS RESTAURANT WAS, WAN GARDEN, BUT IT'S UP AGAINST THE PART OF THE BITE.
I MEAN, IT IS, IF YOU WANNA SEE THE FLOOD HAZARD, WHOEVER BUILDS THERE HAS TO DEAL WITH ALL THE FEMA, EVERYTHING, NO MATTER WHO IT IS.
THAT'S, IT GIVES THEM THE OPTION IF THEY WANNA SPEND THE MONEY, BUT THEY, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS
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PUT IT ON PEW AND BEINGS.SOMEBODY COULD BUILD A BUSINESS, BUT THE ODDS OF SOMEBODY BUILDING A HOME ARE ACTUALLY VERY SLIM.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SO DIFFICULT.
AND IT'S RIGHT ON FIVE SEVEN, I THINK YEARS AGO THERE USED TO BE HOMES THERE.
USED TO BE A RESTAURANT RIGHT OVER THERE TOO.
BUT I THINK PRIOR TO THAT THERE WAS SOME HOMES.
AND THEN 35 14 IS THE CAR WASH.
JUST YOU WANNA DO 6 0 5 AND THERE, GO BACK AND 5 25 AS WHAT? AUTOCENTRIC GENERAL COMMERCIAL, BASICALLY 35 14 IS ALREADY, THAT'S THE CAR WASH.
6 0 5 IS JUST, IT'S A WOODED LOT.
WE GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO DO COMMERCIAL ON IT.
AND BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM AN OPTION TO HAVE A HOME THERE, RIGHT? NO.
SO ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WOULD, SIR.
DO WE IDENTIFY THESE TWO LOTS OR YES, SIR.
WE WOULD LIKE THOSE BECOME, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ALSO.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOUSES.
SO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IS WHAT YOU WANTED THERE.
HOW, HOW, WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? UH, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE IT'S OLD NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE TRY TO STAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
'CAUSE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL MEANS THEY CAN DO A LOT OF, THEY CAN CUT THAT LOT AND PUT UP TO 10 HOMES IN ONE, UH, ACRE.
NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION WILL KEEP THE LOT SIZE, UH, CLOSE TO THE AVERAGE OF WHAT'S EXISTING ON A, ON THAT BLOCK.
AND WE'RE DOING THAT WITH, JUST TO REITERATE, 33, 0 4, 33, 10 30, ALL OF THOSE, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK NORTH OF DIETZ ROAD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
ALL, UH, ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL ON THIS URBAN TRANSITION RIGHT HERE? WHAT IS THE, UM, WEST OF BENWOOD? OKAY, SO SUNSET.
THAT, THAT'S NOT NO, I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT ONE.
WITH WHAT, WHICH ONE WAS THAT? UH, INWOOD AND DEETS.
YOU SEE WHERE WE HAVE THE URBAN TRANSITION BROWN BETWEEN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE URBAN TRANSITION.
INWOOD AND, OKAY, I SEE DEETS.
YOU SEE THE BROWN? WAIT, HOLD ON.
4 0 1 NEEDS TO BE AUTOCENTRIC.
WELL, WHAT IS IT? HOLD ON THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S PART OF GAY PONTIAC THAT'S BACK AT THEIR PAINT SHOP AND A BUNCH OF STUFF IN THERE.
UH, NO, LOOK, THIS IS, THAT, THAT'S CAR.
IS THAT THE CAR WASH RIGHT THERE? THAT'S CAR WASH.
BACK HERE IS THE, THE ONE UP HERE ON THE NORTH OF IT.
THAT'S, IS THAT THE REPAIR SHOP? THAT'S THE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN SEE IT ON IMAGERY.
WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS A SHOP THERE.
YEAH, CAN YOU GO INTO THAT HOLD? CAN A CAR WASH GO IN? GO IN? UM, NOT URBAN CENTRIC.
BY THE WAY, THAT BUILDING RIGHT THERE HAS A DRIVEWAY THAT TIES INTO GAY PONTIAC.
THAT'S PART OF THE PAINT SHOP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO MY WHOLE POINT IS BASICALLY 4 0 1 AND THAT LOT RIGHT THERE, THAT'S PART OF GAY PONTIAC, UHHUH,
AND I SAY ALL THAT SHOULD BE, THERE'S THE RIGHT OF WAY TO GET TO IT, BUT STILL IT'S GOING THROUGH GAY.
UH, I THINK THAT ENTIRE THING SHOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC.
BY VIRTUE OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION EVEN 4 0 1.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY COULD STILL, YEAH, 4 0 1 BECAUSE THAT IS A CAR WASH AND IT'S ALL ONE LOT.
AND IF THEY EVER WANTED TO LEVEL THAT AND, UH, AUTOCENTRIC.
SO IF IT GOES AUTOCENTRIC, IT WOULD MAKE IT, UH, THE USE CURRENTLY CONFORMING UH, CURRENTLY CONFORMING, YES.
OR IT WOULD BE CONFORMING AT THAT POINT? YES, SIR.
CURRENTLY IT IS NON-CONFORMING.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT ONE? UH, YEAH.
GO BACK TO THE OTHER WHERE YOU HEY, HE'S WRITING SOME STUFF DOWN RIGHT NOW.
GOT LIKE 17% LEFT ON MY PHONE AND TERRIBLE WIFI
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I DON'T KNOW.COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE UH, LEARNING MAP, SIR? IT IS THINKING ABOUT IT.
WE CAN LEAVE
SO THE WIFI'S WORKING AS GREAT FOR YOU AS IT IS ME? YES, SIR.
DATES, KEEP ON GOING TOWARDS HIGHWAY.
UM, TRYING TO, CAN WE LOOK LEFT OF LOBIT, WEST OF LOBIT AND THEN WE WILL TRAVEL DOWN IF YOU DON'T MIND.
FORGIVE ME FOR BEING THAT WAY, BUT ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, DON'T YOU THINK? UH, THERE YOU GO.
THAT'S ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT THERE.
IF WE CAN LOOK SOUTH OF FIVE 17 AND WEST OF LOBIT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, UH, OF CONVERSATION.
ALL THAT STUFF IS URBAN TRANSITION BELOW THERE WHERE SOUTH OF FIVE 17 MM-HMM
SOUTH OF ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BAYOU.
YEAH, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
UM, I, THIS KIND OF, THIS IS ALL, UM, THIS IS ALL THE CHURCH.
NOW THIS FALLS IN THE SAME CATEGORY OF WHAT WE SAID BEFORE AS FAR AS I PERSONALLY CONSIDER THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY, WHICH IS OWNED BY TRUE CROSS AND PROBABLY WILL LONG AFTER I'M DEAD AND GONE.
BUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED MORE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE OF COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN URBAN TREASURE URBAN TRANSITION.
YOU SEE THAT AS COMMERCIAL, UH, UP AGAINST THE, THE, UH, BAYOU THERE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S THE DEFINITELY THE TRUE CROSS LOT THAT SHOULD BE, THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE COMMERCIAL.
UH, THIS LOT HE'S HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW.
UH, I WOULD NOT FIGHT ANYBODY IF THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO HAVE THAT AS RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S ALL BY THE CHURCH, HONESTLY.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S DOESN'T MATTER WE A WE BY THE CHURCH LONG AFTER WE'RE GONE TOO, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE OFFICIALLY ZONED AS RIGHT NOW IT'S URBAN TRANSITION WHERE IF THE CHURCH WASN'T THERE, WE COULD PUT APARTMENT APARTMENTS, WE COULD PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF AND ONLY A FEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
I WOULD THINK IT'S LIMITED BETTER FOR HOMES AGAINST US.
I WOULDN'T SAY IT THE, THIS LOWER SECTION.
EVEN THIS ONE HERE, THE MIDDLE SECTION.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT URBAN TRANSITION.
BUT THE ONE THAT THE CHURCH IS ON ITSELF, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE MORE COMMERCIAL.
BECAUSE IT'S UP AGAINST THE FIVE 17.
WHAT IS THAT LOT CALLED THAT THE CHURCH IS ON? DOES IT HAVE A NUMBER? ANYWAY, WHATEVER.
IT'S THE, UH, I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TURN THIS LOT INTO COMMERCIAL JUST PURELY FROM A ZONING.
IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING FOR ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PROPERTY THAT FACES FIVE 17 SHOULD NOT HAVE APARTMENTS OR HOMES OR ANYTHING.
IT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED AS COMMERCIAL.
THE SOUTH ONE SHOULD, I GUESS WE CAN'T SEPARATE IT, CAN WE? SURE, WE CAN.
TWO THESE, TWO LOTS SOUTH OF IT.
IF YOU WANT THOSE TO BE, AND I WOULDN'T DISAGREE.
I WOULD BE INCLINED TO AGREE WE COULD LEAVE THOSE AS URBAN TRANSITION.
I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD CALL FOR THAT.
AND I'M THINKING ABOUT, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT URBAN TRANSITION DOES NOT ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
DID WE DISCUSS THAT? WE WERE ALLOWING IT? UH, SO YES, Y'ALL MADE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO PERMIT, UH, DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND PATIO HOMES IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT.
AND THIS TUESDAY, UH, AT CITY COUNCIL, WE HAD THE FIRST READING OF THAT AND IT WAS APPROVED AT THE FIRST READING.
OKAY, THEN I'M OKAY WITH, UH, OKAY, THEN I'M OKAY WITH IT TOO.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE TWO, THE TWO AND THREE LOTS STAYING URBAN.
BUT I THINK THE CHURCH NEEDS TO GO TO, UH, AUTOCENTRIC AND I'M SAYING TO DO IT ALL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE YOU NEED SOME COMMERCIAL ON THAT BAYOU.
WE HAVE NO COMMERCIAL ON THE BAYOU.
WE HAVE VERY LITTLE OF THE ON THE BAYOU, AND THAT'S A BIG TAX BA TAX.
IF YOU'RE DOING ALL OF THIS, SAY THIS ALL GOES AWAY, THEN TRAVIS, WE KNOW HOW DEEP THAT LITTLE SLIVER IS THERE ON THE BODY.
I JUST MEASURED, IT WAS ROUGHLY A HUNDRED FOOT MM-HMM
THIS ONE I HEAR YOU'RE TALKING.
SO IT COULD BE DEVELOPED A HUNDRED FOOT DEEP.
I'M, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU, MARJORIE.
IN FACT, I WAS EVEN THINKING THE WEST SIDE OF THE BAYOU, I WAS LIKE, WHY ISN'T THAT IDENTIFIED AS SUCH AS, BUT IT'S PLANNED ZONING, THE PLAN, THERE'S A, IT'S PROBABLY WORTH LOOKING AT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THE FLOOD MAP FOR THIS ONE.
UH, 'CAUSE THAT ONE PARCEL DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT BIT OF IT THAT'S IN THE FLOODWAY.
AND YOU CANNOT DEVELOP IN THE FLOODWAY.
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THING.TORNADO COMES OUT, TAKES OUT THE WHOLE THING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, MARJORIE, I'M, I'M VERY INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF SEMANTICS BECAUSE NONE OF US WILL EVER SEE IT HAPPEN, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO WE COULD CALL IT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING WE WANTED TO, AND THE CHURCH IS GONNA LAUGH AT US THE WHOLE TIME.
I JUST, BUT YOU WOULD, I THINK OUR CITY, UH, I THINK OUR CITY DON'T HAVE ROADS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TAX DOLLARS.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.
AND THAT'S, AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WOULDN'T FIGHT ANYBODY IF WE WANTED TO TURN ALL THREE OF THOSE LOTS INTO COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, IT'S SEMANTICS AT THIS POINT.
MARJORIE, YOU'RE A THOUSAND PERCENT CORRECT.
BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING THAT'S, WE WANNA, YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I, I, WE ALL TALK ABOUT GETTING OUR, I'LL, I'LL I'LL AGREE.
EITHER DIRECTION, TAX DOLLAR FOR ALL THREE OF YOU, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE.
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN SAY JUST DESIGNATED WHATEVER.
THERE'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN.
THE CHURCH COULD TECHNICALLY COME IN AND SAY, WAIT, WHAT A, WE DON'T WANT THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE CONVINCING ENOUGH, THEN I GUESS COUNCIL WOULD YEAH.
PUT IT TO WHATEVER THEY WANT BACK TO WHERE IT'S NOW.
FOR ME, THIS IS NOT A MAP THING.
I JUST, I JUST HAVE A, DO YOU WANNA KEEP THAT TO REINFORCE KIND OF ONE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS FROM TUESDAY? A LOT OF THE STUFF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND FUTURE NIGHTS IS, AND THIS THIS FALLS AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, SEMANTICS.
BUT THE REALITY IS THIS ZONING MAP IS ONE, IT'S A TOOL FOR EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN THE CITY.
SECOND, IT'S A MARKETING TOOL FOR OUR CITY.
'CAUSE BOTTOM LINE, ANYBODY THAT LOOKS AT OUR CITY IS GONNA GO, OKAY, HEY LOOK, I FOUND THIS PIECE OF DIRT I'M INTERESTED IN.
WELL, WHAT DO YOU KNOW IT'S, YOU CAN'T USE IT.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA INSTANTLY KILL A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS.
TRAVIS DID A A, HE DIDN'T MEAN TO, BUT HE, HE HAD ABOUT FOUR POINTS THAT HE MADE THE OTHER DAY ABOUT OUR ZONING WAS NOT BENEFICIAL IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WERE LIKE, I'D LIKE TO DO THIS.
AND, AND THE REALITY IS THAT WAS A STUPID FRICKING REASON BECAUSE THE MAP WAS WRONG.
HE JUST DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.
I'M THE, I'M THE HOLDOUT ON THEM.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT A MAP THING FOR ME.
SO LET'S GO FOR IT TO BE DEVIL ADVOCATE.
CALL A COMMERCIAL OR YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
TO BE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, WHAT, UH, WHAT WOULD Y'ALL'S OPINION BE ON FLIPPING THOSE THREE LOTS TO MIXED USE? THE ONLY LIMITATION, THE THE TWO LOTS.
I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY NOT SHARED.
'CAUSE YOU DO WANT LIMITED COMMERCIAL ASPECTS, NOT FULL COMMERCIAL ASPECTS.
I THINK THE ONE CLOSEST FIVE 17 SHOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC EVERYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED MARJORIE THOUGHTS.
SOME WE HAVE, YEAH, WE STILL HAVE SOME, BUT THE SAME THING, WE DON'T WANT OUR TAXES TO GO UP.
WE DO THIS, WE DO THAT AS, AS A HOMEOWNER, BUT WE DON'T GIVE ANY ANYTHING TO COMMERCIAL.
WE ARE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PUSHING PRETTY HARD.
I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME PRETTY RENEGADE STUFF HERE AND I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.
SO THE AUTOCENTRIC, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD PROHIBIT MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS, IS ESSENTIALLY COMMERCIAL AND CAN PROVIDE A GOOD TAX BASE.
UH, AS FAR AS LIKE DEVELOPER AND REALTOR'S SIDE, THEY, THEY GET PRETTY EXCITED JUST AT THE WORDS MIXED USE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTY AND IT'S, IT HAS MIXED, MIXED USE.
WE WANNA LOOK BETTER TO PEOPLE COMING INTO THIS CITY.
AND THEN WHEN, AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE SURROUNDING CITIES, THEY USE THE WORD MIXED USE AGAIN AND AGAIN.
SO, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE, SEE I'M GONNA EXPAND ON THIS, THIS POINT OF LOGIC, LOOKING TO THE EAST OF THESE TWO LOTS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, TALKING ABOUT PINE MANOR.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO LOTS, AND THEN THERE'S THE PINE MANOR ITSELF.
UH, IS THE, THE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED AS PINE MANOR, THE LONG ONE, I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP IN MY LITTLE MAPPY.
THAT IS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE, IS IT NOT? MM-HMM
I, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER RECENTLY ACTUALLY, AND IS ABOUT, I SHOULD SAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM BECAUSE, UH, ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S THE PRIEST, HUH? A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND IT JUST WENT UP IN VALUE BECAUSE WE MADE IT COMMERCIAL.
WAS IS URBAN TRANSITION AT THIS TIME.
WHICH WOULD MAKE OFFICIALLY AS WE STAND HERE TODAY, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE MAKING
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CHANGES, BUT CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE NONCONFORMING PROPERTY AS URBAN TRANSITION AND THAT LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.SO, AND WHAT'S THAT LITTLE HOUSE UP THERE? IS THAT JUST A, IT'S ALSO A, JUST ADJUSTER RESIDENCE.
AND I, I HATE TO PIECEMEAL IT, BUT THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.
THAT ONE LOT RIGHT THERE ADJACENT TO TRUE CROSS SHOULD BE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
IT NEEDS TO BE IN CONFORMING WHICH, WHAT, WHICH ONE RIGHT THERE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ACCESS? THE L AROUND IT? WHAT IS THAT? ANY IDEA? I'M SURE, LET'S SEE WHAT IT COMES UP AS.
IT'S KIND OF CURIOUS LIKE A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING.
SO I BELIEVE IT GOT A RIGHT OF WAY.
I THINK THAT WAS THE SAME OWNER AS THIS PARCEL.
WHAT'S THE NAME ON SIX 12? IT'S UH, RICHARDSON'S LAST NAME.
NO, RIGHT THERE IS THAT? NO, IT'S LOADED.
WHAT IN THE BLUE BLAZES? IS THAT? YEAH, WHAT IS, I'M UNSURE.
WHEN I WAS SPEAKING WITH HER, SHE WAS, SHE DID INFORM ME THIS PARCEL, YOU KNOW, WAS PIECED OFF IN THE BA IN THE PAST.
UH, BUT WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO REGARDLESS, UH, I FEEL LIKE BOTH OF THOSE, ALL THREE OF THOSE, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, SHOULD FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CON CONSERVATION OR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IN THAT THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL HOMES.
IF ANYBODY WANTED TO IN THE FUTURE TO REPL IT BY BREAKING IT OUT, THEN THERE WOULD BE THE QUESTION OF REZONING AT THAT POINT.
WELL, UNLESS WE WANNA DO THAT, IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED IF THEY WANTED TO REPL.
UH, BUT IF THE WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANTED TO DO DID NOT FIT INTO THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT, THEN THEY COULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN A MAP AMENDMENT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A DUMB QUESTION.
YOU GOT A THREE ACRE, FOUR ACRE LOT RIGHT THERE.
YOU CALL IT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND SAY HE DOES CHOOSE TO REPLANT IT LATER ON AND SELL OFF FOUR LOTS IN THEORY AND PROVIDING A RIGHT OF WAY GOING DOWN THE WHOLE ACCESS.
BY VIRTUE OF BEING NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
THIS IS JUST SCENARIO, BY THE WAY, DOES HE IN THE REPL BASICALLY GET TO DICTATE WHAT THE, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE AT THAT POINT? AS QUESTION MAKES SENSE IN REFERENCE DOES LIKE LOT SIZE? YEAH.
RIGHT NOW IT'S URBAN TRANSITION.
IT ISN'T WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
SO THE, THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT IS THE ONE THAT HAS, IT HAS YOU CALCULATE THE AVERAGE OF THE BLOCK FACE IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.
AND SO IT WOULD DEFINE IT AS THE SAME, THE LOTS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, BETWEEN TWO STREETS.
AND SO IF I WAS LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO REPL, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WOULD DO IS TAKE EVERY LOT FROM SPRUCE TO PINE MANOR ON THIS SIDE OF FIVE 17 AND I WOULD CALCULATE THEIR PLATTED LOT WIDTH AND TAKE THE AVERAGE OF THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO PERMIT THIS LOT TO HAVE.
AND SO THIS SCENARIO, THAT WOULD NOT SCENARIO END WELL, WOULD IT IN THIS SCENARIO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING? UH, AS FAR AS LOT SIZE, UH, SO TO BE HONEST, I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND IF WE'RE GOING FOR A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, IS THAT IS ONE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, SET LOT SIZE STANDARDS.
UH, IT ALSO HAS A, IT'S ADJACENT TO EXISTING GENERAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO IF I MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION 6, 12, 38, 16, THE NEXT LOT NORTH OF THAT, AND THEN THE L AND THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE, I BELIEVE SHOULD ALL BE ZONED GENERAL RESIDENTIAL 3,700 SHOULD STAY URBAN TRANSITION.
DOES DEBORAH MAKES SENSE? OKAY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK INTO THE FUTURE WHAT IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE, BUT RIGHT.
THE ONLY THING SINCE WE INCLUDED SINGLE FAMILY, WELL, LIKE YOU SAID, IF IT, IF THEY WANTED TO SEPARATE IT, IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
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I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BIO.DO WE? THAT'S ALL GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, NOTHING OUTTA THE ORDINARY.
WE'LL, ONCE THEY'RE DONE THIS DOING IT WILL ALWAYS, IT'LL ALWAYS SHOW HIS HIS PINK OF PLAIN DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S A HUGHES ROAD DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WONDER, KEEP GOING JUST TO TOUCH SOUTH JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING FURTHER DOWN THERE.
SO THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL RIGHT DOWN THERE BY HUGHES ROAD? MM-HMM
NO FUSSING, NO FOULING, UH, DIESEL MIXED USE.
THOSE ARE ALL WOODS LEFT AND RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT.
BOY, I TELL YOU, THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THERE THAT WOULD PROBABLY KILL US IF SOMEBODY PUT SOMETHING COMMERCIAL IN THERE.
IT'S PROBABLY WORTH MENTIONING, I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN TEXAS CITY, UH, BUT THE SOUTH OF HUGHES ROAD MM-HMM.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY LARGE EXTENSION OF LAMAR.
IF, IF WE WANT TO HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON HUGHES ROAD THAT COULD SERVE THIS UH, AREA, UH, MAYBE THIS COULD BE A PLACE TO DO IT.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, SIR, THE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE OF HUGHES ROAD FROM YOUR HIGHLIGHT MM-HMM
IF YOU WOULD CLICK ON THAT AND THAT IS OWNED BY AND WHO IS IT AND IT IS OWNED BY LOG MORE INVESTMENTS.
AH, WHERE IS THAT? THEN I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ZONE THAT UH, AUTOCENTRIC.
WELL IT'S MIXED USE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING LOG MAR IS PROBABLY GONNA BE HERE IN ABOUT TWO YEARS GOING, WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT BUSINESSES THERE.
WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST GET IN FRONT OF IT.
AND I WOULD ASK IF WE COULD LOOK TO THE LOTS TO THE, WHO OWNS THAT EAST TO THAT WHO LAMAR OWNS? LAMAR OWNS THIS ONE.
THEY, I THINK UP UNTIL ABOUT RIGHT HERE, THEY OWN THEM.
UH, PRETTY MUCH I WOULD SAY ANYTHING THAT'S LAMAR OWNED, WE NEED TO TURN THOSE INTO, UH, COMMERCIAL.
THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE CO ISN'T COMMERCIAL.
THIS ONE'S RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT.
BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
EVERYTHING THAT'S IN GRAY DOESN'T BELONG TO US ANYWAY.
WE CAN ZONE IT WHATEVER WE WANT.
IF HALF OF THEIR PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING GENERAL, I MEAN, UM, AUTOCENTRIC, AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
AND ALL THE WAY UP, IF YOU MEAN, UH, HOLD ON, LET ME, BEFORE I GET MYSELF PUNCHED IN THE HEAD BY SOME PEOPLE I KNOW
AND THAT IS OWNED BY, WELL I HOPE TEXAS BEST, B AND BLLC.
YOU KNOW, I, I STILL SAY ONE AND TWO AND WHAT, WHAT IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, SIR? THAT YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTED? YEAH, YOU CLICKED ON THE MOUSE RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT ONE'S OWNED BY RODNEY AND SIMS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE PEOPLE OWN THESE, THESE PROPERTIES.
THEY CAN PARK AND THEY, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL ON THE, ON ADJACENT TO HUGHES ROAD AND THEY WANNA SELL IT, THEY CAN MM-HMM
AND IT'S ALL WILL ALREADY BE ZONED, BUT BOTTOM LINE, THEIR ENTIRE LOT IS RESIDENTIAL UNTIL THAT POINT.
SO WE CAN CALL IT COMMERCIAL TILL THE COWS COME HOME.
THESE LOTS ARE ROUGHLY, UH, 8,200 FEET DEEP.
BUT THEY'RE STILL ACTUALLY PART OF ALL THE WAY ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET DEEP AT THAT POINT, MAN.
SO IF WE, UM, GO BACK, IF, IF WE PUT THOSE AS UM, COMMERCIAL AND THE, CAN THEY, UH, SUBDIVIDE THE BACK TO YEAH.
THEY CAN RET IT, THEY CAN RET OR PLOT IT, OT IT.
SO KIND OF THE POINT THAT I WAS GETTING TO ON SOME OF THIS, 'CAUSE I HAVE A, A FRIEND OF MINE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHICH LOT IS HIS, BUT, UH, HE OWNS, UH, ABOUT A FIVE ACRE LOT THE FRONTAGES, UH, HUGHES ROAD.
HE'S NOT HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S A GIANT APARTMENT COMP OR A GIANT FREAKING NEIGHBORHOOD GOING BEHIND HIM.
AND THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT APPARENTLY HIM AND MULTIPLE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY LOG MAR TO SELL.
HE'S DEBATING IT IF THE NUMBERS COME THE RIGHT WAY.
AND SO THAT GOES BACK TO WHY I DO STILL SAY, I WON'T SAY EVERYTHING ALONG HERE, BUT ALL THESE DEEP LOTS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PORTION THAT IS IN DICKINSON BE ZONED AS COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IF THESE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO SELL OUT TO
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LAMAR, LAMAR CAN REPLANT THESE TILL THE COWS COME HOME AND MAKE IT ANY WAY THEY WANT.AND BE MORE VALUABLE FOR THEM.
IT'LL BE MORE VALUABLE FOR THE CITY TOO.
SO KIND OF GOING, AND TRAVIS, IF YOU'D BE, I'M GONNA KEEP US ON SOUTH OF HUGHES ROAD FOR A MINUTE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, ZOOM AND, UH, RICE AND HUGHES.
THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE, SIR.
THAT'S, THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THESE ARE ALL PRIVATE, UH, SUBDIVISION PRIVATE HOMES.
WHAT IS 15? 12? WHERE IS THAT ONE? 15, 12 AND 1500.
I THINK THERE'S ALL BUSINESSES.
NO, UP UNTIL, UM, 8 1 1 5, 8 1 1 5.
I THINK THIS WHOLE BLOCK IS, I THINK THAT'S A HOUSE TOO, HUH? YEAH, THAT'S A HOUSE TOO.
THAT'S THAT LOST NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WHAT, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL OH, LOST LANE.
WHAT IS THAT? IT'S, IT'S, SORRY.
THERE WAS A SUBSTANDARD HOME ON THIS LOT.
AND THEN BY 50 13, UH, IS VACANT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IS VACANT.
NO, THERE'S A BIG HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
REALLY? NOT ON 5 13, 15, 13, 50 13.
50 13? NO, UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
I MEAN, I SEE WHERE THE HOT HOUSE IS FROM 1600 AND THEN, UH, LONG SHADOW GOES RIGHT BETWEEN IT.
OH, THAT'S, YEAH, THERE'S A HOUSE SAYS 50 13.
THE BUILDING JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE MAP.
SO 1,650 13, I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH KEEPING THE, IN FACT, YEAH, ALL THREE OF THOSE KEEP 'EM RESIDENTIAL.
1500 IS ANOTHER RESIDENCE RIGHT THERE.
AND, AND WHAT'S 15, 12? WHAT'S HUNDRED? WHAT? LET'S GO BACK.
IS THERE A, A RESIDENCE THERE? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE HOW? OKAY.
BECAUSE THAT'S A, A WATER WATERWAY RIGHT THERE BETWEEN IT.
AND THEN WHAT'S, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT LOT RIGHT THERE THAT, UM, OKAY, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE DEEP PROPERTIES.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
15, 14 GOING WEST ALL THE WAY TO SLIDE TO YOUR WEST, PLEASE.
15, 14 TO KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
AND ALL THE WAY TO RIGHT THERE.
I RECOMMEND, THOSE ARE ALL ZONED AUTOCENTRIC.
SO YOU JUST, AS LONG AS YOU LEAVE THOSE 15, 12, LEAVE THE RESIDENCE AS ALONE.
ANYTHING THERE? WIDENING QUEUES? YEP.
SO NOW GOING THIS LOT? 1414 OR YES.
THAT ONE TOO, THAT ISN'T 15, 14 IS INCLUDED.
NOT, WELL, IT, IT'S PART OF 1514.
IT'S JUST STOPPING AT THE, THE CITY LIMIT SIGN RIGHT THERE.
AND IT MAKES ME THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE THE ONE MY FRIEND OWNS.
I CAN RUN FASTER SCARED THAN HE CAN, MATT.
ANYWAY, 15, 14 YEARS ROAD THAT THEY LIVED THERE.
THERE'S A HOUSE THERE, CORRECT? MM-HMM
WE WERE THESE WHAT IS, UH, WHAT'S THAT RIGHT THERE? THEN CLICK ON THAT, SIR.
YOU WERE JUST ON THIS ONE? YEP.
IS THAT NOT 1514 STILL? UH, IT DOES SHOW THE SAME ADDRESS.
I STILL SAY PUT IT IN THERE IF THEY CHOOSE TO, IF THEY WANNA PUT A STORE THERE, THEY CAN.
AND THEN CONTINUING TO SCROLL TO HIGHWAY THREE.
SIR, WHAT ARE THESE THREE LOTS RIGHT HERE BETWEEN MELODY AND LOST? BOOM.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALL RESIDE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT I THINK THE ACTUAL HOMES ARE WAY DOWN BELOW.
YEAH, THESE ARE, YEAH, THEY'RE ALL DOWN AWAY.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TURN THIS, THERE'S A HOUSE.
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REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, PROVIDE A FOR YARD CITY THOUGH, IF THEY, WHO THAT DO, UH, COMMERCIAL THOUGH? THEY ARE IN TEXAS CITY.THE HOUSE ITSELF IS A TEXAS CITY ADDRESS, RIGHT? YES.
SO, AGAIN, NO BEARING ON THEM OR US FOR TODAY, BUT I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ON 57? OH, WHAT IS ON 57? OH FOUR? IS THAT A BUSINESS? IT'S A HOUSE.
MELODY LANE, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? CORRECT.
AT SOME POINT THAT TURNS INTO TECH CITY.
UH, THE LOT NORTH OF 57 0 4 WEST TO, UH, RIGHT THERE WEST TO SLIDE WEST, SIR, KEEP GOING.
LOOK HOW CLOSE HER HOUSE IS TO THAT ONE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 12 3 0 3 UHHUH
LIKE I SAID, SHE OWN, THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY AND NOBODY WILL EVER PUT A BUSINESS ON THERE UNTIL THEY SELL IT OR THEY WANT TO.
UH, TWO, TWO LOTS TO YOUR LEFT, SIR.
MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM MELODY TO THIS LOT THAT YOU'RE ON RIGHT THERE.
MINUS 57 0 4 IS ALL AUTOCENTRIC.
WHERE'S THAT MA'AM? WHERE HE'S GOT IT HIGHLIGHTED? WHO'S GOT IT HIGHLIGHTED? THAT'S THE, HI, THAT'S THE HOUSE SITTING ON THAT PROPERTY.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A HOUSE THERE.
YEAH, IT'S WHAT IT SHOWS OF ITS 5,000 HUGHES ROAD.
UM, I DON'T SHOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A HOUSE ON THAT.
WHERE YOU HAD IT BEFORE, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A YEAH, THIS MAP, WHEN YOU CLICK ON A PARCEL FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT ALWAYS FACES YOU THE OPPOSITE WAY.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION, LIKE I SAID, THE LOT NORTH OF 57 0 4, GOING WEST TO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, BEFORE 81 18, UH, AUTOCENTRIC THOUGHTS, MS. DEBORAH? NO, I'M, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO HOUSES THERE.
SO TO BE CLEAR, NOT 57 0 4, BUT THE LOT IN FRONT OF IT.
AND THEN WE GO CONTINUE EAST, UH, THE SCHOOL, UM, ACTUALLY WAIT A MINUTE.
WHY WOULD THAT BE MIXED ROAD? YEAH.
AGAIN, I, I STILL SAY BASICALLY FROM THAT LOT.
KEEP DRAGGING, KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
AND THAT'S HIGHWAY THREE RIGHT THERE.
I THINK ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE, UH, AUTO COMMERCIAL, NOT MIXED USE.
THERE'S, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BUILD A HOME OVER THERE, I DON'T BELIEVE.
WELL, THESE ARE HOMES RIGHT, RIGHT THERE AREN'T THEY ON THE WHERE MA'AM? ON, ON THE MIXED USE AREA, RIGHT? UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I'M ONLY GOING ON THE SOUTH SIDE NOW.
UH, YEAH, I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, EVERYTHING FROM THE BLUE SQUARE TO THE RED SQUARE SOUTH OF HUGHES ROAD IS ALL AUTOCENTRIC ARTERY.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT DOES ENCOMPASS SOME OF THE SCHOOL, SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S LIKE A SCHOOL, IT'S LIKE A CHURCH.
IT COULD BE WHATEVER IT IS FOR ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO THAT'S HOUSE SOUTH OF HUGHES ROAD.
NOW IF WE MAY ZOOM BACK IN AND GO UP TO FIVE 17 OVER BY, WHERE THE HELL WERE WE? OH BOY.
WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE 45 AREA SECOND.
OKAY, SO THIS, WHAT ABOUT DOWN HERE ON HIGHWAY THREE? THE MIXED USE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT MIXED USE.
WELL, WE JUST CHANGED THAT TO AUTOCENTRIC.
ALL THAT MIXED USE BECAME OVER HERE.
THIS, MA'AM, EVERYTHING FROM THE, THE BLUE SQUARE, RIGHT? ALL THE WAY TO HIGHWAY THREE IS ALL AUTOCENTRIC.
THERE'S A, UH, A MECHANIC SHOP, GAS STATIONS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE HOUSES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HUGHES.
UH, NORTH SIDE OF HUGHES ROAD.
I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU, MARJORIE.
BASICALLY EVERY ONE OF THESE WITH A NUMBER ON IT.
MINUS 2371 AND THE ONE ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST.
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BE, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.RIGHT? WHAT IS THIS BIG, HUGE, UH, SOMEBODY OWNS ONE BIG OLD LOT.
SO I THINK IN MARJORIE'S TERMS, 23 0 7, 23, 13, 23, 71, 81, 25, 67.
AND I'M GONNA SKIP ONE AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
THOSE SHOULD ALL BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? MY QUESTION, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, IS THE ONE THAT I SAID SKIP, DO WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION? WE KEEP IT THE SAME.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE GENERAL IS BETWEEN 25 67 AND THE NEXT TWO OVER.
THEY SHOULD ALL BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THE EMPTY 1 26 0 9, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OH NO, I SEE THOSE TWO LITTLE PLACES.
SO THE, SO THE BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU'RE GONNA KEEP, UM, THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I WANT A RESIDENTIAL.
YOU DON'T WANT APARTMENT? I WANT RESIDENTIAL TOO.
IF YOU HAVE ALL THESE RIGHT HERE.
I WOULDN'T WANT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S RIGHT BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND NO.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT, THAT THEY COULD BE, THAT'S A BIG OLD PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
SO MY ONLY SOMEWHERE IN THERE IS THAT LAND IS FOR SALE BY THE VFW.
THAT'S AUTOCENTRIC RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO LADIES, GENTLEMEN, GOING BACK TO THE, UH, MIXED USE.
MIXED USE DOES ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY OR IS THAT ONLY, UH, MIXED USE PERMITS.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT THERE.
I WANT NO THAT TO BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
UH, SO THE, KEEP IN MIND, THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS GONNA ALLOW NO COMMERCIAL, SO YOU WON'T HAVE ANY THAT'S FINE.
ANY RESTAURANTS, GAS STATIONS, ET CETERA, SUPPORTING THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.
SO GO BACK TO THE MAP SIR, PLEASE.
'CAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN ON THERE.
I KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL, POTENTIALLY UP TO 120 HOUSES.
I, FROM THAT BEING SAID, DO YOU HAVE A HOUSE ON 2371? IT'S A TINY LOT.
I I DON'T BELIEVE IN LESS THAN MORE THAN FOUR.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M, I'M NOT INCLINED TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, MA'AM.
IF YOU WANT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS TRAVIS, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THAT FALLS IN THAT CATEGORY OF WHEN AND IF SOMEBODY COMES, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT IT.
CHECK MARK ON THAT 37TH NOTE WE SLID TOWARD YOU.
WELL THEN WHAT THAT ALLOWS IS THE COMMUNITY TO HELP, YOU KNOW? THAT'S RIGHT.
IT GETS HEARINGS, PEOPLE CAN HAVE A REVIEW.
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO BUILD? RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY POSITIVE WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY AND ACROSS THE STREET WE'VE GOT ALL THAT COMMERCIAL.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A TERRIBLE IDEA.
WELL, I SAY THAT THERE'S A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OVER THERE, BUT WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
GOING TO MIXED USE TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? YEP.
TO, UH, BUTTING UP TO 26 0 9 IS ALL GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS MUCH MORE FORGIVING THAN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, CORRECT? RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
UH, HAVE YOU HAD ZOOM OUT, SIR? OKAY.
UM, WE'RE GONNA STAY SOUTH OF THE, THE BAYOU UNTIL WE CLEAR THIS OUT.
GOING TO HIGHWAY THREE RIGHT THERE, SIR.
WHAT ARE THOSE PRIVATE HOMES? SOME OF THEM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR.
I BELIEVE THERE'S KIND OF A MIX IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT WINDSTORM SHUTTER BUSINESSES THERE AS WELL.
WRONG GENERAL COMMERCIAL WHERE, LET SEE, UH, IT WON'T PULL UP.
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THERE WHERE YOU'RE ON.WHAT IS THERE? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHO OWNS MANUFACTURER? OH NO, THIS IS THE, UM, THIS IS, WE HAD A FIRE HERE.
WHERE? I DON'T HERE BUT THAT PULL, THERE'S, OH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S WHERE THE HOMELESS ALL HANG.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OLD MANUFACTURE HOMES THAT BURNED DOWN ON THIS LOCATION.
AND I BELIEVE, I THINK THIS HOUSE IS DEMOLISHED.
SO THE, THE, THE TWO YOU JUST POINTED AT ARE THE TWO I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FIRST, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THESE TWO CAN, CAN WE SEED THEM? I MEAN, YEAH, THESE TWO, THAT FRONT HOW WAY THROUGH? GOTCHA.
ULTIMATELY, THESE TWO LOTS RIGHT HERE DO IN FACT FACE HIGHWAY THREE.
EVERYTHING ELSE DOES NOT FACE HIGHWAY THREE.
THEY ARE BACK OFF BY ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO THAT I'M GONNA MAKE A STATEMENT WITH WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST YET.
THAT I THINK THESE TWO NEED TO BE AUTOCENTRIC.
BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE AND WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW BEFORE I MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
THAT'S A PRIVATE HOME RIGHT THERE.
OR IS THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY? THIS IS THE CORRECT SIDE.
SO WE HAVE A HOME THERE AND A HOME THERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, THERE WAS A HOME OVER HERE TOO.
SO THOSE ARE TWO LOVELY HOMES THAT I AM NOT GONNA RECOMMEND TO BE AUTOCENTRIC.
THEY NEED TO, IN FACT, I THINK THOSE NEED TO BE CHANGED TO, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
PROBABLY BUILT ONE HIGHWAY THREE WAS TWO LANES.
BOTH THOSE HOUSES, KEEP IN MIND OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT HAVING RESIDENTIAL ON ON THE MAJOR MAJOR ROADS.
I, I, I, AGAIN LOOKING TO, ARE WE OKAY WITH, UH, BASICALLY MAKING NON, CREATING NON-CONFORMING.
THERE, THERE ALREADY NON-CONFORMING AS IT SITS.
AND, UH, THE UDC, UH, PER REQUEST OF P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL HAS SOME, UH, PRETTY DECENT PROTECTIONS FOR NONCONFORMING RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, SO THEY, THEY'RE GOING ABLE TO EXIST AS THEY ARE, UH, INDEFINITELY.
IF THEY EVER BURNED DOWN, THEY'RE EVER MOVED OUT.
IF IT'S DESTROYED MORE THAN 50%, THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS REDEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE.
I DON'T, I THINK WE SHOULD, FUTURE'S BEEN A LONG TIME FOR THOSE TWO HOUSES.
I, I, I, THE LOTS OF NOT LOOKING AT THE HOUSES, LOOKING AT THE LOTS THEMSELVES, IT GOES OUT SAYING I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE AUTOCENTRIC LOTS NOW PEOPLE OWN THE HOUSES.
I DON'T EXPECT THEY'RE GONNA BE BUILDING MORE HOUSES ON THOSE LOTS.
THOSE HOUSES COULD BE THERE ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS.
THEY COULD CHANGE THE ZONING 15 TIMES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO THAT BEING SAID, IT'S ALSO IN THEORY GOING TO BE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF ZONING IT AS AUTOCENTRIC.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE TWO LOTS TO PUT A NICE FRICKING BUSINESS ON.
THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF YEAH.
BUYING THOSE HOUSES OUT FOR A GREAT WHATEVER PRICE THOSE PEOPLE WANTED THEIR PRICE JUST, AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT ZONING.
COULDN'T URBAN TRANSITION DO A SIMILAR THING AS LONG AS WE HAVE.
BUT YOU COULD HAVE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND STUFF THERE TOO.
I WOULDN'T GO FOR URBAN TRANSITIONAL.
UH, I WAS WAITING FOR THIS EMAIL DAY.
ALL OF THIS IS NONCONFORMING RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, I MEAN THIS ONE IS VACANT AND THIS ONE'S ALSO PRETTY MUCH VACANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
50 30 AND 25 0 3 AND, UH, DURING HARVEY BURNED DOWN.
OH, THE ONE I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW? UH, NO.
I, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A COUPLE TIMES.
BUT YOU KNOW WHO'S LIVING THERE THERE THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THE HOUSE WAY DOWN THERE OR IS IT 24 0 7? ONE OF THESE TWO IS MY, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY 24 7.
24 0 7 IS THE ONE MY WIFE CALLS.
TARA CALLS WHAT? MASSIVE FROM UH, GONE WITH THE WIND.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING DOWN THERE.
WELL, CAN YOU CLICK ON THAT 24? YEAH.
GOOGLE'S NOT GONNA TELL YOU ANYTHING 'CAUSE IT CAN'T, DOESN'T GO THAT FAR DOWN.
I'M TELLING YOU, THAT HOUSE BURNT DOWN.
JERRY HARVEY, THE BIRD DURING HARVEY TRAV, YOU'RE GETTING PRETTY GOOD AT THIS WEBSITE.
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THE BIO.THIS ONE BURNED DOWN RIGHT HERE.
HOW THE HELL THAT? BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT OLD, OLD HOUSE 24.
THAT'S, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF WHO IT IS.
SEE, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT PROPERTY.
WHO IS, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A, A REC A THOUGHT.
I MADE THE STATEMENT THAT NEITHER ONE OF THOSE FACE HIGHWAY THREE.
BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY STILL A ROAD OF SORTS RIGHT THERE.
NO, AND IF SOMEBODY WAS TO LOOK AT 5,500, 5,050 10 BETWEEN THE FREEWAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT HIGHWAY I COULD INVEST IN THAT PROPERTY RIGHT AWAY.
THAT'S OLD HIGHWAY THREE RIGHT THERE.
IN FACT, THERE USED TO BE A BRIDGE RIGHT THERE.
I FOUND THE ABUTMENT THE HARD WAY.
SO THERE'S NOTHING ON 5,000, RIGHT? THERE'S NO HOME, NO NOTHING ON 5,004 FIVE.
AND THERE WAS A TRAILER THAT BURNED DOWN.
I DON'T THINK 50 10 HAS ANYTHING ON EACH 50 10 THE HOUSE BURN DOWN AND 50 30 HAS A HOUSE.
IT HAS SOME REMNANTS OF STRUCTURES.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LIVING IN.
AND, AND CATCHING FIRE AGAIN AND AGAIN, WE GO DOWN THERE WHERE, SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS TAKE DOWN HERE FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON 25 0 3 50, 30 5,050 10.
ALL FOUR OF THOSE BEING AUTOCENTRIC.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THE OTHER THREE SHOULD BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE ON THIS CORNER? NEGATIVE? NO, 25, 3 50, 30 5,050 10.
25 0 1, 24 0 3 AND 24 0 7 IS ALL GENERAL RESIDENTIAL I BELIEVE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA MAKE THAT.
AND JUST, IS THERE NOTHING ON IT RIGHT NOW? NOTHING ON IT.
THERE THERE WAS A HOME AND IT WAS DEMOLISHED.
YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BUILD SOMETHING OF SI OF SEISMIC.
I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT PUTS FIVE OF 'EM AS AUTOCENTRIC.
SO 24 0 3 TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? RIGHT.
24 0 7 IN GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THAT WRAPS UP THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BAYOU.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE'VE MISSED SOUTH OF THE BAYOU? SCROLL BACK OUT.
OOH, I BET MY MAP'S ABOUT TO CRASH.
UH, I'M GONNA, I HAVE TO GO CLOSE THE RESTAURANT.
WELL, WE'RE ALMOST DONE, AREN'T WE FOR TONIGHT? UH, WE GOT 19 MORE MINUTES.
SO THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL HERE.
NO FUSS, NO FOUL, NO QUESTIONS.
THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THIS IS CASA RIO.
THAT'S WHERE THE TOWN HOMES ARE.
SHOULD THAT BE, UM, URBAN TRANSITION? SO THAT COULD BE A SPOT WHERE URBAN TRANSITION WOULD FIT.
WELL, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM
I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED CATEGORY TO THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MAKING THINGS AS CONFORMING AS POSSIBLE.
AND THAT'S AN ADORABLE SUBDIVISION, MAN.
AND THAT GIVES SOME OF OUR TEACHERS AND STUFF PLACES TO BUY AND MM-HMM
UH, SCROLLING TO YOUR WEST, SIR, WHERE IS, UH, WHAT THE HECK IS THE NAME OF THAT PLACE? THE, UH, THE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PROPERTY.
THAT'S, UM, BETWEEN RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT IT RIGHT THERE? NO, IT'S FURTHER.
IT'S THE ONE, THE NEXT ONE DOWN.
IS IT? BECAUSE IT GOES TO THE WATER.
IT'S THE ONE THAT'S PURPLE, ISN'T IT? IT'S THIS ONE.
IS THAT IT? IT'S THAT PATHWAY ARCHDIOCESE? YES.
WELL THAT SHOULDN'T BE, THAT SHOULDN'T BE COMMERCIAL.
AND PARDON ME, THAT SHOULDN'T BE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS KIND OF FALLS INTO ONE OF THE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE CALL THIS? YEAH.
UH, SO IT FITS IN EVERY ZONING A, A CHURCH OR A PLACE OF WORSHIP IS PERMIT EVERY ZONING DISTRICT BESIDES DOWNTOWN.
SO IT'S CONFORMING AND IT'S GENERAL RESIDENTIAL REGARDLESS.
SO IF THEY EVER SOLD IT, WE COULD PUT A BUNCH OF HOMES THERE.
'CAUSE IT'S UP AGAINST A BUNCH OF ITEMS. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
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AND THE OLD FOOTBALL FIELD IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.UH, MAN, WHY AM I DRAWING A BLANK? UH, OKAY.
WHAT THE HECK IS BETWEEN DIESEL, UH, COMMODORE THAT BIG THE NEXT LOT OVER.
WHY IS THIS MIXED RIGHT THERE? CLICK.
AND THAT IS OWNED BY THE MOST REVEREND.
THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME FAMILY.
WHAT IS ON DIESEL? WHY IS IT MIXED USE? UH, BECAUSE IT'S OWNED BY ONE GUY.
AND THE QUESTION IS IF HE EVER WANTED TO PUT, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THROUGH THERE OR ANYTHING.
BUT IT'S UP AGAINST HOMES, RIGHT? NO, THERE'S NOTHING THERE OTHER THAN ALONG FORCE CO IT BACKS UP TO SUBDIVISIONS, BUT THE PLANNED UH, COMMUNITY, THERE'S NOTHING THERE YET.
AND THESE ARE ALL JUST WOODS ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE? YEAH, A LOT OF WOODS.
UM, SCROLLING OUT QUITE A BIT, SIR.
WHAT DOES ANYBODY SEE? ANYTHING ELSE? YOU CAN LEAVE THE GREEN MIXED JUICE? WHAT'S THAT MA'AM? YOU CAN LEAVE THE GREEN MIXED JUICE.
I SEE IT ON THE ONE SIDE, BUT I DON'T KNOW UP AGAINST THE, SORRY, I DON'T REALLY, SO APARTMENTS.
YEAH, YOU DON'T WANT THAT UP AGAINST, UM, MODULAR HOMES.
DO WE HAVE THAT? IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED ALREADY.
WHY DON'T WE STILL HAVE THAT? BECAUSE THEY CALL 'EM MODULAR HOMES NOW IN THERE.
THERE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MANUFACTURED HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES.
UH, MODULAR HOMES ARE ACTUALLY BUILT TO IRC BUILDING CODE STANDARDS, UH, AND ARE PERMITTED ANYWHERE THAT A SINGLE OR DUAL DUPLEX IS PERMITTED PER ZONING.
THAT THAT'S SINGLE IN THE FIRE.
PEOPLE FEEL THAT WAY TOO? NO, THEY BURN FAST.
SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? BUFFER YARDS.
WHAT'S THIS? IT'S NOT, WHAT I WAS GONNA SHOW Y'ALL IS, IS THE REQUIRED BUFFER YARDS BETWEEN DISTRICTS.
UH, SO TALKING ABOUT THIS MIXED USE DISTRICT.
SO ONE SIDE IT LOOKS LIKE IT BUTS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
THE OTHER SIDE IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO WE HAVE A TABLE THAT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE REQUIRED BUFFER YARD, UH, BETWEEN DISTRICTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE MIXED USE, UH, NEXT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, IT REQUIRES THIS, UH, TYPE B BUFFER YARD.
AND SO THAT IF YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS HERE, IT CAN BE 15 FEET WIDE OR 26 DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN.
BUT, UH, THE, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT, UM, WATER
YOU KNOW, AS IN NOT IN THE HOMES.
SO ON THESE TWO LOTS THOUGH, I MEAN, I COULD, I COULD SEE ON THE, ON THE SIDE NEXT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS.
BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, DIESEL, UH, UP AGAINST THE HOMES, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT, UH, FLOODING.
WELL, I MEAN, WHOEVER BUILD THERE IS GONNA HAVE TO MEET THE FEMA CODE BE 14 FOOT HIGHER.
AND RYAN, I THINK WITH WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS IS WORRIED, I'M WORRIED ABOUT UP AGAINST FOREST CO.
SO IF, IF YOU WOULD SCROLL OUT A LITTLE BIT, SIR.
I, I THINK DEBORAH IN LINE WITH WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
LOOK OVER HERE AT, UH, WHY CAN I NOT THINK OF THE NAME OF THIS ENTIRE SUBDIVISION IS CALLED, UM, WHERE ARE YOU? CRIMINI BAYOU.
YOU GOT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GONNA BE ALL RESIDENTIAL AND PLUS A FEW AMENITIES.
YOU GOT DIESEL DRIVE UP ON THE NORTH END.
YOU GOT UM, HAR, UM, FOREST COVE, ALL RESIDENTIAL, EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN WE THREW TWO GREEN MIXED.
USE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
UM, YEAH, I THINK MARJORIE AND I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU.
I DON'T THINK THOSE SHOULD BE MIXED USE.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
WHICH GIVES THEM THE OPTION TO DEVELOP IT THE WAY THEY WANT.
I I THINK ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW, THAT SHOULD BE UH, MIXED USE AS IT IS BECAUSE IT'S UP AGAINST THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS GONNA BE ALL RESIDENTIAL, ALL RESIDE.
IT'S GONNA LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME AS UH,
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WHEN THEY GET IT ALL BUILT OUT.THERE'S NOT, THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THEY HAVE A, THEY BOUGHT BIG LOT AND THEY ARE PLANNED.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE LAMAR, IT'S A PRE-PLANNED SUBDIVISION.
BUT USUALLY PLANNED GOVERNMENT UP TOWARDS THE BAYOU IS GONNA BE LIKE A PARK AREA.
YEAH, BASICALLY THIS ENTIRE GREEN LOT THAT HE'S GOT LIT UP IS GOING TO BACK UP EXACTLY LIKE THE GREEN LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SHOULD GO AHEAD AND BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
I AGREE THEM GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
THAT BEING SAID, LET'S ZOOM OUT.
IS THERE ANYTHING SOUTH OF THE BAYOU THAT WE'VE MISSED? NO, THAT WAS IT.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? COVERED? ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT 11 MORE MINUTES.
CAN YOU GO STRAIGHT ACROSS THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND ASK WHY THAT EXCUSE IS? WHAT IS THIS? OKAY.
UH, THAT'S THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF PAUL HOPKINS PARK, WHICH IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS IN FACT PAUL, PART OF PAUL HOPKINS PARK.
BUT WHO OWNS THAT? I THOUGHT THE COUNTY.
UH, WHY IS IT MIXED USE? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THINGS BEING FAIR AND EQUAL, I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
I MEAN NOBODY'S EVER GONNA BUILD THERE ANYWAY.
UNLESS THE COUNTY DECIDES TO SELL IT.
AND I'M GONNA KEEP US SOUTH OF FIVE 17 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA WRAP THIS PART UP.
AND SO I'D LIKE JUST TO HAVE A CLEAN LINE TO, TO WRAP UP ON.
SO YEAH, GOING, UH, EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT CALLING THAT ONE COMMERCIAL? YEAH.
SO COULD IT CLEAR AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL? AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL? YES SIR.
OR SHOULD WE CALL THAT SMALL COMMERCIAL FOR THAT MATTER? SMALL.
YOU COULD ONLY DO SMALL DOWN THERE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T USED THAT VERY MUCH.
SO
IT'S, IT'S A VERY USEFUL TOOL.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT SHOULD BE.
I THINK THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
IS THERE ANY I CAN TURN THE BUILDINGS BACK ON.
THEY'RE SMALL SCALE, UH, COMMERCIAL RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IS THAT ORANGE? THE, THE, UH, ORANGES RIGHT THERE.
I KEEP ON WANTING TO TOUCH IT.
WHAT? THAT THING, WE COULDN'T ALL TOUCH IT.
ANYWAY, LET, LET'S STAY SOUTH OF FIVE 17 AND UH, THAT WAY WE CAN WRAP THIS UP.
SORRY, WHERE WERE WE AT? OH, I LOST EVERYTHING.
THAT'S 'CAUSE YOUR, THAT STAY WHERE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO.
THAT'S WHAT MY MAP LOOKS LIKE WHEN I ACTIVE.
BUT THAT YOU, HAVE YOU SEEN THE MAP WITH THE FIRE HYDRANTS? IT'S THE SAME THING.
SO WE WERE LOOKING RIGHT HERE.
WHAT IS THAT? WHY DON'T I KNOW THIS ONE? BECAUSE THAT'S THE LOT THAT'S, UM, THERE.
WHERE'S THE LADIES SELL THE CLOTHES AND ALL THAT STUFF? OH YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
NO, THAT'S, NO, IT'S A LITTLE NOT EITHER.
WELL THAT WOULD ALL BE AUTOCENTRIC, RIGHT? OH, IT'S A HOUSE.
EVEN THAT WOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC.
SMALL, WELL, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL IS WHAT THEY HAD PUT.
I, I WOULDN'T FIGHT THAT TODAY.
BUT LET'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO TRY AND STAY SOUTH OF FIVE 17 IF WE CAN.
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THAT NOT THE, ISN'T THAT LIKE THE CONSERVATION TEXAS PARK AND WILDLIFE? THAT'S RIGHT.WHAT'S THIS BIG OLD THING NEXT TO IT? UH, IT IS UNDEVELOPED PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS GONNA BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT, BUT SO OKAY.
SO THAT'S GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, THAT BIG OLD LOT RIGHT THERE? YEP.
THEY CAN BUILD A SUBDIVISION IF THEY WANT.
SO AMANDA 1502 IS WHAT? THAT'S TEXAS PARK AND WILDLIFE TEXAS 1516 OWNED BY GEORGE JOHNSON.
THOSE ARE, WHAT IS IT? YEAH, THAT'S WEIRD.
WHAT IS IT? IT'S EMPTY LAWN, CORRECT? I THINK EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE ALL RESIDENTIAL UNTIL WE GET TO THAT LITTLE STRIP OF A WHY WOULD 1902, WHY WOULD THOSE BE RESIDENTIAL WHEN THEY'RE UP AGAINST FIVE 17? WHO'S THAT? WHAT'S 15? 16TH? YEAH.
ROBERT MARTELLI 1516 COULD BE A COMMERCIAL.
WHAT IS IT? PREFERABLY SMALL COMMERCIAL SINCE IT'S BACKING UP TO WELL IT'S ACTUALLY AGAINST THE CONSERVATION.
WHO CARES?
WHY IS THAT CLICK ON THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT OWNED BY ROBERT ALSO? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OWNERS.
UH, SO SOMETIMES WHEN A PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ASSIGNED AN ADDRESS.
I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO CALLING THAT ONE.
UH, IS THERE A HOUSE ON THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? NOPE.
WHAT IS THAT? THERE'S NOTHING.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE ROBERT MARTINELLI'S HOUSE IS.
WELL THEN IT'S NOT AN EMPTY LOT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE BLUE ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE.
I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO CALLING THAT ONE.
UH, AUTOCENTRIC IF ANYBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED AND THAT 1502 JUST IN CASE THEY EVER LEAVE.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT IS IF WE'RE GONNA DO ONE LOT, UH, IT WOULD LOOK BETTER ON THE ZONING MAP SPOT ZONING WISE IF THERE'S ADJACENT LOTS WITH THE SAME JUNK.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM
BECAUSE IF THEY EVER LEAVE THEN WE CAN TURN THAT INTO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS SET UP FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND TRAVIS, THE 1608, WHAT'S WITH, I MEAN, IS THAT A WHOLE BUNCH OF LOTS? I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE.
ISN'T THAT THE, WHERE THE HOUSE, THAT'S A HOUSE THAT BURNED DOWN WITH UH, SHIRLEY TEMPLE DO IT'S GONE.
IT'S ALL IN LA AS THEY SUB DIVIDED.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED IN THE PAST BUT NEVER REALLY DEVELOPED OUT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED.
IT BURNED DOWN LIKE, HUH? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PLOTTED BACK IN 2007.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? THE 0.15 ACRES? NO, I SAID IT LOOKS LIKE THIS AREA WAS RE PLATTED IN TWO.
YEAH, I'M SAYING THAT THE LOTS ARE 0.15 ACRES, BUT THAT'S A UH, THREE.
CAN YOU CLICK ON ANY ONE OF THOSE? BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ADDRESS TO 'EM, DO THEY? NO.
WELL, THERE'S A HOUSE OR SOMETHING NEXT TO WHERE? UH, LOT 13.
UH, WELL, WELL WHY DO WE DO THAT? WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEN CAN WE, OH, THIS AREA.
WHAT ABOUT THE TWO LOTS AT THE NORTH CALL, THOSE SMALL SCALE, THESE TWO? YEP.
EVERYTHING BELOW IT SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS KIND OF EXACTLY LIKE THE LOTS AT THE END OF EVERGREEN.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE ON FIVE 17, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY ON IT.
SO THOSE SHOULD BE, PEOPLE CAN PUT OFFICES THERE, WHATEVER THEY WANT THAT WOULD.
'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL THIS ANYWAY.
SO THIS, THIS BEING COMMERCIAL, ALL OF THIS OR NOT ALL OF IT? I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST TWO.
THE ONE'S, UH, THE, THE NORTH MOST TWO LOTS.
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IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME OWNER AS THESE, AS THESE LOTS.WHAT, WHAT IS IT? IT HAS ALL KINDS OF BUILDINGS ON IT.
I THINK THEY'RE JUST OUT BUILDINGS.
THEY CLEARED ALL OF OUR REPLANTED THAT WITH THE INTENTIONS OF DEVELOPING IT.
NEVER DID THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS.
THOSE ARE AWFUL SMALL LOTS THOUGH.
WHERE'S THE RIGHT OF WAY TO GET TO 'EM ALL? YEAH.
UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN IF THEY ARE ALREADY PLATTED AS INDIVIDUALS, WE'LL CALL THESE, IT'S THE DEVELOPER'S HEADACHE.
THESE TWO LOTS RIGHT HERE ARE AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO WHY THEY DO HAVE ACCESS, WHY WON'T WE JUST DO IT ALL, ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THAT AND ALL OF THAT.
WELL, WELL THERE'S, IT'S KIND OF, OF YEAH, IT'S GEARED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ROBERT'S HOME.
AND THEN THIS ONE HERE, THE 1608, ALL THESE BY VIRTUE OF THE SIZE OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, THE ONLY THING THAT COULD EVER BE ON THEM IS UH, A SMALL RESIDENCE.
IT'S AN, UH, AN EIGHTH OF AN ACRE.
EACH ONE OF THESE LOTS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REPL IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S PLOTTED TO THIS MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING ALL THIS SHOULD STAY GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, THESE TWO SHOULD GO AUTO, UH, SMALL SCALE.
HOW DO THEY GET TO IT? THE ONES DOWN BELOW? NO IDEA.
THAT'S THE DEVELOPER'S CONCERN.
WHAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
WHAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IS WHENEVER THEY DO REPL, IF THEY EVER DO, IS THEY, IS THE STANDARDS THEY WOULD BE HELD TO DURING THE REPL.
AND MR 1620 TO THE RIGHT MIGHT BE WILLING TO GIVE UP SOME OF HIS PROPERTY SINCE HE ALREADY OWNS IT TO PROVIDE THE ACCESS TO ALL OF IT.
AND MR. AND MR 1620 WANTS TO SELL EACH ONE OF THESE LOTS THAT HE PAID TO GET REPLANTED.
HE'S GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME OF HIS LOT FOR RIGHT OF WAY TO ALLOW ACCESS TO GET INTO ALL THIS.
BUT I KIND OF SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH, TO DO 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
JUST YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU DON'T SEE THE LITTLE SEPARATIONS, YOU'D, YOU'D SAY IT'S ALL ALL LADIES.
WE'RE I'M WITH ALL RESPECT IN THE WORLD, NOT TRYING TO BE SHORT BY ANY MEANS.
I DON'T WANT TO HANG UP ON US TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAYS IS ON, ON PLATTED PROPERTIES THAT I DON'T REALLY CARE.
WE'RE NOT SAYING, SAYING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE YOU ONE TO GO MORE AUTOCENTRIC DOWN INTO THOSE OR JUST SAY THE WHOLE THING.
I MAKE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 WOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUSINESS.
WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS ARE YOU GONNA GET? A DONUT SHOP? NO, NO, NO.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SMALL SCALE COMMUNITY, EXCUSE ME, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL, KEEP IN MIND WHERE I LIVE ON THORNWOOD, UH, EXCUSE ME, ON UH, EVERGREEN, WE HAVE FOUR LOTS AT THE END OF IT THAT ARE LITERALLY THE SIZE OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
BUT THEY FACE FIVE 17, NOBODY'S GONNA PUT A HOME ON IT.
THEY WERE RESIDENTIAL FOREVER.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANTED TO ACTUALLY PUT A BUSINESS, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT A A, A DRY CLEANER.
THEY WANTED TO PUT A DRY CLEANER.
WE HAVE A DENTIST OFFICE, WE HAVE A ZEN SPA, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER LOT.
THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE IN THOSE LOTS.
WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY PUTTING A BIG, YOU KNOW, 50 CAR PARKING LOT ON THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE IN THEORY THAT IS GOING TO, TO PEOPLE'S HOMES DOWN BELOW IT.
SO WHAT, HOW MANY FEET IS THAT? WHAT 79 LOOKING AT CAN ONLY TAKE THOSE TWO WE CAN'T TAKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOU GAVE THEM FOUR.
SO YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING WITH 71.
SO IT IS PROBABLY A FAIR ARGUMENT TO LOOK AT THE LOT DEPTH OF THESE TWO.
UH, THE LOT DEPTH OF THE FRONT LOTS IS ROUGHLY 80 FEET.
UH, IF WE DID DOUBLE THAT TO THESE BACK LOTS, AT LEAST WE'D GIVEN ROUGHLY 140 FEET.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, THEN TRAVIS, IF YOU WOULD SLIDE ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF EVERGREEN, TELL ME THE DEPTH OF THAT LOT.
AND I, I I HEAR YOU MARJORIE, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA FIND IT'S PROBABLY 80 TO A HUNDRED FEET.
IT'S JUST, IT'S THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.
BUT THAT ONE BUSINESS, THAT INSURANCE BUSINESS IS ALWAYS LIKE THERE.
IT WAS A, IT WAS UM, 74 FEET GRANDFATHER.
YOU CAN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE IN THERE.
AND WE DON'T WANT YOU TO, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE FIVE OR SIX PARKING SPOTS.
AND IN THIS CASE, THIS GUY WAS WANTING TO PUT A, UH, A DRY CLEANER IN THERE.
NOT DRY CLEANER LIKE CHEMICALS AND EVERYTHING, BUT DRY CLEANER, COME DROP YOUR STUFF OFF AND GET OFF MY PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
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YEAH.UH, WHERE WAS I? LIKE THE INSURANCE OFFICE.
ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S ALSO 8 33.
I ASKED THE QUESTION, DO WE WANT TO ADJOURN OR DO WE WANT TO NO, I HAVE TO GO CLOSE THE RESTAURANT.
WE NEED TO ADJOURN AND I STILL HAVE TO DO TWO ERY BOARD.
UH, THEN I WILL FIRST MAKE A STATEMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE MADE IT UP TO EVERYTHING SOUTH OF FIVE 17 UP TO LOT 1620.
AND THEN BASICALLY WE STILL HAVE EVERYTHING NORTH OF FIVE 17 TO DISCUSS WITHIN REASON AROUND, UH, UH, THE OTHER AREAS ON THE SIXTH.
SO BEFORE WE ADJOURN, DID WE HAVE A FINAL DECISION? I KNOW THESE TWO LOTS WE'RE GONNA DO SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS AREA THAT WE WERE GONNA CHANGE? UH, 15, 16, 15 0 2.
AND WITH THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.