Dec 09, 2025 City Council

US TO NUMBER THREE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

THAT LEADS

[3. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS]

UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS CONCERNING ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN OR DISCUSSED.

COUNCIL MEMBER'S COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0 4 1 5.

SO THREE A COUNCIL COMMENTS, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT.

WE'LL DO, UH, FROM COMAN EDMONDS.

WE'LL START WITH YOU AND MOVE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.

SO THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE HERE AND LISTENING IN ONLINE.

UH, HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A, A GREAT THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY AND ALTHOUGH I WAS UNABLE TO, UH, PARTICIPATE, I WANT TO EXTEND A THANK YOU AGAIN TO, UH, GAYLAND AND BILL FOR THEIR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO HOST A CHRISTMAS BOAT PARADE THAT WENT ON.

UH, ALSO WANNA EXTEND A THANK YOU TO THE ROTARY CLUB FOR HOSTING OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE.

UM, LAST NIGHT, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE A GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY ALL.

AND UM, ALSO LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO DICKINSON HIGH SCHOOL VARSITY FOOTBALL TEAM WHO HAD AN AMAZING SEASON.

FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY AT 7:00 PM TICK, YOU CAN BUY TICKETS ONLINE OR BUY THEM AT THE DOOR.

UH, THIS YEAR.

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.

IT WAS FUN TO WATCH.

UH, AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANKS EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT.

UH, UH, I ATTENDED AN EDC MEETING BAY TREND, UH, DRAINAGE MEETING.

BUT, UH, TRUE AND DEAR TO MY HEART WAS ALIGHTED BOAT PARADE.

WE HAD EIGHT BOATS THIS YEAR.

WE HAD FOUR OF THEM DECORATED AND READY TO GO.

AND MOTHER NATURE SAID, LET THERE NOT BE ANY WATER IN THE BAYOU .

AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO LAUNCH THE BOATS, BUT WE HAD GOOD TIME FOR ALL.

WE ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD, UH, OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE AT THEIR HOMES WATCHING THE PARADE.

THEY HAD BIG PARTIES AND COOKOUTS AND EVERYTHING.

IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE THE COMMUNITY COME OUT LIKE THAT.

UH, THE EDC BOARD MEMBER, DEREK CORK AND HIS FAMILY WON FIRST PLACE ON BEST DECORATED AND MOST SPIRITED ON THEIR SNOWMAN BOAT.

AND IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING TO SEE.

WE HAD THE ROTARY CHRISTMAS PARADE AND, UH, IT HAD A GREAT TURNOUT LAST NIGHT.

UM, WE, THE BAND BY ITSELF WAS A THOUSAND MEMBERS.

WE HAD, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOLER, BOTH JUNIOR HIGHS AND EVERY CHEERLEADER AND TWIRLER AND ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UH, BEFORE WE COULD GET ALL OF THE FLOATS OUT ONTO FIVE 17, THE FRONT OF THE PARADE HAD ALREADY REACHED HIGHWAY THREE, SO WE STRETCHED OUT THAT FAR.

UH, I WANT TO THANK SOME PEOPLE WITH THE ROTARY, OBVIOUSLY THE ROTARY FOR PUTTING THIS ON AND THE HARD WORK THAT THEY DID.

BUT CITY STAFF, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, GREG TRENTHAM, WHO IS SICK TONIGHT WITH, UH, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND MOST OF ALL THE DICKINSON VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR HELPING PUT THAT ON WITHOUT THEIR, UH, WORK ON THIS PARADE, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.

UH, A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS IN THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT AND HELPED, UH, PUT THAT ON THERE.

UH, IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE THAT IT WAS QUITE A, QUITE AN EVENT.

UM, AS COUNCILMAN EDMOND SAID, CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE DICKINSON FOOTBALL TEAM.

I WAS SITTING THERE IN THE STADIUM AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT IT BROKE OUR HEARTS.

NOT FOR, UH, US SITTING IN THE STADIUM, BUT WATCHING THOSE YOUNG MEN THAT HAD WORKED SO HARD TO GET TO THIS POINT.

UH, WE'RE VERY, VERY PROUD OF 'EM.

THEY WERE CLASS ACTS OUT THERE.

UM, I WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IS DOING THEIR CHRISTMAS PLAY.

IT IS THE CHRISTMAS CAROL.

IT IS PUT ON BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE ACT THE PLAY.

THEY DID IT LAST YEAR.

IT WAS WONDERFUL.

UH, IT IS THIS

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IT'S WORTH COMING OUT, BRINGING THE KIDDOS TO SEE THIS THING.

UH, I WANNA WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

WELCOME TO THOSE HERE AND ONLINE.

I'D LIKE TO ALSO WISH ALL OF YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS.

HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY.

UH, I'LL GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE DICKINSON FESTIVAL LIGHTS.

I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF MAN HOURS, SO YOU GO BY AND VISIT THAT.

AND ONE OTHER, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT, BUT, UH, THE HOUSE ON WINDMILL LANE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, YOU NEED TO GO BY AND SEE IT OFF OF OWENS DRIVE OVER THERE.

IT'S FANTASTIC.

THAT GUY'S DONE A GREAT JOB.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

I'M GOING TO GET OFF OF MY PATH VERY, I NORMALLY I JUST SAY, WELCOME EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT.

AND THAT'S IT.

BUT THERE WAS A POST I READ YESTERDAY ON FACEBOOK, AND OF COURSE, EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO GO FIND IT, YOU NEVER CAN.

SO I WANNA, UH, MAYOR'S GONNA INDULGE ME TO ANSWER A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT THE GUY HAD.

I'M NOT GONNA CALL ANY NAMES, BUT HE HAD SOME GOOD POINTS.

HE ASKED WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE A FIREWORKS DISPLAY IN DICKINSON.

SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TOLD HIM SOMETHING ABOUT YOU'D SET THE GRASS ON FIRE AND THE TREES AND ALL THAT.

WE POP FIRECRACKERS ALL YEAR LONG.

AND WE, WE DO DO THAT 'CAUSE ME AND MR. SCOTT HAVE TO GET UP AND GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, GO HELP PUT 'EM OUT.

BUT THE CITY HAS GIVEN AWAY ENOUGH MONEY THAT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE ATTORNEY HAS SAID WAS NOT PROPERLY GIVEN TO ORGANIZATIONS.

AND IF THAT'S TRUE, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY THAT DIG INTO, COULD PUT ON THEIR OWN FIREWORKS DISPLAY FOR THE 4TH OF JULY.

AND, UH, THE SCHOOL CAN PUT ONE ON FOR GRADUATION WITHOUT BURNING THE TOWN DOWN.

YOU WOULD THINK THE CITY COULD PUT ONE ON FOR THEIR RESIDENTS WITHOUT BURNING THE TOWN DOWN.

ANOTHER POINT HE HAD WAS THE FIELD ACROSS THE STREET FOR THE, FOR A CHRISTMAS, UH, FESTIVAL AND PARKING FOR THE FESTIVAL LIGHTS.

THE FESTIVAL LIGHTS PARK AT THE, UH, TRUE CROSS CHURCH OUT BY THE FREEWAY.

AND IT'S A LOGISTICAL REASON FOR THAT.

IT'S CLOSER.

THEY PAY FOR SO MUCH HOUR PER HOUR I THINK FOR THE BUS DRIVERS.

AND THEY HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH MILEAGE FOR THE BUSES.

SO THE RETURN ROUTE TO GO FROM THE CHURCH OR EVEN WHEN IT WAS OUT BY BOOT KICKERS DOWN MAPLE, IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT INTO THE PARK.

AND THEN THE BUSES CAN GET OUT.

IT'S A LOGISTICAL, UH, DEAL, BUT IT'S ALSO A MILEAGE DEAL THAT COSTS MONEY.

AND THAT'S A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION.

THEY DO RECEIVE SOME MONEY FROM THE CITY, BUT IT'S RAISED ON, UH, VOLUNTEER, UH, MONEY THAT PEOPLE DONATE WHEN THEY COME INTO THE PARK.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY DON'T PARK DOWN HERE.

AND THE REASON I KNOW IT'S A LOGISTICAL AND MONEY REASON BECAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH THE FESTIVAL LIGHTS ENOUGH TO HEAR THE BOARD MEMBERS DISCUSS IT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY DO IT, WOULDN'T DO IT.

AND IT WOULD WORK IN GOOD, AS YOU MENTIONED FOR PARKING FOR THE FESTIVAL LIGHTS THAT THEY HAD, THE PUBLIC MARKET.

'CAUSE WHEN IT WAS OUT AT BOOT KICKERS, PEOPLE WENT INTO BOOT KICKERS AND THEY WENT AND THEY DID LITTLE MEXICO BEFORE HARVEY AND ALL THAT.

AND IT PICKED THEIR BUSINESS UP 'CAUSE PEOPLE WERE SITTING THERE PARKING THE CARS.

SO THAT'S TO HIS POINT, HE HAD SOME GOOD POINTS AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS 'EM 'CAUSE I'D PROBABLY REALLY MESS IT UP IF I DID IT ON FACEBOOK.

NOW TO THE IMPORTANT STUFF, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE DICKINSON GATORS ON A FINE OUTSTANDING FOOTBALL SEASON.

WATCH ALMOST ALL OF THEIR GAMES.

BUT NOT ONLY THAT, YOU'VE GOT THE CHEERLEADERS, THE BAND, THE FLAG COURT, THE DICKINSON DIAMONDS, THE ROTC GUYS, ALL THOSE, THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE DO THE, UH, DISPLAY UP ON THE BOARD.

ALL THOSE KIDS NEED OUR CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE FINE WORK THEY DID.

AGAIN, THE BOAT PARADE, I GOT TO WATCH IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THIS YEAR.

ALL THE BOATS WERE LIT UP REAL NICE.

IT WAS PRETTY, UH, THE ROTARY PARADE.

I'M NORMALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PARADE THIS YEAR.

I WAS AT THE END OF THE PARADE WITH SANDY CLAUS ON TOP OF THE TRUCK.

SO I GOT TO WATCH EVERYTHING PULL OUT A SPRUCE ON THAT.

UH, AGAIN, REMEMBER THE FESTIVAL LIGHT RUNS THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND AGAIN, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY AND HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU GET A CROSS SECTION OF ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE, UH, WORKING TOGETHER TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, COUNCIL, UH, STAFF CITIZENS.

WELCOME, UH, TO THOSE WHO ARE BOTH IN PERSON AND ONLINE.

UH, I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A, UH, GREAT THANKSGIVING AND WOULD ALSO WANT TO WISH YOU ALL A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

I WANT TO ECHO EVERYONE ELSE'S SENTIMENTS ABOUT THE DICKINSON, UH, GATORS FOOTBALL TEAM AND EVERYONE ELSE.

BAND, UH, UH, CHEERLEADERS, DANCERS, UH, HIGH SCHOOL, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE INVOLVED IN LIKE SPORTS OR CLUBS OR ANYTHING THAT'S PROBABLY LIKE THE LAST TIME IN

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AND, AND IT, ONCE YOU GET OUT OF THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE SAME IF YOU GO TO COLLEGE OR GO STRAIGHT TO THE WORKFORCE.

LIFE KIND OF GETS PRETTY ROUTINE AND MONOTONOUS.

SO, UH, THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO STEP OUT AND, AND AND DO SOMETHING AND WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL, THAT IS AWESOME.

UH, BUT THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS, MAYOR.

THEY'RE GONNA REPAINT, RESIGN.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

WELL, SAME THING.

I WILL, UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH OR HOWEVER MANY TO THE DICKINS AND GATORS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FESTIVAL HEIGHTS.

LIKE I SAID, ALL THOSE COMMENTS, BY THE TIME IT GETS TO ME, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE .

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, COOL.

UH, BUT NO, I DO HAVE ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD TO EVERYONE ELSE'S COMMENTS.

UM, OR TWO THINGS.

UM, SO ANOTHER, UH, COMPETITION THAT DOES NOT USUALLY IS NOT SEEN AS MUCH.

SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THE DICKINSON GATOR BAND AS A MARCHING BAND.

UM, MOST OF THOSE KIDS NOW ARE GOING INTO WHAT'S CALLED REGION BAND COMPETITION.

STATE BAND.

IT'S THEIR MO IT'S THEIR INDIVIDUAL, UH, ABILITY TO SHOW THEIR TALENTS.

AND, UH, SO MY SON IS A FRESHMAN IN THAT, IN THE BAND.

AND, UM, THOSE KIDS HAVE BEEN WORKING HOURS AND HOURS IN THE SAME THING.

JUST WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE AT, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL JUST KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING SOME PRETTY AMAZING THINGS OVER THERE.

UM, AND IT'S 'CAUSE THEY PUSH 'EM, THEY PUSH 'EM REALLY HARD.

THE BIG THING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, UM, LAST WEEK I TALKED TO DAVID ZARO OVER AT TDOT.

UM, I HAD SOME COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS ABOUT FIVE 17 AND 45.

UH, WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT TURN LANE TAKING JUST A LEFT AND THEN ONE GOES LEFT AND STRAIGHT.

UM, SEEMS LIKE EVERY PERSON IN THEIR MOM WANTS TO GO STRAIGHT IN THE TURN ONLY LANE.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME WRECKS.

UM, THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I BROUGHT UP TO HIM IS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE AN ENTRANCE RAMP RIGHT THERE.

SO THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING THROUGH THAT LIGHT SPECIFICALLY IS GOING NORTH.

UM, SO WHAT HE AGREED TO DO, BECAUSE WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IT AS A TALK TO MR. CAREY ABOUT THE POLICE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAINTAINING THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

BUT WE, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MANPOWER.

SO, UH, MR. LAZARO SAID, UH, THEY WILL WORK ON GETTING THAT INTERSECTION FIXED.

SO WE WILL ONLY HAVE ONE TURN LANE WITH THE GOING STRAIGHT, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO WILL BE EITHER STRAIGHT OR TAKEN A RIGHT.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO AVOID THAT PROBLEM JUST BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE, ARE GETTING HIT RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY ALL TEMPORARY UNTIL CONSTRUCTION'S DONE.

UM, BUT HE SAID HE IS GONNA START WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

SO I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH HIM IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS JUST TO, IF I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING, I DRIVE THAT ROAD EVERY SINGLE MORNING.

SO, UH, I WILL BE ON THEM.

UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN GO INTO WHAT'S UP IF, IF I MAY NOT, NOT DELIBERATING DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT I JUST WANT TO ADD, I THINK IT'S GOOD IF WE HOP ON THAT AND MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, SOME EXTERNAL RESOURCES.

UH, BECAUSE MY CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH CHUCK WIMPLE, HE SAID FIVE 17 AND 45 IS ACTUALLY THE MOST, ACCORDING TO DATA, THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION IN THE 13 COUNTY REGION.

AND, AND I NEED TO, I NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION SO I CAN BRING THAT UP TO MISS.

I'VE BUILT A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, SO HE ACTUALLY ANSWERS MY PHONE CALLS EVERY TIME I CALL HIM NOW.

UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO HIM.

SO WITH THAT BE THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, GO TO YOU WITH THE CITY MANAGER UPDATE.

SCHEDULE AND IS PROGRESSING TECHNICALLY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL STAFF, RESIDENTS OF OUR GREAT COMMUNITY.

LAST WEEK WAS A DIFFICULT ONE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY IN GALVESTON COUNTY.

WE LOST TWO HEROES FROM OUR NEIGHBORING AGENCIES, LIEUTENANT ERIC COX AND SERGEANT RICHARD GARCIA BOTH COURAGEOUSLY BATTLED CANCER.

NOW, I DID NOT KNOW LIEUTENANT COX PERSONALLY, BUT I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO DID.

HE WAS DEEPLY RESPECTED AND WILL BE GREATLY MISSED.

I DID KNOW SERGEANT GARCIA VERY WELL FROM MY TIME IN LAMAR.

MY HEART GOES OUT TO HIS WIFE AMANDA, HIS FAMILY, HIS LOVED ONES, AND HIS COWORKERS.

ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, WE EXTEND OUR DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS OF LIEUTENANT COX, SERGEANT GARCIA, AS WELL AS THE LEAGUE CITY AND LAMAR POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

WE STAND UNITED WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES DURING THIS TIME OF LOSS, HONORING THEIR LEGACY OF SERVICE.

MAY GOD BLESS THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES ONTO SOME CITY BUSINESS.

I WANNA THANK CHIEF ZEN, EXCUSE ME AND NINA BAKER, DIRECTOR OF THE BAYOU ANIMAL SERVICES FOR THEIR EFFORTS.

OVER THE WEEKEND SATURDAY, WE HELD AN EVENT OUTSIDE OF BOOT BARN ON THE FEEDER ROAD FOR A BLUE SANTA DRIVE TO COLLECT TOYS FOR THE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE HAD OUR SHELTER DOGS OUT THERE, UH, IN ATTEMPT TO FIND THEM FOREVER HOMES.

I KNOW WE COLLECTED MANY TOYS THAT DAY AND DID SOME GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS.

SO CHIEF NINA, OUR STAFF, OUR VOLUNTEERS, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

THE HUGHES ROAD DRAINAGE PROJECT REMAINS ON

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WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE REACHED 63% COMPLETION.

IT IS EXPECTED THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETED IN OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE WAYS TO GO.

UH, TO BE CANDID WITH YOU, THIS PROJECT CONSUMES MOST OF OUR TIME, MR. MAGNO, MYSELF, AND IS THE BIGGEST HEADACHE AND CONCERN WE INHERITED.

MY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS AND RESIDENTS ON HUGHES ROAD, IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS WHERE THIS PROJECT IS BEING, IS BEING WORKED.

THE ROADWAY IN THE, IN THE, IN ITS CONDITION ARE REAL CONCERNS OF OURS AS WELL.

WE ARE ADDRESSING THEM THROUGH DISCUSSIONS AND MEETINGS WITH OUR ENGINEERS, OUR CONTRACTORS.

WE WILL SEE THIS PROJECT THROUGH AND WE WILL BE BETTER FOR IT.

BUT I KNOW IT IS FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF US.

THIS IS JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER.

PLEASE BE PATIENT AND COURTEOUS WHEN DRIVING IN CONSTRUCTION IN SCHOOL ZONES.

UH, ROAD WORK.

UPDATE THE SERVICE ROAD NEAR MCDONALD'S OFF FIVE 17.

THIS HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING, MASSIVE POTHOLE ON THE SERVICE ROAD, CONNECTING FIVE 17 TO MCDONALD'S FOR A LONG TIME.

AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I CAN CONSTANTLY HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I SEE IT FIRSTHAND EVERY WEEKEND.

UH, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO OWNED IT, WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE, WHETHER IT IS TDO A PRIVATE DRIVE, BUT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, IT IS AN ABANDONED RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE ARE REPAIRING IT.

PUBLIC WORKS CREWS HAVE BEGUN THE REPAIRS WE DID, THE LOCATES WE SAW CUTTING THE DAMAGED AREA, REMOVING IT, AND MAKING THE NECESSARY REPAIRS TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY.

SO PLEASE USE CAUTION WHEN DRIVING THROUGH THIS AREA.

UH, WE BELIEVE IT'LL BE, UH, COMPLETED IN A FEW DAYS, THE END OF THE WEEK, WEATHER PERMITTING.

UH, TOMORROW I WILL BE AT HUGHES ROAD ELEMENTARY, UH, SPEAKING TO THE CHILDREN FOR CAREER DAY.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

TEACHING THE KIDS ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT, WHAT THE CITY DOES, WHAT CITY MANAGEMENT IS, AND REALLY IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW WE HELP THE COMMUNITY.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

BEFORE WE, UH, JUMP INTO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD UPDATE, YOU KNOW, LAST MEETING I ANNOUNCED THAT MRS. BRIANNA LONG, WHO HAS SERVED AS THE INTERIM LIBRARY DIRECTOR SINCE MARCH, HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY APPOINTED TO THE FULL-TIME LIBRARY DIRECTOR.

SO, UH, AS I STATED BEFORE, MRS. LONG EMBODIES THE QUALITIES THAT I VALUE THE MOST.

PROFESSIONALISM, RESPECT, KINDNESS, A GENUINE WILLINGNESS TO HELP OTHERS.

SHE REPRESENTS THE STANDARD OF EX EXCELLENCE THAT WE STRIVE FOR IN THIS ORGANIZATION.

SO BEFORE YOU GIVE YOUR UPDATE MS. LONG, I WANNA INVITE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY UP FRONT.

WE CAN TAKE A PHOTO AND, UH, RECOGNIZE YOU AND ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

SO PLEASE COME ON UP.

THANK YOU .

THERE WAS ONE MORE DOING THE FAMILY SOMETHING PAYING.

MY SHINY BALD HEAD THERE.

RIGHT THERE, .

CARING, CLOSE-KNIT, AND INCREDIBLY WELCOMING.

UH, MOST OF YOU KNOW ME, BUT MY NAME IS BRIANNA LONG AND I'M HONORED TO SERVE AS THE NEW DIRECTOR, UM, OF THE DICKINSON PUBLIC LIBRARY.

I'M TRULY EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ALONGSIDE YOU AND CONTINUE SERVING THE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY.

UH, WHEN I BECAME A LIBRARIAN, MY HEART WAS ALWAYS IN CHILDREN'S SERVICES.

I PREVIOUSLY WORKED AT THE ROSENBERG LIBRARY AS A CHILDREN'S LIBRARIAN.

AND WHEN I FIRST VISITED DICKINSON, THE PEOPLE HERE IMMEDIATELY REMINDED ME OF MY SMALL HOMETOWN IN EAST TEXAS.

WITH SO MANY YOUNG FAMILIES AND CHILDREN IN THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S BEEN A JOY TO SERVE THEM AND WATCH OUR PROGRAMS FLOURISH.

A LITTLE ABOUT MY BACKGROUND IS, UM, I HOLD AN ASSOCIATES OF SCIENCE, A DEGREE IN MARITIME ARCHEOLOGY AND MUSEUM STUDIES, AND A MASTER OF INFORMATION IN LIBRARY SCIENCE WITH A SPECIALIZATION IN YOUTH SERVICES, LIBRARIES AND EDUCATION ARE TRULY MY PASSION AND MY LIFE REVOLVES AROUND SERVING FAMILIES AND LEARNING, UM, LEARNERS OF ALL AGES.

I'VE ALSO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF ADVISING THE DICKINSON YOUTH ACTION COUNCIL, UM, DE ALONGSIDE JENNIFER FOR THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

IN ADDITION, I SERVE AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR THE TEXAS TWO BY TWO COMMITTEE AWARD LIST, WHICH, UH, SELECTS 20 OUTSTANDING TITLES EACH YEAR FOR CHILDREN'S AGES TO TWO, UM, THROUGH THE SECOND GRADE FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.

I HAVE ONE MORE LEFT ON THIS COMMITTEE.

AND IT'S BEEN A JOY TO PARTICIPATE AND WORK IN, UM, WORK THAT DIRECTLY SUPPORTS EARLY LITERACY ACROSS THE STATE.

NOW, AS DIRECTOR, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND MY FOCUS AND SERVE OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST CHILDREN.

MY GOAL HAS BEEN TO CREATE WELCOMING SPACES, MEANINGFUL PROGRAMMING AND COLLECTIONS THAT SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS OF ALL AGES.

FREE AND ACCESSIBLE PROGRAMMING FOR CHILDREN REMAINS A CORE PRIORITY, BUT IT'S BEEN TRULY HEARTWARMING TO SEE HOW MANY OF THESE MOMENTS MEAN TO THE FAMILIES WHO ATTEND.

THIS YEAR, I HAVE, UM, COMPLETED

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A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.

SINCE STEPPING INTO THE INTERIM ROLE AND NOW THE OFFICIAL DIRECTOR'S POSITION, MY TEAM AND I HAVE ALSO FULLY REVAMPED THE LIBRARY'S WEBSITE AND DEVELOPED A COMPREHENSIVE 42 PAGE POLICY PROCEDURE, MANUAL, MANUAL.

AN IMPORTANT STEP FROM THE FIVE SHORT DOCUMENTS WE PREVIOUSLY HAD.

THESE IMPROVEMENTS HELP ENSURE CLARITY, CONSISTENCY, AND A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR THE LIBRARY'S FUTURE.

FROM A GROWTH PERSPECTIVE, LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE ADDED MORE THAN 1,100 NEW LIBRARY ACCOUNTS.

WE'RE ALREADY WORKING TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER AGAIN THIS YEAR, AND WE'VE CIRCULATED OVER 15,000 MORE ITEMS THAN WE DID LAST YEAR.

AN INCREDIBLE ACHIEVEMENT THAT SPEAKS HOW MUCH OUR COMMUNITY VALUES READING AND LIFELONG LEARNING.

A MAJOR COMPONENT OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOCUSES ON SUPPORTING DISD STUDENTS.

WE ARE ALIGNING OUR YOUTH BOOK PURCHASING WITH DISD CURRICULUM NEEDS.

I'VE BEEN COLLABORATING CLOSELY WITH TEACHERS AND SCHOOL LIBRARIANS TO ENSURE THE SHELVES REFLECT THE RESOURCES THE STUDENTS NEED MOST.

UH, RECENTLY, UM, LAST WEEKEND WE HOSTED OUR SANTA EVENT AND WE HAD OVER 150 ATTENDEES THANKS TO THE GENEROSITY OF THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY.

EVERY CHILD LEFT WITH A BOOK IN THEIR HAND.

UM, IT WAS A MAGICAL MOMENT.

AND I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE OUR OUTSTANDING STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS WHO WORK SO HARD TO MAKE THAT EVENT SO MEMORABLE FOR ALL OF THE KIDS AND FAMILIES IN OUR C COMMUNITY THAT DON'T NECESSARILY GET THE CHANCE TO SEE SANTA.

UM, LOOKING AHEAD THIS MONTH, WE HAVE A CLOTHING AND TOY DRIVE, UM, DECEMBER 22ND AND 23RD.

SO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO DONATE ANY GENTLY USED ITEMS, CLOTHES, TOYS, OR ANYTHING, PLEASE BRING 'EM TO THE LIBRARY.

WE'LL COME OUT AND GET 'EM FROM YOUR CAR.

WE'LL GRAB 'EM WHERE WE'RE GETTING ALL THESE THINGS FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, JUST IN CASE ANYBODY NEEDS ANYTHING FOR THE HOLIDAYS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE 22ND AND 23RD.

THEY CAN COME PICK UP THESE THINGS IF THEY NEED SOME LAST MINUTE HELP.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FUN PROGRAMS PLANNED FOR, UM, SCHOOL BREAK, INCLUDING A FANCY NANCY TEA PARTY, A TEDDY BEAR SLEEPOVER, ALL KINDS OF FUN STUFF.

UM, LASTLY, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY.

I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE GRATITUDE FOR THE TREMENDOUS SUPPORT I'VE RECEIVED FROM MATT AND CHASE FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS.

EVERYONE AT CITY HALL HAS BEEN SO WELCOMING, HELPFUL, AND ALWAYS READY TO ASSIST.

I ALSO WANNA THANK SARAH CLARK, WHO WAS AN ABSOLUTE LIFESAVER DURING THE, UM, CLOSING OF BUDGET SEASON WITH EVERYTHING HAPPENING AND INCLUDING ME WELCOMING MY NEWEST BABY, UM, I COULDN'T HAVE MANAGED IT ALL WITHOUT HER AND HER TEAM'S GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE AT CITY HALL.

UM, I COULDN'T NAME EVERYBODY, BUT IT, HR, EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY, UM, KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE ALL OF Y'ALL.

UH, IT'S AMAZING.

UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR TRUSTING ME WITH THIS ROLE.

I'M PROUD TO SERVE DICKINSON AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR WORK TOGETHER WITH YOUR SUPPORT, WE WILL ENSURE THAT DICKINSON PUBLIC LIBRARY REMAINS A CORNERSTONE OF LEARNING, CONNECTION AND COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I THINK YOU PICKED THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

FOUR, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.

COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE.

UM, ALL RIGHT, SO THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS MS. SARAH NAVA AND IS, UH, DAWN KING, ARE YOU Y'ALL TWO WANTING TO COME TOGETHER? OKAY.

NAVA.

SARAH NAVA IN A VA.

WANTED TO DO IT FOR A LONG TIME.

SO SARAH NAVA, 42 12 KANSAS AVENUE.

UM, LAST WEEKEND ON NOVEMBER 29TH, WE HOSTED A HOLIDAY MARKET AT THE DEPOT.

WE DID RAISE SOME MONEY TO HELP PUT TOWARDS SOME REPAIRS.

IT WASN'T A WHOLE LOT, BUT WE ARE PROUD TO SAY THAT WE DID RAISE $2,666 TO GO TOWARDS REPAIRS FOR THE DEPOT AND HELP SAVE IT.

UM, WE HAD 35, SORRY, 38 VENDORS.

WE'VE HAD TWO, UM, DONORS, PRIVATE DONORS THAT DONATED SOME MONEY ALSO, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THAT PRICE, UM, THAT WE RAISED.

UM, AND WE HAD ABOUT 250 PEOPLE COME OUT TO THE DEPOT.

AND WE HAD SANTA, WE HAD PICTURES WITH SANTA.

UM, EVERYBODY LOVED THE DEPOT AND ASKED, WHY IS THE DEPOT NOT FOR RENT? I'VE HAD MANY QUESTIONS WHILE WE WERE SITTING IN THERE TALKING WITH SANTA, WHY IS THIS PLACE NOT FOR RENT? UM, I SAID, GO TALK TO CITY HALL .

SO, UM, IT WAS AN HONOR TO RAISE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL, UM, HELP KEEP THE DEPOT, UM, AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR FUTURE.

I'M DAWN KING, 2 5 2 1 OVERLAND TRAIL.

AND I HAVE THE WONDERFUL JOB OF THANKING SOME PEOPLE FOR THEIR HELP.

FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO THANK DEBBIE TURNER BECAUSE THIS WAS REALLY HER, HER HEART, AND SHE'S

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SHE FINALLY HAD THE TIME TO WORK ON IT, AND NOTHING WOULD'VE HAPPENED HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR HER.

SO WE'RE SO GRATEFUL TO HER AND I WAS GRATEFUL.

I DIDN'T KNOW HER.

SHE CALLED AND ASKED IF I WOULD HELP HER, AND I WAS SO HAPPY, AND IN THE END, SO PROUD TO BE A PART OF IT.

SO, THANK DEBBIE.

THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, OF COURSE, WAS THERE TO HELP US, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SUPPORTED OUR EFFORTS, UM, SPECIFICALLY KEVIN EDMONDS AND SCOTT SCHRADER.

BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT OTHERS, IT'S JUST NOBODY THAT REALLY SPOKE OUT OR, UH, OR HELPED US WITH ANYTHING.

SO, THANKS TO ANYBODY WHO SUPPORTS IT.

OF COURSE, THE WHEDON WISH GARDEN CLUB.

THE PILOT CLUB.

UH, AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS, WE THINK, FROM THE PILOT CLUB, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN GIVEN TO US YET.

SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ERNIE DIETZ, DR.

MIKE OLA WITH THAT TRAIN YOU.

IF YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, YOU NEED TO, JULIE MASTERS HELPED US RIGHT AT THE END TO KIND OF NAVIGATE THE AREA AND THE ROOMS THAT WE NEEDED ACCESS TO.

AND THE, UH, GENEROUS FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF JOE WILBURN.

AND I'LL JUST LEAVE YOU WITH, WITH THIS, THIS IS A, A LITTLE PETITION THAT WE PASSED AROUND AND TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE DEPOT AND ASKED THEM IF THEY WANTED TO SIGN.

THERE ARE 92 SIGNATURES HERE, AND I KNOW THAT PETITIONS KIND OF, THAT WORD KIND OF FRIGHTENS PEOPLE IN DICKENSON LATELY, AND IT LOOKS A LITTLE OFFICIAL.

SO I WANNA SAY TO EVERYBODY THAT SATURDAY MORNING, AS I WAS PUTTING MY MAKEUP ON, I REALIZED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE PETITION DONE.

SO FOR THE SECOND TIME, I GOT ON CHAT, GPT AND SAID, MAKE A PETITION.

AND THIS IS WHAT CAME OUT.

SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE OFFICIAL AND IT'S MORE OFFICIAL THAN WE WANTED IT TO LOOK, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO TELL IT TO DO ANYTHING ANY DIFFERENT.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.

SO PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT THE , DON'T LOOK AT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND LOOK AT THE NAMES AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE THE DEPOT AND, UH, WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IT.

SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I KNOW THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AND I JUST BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE GOOD NEWS.

AND WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR IT.

AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY, REALLY A WONDERFUL EVENT.

JUST LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL OF YOURS WAS THIS WEEK.

SO WE'VE ALL BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

SO THANK Y'ALL.

AND Y'ALL HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS.

ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT INDIVIDUAL WE'LL CALL UP IS MR. UH, COPELAND.

COME ON UP, MAYOR COUNCIL, I, UM, ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I'D LIKE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DCI KNOW IT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT I NEED TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

UM, MY OPINION OF THE UDC IS, IT WAS TOTALLY DONE IMPROPERLY, AND I'M DIGGING INTO MORE AND MORE FACTS TO SUPPORT THAT, STARTING WITH THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2 0 6 3 A DASH 2 0 2 4, WHICH AUTHORIZED THE CITY TO USE NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS BY PUBLICATION IN THE NEWSPAPER.

THE NOTICE OF THAT MEETING WHERE THAT RESOLUTION WAS PASSED WAS ACTUALLY, UH, PUT IN THE PAPER ON, UM, UM, APRIL THE FIFTH.

AND THEN AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON APRIL 23RD, THEY VOTED TO MAKE THAT LEGAL TO USE THAT METHOD.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY USED THE PROCEDURE BEFORE IT WAS APPROVED, APPROVED TO BE USED.

ANYWAY, MAYBE THERE'S A REASON.

UM, AFTER THAT, THERE WAS, UH, AN ATTEMPT TO USE THAT NOTICE BY PUBLICATION FOR THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THEY ACTUALLY STARTED TRYING TO APPROVE THE UDC THAT, UM, NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE, UM, NEWSPAPER ON MAY 9TH FOR THE, FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING TO BE HELD ON MAY 21ST.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HAD TO BE 15 DAYS AHEAD OF THE HI HEARING, AND IT WAS NOT 15 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME.

SO THEY, THEY DID NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE REQUIREMENTS AS SET OUT IN THE PROCEDURE THAT THEY HAD APPROVED.

SO ANYWAY, UH, THE, THE MORE I LOOK, THE MORE I FIND, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP TONIGHT.

UM, I THINK THE, THE ANSWER IS TO GET RID OF THIS AND GO BACK AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

ME, UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT, UH, SIGNED UP? THERE WAS NOT A SECOND PAPER IF IT MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN PICKED UP OR SOMETHING THAT ANYONE NOT GET THE CHANCE TO TALK PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER FIVE,

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, ALSO LET

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REGULAR MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 27TH, 2025.

AWESOME.

UM, SO WE'LL GO TO FIVE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CON CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.

THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT, THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL, ALL RIGHT.

PULL ALL OF THEM.

UH, SO FIVE EIGHT CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM CITY COUNCIL.

I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT THOSE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS ON, UH, THEY HAD, UH, ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. IT HAD THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN EDMOND, IT WAS THE FIREWORK ORDINANCE.

COUNCILMAN MONDS MADE A MOTION CHECK.

SECOND IT.

THEN AFTER ALL THE DISCUSSION, THE S DON'T REFLECT.

I MADE A MOTION TO POSTPONE IT.

COUNCILMAN SIMPSON, UH, SECONDED.

AND IT PASSED.

SO THOSE CORRECTIONS NEED TO BE PLACED INTO THOSE UNITS.

I'LL SECOND THAT JURY ALREADY HAS THAT.

SO I GOT A MOTION.

I SECOND IT.

GOT A SECOND.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

FIVE B CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM CITY COUNCIL'S REGULAR MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2025.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

FIVE C, UH, CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION.

TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS TO APPROVE AND ADOPT AND AMENDED INVESTMENT POLICY FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON, WHICH INCLUDES A LIST OF QUALIFIED BROKERS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED TO ENGAGE IN INVESTMENT TRANSACTIONS WITH THE CITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS PUBLIC FUNDS INVESTMENT ACT.

ALL IN FAVOR? I GOT A QUESTION.

OH, GOT A QUESTION? ALL THE, UH, CORRECTIONS, ARE THEY ON PAGE 10? WHAT WAS CHANGED? YES, SIR.

IS THAT THE ONLY THING? IT'S ONLY THE TITLES.

THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED THIS YEAR.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED.

IT WASN'T HIGHLIGHTED OR ANYTHING.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS TO AMEND CHAPTER SEVEN, FIRE PREVENTION AND PROTECTION OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

SIX SIX.

[6.A. ORDINANCE NO. XXXX- 2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance of the City of Dickinson, Texas, to amend Chapter 7, Fire Prevention and Protection, of the City of Dickinson Code of Ordinances, by amending Section 7-60, entitled “Sale, use and possession of fireworks”; providing a severability Clause, a repealer Clause, and an effective date. (2nd Reading) (Council)]

CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING SECTION SEVEN DASH SIX ZERO ENTITLED, SALE USE AND POSSESSION OF FIREWORKS, PROVIDING A CLAUSE, A REPEAL CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SECOND READING, MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

GOT A SECOND.

DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? YES, SIR.

I GOTCHA.

UH, THE TIMES ON THERE, UH, TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER.

UH, THE WAY THE ONE THAT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOURS, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO POP THEM ALL OUT LONG FROM WHAT THE DID.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? ON NEW YEAR'S? ONLY ON NEW YEAR'S? YEP.

BUT YOU, I'M TALKING 1, 2, 3, 4 IN THE MORNING.

SO THAT'S THE WAY IT'S, YEAH.

SO HERE'S THE, I ASK, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DOES THIS, DOES THIS COEXIST WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AS WELL? SO JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO POP FIREWORKS, THE NOISE ORDINANCE STILL IS IN EFFECT.

AM I CORRECT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT.

IT IS.

SO AT MIDNIGHT, THE NOISE WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE THING THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE CALLING OF.

YOU CAN'T POP AFTER THAT TIME.

'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME FIREWORKS THAT ACTUALLY DON'T MAKE THE LOUD NOISE POPS.

A LOT OF NOISE AND SUCH.

SO, SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE, UH, THE CUTOFF TIME AT NEW YEAR'S TO BE 2:00 AM OR SOME, SOMETIME LIKE THAT? 4 30, 1 O'CLOCK.

IF WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND THEN RESUME SIMPLE.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK ORDINANCE EIGHT, WE CAN ALL NIGHT LONG.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY IT READS FROM, I THINK.

BUT NINE O'CLOCK ON THE 31ST OR 1159 ON THE FIRST.

ISN'T THAT THE WAY IT READS? BUT, BUT YEAH.

BUT I GUESS THOUGH, I GUESS MY QUESTION, THIS IS I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY.

I, I'M NOT, I'VE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING IT, BUT I GET IT.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE VOTED FOR, RIGHT? YEAH.

HOWEVER, THAT'S ONLY ONE LAW THAT WE HAVE OR ONE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE.

THERE'S ALSO OTHER ORDINANCE YOU HAVE TO FALL WITH FALL INTO, WHICH BEING THE SOUND ORDINANCE, THEY CAN'T POP AT FOUR IN THE MORNING BECAUSE OF OUR SOUND ORDINANCE.

BUT, BUT OUR SOUND ORDINANCE DOESN'T COINCIDE WITH THESE HOURS.

CORRECT? WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

OUR SOUND ORDINANCE, WE AREN'T CHANGING.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS WE, WE STILL HAVE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO FOLLOW JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU CAN POP FIREWORKS.

DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO ABANDON ALL THE OTHER

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ORDINANCES WE HAVE.

AM I, I'M, I'M, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M, THAT'S HOW I READ IT.

I GUESS THAT'S HOW INTERPRET IT.

NO, YOU'RE CORRECT.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

SO, BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

'CAUSE I DON'T, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE PO FIREWORKS POPPING AT THREE IN THE MORNING.

BUT THERE'S ALSO, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S FIREWORKS THAT DO NOT MAKE ANY SOUND.

SO THEY CAN ABSOLUTELY POP THOSE AS LONG AS THEY WANT.

SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL WANNA CHANGE IT.

LET'S, LET'S HAVE THE CONVERSATION AGAIN, BUT, UH, UH, , I BELIEVE OUR SOUND ORDINANCE WOULD KICK IN AT, UH, 10:00 PM 10:00 PM 10:00 PM THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

ON A WEEK DAY.

WELL, NEW YEAR'S IS LIABLE TO FALL ON A WEEK DAY.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE APPROVE FIREWORKS ARE, WHICH ONE COMES FIRST? THE FIREWORKS ORDINANCE OR THE SOUND ORDINANCE? WELL, THEY WOULD BOTH BE READ IN A WAY THAT THEY DO NOT CONFLICT.

AND GIVEN THAT, UH, FIREWORKS DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY VIOLATE THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THEN THEY WOULD BE READ TOGETHER.

IT'S NOT THAT ONE, UH, IS GOING TO, UH, PREEMPT THE OTHER OR RULE OVER THE OTHER.

UNLESS THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO THIS ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE DISCHARGING FIREWORKS, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT ACTIVITY IS GOING TO BE EXEMPT FROM THE CITY'S ORDINANCE, UH, SOUND ORDINANCE.

NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO ABSENT THAT LANGUAGE, THEN YOU CAN UTILIZE AND DISCHARGE FIREWORKS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW REGARDING MAKING UNREASONABLE NOISE AS WELL.

DO YOU WANNA OFFER ANYTHING ON THERE? I MEAN, WE HAVE 10:00 PM ON CONFLICTS.

WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, YES, YOU CAN POP FIREWORKS.

AND WE HAVE A SOUND ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY NOISE OVER.

IS IT 85 DECIBELS? IT'S, MY RECOLLECTION IS 57.

85.

85 IS ACTUALLY IN THE STATE LAW.

THAT'S THE PRESUMPTION OF, UH, NOISE THAT IS UNREASONABLE.

IT IS 85 DECIBELS.

SO MAYBE WE DO NEED TO ADD A CLAUSE IN THE FIREWORKS SAYING THAT THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR THE TIME THAT WE HAVE APPROVED, THAT THEY BE POPPED.

AND THAT WAY IT PREVENTS THE TWO FROM CONFLICTING WITH EACH OTHER.

UH, YES, SIR.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

UH, NOW ALONG WITH THAT, UM, IT WOULD THEN SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO ALSO INCORPORATE WHAT COUNCILMAN STRADER'S COMMENTS ARE.

WHICH IS TO HAVE A CUTOFF.

UH, THE NIGHT OF THE 31ST IS DECEMBER 31ST, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING POPPED ALL NIGHT LONG AND EXEMPT FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO WHAT WOULD THE COUNCIL WANT THAT CUTOFF TIME TO BE? AND WOULD THAT ALSO APPLY, UH, ON JULY 4TH? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, UH, THE ALLOWANCE FOR DISCHARGE ON JULY 4TH, UH, GOES UNTIL 11:59 PM YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKE IT THE SAME TIME ON DECEMBER 31ST FROM 9:00 AM TO 11:59 PM AND THEN A RESUMPTION ON JANUARY 1ST AT 9:00 AM UM, TO 11:59 PM SO WE'RE, SO THE, SO DECEMBER 31ST, UH, 11:59 AM IS THE MOMENT WHERE THEY START GOING OFF.

JUST ALLOW IT? AND REALISTICALLY, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF PEOPLE POPPING AT FOUR OR FIVE IN THE MORNING? UM, ALLOWING JUST TO SAY, HEY, WE TRUST OUR CITIZENS TO MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO I WOULD EXTEND THAT TO 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ADDED IN OUR ORIGINAL SUGGESTION, AND IT WAS CHANGED TO INCLUDE THE FIRST AT 1159.

I MEAN, CAN, CAN WE MAKE THE MINOR CHANGE AND STILL DO A SECOND READING ON IT? IS THAT CONSIDERED A MINOR CHANGE, IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK AT THIS POINT.

UH, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE A, A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO ADDING IN NOT JUST CHANGING THE TIMES, BUT WE'RE ALSO ADDING IN THE, UH, EXEMPTION FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO I WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE A, UH, A, A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER READING.

SO IF WE JUST DO A TIME CHANGE, WOULD THAT BE, I, I THINK A TIME CHANGE WOULD, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

AS, AS NOT A, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.

UH, I MEAN, E EVERYBODY WANTS TO START POPPING 'EM AT MIDNIGHT.

SO, SO THE, THE WHOLE REASON WHY THEY BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME ABOUT GOING TO THE NEXT DAY WAS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT NEW YEAR'S IS ALSO CELEBRATED.

RIGHT? SO NOT NEW YEAR'S EVE IS NOT LIKE THAT EVENING.

SO NOT EVERYBODY CELEBRATES THAT NIGHT NECESSARILY.

THEY MIGHT WANNA POP FIREWORKS THE NEXT DAY.

UM, I GUESS HERE'S THE, HERE'S A QUESTION THAT NOT MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA, I GUESS LIKE, BUT WHY DON'T WE

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WELL, WE WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING WE AGREE WE SHOULD ALLOW YOU GUYS TO POP FIREWORKS, BUT ONLY AT THESE TIMES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE SAYING, YES, WE TRUST YOU GUYS, BUT NOT TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION IN THIS TIME.

THAT'S, THAT'S WILD.

WE TRUST THEM NOW, BUT THEY'RE STILL POPPING ILLEGALLY.

SO WHY I, YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THE THE ONES THAT WANT TO POP IT AT FOUR IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.

I MEAN, PERSONALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN AT ONE O'CLOCK ON THE 31ST AND START AT NINE O'CLOCK THE NEXT DAY AND ALL.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IT.

SO OVERLY COMPLICATED.

NOW.

LOT CITIZENS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

YOU MEAN IT WOULD END AT 1:00 AM ON THE FIRST? YEAH.

AND RESUME AT 6:00 PM ON THE FIRST TILL 1159.

FROM NINE TO 1159 THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

MAYBE I'M IN THE MINORITY, BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY REMEMBER EVEN AS A CHILD POPPING FIREWORKS ON THE FIRST, LIKE I WOULD POP 'EM YEAH.

FROM DECEMBER 31ST TO THE FIRST, LIKE THAT MIDNIGHT TIME AND THEN AFTER THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT.

I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL LIKE GOING TO BED AND THEN WAKING UP AGAIN AND POPPING FIREWORKS LATER ON IN THE FIRST, BUT I MIGHT BE IN THE MINORITY.

IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

IT'S, I GUESS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, THIS THING FAILED.

THIS IS NOW POTENTIALLY IF THIS THING FAILS IS THE THIRD TIME, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE OVER COMPLICATED IT.

AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS WE NEED TO STOP TRYING TO BE SO RESTRICTIVE, UM, BECAUSE NOW PEOPLE GET CONFUSED.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 18 DIFFERENT TIMELINES AND I CAN PROMISE YOU IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL I'M GOOD AT THIS TIME AND THEN I'M NOT GOOD AT THIS TIME.

WELL, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND ONE 30 IN THE MORNING? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE IN THE MORNING AND THREE IN THE MORNING IF YOU'RE ASLEEP, YOU'RE ASLEEP.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS WHY ARE WE TRYING TO PUT SO MANY PARAMETERS ON IT TO WHERE IT'S SO CONFUSING, IT'S SO OVERLY GOVERNED AND NOW WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO I GUESS THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

UM, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE ARE JUST, OKAY IF, IF WE SHUT IT OFF AT ONE O'CLOCK, LET 'EM RESUME ON NEW YEAR'S DAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO PROHIBITIVE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, SO I GUESS THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MO OR THE, WHO MADE THE MOTION.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO AMEND YOUR MOTION, YOU CAN AMEND IT OR, OR ANYONE ELSE CAN OFFER MOTION, OFFER AN AMENDMENT OR SOMEONE COULD OFFER.

SO LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS FLOORS, Y'ALL'S I, I'LL, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO, I GUESS, UH, I GUESS TERMINATE THE, THE FIREWORKS AT 1:00 AM IN THE MORNING ON THIS, ON JANUARY 1ST.

AND I GUESS YOU WOULD ALLOW THEM TO PROCEED AGAIN AT 9:00 AM THE FOLLOWING ON FIRST? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

MR. DOME.

WOULD THAT REQUIRE ANOTHER READING? UH, I TAKE THE POSITION THAT IT DOES NOT, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THIS ORDINANCE WOULD CREATE A WINDOW TO, UH, DISCHARGE FIREWORKS.

AND THE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING OFFERED NOW ACTUALLY, UH, TAKES EIGHT HOURS OUT OF THAT WINDOW.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY A MORE RESTRICTIVE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT IT WAS BEFORE.

SO I THINK IT'S OKAY ON SECOND READING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

SO NOW YOU NEED A SECOND ON MY A SECOND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? NOPE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

MOTION PASSED.

ALRIGHT, SEVEN A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

AND I GUESS WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM MS. CLARK SEVEN B FIRST.

IT IS REGARDING THOSE FINANCIALS.

SO WE HAD $186,000 SURPLUS .

SO WE WILL, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SWITCH SEVEN.

WE'LL START WITH SEVEN

[7.B. Consideration and possible action to approve the Quarterly Investment Report & Financials for Period Ending September 30, 2025. (Finance)]

SO SEVEN B IS CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT AND FINANCIALS FOR PERIOD ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025.

SO FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2025, WE HAD, UH, REVENUES TOTALING 17.9 MILLION, UM, WHICH SATISFIED 94% OF THE BUDGET AND EXPENDITURES, UM, WAS AT 17.7.

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AS YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR SHORTAGE IN REVENUES WAS WITH SALES TAX.

AND THEN WE'LL ADDRESS THE TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE OVER BUDGET.

AND THE NEXT ITEM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE FINANCIALS? ANY QUESTIONS? WE NEED A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, UH, APPROVE THE QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT AND FINANCIAL, UH, PERIOD ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH.

EIGHT NOW CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHRADER.

UH, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? IF NOT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASS.

SO, SEVEN

[7.A. Consideration and possible action to approve FY25 Budget Amendments. (Finance)]

SO OVERALL, WE MAINTAIN FISCAL DISCIPLINE WHILE MEETING OPERATIONAL NEEDS.

ONLY TWO OF THE 14 BUDGET DEPARTMENTS WERE OVER BUDGET.

THE TWO DEPARTMENTS WERE BAYOU ANIMAL SERVICES AND CITYWIDE SERVICES, ALSO KNOWN AS CONTRACT SERVICES.

BAYOU ANIMAL SERVICES WAS OVER BUDGET BY $81,000, WHICH IS UH, 12% OVER BUDGET.

UM, THE MAJORITY OF THIS WAS DUE TO THE SUNSHADES, BUT THE SUNSHADES ALSO WERE PAID FOR BY A DONATION.

SO WHILE THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR, IT WAS TECHNICALLY PAID FOR BY DONATIONS.

SO THAT LEAVES THE EMPLOYEE GROUP INSURANCE, WHICH WAS OVER BY $31,000.

UM, BASICALLY JUST FOR, UM, THAT JUST WASN'T BUDGETED CORRECTLY IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

THEN CITYWIDE SERVICES, IT WAS OVER BUDGET BY $57,000.

AND THE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, THAT WAS THE OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL.

UM, SO THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

THEN WE MOVE TO THE OTHER FUNDS.

UM, AS A REMINDER, THIS, THESE ARE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS AND FIDUCIARY FUNDS THAT DO NOT UTILIZE TAX DOLLARS.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY CHEWING UP THE NUMBERS.

UM, ONLY THE PITS AND SEAS FUNDS ARE REQUESTING AMENDMENTS, BUT I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OTHER FUNDS.

STREET MAINTENANCE FUND ONLY UTILIZED 82% OF THEIR BUDGET.

UM, THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT WAS THE SAVINGS IN UM, MATERIALS.

UM, AS MENTIONED, ALL OF THE PIS SAW INCREASES IN ASSESSMENTS, WHICH ALSO MEANS AN INCREASE IN DEVELOPER PAYMENTS.

SO I AM REQUESTING AN ADJUSTMENT JUST TO TRUE THAT UP.

MISCELLANEOUS GRANTS FUND, THAT'S SHOWING A TIMING VARIANCE FOR HUGHES ROAD PROJECT.

THERE'S NO AMENDMENT NEEDED.

THE RELIEF AND DISASTER FUND IS UNDER BUDGET.

JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENT FOR BARRELL, UM, THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENT NEEDED FOR THAT.

THE FEDERAL CE FUNDS EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS.

THE BUDGET AMENDMENT IS REQUESTED IS JUST TO MATCH THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES, AND THERE IS DEFERRED REVENUE GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 26 TO UTILIZE.

AND JUST AS A NOTE, THE COURT SECURITY FUND AND THE COURT TECHNOLOGY FUNDS ARE COMBINED DUE TO A HOUSE BILL THAT CAME INTO EFFECT, UM, IN MAY OF 2025.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS? I GOT ONE QUESTION.

SO LIKE THE PIT, IT CAME IN 22043%.

THE DEVELOPER GETS REIMBURSED.

BECAUSE IT BROUGHT IN MORE MONEY.

DOES IT PAY THE PIT OFF EARLIER FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE HAVING TO PAY IN IT? NO, NO SIR.

IT STILL GETS PAID OFF IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

IT JUST MEANS THE DEVELOPER GETS REIMBURSED QUICKER.

THE MAJORITY OF THAT.

SO WE HADN'T RECEIVED MANY PAYMENTS FOR ARE YOU, IS THAT P THREE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT BY YOU? MASON? FOUR.

WAS GOING TO AND YOU'RE PAYING THAT OFF, IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE YOU STARTED PAYING OFF MORE FIRST, IT WOULDN'T PAY IT OFF QUICKER AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND SAY MAYBE 27 YEARS INSTEAD OF 30 OR WHAT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S BY YOU BEN.

SO DEBT HADN'T RECEIVED ANY ASSESSMENTS UNTIL THIS LAST YEAR.

SO WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY HOMES WERE GONNA BE BUILT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE GONNA MOVE INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT.

SO NOW WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA AND BUDGETED 26 BETTER.

BUT, BUT ALMOST, ALMOST ALL OF THAT MONEY GOES BACK TO THE DEVELOPER.

BUT MOST OF THOSE ARE SET UP ON A 20 OR 30 YEAR CORRECT DEAL.

SO IF YOU BRING MORE MONEY IN THAN YOU THOUGHT YOU

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WELL, CERTAIN THE LOTS THAT ARE STARTING TO PAY WILL GET PAID OFF SOONER, BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHEN WE HAVE HOME HOMEOWNERS MOVE IN, THEY DON'T START PAYING OBVIOUSLY UNTIL THEY MOVE IN.

SO JUST CURIOUS, ESSENTIALLY, YES, THE SOONER THAT WE BRING IN FUNDS, THE SOONER WE'LL GET PAID OFF.

MR, DO YOU WANNA CHIME IN? OH, JUST TO SAY THAT, UH, USUALLY WHEN PITS, UM, ASSESSMENTS COME IN AT A FASTER RATE OR A HIGHER RATE THAN WE EXPECT, IT'S BECAUSE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS CHOOSE BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTIES ARE ASSESSED ANNUALLY, AND THEY CAN CHOOSE THOUGH TO PAY ALL OF THE AMOUNTS THAT THEY OWE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NUMBER OF YEARS AT THE PIT, THEY CAN DO THAT UP FRONT AND SAVE THEMSELVES THE INTEREST COSTS.

SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL COLLECT MORE.

BUT UNLESS EVERYBODY, EVERY PROPERTY IN THAT PIT DOES THAT, THE, THE PIT IS NOT GONNA GET PAID OFF ANY SOONER.

JUST THE BALANCE WILL GET PAID DOWN TO THE DEVELOPER OF A REIMBURSEMENT WILL BE PAID DOWN LOWER MORE QUICKLY.

BUT ACTUALLY I FINISH PAYING IT OFF.

IT'LL STILL GO THE FULL LENGTH.

BUT HE ONLY GETS A FIXED AMOUNT.

HE, HE, HE GETS THE AMOUNT TO THAT.

SO IF 30 MILLION AND THEY ALL GET PAID OFF EARLIER THAN HE GETS HIS MONEY EARLIER AND THAT PIT WILL GO AWAY EARLIER, ONCE HE GETS 30 MILLION, THAT'S ALL HE IS DUE, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS UNLESS ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS PAY EARLY YEAH.

THAT HE IS NOT GONNA GET PAID OFF RIGHT.

SOONER THAN THE 30 YEAR.

I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE FIRST PIT OUT THERE THAT THEY COULD, YOU COULD PAY IT ALL OFF AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT OVER 20 YEARS.

'CAUSE THE FIRST ONE I THINK WAS 20 YEARS.

SO IT SHOULD ALMOST BE ABOUT PAID OFF ANYWAY.

YEAH, YOU, YEAH, YOU SAVE INTEREST BY PAYING IT.

ALRIGHT, MS. CLARK, I'VE, I'VE GOT A QUESTION HERE, AND IT MAY BE MY IGNORANCE ON, ON HOW THIS BUDGETING WORKS.

IF WE ARE 65% COMPLETE ON THE HUGHES ROAD PROJECT AND WE'VE ALREADY USED 96% OF THE BUDGETED EXPEND, DOES THAT MEAN THE, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD? YES.

THAT, THAT WE'RE, IT'S ONLY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

96%.

YES, THAT'S ALL.

SO WE ARE ACTUALLY UNDER BUDGET ON HUGHES ROAD THEN BY 4%, CORRECT? YES.

FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.

FOR FOR THIS TIME PERIOD.

FOR THE ANNUAL P PART.

AND I GUESS, UH, THESE AMENDMENTS OVERALL ARE SORT OF A, A TRUE UP TO HELP US FOR AUDIT PURPOSES, CORRECT? YES.

AS MENTIONED, UM, THE GENERAL FUND TECHNICALLY DOESN'T NEED A BUDGET AMENDMENT BECAUSE IN TOTALITY IT WAS UNDER BUDGET, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE OVER AT LEAST 5%, THAT'S JUST KIND OF OUR STANDARD POLICY TO REQUEST ONE AT THAT POINT.

ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS FOR SEVEN EIGHT, CORRECT? YE UH, YES SIR.

SEVEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT.

ALL RIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO I GOT A SECOND? OKAY, GOT A SECOND.

UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? WE ACTUALLY HAVE DEDC AS WELL REQUESTING A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

OH, OKAY.

SO THAT IS, UM, THEY WERE ROUGHLY $264,000 IN EXPENDITURES OVER BUDGET.

MOST OF THAT IS DUE TO THE WATER STREET ACCELERATION.

UM, ALSO THE PICNIC GROUNDS AND THE, UM, THE DRAINAGE PRO, THE COUNTY DRAINAGE PROJECT ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

UM, SO IN TOTALITY THEY WERE 8% OVER BUDGET MAJORITY THAT, LIKE I MENTIONED, IS THAT OF WATER STREET GARAGE THAT WASN'T BUDGETED UNTIL THIS FISCAL YEAR 26.

UM, AND THAT HAD, THAT WAS NOT FOR THAT STARTING, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN, THAT HAD QUITE A BIT TO DO WITH THE GRANT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

RIGHT, BECAUSE WE HAD TO ACCELERATE THAT PROJECT IN ORDER TO GET THE EDA GRANT.

SO BASICALLY THERE IS A, THERE WAS A DEADLINE FOR US TO GET ALL OF THE MONEY TO BE, WE HAD TO DON'T USE, SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BY A CERTAIN TIME OR WE LOST A LOT OF MONEY AND WE ENDED UP GETTING IT DONE.

BUT IT WAS, THIS WAS THE EXPENDITURE RIGHT.

WAS OF SOME OF THAT.

SO IT WAS BUDGETED, IT WAS JUST FOR A FUTURE YEAR? YES.

HAS THE, UH, EDC ALREADY APPROVED THAT? THEY THEY WERE, THEY WERE PRESENTED IT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT YOU, YOU ARE, YOU APPROVED THEIR BUDGET.

BUT THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT FIRST.

THEY DIDN'T, DID WE HAVE AN ITEM FOR THEM TO APPROVE IT? WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ON IT.

UH, I DON'T REMEMBER DAVE.

I'M LOOKING AT DAVE AND STUFF, BUT ACTUALLY IN, IN THE STATE LAW, UM, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE EDC BOARD ADOPTS THEIR BUDGET

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OR APPROVE THEIR BUDGET.

THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, APPROVES THE BUDGET.

GO AHEAD.

THESE, THESE ITEMS WERE REVIEWED WITH THE EDC BOARD, UH, LAST WEEK.

UH, AS MS. CLARK STATED, UM, $2.2 MILLION WAS ACCELERATED ON THE WATER STREET PARKING GARAGE TO CAPTURE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURED ALL THE ELIGIBLE REIMBURSEMENTS FROM THE EDA GRANT.

UH, WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED THAT BY THE EDA, THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA EXTEND UNTIL JULY.

OUR ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION WAS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN SEPTEMBER 5TH, WHICH WOULD MEAN THROUGH NORMAL COURSE OF OPERATIONS.

OUR FIRST, UH, PAY APPLICATION WOULD COME FROM THE CONTRACTOR IN OCTOBER BEING THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.

SO EVERYTHING WAS BUDGET FOR POOR WATER STREET PARKING GARAGE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

BUT WE HAD TO ACCELERATE IT TO THE TWO, 2.2 MILLION.

UM, AND AS MS. CLARK STATED, THE OTHER ITEMS WERE THE REDESIGN, UM, THAT, UH, THIS COUNCIL ASKED ME TO GO BACK AND DO THAT WAS ROUGHLY $188,000.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, THE ITEM CAME UP WITH THE DRAINAGE STUDY PARTICIPATION WITH THE COUNTY.

AND THAT WAS ROUGHLY $79,000 AT THE EDC THEN STEPPED IN AND, AND PICKED UP AS WELL.

SO WITHOUT THAT, THAT $2.2 MILLION, UH, WE ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, GOOD, GOOD BID UNDER BUDGET.

SO Y'ALL APPROVED THE EXPENDITURE, CORRECT? WE DID NOT HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, SIR.

UH, I UNDERSTAND OF THE LAW, AND I'M PROBABLY WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW IS THAT THE CDC CANNOT SPEND MONEY WITHOUT COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY CANNOT SPEND EDC MONIES WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL STATE LAW.

I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT STATE LAW.

SO SOMEWHERE IN THERE, Y'ALL HAVE TO APPROVE SPENDING SOME MONEY SO WE CAN APPROVE Y'ALL SPENDING SOME MONEY.

SO THE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND CHIME IN WHERE I'M WRONG, WE WERE, WE, WE NEEDED TO INFORM THE BOARD OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, BUT THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BUDGET THAT NEEDS TO COME TO THIS BODY, WHICH BUDGETING IS SEPARATE FROM APPROVAL OF EACH OF THE VARIOUS EXPENDITURES.

YOU KNOW, SIMILAR.

I, I WOULD USE THE, KIND OF THE EXAMPLE OF, UH, THIS PAST BUDGET CYCLE, THE EDC BOARD APPROVED A CERTAIN BUDGET FOR THE EDC, AND WHEN IT CAME TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, THE COUNCIL STRIPPED OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT BIG LINE ITEM FOR A PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND DID THAT WITHOUT TAKING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY KIND OF ACTION.

BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IT'S THE COUNCIL THAT APPROVES THE EDCS BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT, UH, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND IS CORRECT.

ANYTIME THE EDC WANTS TO EXPEND FUNDS, YES, IT HAS TO HAVE A VOTE OF THE BOARD, AND THEN THAT GOES TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL.

BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM BUDGETING.

SO THIS IS NOT A REQUEST TO APPROVE EXPENDITURES OF FUNDS.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO PUT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPENT IN THE RIGHT LINE ITEM IN THE RIGHT YEAR.

ACTUALLY IN THE RIGHT YEAR, WE'RE JUST MOVING IT FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR TO ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHY THE AMENDMENT NEEDS TO HAPPEN RATHER THAN A REQUEST FOR PURCHASING.

SO I MADE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL, UH, SPECIAL MOTION JUST FOR THE EDC BOARD, OR IS THIS GONNA APPROVE ALL THE AMENDMENTS FOR THE 25 YEAR BUDGET? ALL OF 'EM, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

INCLUDING EDC, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

IS THAT YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE THEM ALL STILL? YES.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMAN COUNCIL? DID ALRIGHT? YEP.

OH YEAH.

'CAUSE WE HAD MORE DISCUSSION.

SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? ALL, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ON THE PROGRESS AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DICKINSON RAILROAD, UH, DE DEPOT.

UH, SEVEN C DISCUSSION

[7.C. Discussion on the progress and future development of the Dickinson Railroad Depot. (Magliolo)]

UM, I ASKED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT, I KNOW MR. CAREY OR, UH, THE REST OF STAFF'S MAIN, MAIN PRIORITY RIGHT NOW, IT IS A HUGE, UH, PRIORITY FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

UM, SO IT NEEDS TO NOT EVER BE FORGOTTEN.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING UP.

ONE, I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME UPDATES OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME, UH, WE HAVE THE, UM, COST FOR THE AC.

WE GOT SOME BIDS TO DO SOME ENGINEERING, AND THEY WERE, UH, BASICALLY GONNA CHARGE US AN ARM AND A LEG.

AM AM I CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND Y'ALL BASICALLY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA WASTE THE MONEY ON THAT.

WE'RE GONNA GO AND FIGURE OUT A BETTER SOLUTION.

RIGHT? YEAH.

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THERE'S NO REASON TO SPEND $13,000 ON SOMEONE TO COME LOOK AT THE BUILDING JUST TO COME LOOK AT IT.

RIGHT? OKAY.

UM, THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO BRING THIS, THIS ITEM UP WAS BECAUSE, UH, I WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT YOU DON'T COME TO THE TABLE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING WITHOUT A SOLUTION.

AND I HAVE ASKED ENDLESSLY IF ANYONE HAS SOLUTIONS, PLEASE LAY THEM OUT THERE.

UM, JUST SAYING SAVE THE RAILROAD DEPOT DOESN'T WORK.

WE NEED AN ACTUAL LONG-TERM PLAN.

UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M GOING, I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO EVERYONE AT COUNCIL OF WHAT I'VE COME UP WITH.

UM, 'CAUSE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT IT.

I MET WITH MR. UH, IVAN LANGFORD, WHICH HE IS, UH, ONE OF THE HEAD HONCHOS OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

SO I BOUNCED THE IDEA OFF OF HIM.

HE ENJOYED PARTS OF IT.

THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORKING PARTS TO IT.

UM, SO I WANTED TO KIND OF PRESENT IT TO EVERYONE.

SO I'M NOT TRYING TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH EVERYBODY.

UM, THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO NECESSARILY HAPPEN.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I'M SAYING THIS IS A PROPOSAL, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, AMEND IT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT.

REALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA END UP DOING IS PAWNING MOST OF THE DECISION MAKING OFF ON MR. CAREY.

RIGHT? UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CUT, IF WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING, UH, WE NEED TO AT LEAST START WITH, UH, A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, KIND OF BRING UP IS ONE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUSTAINABILITY, MAINTENANCE, ALL OF THAT FUN STUFF.

UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IS THE ACTUAL OFFICE SPACES THAT ARE CURRENTLY HOUSING OUR NONPROFITS INSIDE OF THERE, WELL, TWO NONPROFITS, UM, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO WE, UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THOSE NONPROFITS TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THEM.

BUT THE IDEA WOULD TO BE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN, UM, CITY EMPLOYEES IN THOSE TWO OFFICES.

NOW, WHO, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE IS UP TO THE STAFF BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR OPERATION.

SO WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY? BECAUSE I KNOW MR. CAREY NEEDS CERTAIN PEOPLE WITHIN CITY HALL, UM, BECAUSE HE WORKS WITH THEM A LOT.

SO THAT'S UP TO THEM.

BUT THE REASON WHY I SAY IF WE PUT TWO MEMBERS OF CITY HALL IN OR FROM THE CITY INSIDE OF THERE, WHETHER IT'S BEING THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, EDC, WHOEVER IT IS, WE HAVE TO KEEP SOME SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

WE CANNOT HAVE NONPROFITS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON AND DO A LOT OF AMAZING WORK FOR US.

BUT WE CANNOT HAVE THEM IN THE SAME ROOM AS A LOT OF CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE CITY.

SO WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THAT SEPARATE, JUST LIKE NONPROFIT IN GROUPS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CITY HALL.

WE HAVE RECORDS IN THERE THAT HAVE TO BE LOCKED AWAY FOR CERTAIN REASONS.

PEOPLE HAVE, YOU ONLY HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACCESS.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAY WE NOW HAVE TO WORK ON FINDING A SOLUTION FOR THEM.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, MR. LANGFORD AND I TALKED ABOUT.

AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS A 12 TO EIGHT 18 MONTH PLAN.

THIS IS NOT, WE JUST FLIP A SWITCH AND IT'S OVERNIGHT WHEN WE PUT CITY STAFF IN THERE, THE REASON WHY THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IN MY HEAD IS NOW DURING THE HOUR WORKING HOURS OF EIGHT 30 TO FIVE 30, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THERE.

SO THAT MEANS MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY DURING BUSINESS WORKING HOURS, SOMEONE WILL BE THERE, THEREFORE YOU CAN GO VISIT IT.

SO WE'RE OPEN FOUR DAYS RIGHT THERE, FULL ALL DAY.

THEN ON FRIDAYS IT'S ONLY A HALF DAY.

BUT THE REASON WHY WE KEEP IT AT A HALF DAY AND NOT THE FULL DAY IS WE ARE NOW GOING TO SET UP A PROGRAM.

THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE TASKED TO BASICALLY MAN THIS PLACE, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE A RENTAL PROGRAM.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLETELY REDO IT FROM WHAT THE PREVIOUS WAS.

UM, AND THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE SET IT UP TO WHERE YOU CAN RENT THE AFTERNOON TO EVENING OF FRIDAY, SATURDAY, OR SUNDAY.

THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR OPEN FOR WEDDINGS.

WHAT BIRTHDAYS, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS.

UM, ALL OF THE REVENUE THEN COMES BACK INTO THE DEPOT TO HELP PAY FOR THE EXPENSES.

SO IT'S ALL SEEMS INTERNAL KEEP IS KEPT INTERNAL.

UM, THE OTHER BIG THING WE ARE LOOKING AT, SO LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES OF THE CITY STAFF THAT WE CAN WORK WITH TO WORK INSIDE OF THERE.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME SORT OF FACILITY SLASH PARKS DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S THE EDC, PUT CHASE IN THERE.

I DON'T CARE WHO GOES IN THERE.

WE NEED SOMEONE MANNING IT SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SHOW UP AND KNOW IT'S GONNA BE OPEN DURING THE WEEK.

WEEKENDS.

THAT'S OUR JOB AS CITY COUNCIL, THE NON-PROFITS, THE OTHER, UH, GROUPS TO TRY TO START BRINGING TRAFFIC IN.

SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I SAW THAT, UH, FARMER'S MARKET OR THE TRADE SHOW, UM, I AM WORKING, I'M TRYING TO, I WORK WITH THE LAKE CITY CHAMBER, THE TEXAS CITY CHAMBER, AND A LOT OF OTHER PROFIT NONPROFITS THAT HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS.

AND WE COULD FILL THAT PLACE EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY INVITING FOOD TRUCKS.

WE HAVE TO MONETIZE IT THOUGH, RIGHT? WE CAN'T JUST LET IT JUST, JUST SIT THERE.

UM, SO NOW WE ARE PRODUCING IT TO BECOME AN ATTRACTION OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, BUT NOW THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY JUSTIFY PUTTING ACTUAL

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MAINTENANCE AND BUDGETING FOR IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIVISION OF OUR OWN INSIDE OF THERE.

RIGHT? THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE JUST ALLOW IT TO KEEP GOING, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, AS MUCH AS, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH IT LOVE IT.

THERE IS A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT ARE ALSO AGAINST TAX PAYING DOLLARS GOING TO ALLOW NON-PROFITS TO WORK OUT OF THERE AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN TOLD TO ME.

AND ONCE AGAIN, I'M ALL FOR THE DEPOT.

I LOVE THE DEPOT, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT IT STANDS FOR, NOT BECAUSE I, I GO VISIT IT ALL THE TIME, BUT BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'VE COME FROM IN DICKINSON, THE SECOND PIECE OF THIS WHOLE THING IS THE, THE CONFERENCE ROOM.

I HEARD WHAT YOU GUYS SAID, AND THE REASON WHY I WANT TO DO IT, UH, HAVE THIS WHOLE RENTAL PROGRAM SET UP, IS NOW ANY NONPROFIT THAT HAS A DICKINSON ADDRESS COULD RENT OUT THAT CONFERENCE ROOM TO USE FOR THEIR CLUB, UH, MEETINGS OR WHATEVER.

UM, WE JUST NEED A SIGNUP SHEET, RIGHT? SO NOW THAT PLACE IS BEING UTILIZED FOR EVERY NONPROFIT IN THE CITY OF DICKINSON AS WELL AS THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS STILL MANNING THE, UH, MUSEUM PORTION OF IT.

SO NOW THEIR, THEIR PROBLEMS ARE REDUCED BECAUSE NOW THEY CAN JUST FOCUS ON WHAT THEY DO BEST.

AND THAT'S THE HISTORICAL SIDE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, I GUESS, GENERAL OVERVIEW OF LIKE, WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO COME UP WITH OF THE BEST SOLUTION THAT'S GONNA MAKE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE UPSET, RIGHT? UM, BUT ALSO WHAT'S SUSTAINABLE, UM, WHEN I, I BUILT A SMALL BUSINESS PLAN WITH THIS, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE WE CAN PRODUCE, UM, THIS THING NOT, COULD ONLY BREAK EVEN, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY EX PROBABLY A HUNDRED PERCENT GAIN ON WHAT OUR EXPENSES ARE, RIGHT? AND THIS IS JUST MORE IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN MAKE TO OUR CITY.

SO IF WE HAVE A SOLID PLAN LINED OUT, AND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE WORK BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL, UH, E-D-C-D-M-D CITY STAFF, IT'S GONNA BE THE NONPROFITS, EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE DECIDE TO GO THIS ROUTE, WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACTUALLY SPEND MONEY TO IMPROVE THIS PLACE.

BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, IF WE'RE ASKING CITIZENS OR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON TO COME THERE, WE NEED MAKE SURE WE HAVE OUR, UM, OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD, RIGHT? WE DO NOT WANT THE PLACE TO BE DILAPIDATED WHEN WE'RE ASKING OUTSIDERS TO COME IN AND SEE OUR HOME.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA DO IT RIGHT? RIGHT.

UM, BUT WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT TO ALL CITIZENS.

EVERYBODY THAT PAYS TAXES, NOT JUST THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, HAVE HAD SO MUCH IMPACT TO THAT, THAT ORGANIZATION.

SO, UM, I GUESS OPEN IT UP FOR GOT COMMENTS.

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, PLEASE, UH, RIP ME APART.

THAT'S FINE.

MAYOR.

JUST WANT TO BACK UP.

I KNOW I HEARD THE QUOTE ABOUT 13,000 FOR AN ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT.

WAS THERE ALSO, UH, A QUOTE ABOUT REPAIRING THE HVAC SYSTEM? YES.

I, I DON'T REMEMBER.

UH, MR. CAREY, WHAT IS THE HVAC? DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS OR, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND 12,000, BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN.

MR. MAGNO, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT NUMBER? 12,000 IS CORRECT FOR THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE A MULTI HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT RUNS THIS FACILITY AS WELL AS THAT FACILITY THAT IS FAILING AND IT IS INTERTWINED WITH THAT ONE.

AND SO WE'RE WAITING ON AN ASSESSMENT FROM THAT COMPANY TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST TO REPAIR THAT, OR IF WE CAN SEPARATE IT FROM THE, FROM THIS SYSTEM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY BOUGHT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

IF WE SEPARATE IT FROM THE SYSTEM, WE LOSE CONTROL REMOTELY.

AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE DEPOT IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS WE WANT TO KEEP THAT.

I DON'T KNOW YET.

SO I DON'T HAVE SOME, I STILL HAVE SOME ANSWERS, UM, OR SOME QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED WITH REGARDS TO THE AIR CONDITIONER.

BUT YES, IF WE WERE TO JUST GO OVER AND REPAIR IT AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THE SOFTWARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AT 12 GRAND.

WE ALSO HAD A $7,000.

SO WE HAD A 13,000 AND A $7,000, UH, QUOTE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER STAMPED, UM, ASSESSMENT.

THE SEVEN, THE CHEAPER OF THE TWO WAS JUST THE FOUNDATION.

WE'VE DECIDED AGAINST THE EXPENDITURE OF BOTH OF THOSE, UM, AS WELL AS THE AIR CONDITIONER BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

IF WE WERE SITTING IN AUGUST, WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE DROPPED THE 12 GRAND, FIXED IT ALREADY MM-HMM .

AND, AND MOVE ON.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, IT IS NOT DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS ISSUE, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED.

AND THAT'S AUTOMATED LOGIC.

THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM.

THAT'S OVER THERE AS WELL.

AND IT'S FAILING HERE TOO.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE ISSUES WITH AUTOMATED LOGIC AND PROBABLY SOME SUBSTANTIAL, UH, EXPENSES RELATED TO THAT JUST FOR THIS PLACE IN THE, FOR CITY HALL AND THE LIBRARY AS WELL.

THE NONPROFITS OUT, AND THEN HAVE A COALITION OF ORGANIZATIONS COME IN TO TRY TO RAISE SUPPORT TO FIX WHAT AILS THE DEPOT.

I I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS A PART AT THE BEGINNING MM-HMM .

AND SO THE, THE, THE PLAN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TO MOVE A COUPLE OF CITY STAFF OVER THERE, MOVE

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JUST SO I'M CLEAR.

AND COUNCILMAN, THIS RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM MRS. MASTERS AND MR. LANGFORD, THEY WANTED, THEY BROUGHT THIS UP TO MR. FUNK PRIVATELY TO MOVE OUR EDC STAFF TO THAT DEPOT.

SO I GUESS THE BIG THING IS, IS CLEAR THAT RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM THEM.

I GUESS THE BIG THING IS, IS WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP TODAY MORE THAN ANYTHING IS, UH, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT GOT A LITTLE HEATED IN HERE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HEARING ABOUT PETITIONS.

THERE WAS NEVER A DISCUSSION TO GET RID OF THE DEPOT.

AND FROM MY CONVERSATIONS, RIGHT, IT WAS NEVER A CONVERSATION TO GET RID OF THE DEPOT.

WE WANTED TO ASK RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PEOPLE.

I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED TO DO WITH IT.

AND THAT'S WHY I INVITED EVERYONE THE LAST TIME.

UM, I WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT MATHEMATICALLY AND FROM WHAT THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE MAKES SENSE.

UM, BUT THE BIG THING IS, IS UM, IT, IT, IT IT IS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PLANS WE HAVE COMING INTO THE CITY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, THIS ALL COEXIST WITH IT.

AND IT COULD BE A VERY PROFITABLE SITUATION, BUT IT COULD ALSO JUST BE A REALLY GOOD STAPLE TO HAVE.

THE BIG REASON AS WELL IS IF WE HAVE IT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKS DEPARTMENTS, WELL THIS IS ALSO AN INFORMA INFORMATION CENTER, RIGHT? THIS IS A PLACE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE COME IN.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER WITH THE NONPROFITS TO BE ABLE TO MAN THAT PLACE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

WELL, IF WE CAN PUT OUR OWN CITY STAFF WHERE THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB THERE, AND THAT IS A SECONDARY TASK THAT WE TASK THEM WITH, UM, IT'S NOW SOMEWHAT SUSTAINABLE.

SO, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE STAFF OUT THERE.

ARE WE GONNA GIVE THEIR OFFICES TO NONPROFITS? WE'RE MOVING 'EM IN CITY ALL.

NO.

SO THAT'S WHAT I, GOD KNOW, NO KICKING NOBODY OUTTA THEIR OFFICE SO WE CAN MOVE SOMEBODY ELSE IN IT.

SO THE WHOLE THING IS, IS THESE ARE NOT HERE.

HERE'S THE, THE WHOLE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS WHOLE THING WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS EVERYTHING AND NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE A CONCESSION.

SO WE WANT THE NONPROFITS TO STAY THERE AND THEN, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO FUND IT.

WE CAN'T FUND IT WITH TAX PAYING DOLLARS WHEN ONLY WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NORMAL OPERATIONS GOING ON WHEN WE'RE TAKING OUT OF OUR BUDGET.

BUT WHAT I WAS TALKING WITH MR. LANGFORD IS THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS FOR, IS WHERE CAN WE PUT THEM AND HELP THEM, BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO, UM, THE CONVERSATION HIM AND I HAD, IT WAS ALSO NEED.

SO I HAVE NOT TALKED TO DICKINSON BEAUTIFUL YET INTIMATELY ABOUT THAT.

BUT I KNOW WHAT HIS NEED IS.

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HER NEED IS OR THEIR NEED IS, AND THEN WE CAN FIND A BETTER SOLUTION.

WE CANNOT HAVE NONPROFITS COEXISTING WITH OUR CITY STAFF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

WHEN THERE'S A LOCK ON THE DOOR, THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE IS A LOCK ON THE DOOR.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESS ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE CREDENTIALS.

THEY ARE, THEY HAVE A, A NEED TO KNOW BASIS, BASICALLY.

OH.

SO THAT, I GUESS THAT'S THE THE REASON WHY IT WOULD BE HARD TO HAVE THEM ALL COEXIST TO EACH OTHER.

MY, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY WE CAN'T EXPEND MONEY ON THAT BUILDING IF WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE IN IT.

WE OWN THE BUILDING.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

I'M SAYING WE, I CAN'T, IN MY HEAD GONNA SAY, THIS IS JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.

THIS IS, WE'RE ONE OF, I'M ONE OF SEVEN, RIGHT? I AM JUST SAYING, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT MONEY INTO THIS THING, HOW CAN WE MAN IT WITH THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CURRENTLY USING IT AS AN OFFICE SPACE? I CAN'T MAN IT WITHOUT OFFICE SPACES.

THERE IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

I I ALSO HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU, MR. TOWNSEND.

WHAT'S THAT? UM, I'VE HAD MULTIPLE OTHER FOLKS COME OUT AND SUGGEST, WELL, IF WE HAVE A NONPROFIT, WHY CAN'T WE STAY THERE RENT FREE? SO WHY NOT? IF WE'RE ALLOWING THESE TWO, UM, AGENCIES TO STAY THERE, OR ORGANIZATIONS, PERHAPS WE OPEN IT UP TO DICKINSON LITTLE LEAGUE AND SOFTBALL AND EVERY OTHER CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION OR NONPROFIT, OR 5 0 1 3 C.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR'S TRYING TO SAY, IS THAT WHAT GIVES THOSE TWO THE RIGHT TO, TO THAT PARTICULAR, UM, CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

I UNDERSTOOD.

WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT.

I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.

I THINK MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT HE SAID, BUT WHAT I THOUGHT HE SAID WAS, YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY SPENDING MONEY ON THAT BUILDING IF WE DON'T HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES OUT THERE.

MY CONDITION, I, I CAN SPEND CITY MONEY ON THAT BUILDING OUT THERE.

'CAUSE I OWN THE BUILDING.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT BY DEFINITELY.

NO.

SO WHAT I, YEAH.

WHAT I MEANT BY, I, I COULDN'T, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY MAN THE SPACE WITHOUT PUTTING SOME ONE OF OUR OWN PEOPLE THERE.

SO THEREFORE WE CAN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SUSTAINABLE PLAN.

SO NOW WE CAN'T JUSTIFY THE EXPENDITURES.

THE EASY TO SEE USED TO BE OUT THERE IN THE FAR OFFICE.

THERE, UH, FORGET ABOUT BEING HOT IN THE SUMMER.

CAN I, UH, JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

HAVING BEEN OUT AT THAT BUILDING, UH, WHEN THE EDC WAS LOCATED

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IT'S BEING COLD IN THE WINTER.

SO THAT REPLACING THAT AIR CONDITIONER, WE SHOULD DO IT THIS WINTER.

IF WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING THAT, UH, THE WAY THE, THE OFFICE AREA OF THAT BUILDING IS SET UP, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THREE SEPARATE ROOMS. SO THERE MIGHT BE A WAY THAT WE CAN CREATE MAYBE THE WEST ROOM OF THAT BUILDING, LET THE NON-PROFITS SHARE THAT ROOM, BOTH NON-PROFITS.

'CAUSE IN ALL HONESTY, IT'S THE SAME MEMBERS OF BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.

I KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PEOPLE.

THEY JUST PUT DIFFERENT HATS ON DEPENDING ON WHAT MEETING THEY'RE IN.

AND FIND A WAY TO WORK THAT OUT WHERE WE CAN LOCK THAT DOOR BETWEEN THE WEST OFFICE AND THE TWO, TWO OTHER OFFICES.

UM, IT IS, UH, LEMME TELL YOU, I'M ALL FOR DOING SOMETHING WITH THE DEPOT.

WE HAVE SPENT AN UNGODLY AMOUNT OF MONEY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS ON THAT PIECE OF BUILDING.

WE HAVE A NICE FACILITY OUT THERE, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT USED AS FAR AS THE MEETING ROOM GOES.

YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA RESERVE THAT FOR PUBLIC AND OR NONPROFITS TO USE FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY.

MOST OF THOSE NONPROFITS ACTUALLY MEET DURING THE WEEK, THE CONFERENCE ROOM? NO.

SO THE CONFERENCE ROOM IS EVERY DAY.

CONFERENCE ROOM IS EVERY DAY.

THE, THE RENTAL OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

WITH DICKINSON BEAUTIFUL.

SO FOR AN EVENT, THAT WOULD ONLY BE WHEN THE PLACE IS CLOSED.

SO WHEN WE, WE DON'T HAVE OPERATIONS HAPPENING.

WHEN THE EDC WAS OUT THERE, WE DID SHARE THAT BUILDING MM-HMM .

AND WHOEVER ELSE WAS IN THAT BUILDING.

UH, WE FOUND A WAY TO WORK THAT OUT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'D JUST BE A MATTER OF GOING BACK IN AGREEMENT AND MAYBE WE PUT A LOCK ON THAT CENTER DOOR IN THERE TO, TO SEPARATE THE TWO.

UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN THE EDC WAS OUT THERE, WE INVOLVED A LOT OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND, AND STUFF SO THAT THEY COULD OPERATE OUT OF THERE.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

WE MAY NOT NEED ALL OF THAT.

NOW.

WE MAY BE ABLE TO CUT THAT BUILDING LOOSE AND LET THEM OPERATE ON A WIFI TO ACCESS THE, THE CITY COMPUTERS.

AS FAR AS THE FUTURE PARTS DEPARTMENT OUT THERE, I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT PLACE FOR IT IS TO, TO PUT IT THERE.

UM, BUT I'M ALL FOR RE REPLACING THE AIR CONDITIONING HEATING UNIT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT AND ACTIVELY GOING AFTER ORGANIZATIONS TO RENT THAT CONFERENCE ROOM OR RENT THE FACILITY.

AND, AND SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WANTED THE DISCUSSION TO HAPPEN IS TO AT LEAST START IT.

I, I'M GONNA THROW OUT AN IDEA AND LIKE, TWO THINGS ARE PROBABLY GONNA STICK, BUT AT LEAST IT STARTS THE CONVERSATION, RIGHT? SO, UM, I WANT ANYONE LISTENING TO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS HOW IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

THIS IS JUST THE START OF, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS ACTUALLY MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO COME UP WITH A, A SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION FOR THIS PLACE.

UM, BUT THEN ALSO MAKE IT, TURN IT INTO EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE DESCRIBED IT TO.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE, RIGHT? A MUSEUM AND A PLACE FOR NONPROFITS TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THEIR MEETINGS OUT OF.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS, IF, IF THAT PLACE, IF, IF IT DOES GET THE WORK IT NEEDS DONE AND IT STARTS TO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY COOL PLACE THAT YOU COULD TAKE SOME PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, BRING INTO THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

UM, IT'S JUST ANOTHER KEY COMPONENT.

UM, KIND OF A LITTLE, A BIT OF A ANCHOR POINT.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME.

BUT I WANT, I WANT THE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING IS, IS THE MAIN THING.

ONE OF THE, ACTUALLY, THE POINT I INTENDED TO MAKE FIRST IS THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH DICK'S BEAUTIFUL HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO LET THEM STAY IN THOSE OFFICES OUT THERE.

IF THEY PROVIDED A PERSON OUT THERE THAT COULD OPEN THE MUSEUM UP AND SHOW IT, MAYBE THAT COULD BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT ON TUESDAY THEY PROVIDED INDIVIDUAL OUT THERE TO OPEN THE MUSEUM UP AND OPERATE IT.

AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I PLANNED ON.

UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER, UH, MR. LANGFORD AND I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IS, UH, JUST KIND OF, ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO, RIGHT? SO WHAT CAN Y'ALL BRING TO THE TABLE FOR US, UH, TO HELP OUT WITH THIS SITUATION? AND THEN WHAT DO YOU GUYS NEED FROM US TO HELP OUT YOUR SITUATION? 'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WE DO COEXIST WITH EACH OTHER AND WE ARE ALL FIGHTING FOR THE SAME MISSION.

SO THIS ISN'T A OH, I WIN OR YOU, YOU LOSE.

IT'S A HOW CAN WE HAUL WIN AND GET WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING OUTTA THIS PLACE.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST AND YOU SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS THAT PUT ON THAT, UM, THAT EVENT RECENTLY MM-HMM .

I MEAN, AND I DROVE PAST IT AND SAW PLENTY OF CARS OUT THERE.

IT'S WHAT I ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING REGULARLY.

AND, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THE CITY'S DOING THEIR PART.

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HOWEVER, TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BIT MORE CREATIVE SOLUTION.

SO, SO ARE Y'ALL THE LAST TIME THEY, WELL, THE FIRST TIME THEY DID THIS BACK IN THE, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WHEN THEY GOT THE STATE GRANT MM-HMM .

THEY HAD TO REPLACE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WAS THE ROOFING AND ALL THAT.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO GO OUT FOR GRANTS, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ALL THAT AGAIN, WHERE YOU'RE TIED DOWN ON HOW YOU CAN UPGRADE IT, OR YOU JUST GONNA GO IN THERE AND START FIXING STUFF USING DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAN WHAT THEY THEY DID ON THE ORIGINAL GRANT MM-HMM .

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE NO BUSINESS TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT SIDE.

I'M LOOKING FROM 30,000 FEET LOOKING DOWN, TRYING TO, I GUESS BIG PICTURE.

UM, THAT IS DEFINITELY A QUESTION WE NEED TO GET ANSWERED THOUGH.

I BELIEVE MAYOR, UH, MR. DOE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AFTER A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS OR SO, THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND STIPULATIONS FROM THAT GRANT ARE NO LONGER WE CAN OUTFIT THAT THE WAY WE WANT.

TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE WEATHER, YOU KNOW? SO, AND THE OTHER THING IS, I DO KNOW THAT THERE, UM, JUST FROM RESEARCH, I DO KNOW THERE ARE GRANTS THAT WE CAN GO AFTER TO FOUR MUSEUMS. UM, TALKING TO, UH, HGAC, BAY, H PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS LIKE THAT, I KNOW THAT THOSE EXIST OUT THERE.

UM, SO WE COULD TRY, IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A PLAN MOVING FORWARD AND ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SORT OF PAPERWORK THAT SHOWS THE PLAN, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, AND WE GO AND APPLY FOR A GRANT, THAT THAT COULD BE A WAY TO PAY FOR SOME OF THAT AS WELL.

UM, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANNA HAPPEN IS WE TALK ABOUT IT ONE MEETING AND THEN WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT IN EIGHT MONTHS AND THEN SOMEONE GETS MAD ABOUT IT AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN.

LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, FIX IT AND MOVE ON.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS THING JUST LOOMING OVER OUR HEADS FOR THE NEXT 3, 4, 5 YEARS.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

SO THE AC UNIT CON INCLUDES A HEATER? YES.

THE TOTAL WEIGHT WRAP HEATER AN AC UNIT AT ALL.

SO YOU GOTTA GET THAT MOISTURE OUT THERE OR MOLD LIKE CRAZY.

HOLD ON.

YOU EVEN IN THE WINTERTIME, YOU GOTTA GET THE DAMPNESS OUTTA THERE.

WE ARE PRESENTLY RUNNING DEHUMIDIFIERS INSIDE THAT BUILDING.

IS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, ARE WE FINANCIALLY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, I GUESS WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SITUATION WITH IT TO WHERE PRIORITY LIST WISE? I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAD POP UP IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, SO, UM, YES SIR.

WE HAVE, GO AHEAD MR. MAGIA.

SO, SO THE, MY CONCERN IS NOT THE $12,000, I BELIEVE WE HAVE IT.

UM, MY CONCERN IS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE AWAITING THE SOFTWARE COMPANY TO TELL US HOW TO MAKE IT COMPATIBLE.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IS PUT HARDWARE IN THAT WASN'T COMPLETELY COMPATIBLE.

MACKEY DID A GREAT JOB IN SAYING, HEY, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BUY, I'M GONNA MAKE IT WORK.

HOWEVER, THE SOFTWARE COMPANY CAME IN AND SAID, THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S CREATING THESE PROBLEMS. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE AN ASSESSMENT.

I JUST GOT AN EMAIL LITERALLY TODAY THAT SAYS THIS IS THE PRICE OF THE NEW SOFTWARE UPGRADE AND THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL NEED TO DO.

BUT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT ASSESSMENT PRICE BACK FROM THEM.

AND THAT IS GONNA COME WITH WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO GET US UP AND RUNNING WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT OPERATES ALL OF THIS CORRECTLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PATCHING IT FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS.

IF WE PUT THE $12,000 INTO THE DEPOT RIGHT NOW, IT'S A PATCH.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IT MAY COST US MORE MONEY IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT SOFTWARE OPERATING SYSTEM.

SO WHAT'S THE SOFTWARE DO? YEAH.

YOU RUN INTO EVERYTHING.

IT'S A COMPUTER SOFTWARE PROGRAM.

YOU CAN LOG IN RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN PULL UP THE ENTIRE SYSTEM AND YOU CAN UH, SEE THE ZONES AND YOU CAN CONTROL THE CONTROLLERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT IT'S SO COMPLICATED.

THEY PUT IT ON TOP OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT IT CAN'T HANDLE IT.

THAT'S THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN THIS CITY.

THE HVAC SYSTEM HAS FAILED AND IT'S THE SOFTWARE.

I CAN GO FIX THE HVAC.

NOW WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE ISSUES.

THE LIBRARY HVAC FAILED THE SAME DAY OR SAME WEEK WHEN THE DEPOTS DID.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA FIX THE, THE LIBRARIES FIRST.

THERE ARE ISSUES THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RESOLVE AND, AND BE EFFICIENT WITH OUR FUNDS AND OUR TAX DOLLARS.

THAT IS WHY IT HAS NOT BEEN FIXED.

I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT SOFTWARE SAVES US MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.

NOW, I THINK THE DEPOT PROBABLY COULD USE A CHEAP PROGRAMMABLE COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS THERMOSTAT AND FIX A SYSTEM AND DISCONNECT IT FROM THE, FROM, FROM WHAT, WHAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW.

THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE BEEN PATCHING IT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND PUTTING NON-COMPATIBLE OR, OR, OR NOT DOING IT CORRECTLY BY HAVING ONE OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES OUT HERE AND SAYING, YOU NEED TO PUT THIS IN HERE.

AND THAT'S WHERE, SO NOW WE HAVE VALVES THAT ARE LOCKED OPEN, PUMPING COLD AIR INTO ONE ROOM AND HOT AIR INTO THE SAME ROOM.

CLEARLY THAT'S NOT EFFICIENT AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP THE SYSTEM RUNNING.

'CAUSE AS SOON AS THEY TURN ONE OF THOSE VALVES OFF, IT FLIPS A, IT FLIPS A CIRCUIT AND THEN IT SHUTS COMPLETELY DOWN.

WE CALL THEM, MACKEY COMES OUT, COSTS US A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEY TELL US IT DOESN'T WORK.

AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT CYCLE OF WASTING MONEY AND DOING IT CORRECTLY.

TO ME, RIGHT

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IF THAT'S THE DECISION, WE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LEANING TO WE, BUT WE MAY LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE DO THAT TO THEN CONTROL IT REMOTELY IF WE DO COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN AND WE WANT TO, UH, CONTROL IT REMOTELY.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU FOLKS NOW IS GIVE ME ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO.

'CAUSE WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO GETTING SOME ANSWERS.

AND THEN WHEN I GET THOSE ANSWERS, I CAN MAKE A BETTER, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON SHOULD WE DISCONNECT IT FROM THE, THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE USING AND IT LET IT BE INDEPENDENT OR NOT.

WELL THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

WON'T YOU JUST CUT IT A LOOSE? IT AIN'T THAT BIG A BUILDING.

JUST SET THE THERMOSTAT 8 72 DEGREES AND WALK AWAY FROM, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT WAS EVER PUT INTO THE SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH, BUT PERHAPS THOSE FOLKS THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WE WANTED TO OPERATE IT.

'CAUSE THIS SYSTEM IS BIGGER THAN THE HVAC.

IT IS.

IT'S THE LIGHTS, IT'S THE POWER.

IT CONTROLS THE ENTIRE FACILITY REMOTELY.

IT CAN PULL IT'S ENERGY SOFTWARE PROGRAM.

BASICALLY IT IS THE, IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM THAT DISD USES AND IT SAVES THEM A TON OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY CAN PRO PROGRAM IT WHEN IT WORKS PROPERLY.

WE UH, UM, UNFORTUNATELY HAVE BEEN PATCHING IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND WE'VE MADE IT NOT WORK PROPERLY.

SO NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE VALVES THAT ARE, WE, WE ACTUALLY ARE TRULY, THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

WE'RE PUMPING AIR CONDITIONER AND HEATING INTO THE SAME ROOM TO KEEP IT OPERATIONAL.

AND THAT'S CLEARLY NOT A ENERGY EFFICIENT AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT.

SO THIS IS WHAT DOC, MR. KININ HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US, WITH THE PROFESSIONALS THAT HE KNOWS.

HE'S AN EXPERT WITH THIS WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISD.

HE'S WORKING WITH US WITH HIS EXPERTISE TO HELP US STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT.

THIS IS, UH, IT'S ABSURD.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THE CITY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BROUGHT THIS SOFTWARE IN.

I MEAN, YEARS AGO.

ONE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT'LL MAKE THIS UNDERSTANDABLE FOR Y'ALL IS THAT OUR IT ROOMS NEED TO BE COLD AT ALL TIMES AND THEY'RE NOT ON A SEPARATE SYSTEM AND THEY SHOULD BE.

SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE COST GONNA BE TO PUT TO, TO PUT THOSE ON THEIR OWN SEPARATE SYSTEMS. WCID SIDE OF THE HOUSE HAS A ROOM OR TWO THAT HAS OPEN VALVES, AIR CONDITIONER AND HEATING RUNNING INTO THE SAME ROOM AT THE SAME TIME.

SO ANYWAYS, I'M TRYING TO GET THAT FIXED AND THEN GIMME A COUPLE MORE WEEKS, THEN I'LL HAVE SOME REAL ANSWERS.

GOT TO JANUARY.

ALRIGHT, , ARE Y'ALL CONSIDERING BUYING THE SOFTWARE PATCH? WELL, I, I JUST GOT THE PRICE TODAY.

HAVEN'T EVEN SHOWED IT TO MR. CAREY.

I JUST GOT AN, I SAY THE PRICE.

I JUST GOT AN EMAIL TODAY THAT SAID, HEY, WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, HERE'S WHAT A SOFTWARE UPDATE LOOKS LIKE.

YOU HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN FIVE YEARS, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THREE, NOT JUST ONE.

AND THAT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW.

I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE 12 OR 13 GRAND.

SO THERE'S ALL THESE PRICES THAT COME WITH THIS.

SO ONCE I GET THE DATA, THEN I CAN PROVIDE IT TO Y'ALL AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION IF IT'S WORTHWHILE OR NOT.

I MIGHT BE OUT OF PLACE, BUT I JUST HEARD MR. CAREY SAY WE SHOULD NEVER, THE CITY SHOULD NEVER BROUGHT THE SOFTWARE IN.

WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL FOR THE ENTIRE CITY TO THROW IT ON TOP OF OUR HARDWARE.

NOW YOU MEAN FOR JUST WASN'T EFFICIENT FOR EVERY LOCATION? YEAH, YEAH.

WELL I'M SPEAKING OF THE ENTIRE CITY DROPPED THEM ON, ON ALL OUR BUILDINGS AND IT WASN'T, I DON'T THINK THEY DID THE DUE DILIGENCE AND THE HOMEWORK TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK.

IT'D BE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE NEED.

WE'RE NOT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE BUILDINGS.

WE HAVE A FEW BUILDINGS.

VERY SIMPLE.

AND THEY MADE IT VERY COMPLICATED.

SO, AND WE'VE ADDED HARDWARE THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE.

I COMPRESSORS AND HANDLING UNITS AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU RUSHED INTO GETTING IT FIXED.

LIKE WE HAD ONE GO DOWN IN AUGUST OR WHATEVER AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, THAT'S AN EMERGENCY.

WE GOTTA GET THAT FIXED.

AND YOU, YOU PUT SOMETHING IN MACKEY MAKES IT WORK FOR US, THANK YOU MACKEY.

BUT THEN, THEN THE COMPANY SAYS, HEY, I WOULD'VE NEVER PUT THAT IN THERE AND HERE'S WHY.

BUT THE GOAL IS TO UTILIZE IT PROPERLY SO THAT WE CAN BE EFFICIENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH DOC AND MR. POLK AND EVERYONE TO BE EFFICIENT WITH THE SOFTWARE.

SO, SO I SHOULD HAVE AN ANSWER WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, AT LEAST BY THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO GIVE Y'ALL AN INTELLIGENT DATA COLLECTED, UM, DECISION TO MAKE ON HOW, WHAT IT'LL COST TO GET US BACK TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE OR JUST SEPARATE FROM THIS SYSTEM ALTOGETHER.

AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ON A AGENDA ITEM, CAN WE JUST PUT THAT ON, UM, STAFF UPDATE? SO STAFF LIKE ONE OF Y'ALL YES SIR.

UPDATES, UM, OF COURSE FOR NEXT AGENDA ITEM OR NEXT MEETING.

UM, BUT LIKE I, WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN AS SIMPLE AS DO THIS, THIS AND THIS.

AND YEAH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT CAN WE FIX AIR CONDITIONER $12,000? YES.

BUT, BUT AS A VERY LONG COMPLICATED ANSWER.

JUST REAL QUICK, AND I HATE TO THROW A WRENCH IN THE WORKS HERE, BUT I WILL, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO DO A MOLD ASSESSMENT OR AIR QUALITY ON THAT THING BEFORE WE START SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY.

'CAUSE I KNOW I WITNESSED IT MYSELF ON THE DEPOT, A LOT OF MOLD ON THE CEILINGS YEARS AGO.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DEPOT? AND THEY PAINTED, RIGHT? YES.

OVER THE MOLD.

I DON'T DO THAT.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN PEOPLE COMPLAIN IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, THE FIRE STATION EMS AND IT DID HAVE SOME TOXIC MOLD IN THERE.

WE'VE GOT ALL THAT CORRECTED 'CAUSE THE HUMIDITY LEVELS.

BUT I REALLY THINK BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT THERE.

THAT WAS A PART OF THE HIGHER DOLLAR ASSESSMENT PROPOSAL.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WENT IN THERE AND THEY PUT ALL THAT HEDGE OR SOMETHING AROUND THERE AND THEN ALL THE MULCH AND ALL THAT AND IT'S FLOATED DOWN THERE PLUGGING THE DRAIN SO THEY CAN'T DRAIN.

SO, UNDERSTOOD.

NOW ONE MORE THING, I, I DIDN'T MAKE IT OUT THERE WITH COUNCILMAN SCH, BUT

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SO WHEN I GOT THE $13,000, SO DO WE TAKE ALL THAT? WELL, WHEN I GOT THAT ASSESSMENT BACK, I SAID, WHOA, WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.

HOW MUCH FOR JUST THE FOUNDATION TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? AND THAT'S WHEN I GOT THE 7,000 I BELIEVE IS WHAT IT WAS.

SO, WELL, CAN WE JUST GO OUT THERE AND GET THE MULCH OUT OF THERE SO THE WATER WILL DRAIN? YEAH.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN ENGINEERING STAMP.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE CAN DO THAT.

SO I THINK WE CAN, CAN WE, WE GOT STABBED AND I HAVE AN ENGINEER AND SOMEONE THAT I TRUST VERY WELL AND DON'T TAKE 'EM OUT THERE AND THEY'LL TELL ME EXACTLY BEFORE YOU, SO WE'RE MORE GRASS, SO SURELY WE CAN GO OUT THERE IN THE WINTER TIME AND OF COURSE CLEAN ALL THAT GARBAGE OUT THERE SO THE WATER WILL DRAIN.

THAT'LL SOLVE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

I I PROMISE YOU GUYS MORE ANSWERS IN A COUPLE WEEKS OR AT LEAST BY THE JANUARY MEETING.

'CAUSE THEY'RE COMING.

IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S BEEN COMPLICATED.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO BRING UP ANY IDEAS FOR THE DEPOT OR ANY SOLUTIONS? UM, IS THERE ANYONE ACTUALLY, I KNOW I'M NOT, I DON'T, USUALLY NOT ANYONE IN THE, THE OUT THERE IN THE STANDS WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IF THEY HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THE DEPOT OR TO ADD TO ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS.

UM, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS.

THIS IS NOT OUR DECISION.

THIS IS THE CITY'S DECISION.

UM, SO I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY.

I WAS LIKE, PLEASE SOMEONE COME UP HERE.

NO, GO AHEAD.

SO MR. TOWNSEND, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BACK IN TWO THOU 2018 I STARTED DOING HOLIDAY MARKETS AT THAT DEPOT.

IT WAS A SPONSORSHIP WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WITH JOAN.

UM, I DID IT FOR A WHILE UNTIL HER AND THEO HAD THEIR OUT AND I STEPPED OUT.

SO I WASN'T PART OF CITY AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY CHAOS.

UM, AND I MOVED TO THE KC HALL.

IT WASN'T UNTIL DEBBIE TURNER CAME TO ME AND ASKED ME TO BRING IT BACK TO THE DEPOT TO SAVE THE DEPOT.

UM, BUT I WOULD GIVE TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ANYWHERE FROM 2000 TO $3,000, HALF OR EVEN 75% OF MY PROFITS, UM, BACK TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

SO, AND SO I WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS AS WELL.

'CAUSE I, IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WERE THE ONES THAT WERE PUTTING ON THAT THING, I WOULD LIKE TO GET Y'ALL BRAIN.

WELL YOU MEAN DEBBIE DEV DEBBIE APPROACH? ME, YOU KNOW, DEBBIE, BUT I PRETTY MUCH RAN THE EVENT.

UM, I RUN THE MARKET ON THE BAYOU OUT THERE AT LEAGUE CITY.

UM, BUT I WAS DOING EVENTS PRIOR TO DEBBIE.

SHE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT EVENTS.

BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, I WAS BRINGING BETWEEN TWO TO $3,000 OKAY.

FROM THE HOLIDAY MARKET TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR ONE MARKET.

NOW, IVAN LANGFORD ASKED ME TO START DOING A MARKET THERE QUARTERLY.

UM, SO I, I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT WE WELL THAT'S WHAT I WANNA TALK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT AS WELL IS ACTUALLY DOING IT WAS A MONTHLY DEAL, BUT THAT ONCE AGAIN, IT WASN'T JUST YOU GUYS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN WE'RE, I'M TRYING TO GET WITH MULTIPLE ENTITIES THAT WOULD PUT ON EVENTS.

SO WE'RE CYCLING THROUGH LET'S SAY FOUR EVENTS A MONTH.

UM, SO IT'S NOT THE REPETITIVE AND THE SAME VENDORS AND ALL OF THAT.

SO THAT WAS THE IDEA.

BUT I WANT TO PICK YOUR BRAIN 'CAUSE I DO YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY GET 60 VENDORS IN THERE.

UM, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE FOOD TRUCKS.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT.

MAKE SURE NOTHING'S GOING ON WITH THE CHURCH AT THE SAME TIME.

HOWEVER, THE OTHER IDEA WHICH WOULD MAKE REALLY TRUE SENSE IS MOVING THE DEPOT DOWN HERE ACROSS THE STREET AND MAKING THAT OUR VISITOR CENTER ON TOP OF OKAY.

A BIGGER EVENT PLANNING CENTER FOR VENUES.

UM, YOU CAN MAKE A REALLY NICE VENUE RIGHT THERE WITH THE DEPOT AND RENT IT OUT FOR EVEN MORE THAN WHAT YOU CAN RIGHT NOW FOR THE DEPOT.

I KNOW, I THINK IT WAS 400.

IS IT 'CAUSE OF THE SPACE? BECAUSE OF THE SPACE? MM-HMM .

YOU CAN HAVE MORE WEDDINGS, BIGGER WEDDINGS AND PEOPLE WILL DO IT.

IN FACT, THE LAST WEDDING THAT WE I SHOT THERE WAS THE LAST WEDDING THAT WAS EVER HELD THERE.

OKAY? MM-HMM .

LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WILL HAVE TO, UH, I WANTED TO AFTER THIS OR JUST LEAVE YOUR NAME WITH, UH, IF YOU LEAVE BEFOREHAND, MAYOR, BECAUSE WE GOTTA GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE HAVE A MEETING, WE HAVE A MEETING, MEETING A MEETING WITH CHASE ON THURSDAY MORNING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK.

I'LL PROBABLY SHOW UP THEN MEET WITH US.

I'M COME HANG OUT MORE THAN WELCOME.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, THAT WASN'T AN OFFICIAL PETITION.

WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID TO BRING AWARENESS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S AN OFFICIAL PETITION, RIGHT? NO, I I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO SEEM NEGATIVE.

IT'S ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE THAT, PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT WAS THERE.

PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

BUT I MEAN, WE DID HEAR A COUPLE MONDAYS AGO THAT THAT PROPERTY IS PRIME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THAT KIND OF THE CITY WANTS IT AND THAT POSSIBLY MOVING OVER TO

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THIS.

SO.

AND SO THAT'S, UH, NOT EVEN A, I GUESS WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY SAID WELL, IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT SOMEHOW.

CAME FROM THE ASSISTANT.

CITY MANAGER, WHATEVER MATT IS.

BUT, UM, I HAD SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT MONEY AND I DON'T EVER WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE LITTLE LEAGUE DOES AND DOESN'T GET EVER AGAIN FROM ANYONE IN THIS CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE GIVEN THEM $350,000 FREE AND CLEAR WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S NOT EVEN BEING USED OVER THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THE LITTLE LEAGUE HAS A HOUSE ON IT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE DEPOT.

I'M THE SAYING WAY Y'ALL SIT HERE AND SAY SOME NONPROFITS ARE GETTING STUFF.

I THINK THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM WHOEVER SAID IT.

SOME ARE.

YOU MENTIONED THE LITTLE LEAGUE.

YOU KNOW, WELL IT'S JUST ANOTHER NONPROFIT.

SO I GET I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DATE.

YES MA'AM.

BUT YOU KNOW, I ALL RIGHT.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE THERE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION TOPICS, ITEMS ABOUT THIS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

AND WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU WANNA HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AGAIN? YOU, YOU EXPRESSED THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PICK IT UP AND PUT IT BACK DOWN AND NEVER NO, NO, NO.

SO, WELL, I WAS GONNA WAIT UNTIL WE GET THIS UPDATE AND THEN WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION AFTER THAT.

TIM.

FOUR.

I DON'T WANT MAKE, TRY TO MAKE ANY DECIS.

I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK WE COULD MAKE ANY REAL DECISIONS WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION.

SO I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT.

I WOULD JUST, YEAH.

SO LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE JANUARY MEETING AND THEN MAYBE AFTER THAT, DURING THAT MEETING, WE PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SUSPEND THE RULES AND READ THEM, READ THE ITEM SEVEN, F, G, D, AND E NEXT.

I DUNNO IF THAT'S, IS THAT FOR, OKAY.

F INSTEAD OF SEVEN D UH, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS TO AMEND CHAPTER 18, SECTION 18 DASH 44.

SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE ORDER, NOT ADDING ANYTHING.

SUBTRACT ANYTHING, JUST CHANGING THE ORDER.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO SEVEN

[7.F. ORDINANCE NO. XXXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance of the City of Dickinson, Texas, to amend Chapter 18, Sec. 18-44. Registration of Nonconformities (a) Registration Required of the City of Dickinson's Unified Development Code by amending through removal of the one year time constraint requiring the registration of a nonconforming nonresidential use, structure, sign or site feature; providing a repealer clause. (1st Reading) (Community Development)]

REGISTRATION OF NONCONFORMITIES, A REGISTRATION REQUIRED OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING THROUGH, UH, REMOVAL OF THE ONE YEAR TIME CONSTRAINT REQUIRING THE REGISTRATION OF A NONCONFORMING RESIDENTIAL USE STRUCTURE SIGN OR SITE FEATURE, PROVIDING A REPEAL CLAUSE.

FIRST READING.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS FOR THE COUNCIL? DIDN'T WE? SO I THOUGHT WE DID THIS ALREADY.

SO I THINK WE, IT SAYS FIRST READING, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

SO THIS ONE WE HAD THE CONVERSATION OF HOW TO FIX IT.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL, I THINK ORDINANCE THAT WHERE THEY TOOK THE LANGUAGE OUT.

IT DOESN'T SAY REQUIRED ANYMORE.

IT SAYS SHALL OR NO, UH, MAY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

ITS MAY.

SO IT'S, SO WE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHERE, UH, WE INITIALLY ASKED COUNCIL TO DIRECT US, UM, WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THE NON-CONFORMING.

SO WE DID THAT AND TO INITIATE THE TEXT AMENDMENT PROCESS, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT TO P AND Z FIRST, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN WE TAKE IT TO P UH, CITY COUNCIL FOR TWO READINGS.

SO I THINK PART OF THIS WAS BECAUSE WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S REQUIRED THAT THEY HAVE TO REGISTER.

AND NOW IT SHOWS THAT YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO.

AND IT ACTUALLY ARTICULATES THAT IN THE LANGUAGE.

I REMEMBER ASKING TO PURSUE THIS CHANGE.

MAYBE I HEARD IT IN PNZ AT A P.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GO TO ALL THE MEETINGS AND YOU JUST STARTS BLENDING TOGETHER.

YEAH, YEAH.

I GET YOU.

SO THIS IS HOW THE, UH, WE ACTUALLY DID AMEND THE LANGUAGE.

DO REPLACE THE SHALL WITH MAY REMOVE THE ONE YEAR.

AND IT SAYS, MAY BE FOUND IN A VIOLATION OF THIS UDC RATHER THAN SHALL BE SOUNDS SUBJECTIVE.

OR SUBJECTIVE I SHOULD SAY.

SO WHEN DOES MAY OCCUR? IT IS, IT SAYS THE SUBJECT NON-CONFORMITY MAY BE FOUND IN, MAY BE FOUND IN A VIOLATION.

SO IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY OTHER VIOLATION THAT WE BELIEVE THAT STAFF BELIEVES, UH, IS IN EXISTENCE.

UH, STAFF WOULD ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IF IT'S NOT CORRECTED OR IF THE OWNER, UH, DISAGREES BECAUSE OF HIS, YOU KNOW, SUBJECTIVITY.

UH, HE CAN PUSH IT TO A VIOLATION, NOT LIKE A, AN ACTUAL CITATION.

TAKE IT TO COURT.

AND THEN THE, UH, DECISION MAKER, IT'S GONNA BE THE JURY.

APPROVAL OF F IS TO REDUCE THE NEED TO DO D AND E.

WHAT ELSE WE GOT? SO I GUESS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING,

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IS THAT WHY WE'RE TAKING 'EM OUT OF ORDER? BECAUSE I, I, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE P AND Z ON THE PREVIOUS ITEMS, THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT REPEALING, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE PREVENTED.

IS THAT NOT WHY, UH, THE, I THINK G THE NEXT ONE G IS THE ONE THAT'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF, UH, D AND E.

SO THIS ONE IS SEPARATE.

THIS ONE IS JUST TO SHOW THAT, UH, INDIVIDUALS, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO REGISTER A NON-CONFORMING SITUATION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

THE ONLY THING IS, IS WHEN YOU GO TO WANT TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT NON-CONFORMING ENTITY, YOU JUST HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE CONFORMING PRE UDC.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT'S STATING.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO, FOR ORDINANCE TO, FOR AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS TO AMEND CHAPTER 18, SUBSECTION 18 DASH 7.4, URBAN TRANSITION IN SECTION 18 DASH 12, CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING THE PERMITTED USES IN THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT TO NOW INCLUDE CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES AND PATIO HOMES PROVIDING A REPEAL CLAUSE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

MOTION PASS.

SEVEN G

[7.G. ORDINANCE NO. XXXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance to for an ordinance of the City of Dickinson, Texas, to amend Chapter 18, Subsec. 18-7.4. Urban Transition (UT) and Sec. 18-12. Consolidated Use Table of the City of Dickinson's Unified Development Code by amending the permitted uses in the Urban Transition (UT) zoning district to now include Conventional Detached Homes and Patio Homes; providing a repealer clause. (1st reading) (Community Development)]

FIRST READING.

SO MOVED.

GOT A MOTION? DO I GOT A SECOND? SECOND.

GOT A SECOND.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? I GOT A, GOT A COMMENT.

PERSONALLY, I AGREE WITH THIS.

I THINK IT SHOULD PASS.

'CAUSE I'VE FOUGHT FOR THIS.

I AGREE WITH THIS.

ON A PERSONAL NOTE, THERE'S PEOPLE SITTING AT THIS TABLE RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THAT AUDIENCE THAT KNOW WHAT I'M FIXING TO SAY.

AND THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE LISTENING ON THE AUDIO THAT KNOWS THIS IS GONNA AFFECT ME PERSONALLY.

IT'S GONNA AFFECT MY PO MY POCKETBOOK PERSONALLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAY TO DO WHAT MR. BLACK'S YEAR IS UP HERE FOR ON THE FIRST ONES.

AND DUE TO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ME PERSONALLY AND FINANCIAL WISE, I'M GOING TO STEP DOWN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ME TO VOTE ON THIS.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE? THIS REQUIRES TWO READINGS.

UH, YES, I THINK SO.

AND THAT'S WHY I, OKAY.

SO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT THIS IS DOING IS SAYING THE URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR MAIN PROBLEMS, I WOULD SAY IN OUR UDC, IT ALLOWS NOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS, WHICH IS USUALLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN SOMEONE'S TRYING TO BUILD A HOME IN ONE OF THESE PLACES.

SO, UM, THIS WAS THE WHOLE THING THAT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS OUR UDC IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.

WE CAN CHANGE IT HOW WE SEE FIT FOR THE BEST OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

UM, SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT MOVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

MY ONLY PROBABLY TALKING POINT, UH, ON THIS ITEM, UH, WOULD BE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION VERSUS P AND Z.

UH, AS STAFF RECOMMENDED, WE HAD BOTH THE CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME AND THE PATIO HOME AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

UH, SO THAT WOULD COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

UH, LIKE MR. TOWNSEND SAID, IT IS A $900 FEE FOR THAT, UH, PERMIT.

UM, SO THAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH P AND Z.

P AND Z, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AND THAT PATIO HOMES BE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO THE ALLOWING BY RIGHT FOR THE CONVENTIONAL DETACH WOULD WAIVE THAT, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FEE.

SO I, I WOULD, I GUESS ADVISE WHENEVER YOU MAKE THE MOTION, UH, TO GO WITH EITHER STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR P AND Z RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER COUNCILS SEE FIT.

SO I GUESS JUST FIRST THINKING IS, I, I DON'T SEE WHY WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW IT IN CONDITIONAL USE AND THEN SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE TO PAY A $900 FEE TO CHANGE IT, THEN WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS? SO I GUESS MY WELL IF I, IF I CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, MATT.

SO THAT'S, I DON'T, UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AT ALL THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING IT TO THE ZONING DISTRICT, YET IT'S UNDER CONDITIONAL USE AND WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME THING.

SO IN AS A VARIANCE IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU WILL HAVE THE TABLE OF USES.

SOME OF WHICH USES ARE AS WE SAY,

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IT ALLOWED BY.

AND THAT MEANS THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN MAKE USE OF HIS LAND IN THAT DISTRICT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER APPROVAL FROM THE CITY THAT'S BY.

UM, AND THEN ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM IS A USE WOULD BE PROHIBITED.

YOU KNOW, SO YOU'LL HAVE LIKE USES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED NO MATTER WHAT.

UH, WITHIN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

THERE'S ALSO A MIDDLE GROUND.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR HERE.

AND THAT MIDDLE GROUND IS, IS NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

BUT IT IS ALLOWED BY ANOTHER APPROVAL.

AND HERE IS GONNA BE THAT CUP, THAT CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.

AND THE REASON WHY STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDED TO DO IT THAT WAY VERSUS BY RIGHT, IS THE FEAR THAT IF WE OPENED UP THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT.

WE KIND OF GUT THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT.

UT DISTRICT, IT IS MEANT TO BE AN URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT, NOT LIKE A NORMAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S MAKING IT, UM, THOSE USES, THOSE SINGLE FAMILY USES TO BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER A CUP SIMPLY ALLOWS THE P AND Z AND THE COUNCIL ULTIMATELY TO MAKE THAT DECISION OF WHETHER IN PARTICULAR CASES THEY BELIEVE, Y'ALL BELIEVE THAT THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS APPROPRIATE IN THAT UT ZONING.

IF YOU OPEN IT WIDE OPEN FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES BY RIGHT IN, IN THE UT ZONING, THEN IT, IT KIND OF TAKES AWAY FROM THE REASONS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE THE UT ZONING DISTRICT IN THE FIRST PLACE, KIND OF AS, AS A TRANSITION ZONE.

SO, SO URBAN TRANSITION IS A, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES, APARTMENT BUILDING, STUFF LIKE THAT.

AM AM, AM I CORRECT? IT IS HIGHER DENSITY.

HIGHER DENSITY.

SO I GUESS, HERE'S MY QUESTION.

WE'RE A CITY OF 22,000.

WHY DO WE NEED AN URBAN TRANSITION ZONE? I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A ZONE THAT SAYS WE CAN PUT EIGHT HOMES IN THIS ONE UNIT, BUT WE CAN'T PUT ONE HOME IN THIS ONE UNIT.

SO I TOO BELIEVE YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GO DOWN IN DENSITY IN, IN A ZONE.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THE THING IS LIKE, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO PROHIBIT GOING UP IN DENSITY WHERE YOU'RE ADDING MORE PROBLEMS. BUT IF WE'RE GOING DOWN, WHY NOT USE BY RIGHT.

WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING LESS STRAIN ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BY ALLOWING IT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, OH, WELL WHAT ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES? WELL, WE KNOW PROPERTY TAXES ARE, ARE A PROBLEM IN THE STATE.

UH, CURRENTLY, AS IN THEY ARE COMING AFTER THEM.

REGULARLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO PUT THIS THING AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE AND WE ARE NOT GONNA COLLECT ANY INCOME OFF OF THOSE RENTAL PROPERTIES, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO PUT A HOME ON IT.

THAT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.

UM, WHY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW FOR A LESS DENSE USE.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN COMMERCIAL.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT OUT IN, UH, ON, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO PUT A HOME ON FIVE 17 WHERE WE KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AS OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ZONES.

BUT IF WE'RE IN A AREA WHERE IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL, IT'S JUST HIGHER DENSITY, WHY CAN WE NOT ALLOW FOR LOWER DENSITY? IT'S THE WHY IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S THE, THE ZONING PRINCIPLE OF HAVING YOUR SPECTRUM OF USES, UH, BETWEEN LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ACCUSTOMED TO, IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON ONE FAR END OF THE SPECTRUM, UH, OF INTENSITY OF LAND USE AND THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM BEING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

AND THE, THE NOTION IS THAT YOU HAVE THE USES IN BETWEEN GRADUALLY BECOMING MORE AND MORE INTENSE.

SO LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WOULD THEN GO TO SMALL LOT HIGH DENSITY, BUT STILL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WOULD THEN GO TO DUPLEXES, WOULD THEN GO TO MULTIFAMILY, WOULD THEN GO TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

SO CERTAIN TYPES, TYPES OF RETAIL OR RESTAURANT USES THAT ARE VIEWED AS COMPATIBLE BEING LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL USE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

YOU MIGHT GO TO OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, GENERAL BUSINESS.

GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND THEN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

SO, AND SO THIS UT ZONING, THE REASON WHY IT ALLOWS FOR DUPLEXES AND THOSE HIGHER RESIDENTIAL KIND OF MULTI-FAMILY USES IS BECAUSE IT IS VIEWED AS A TRANSITIONAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS INTENDED TO SEPARATE SINGLE FAMILY, CLASSIC SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS VERSUS A GENERAL BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL TYPE USE.

FOR, UH, THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND WE GOT THREE AND A HALF, 4 MILLION PEOPLE IN IT.

SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND LIKE I SAID, ANYONE PLEASE STEP IN.

UM, I'M JUST SOMEONE THAT I DON'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY OF 22,000

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LET'S COMPLICATE IT UP.

'CAUSE WE GOTTA RESTRICT.

BUT RIGHT NOW, LIKE, WHY ARE WE OVERCOMPLICATING A SYSTEM? THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN INEFFICIENT FOR THE LAST A HUNDRED YEARS, IS BECAUSE WE PUT IN THESE RIDICULOUS IDEAS OF, OKAY, WE CAN PUT THIS HERE, BUT WE CAN'T PUT THIS HERE, THAT THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN NOW ON TOP OF THAT, LET ME ASK THEM TO PAY $900 A RESIDENT TO PAY $900 JUST TO CHANGE SOMETHING.

THAT'S AN INSANE IDEA FOR SOMEONE TO RECOMMEND THAT, UM, WHEN IT'S ALREADY A, A CERTAIN TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USE.

IT'D BE ONE THING IF IT WAS COMMERCIAL USE AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, I WANNA PUT MY HOUSE ON FIVE 17.

IT'S LIKE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR LAND PLAN IS.

BUT THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE, IT'S A POSITIVE IF WE'RE ALLOWING SOMEONE TO PUT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON IT RATHER THAN A DUPLEX OR A, A THING THAT GOES STRAIGHT UP.

SO, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S MY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW WHAT MY THOUGHT WAS.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK HOUSTON HAS ZONING.

THEY DON'T YOU CAN BUILD WHAT YOU WANT IN HOUSTON.

BUT I WAS, I'M JUST GETTING, I WAS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF POPULATION DENSITY.

GOT YOU.

SO WE'RE OVERDOING THE, THE ZONING AND HOUSTON DOESN'T DO ANY OF IT.

MY, MY QUESTION IS, UM, IF, IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL LEGAL DIS LEGAL EXPOSURE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD RESEMBLE SPOT ZONING IF WE DECIDE TO DO ONE FOR A FEE AND ONE BY, RIGHT, BECAUSE LIKE I, I THINK I, I'M, I'M HEARING THAT P AND Z SAID TO BE OKAY TO CHARGE ONE OF THESE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE TO NOT HAVE TO PAY A FEE.

IF, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION OVER STAFF, IS THERE ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL EXPOSURE FOR US FOR THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

UH, NO.

IT, IT, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE, UH, SPOT ZONING IS WHERE YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT IS ZONED A PARTICULAR CLASSIFICATION, AND THEN YOU GET ONE PROPERTY OWNER IN THAT AREA REQUEST A ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD SEEM TO NOT BE COMPATIBLE.

AND THEN THE CITY GOES AND GRANTS THAT, THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

SO NOW YOU CAN HAVE LIKE THIS RANDOM PLOT THAT IS LIKE ZONED COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA AND IT STARTS LOOKING LIKE, WELL, THAT'S SPOT ZONING.

YOU, YOU KIND OF GO AWAY FROM THAT, UH, ZONING AND PLANNING THEORY THAT, THAT I EXPLAINED OF.

YOU HAVE THE GRADUAL TRANSITION OF USES FROM LEASE INTENTS TO MOST INTENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT SPOT ZONING IS.

BUT CERTAINLY IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT ALL USES IT WANTS TO ALLOW BY RIGHT.

WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT.

SO IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ALLOW THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, CONVENTIONAL DETACH HOME BY RIGHT WITHIN THE UT YOU KNOW, TRANSITION DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY LEGAL CONCERN THERE.

IT'S JUST MORE OF A, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, KIND OF THE PLANNING THEORIES, THAT'S THE EXPLANATION BEHIND THE UT ZONING AND WHY IT WAS THAT, THAT OUR CONSULTANT, THE UDC CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES NOT BE ALLOWED AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, IN FACT, WITHIN UT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY, UH, STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING WE TAKE THAT BACK ONE NOTCH MM-HMM .

BY ALLOWING IT, BY ALLOWING IT WITH A CUP, ALLOWING IT WITH ADDITIONAL, UH, SCRUTINY, ADDITIONAL APPROVAL AND NOT ALLOWING IT BY RIGHT.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL'S, RIGHT? WELL, ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO GET SOME DENSITY IN TOWN.

'CAUSE WE DO, WE DON'T HAVE A BLANK SLATE.

WE DON'T HAVE EMPTY FARMLAND THAT WE ARE, UH, DEVELOPING.

UH, WHEN THE, THE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS REFORM, THEY PUT THIS URBAN TRANSITION ZONE ON TOP OF A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS MM-HMM .

AND, UH, THAT CREATES A PROBLEM BACK OVER, BEHIND, BEHIND ROGERS.

THAT'S AN URBAN TRANSITION ZONE.

AND EXCEPT FOR ONE BUSINESS OVER THERE, IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS OVER THERE.

UM, I, I DON'T, I, I KIND OF WISH WHEN THEY DID THIS THING, THE URBAN TRANSITION THAT THEY HAD LOOKED AT WHAT THE PRESENT USAGE OF THE LAND WAS AND NOT DRAWN WITH SUCH A BIG MARKER TO INCLUDE A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES.

I'M KIND OF TORN BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS DONE THAT WAY TO TRY TO TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEN COMMERCIAL.

SO YOU HAVE A GRADUAL STEP OF IT, BECAUSE THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL USES, LIKE FENCES AND SETBACKS AND

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THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, IF YOU JUST GIVE THEM A, UH, UM, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, IF THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS LOT, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME CHARGING THEM TO PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN THERE.

IT JUST MAKES SENSE.

UH, MOST OF THESE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS OVER THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD GET A DUPLEX IN THERE.

I MEAN, WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BACK OVER HERE.

I DON'T, I MEAN, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT LOTS OVER THERE AND WENT, AND IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO PUT ANYTHING ON.

SO I'M, I'M TORN BOTH WAYS.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE LEAGUE CITY ON THE WEST SIDE AND WE HAD A CLEAN SLATE, WE COULD DO THIS OUT THERE AND SAY, MR. DEVELOPER, YOU'RE GONNA PUT TOWN HOMES HERE.

YOU'RE GONNA PUT DUPLEXES HERE, YOU'RE GONNA PUT SINGLE FAMILY.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

WE, THIS WHOLE TOWN IS SCATTERED WITH SINGLE FAMILY EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING ON FIVE 17, INCLUDING ON HIGHWAY THREE, INCLUDING ON 1266.

UH, UNLESS WE JUST BULLDOZER SCRAPE EVERYTHING DOWN AND START OVER AGAIN.

SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ALLOW THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THIS DISTRICT.

SO I HAVE A THEORY, AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE FACTS, BUT I HAVE A THEORY BECAUSE OF, UH, EVIDENCE THAT I'VE READ AND LOOKED AT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS LAND PLAN OF THE UT IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THEY PUT UT, A LOT OF THEM AREN'T CURRENTLY THAT PROBLEM.

WELL, IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT HAVE PUT OUT INFORMATION A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT THEIR PLAN, AND THEY TALK ABOUT GOING VERTICAL, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT MAKES MORE SENSE OF WHY THEY CHANGED IT TO UT IN CERTAIN PLACES RATHER THAN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR OWN AGENDA RATHER THAN WHAT THE CITY OF DICKINSON TRULY NEEDS THIS RIGHT HERE, BY ALLOWING THESE TWO HOMES TO EXIST, ALL WE'RE SAYING IS NOW ANYTHING IN A RESIDENTIAL CAPACITY, YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING RESIDENTIAL TO ALLOW HIGH DENSITY.

THAT WHAT WE WANT TO REDUCE IS THE HIGH DENSITY IN OUR, OUR TRADITIONAL, JUST REGULAR CONVENTIONAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL.

SO WE'RE ALLOWING OUR CITIZENS TO BUY THINGS A K PIECES OF PROPERTY AND BUILD WHAT THEY WANT.

WITHIN REASON.

IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.

LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT, WE HAVE TO TRANSITION.

ONCE AGAIN, I GO BACK TO WE ARE A CITY OF 22,000 PEOPLE.

WHAT TRANSITION DO WE HAVE? RIGHT.

UM, THERE'S A TEXACO AND RIGHT BEHIND THAT THERE IS A A, A HOUSE, RIGHT? YOU'LL HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS STUFF WHERE MY OFFICE IS, I'M CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL RIGHT BEHIND ME.

I LITERALLY TALK TO MY NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL OR IS A RESIDENTIAL RIGHT BEHIND ME.

SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SETBACK THERE? THERE IS NONE.

SO WHY DOES THIS EVEN HAVE TO EXIST WITHOUT THOSE TWO HOMES? BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE BEING PERMISSIVE WHEN IT'S LESS IMPACTFUL TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF IT WAS A HEAVY IMPACT, AK WE'RE TRYING TO ADD DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, MULTIPLEXES IN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WATER, SEWAGE, ELECTRICITY, BECAUSE JUST THEIR DRAW OF ENERGY RIGHT.

IS MORE MM-HMM .

SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE GETS STRAINED.

SO THEN I COULD SEE WHY YOU NEED TO PAY A FEE.

BUT TO ASK A CITIZEN THAT HAS ALREADY OWNED A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT'S INSANE IN, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

SO, SO I THINK IT IS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN, LIKE I SAID, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A MOTION.

I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST AND ASK MR. SCHICK TO AMEND HIS MOTION TO ALLOW THE USE BY RIGHT.

FOR BOTH, FOR BOTH IN THE UT ZONE.

LET ME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE REAL QUICK.

IF I DO HAVE A MINUTE.

UH, THE REASON WE LEFT PATIO HOME, UH, IN PZ AS A LIMITED USE IS THIS IS THE, UH, LIMITED USE STANDARDS FOR A PATIO HOME.

UH, IT HAS A REQUIRED MAINTENANCE EASEMENT WITH THE ADJACENT YARD.

UH, 'CAUSE A, A PATIO HOME HAS A ZERO SETBACK ON ONE SIDE.

UH, SO WE WOULD TYPICALLY, PROBABLY NOT, IT'D BE CHALLENGING TO DO THIS AS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS MORE GEARED TOWARDS A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

MULTIPLE LOTS.

UM, SO, OKAY.

THAT, THAT'S ALL I GOT.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, I THINK AFTER THE LAST MEETING TO RECONFIGURE THIS TO REQUIRE A SETBACK NO LESS THAN THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO MOVING IT OVER THREE FOOT MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A MAINTENANCE EASEMENT ON ONE SIDE, BUT YOU'RE STILL TRESPASSING ON THE OTHER SIDE TO MAINTAIN THAT PORTION OF YOUR HOME.

AND EASEMENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE SOMEBODY RIGHT OF ACCESS ON THAT SIDE UNLESS IT'S STIPULATED AND AGREED TO.

SO WATER SHEDDING OFF OF A ROOF WOULD GO ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.

AND

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AND HAVING THAT MINIMUM GIVES THEM ACCESS TO THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE AND KEEPS WATER SHEDDING ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.

UNDERSTOOD.

I, I'D DONE THAT BEFORE IN, IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT I DID PATIO HOMES FOR AND IT WORKED OUT WELL.

SO WITH THAT DEFINITION OF PATIO HOME, LIKE YOU SAID, THEN IT'S A ZERO TO THREE FOOT LOT LINE.

I MEAN, SO THEN I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST THE, NECESSARILY THE P AND Z 'CAUSE OF THE, THE TYPE OF HOME, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A DEVELOPMENT, USUALLY IT'S A MASS DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S NOT A, YOU'RE NOT BUYING ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND PUTTING ONE HOME IN LIKE THAT.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM REDUCING THAT FROM BY RIGHT.

TO LIMITED USE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

JUST THE PATIO THOUGH, WITH, UNLESS WE FIX THE SETBACK, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I THINK THEY, I MEAN, YOU CAN ADJUST THE SETBACK ON THE PATIO AT HOMES.

OR WE COULD, UH, REDUCE THE FEE TO CHANGE FROM, UH, SO, SO WE COULD TAKE THAT $900 FEE OUT OF THERE.

WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.

UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S KIND OF TWO OPTIONS.

THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THE ONE THAT GOES IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, AND THEN WE HAVE LIMITED USE AS WELL.

THAT'S, YEAH, I SAW THAT.

I WANTED GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

SO LIMITED USE IS, UH, ABLE TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF AND IT, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY MEET THESE STANDARDS.

SO THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE ATTACHED IN THE UDC, IF THEY MEET THOSE AND CHECK THOSE BOXES, THEN THEY GET APPROVED, NO FEE, NO MEETINGS.

THAT'S IT.

AND THAT'S, I BELIEVE HOW PATIO HOMES ARE E LISTED IN OTHER DISTRICTS.

THAT'S THE ONE, THE HALF THE HALF CIRCLE.

CORRECT, CORRECT.

AND SO PATIO HOMES ARE PERMITTED IN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AS A LIMITED USE.

AND SO IT, IT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS WITH THE, THE MAINTENANCE EASEMENT, ET CETERA.

AND, AND IT'S ALLOWED BY LIMITED USE.

SO, SO IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO, UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE LIMITED USE PERMIT.

FOR THE PATIO HOME.

SO BASICALLY BY RIGHT.

FOR RESIDENTIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN LIMITED USE SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY A FEE, BUT WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE ABIDING BY THE RULES.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? YOU GOT IT.

AND THEN WE GET TO APPROVE IT.

WE ALL THINK ABOUT THAT.

ONE MORE TIME.

I GOT LOST.

SO CONVENTIONAL HOME, CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL HOME BY RIGHT PATIO HOME, BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT IS, THEY CAN DO WHAT'S CALLED LIMITED USE OR LIMITED, UH, LIMITED USE PERMIT.

LIMITED USE PERMIT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY LET STAFF APPROVE IT AND THERE'S NO FEE.

AND THE ONLY CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET ARE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.

SO AS LONG AS THEY MEET THESE EXACT, THEY'RE JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE FITTING IT LIKE KIND OF A, I GUESS A STAMP OF APPROVAL.

BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, I PROMISE I WOULD TALK ABOUT MAINLY THE MAINTENANCE EASEMENT.

UH, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE INFILL LOT.

IF THEY'RE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

WITHOUT THIS LIMITED USE PERMIT, WE WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE EASEMENT ON THAT SIDE.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

AND CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? YES.

TO THE, TO THE, SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THIS SLIDE HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT ACTUALLY, UH, THE CONVENTIONAL DETACH HOME IS ON THE O OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM BETWEEN THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

IN UT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, DUPLEX.

AND SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE SINCE THE LIMITED, UH, USE PERMIT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE APPROVED BY STAFF, AND SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, UH, A FORMAL MEETING DOESN'T REQUIRE A FEE.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, THE LIMITED USE, UH, ALSO BE PLACED ON A CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME IN UT ZONING AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT OF ALL THOSE RESIDENT USES IS THE LEAST INTENSE AND WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE LOGICALLY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONTROLS OVER VERSUS ALLOWING THAT TO BE WIDE OPEN.

BUT YET MAKING PATIO HOMES HAVE TO GET A LIMITED USE PERMIT.

WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THE OTHER THREE ARE.

THE OTHER TWO ARE, UH, YES, SIR.

SO WHAT'S THE, WHY? WHY WOULD WE DO IT FOR ONLY THE UT RATHER THAN THE GR AND THE NC WHEN PATIO HOMES ARE LIMITED USE, BUT CONVENTIONAL DETACHED ARE COMPLETELY UNRESTRICTED.

SO ONCE AGAIN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME, SOME CONTINUITY WITH OUR POLICIES OF WE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE RULES BECAUSE SOMEONE LIVES FIVE FEET FROM ANOTHER PERSON.

WITH STANDARDS THAT WOULD FIT EVERY SITUATION.

SO, SO KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH P AND Z IS YOU'RE, YOU MENTIONED THE LIMITED USE PERMIT FOR CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

UH, SO WITH A LIMITED USE PERMIT, WE WOULD HAVE TO JUST SET WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE.

AND SO WE DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, KIND OF LIKE MR. SHAKE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A HOUSE ON EITHER SIDE, CAN YOU, YOU CAN APPROVE IT.

UM, AND, AND WE BOUNCE THAT BACK AND FORTH AND IT WAS JUST DIFFICULT TO, UH, COME UP

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SO IF THEY DON'T MISS THOSE, IF THEY DON'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS, THEN I CAN'T APPROVE IT NO MATTER WHAT.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF OUR CONVERSATION ON THAT.

I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEATEN MY OPINIONS WITH A DEAD HORSE, SO IF ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS, PLEASE, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

IF NOT, UH, IT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND.

UM, AND WE JUST NEED TO ACTUALLY, I GUESS THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO DO IS AMEND THE MOTION TO, IF WE'RE DOING STAFF, UM, OR IF WE'RE DOING P AND Z OR IF WE ARE JUST CHANGING IT ALL TOGETHER.

'CAUSE IF, IF WE CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT TO, UH, TO LIMITED USE, UH, THEN STAFF CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WITHOUT THE $900 YES.

FEE.

AND THAT'S ON A CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL AND OR PATIO HOMES.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY MY MOTION TO, UH, TO MAKE THOSE LIMITED USE WHERE STAFF CAN APPROVE.

OR HAS TO APPROVE THIS.

I GUESS KIND OF WHAT I WOULD NEED IS, IS WHAT THAT STANDARD WOULD BE BECAUSE THE LIMITED USE PERMIT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AVAILABLE TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.

UM, BY THE APPLICANT MEETING THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED.

SO FOR THE PATIO HOMES, WE HAVE THOSE LIMITED USE STANDARDS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FOR CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME.

I NEED TO KNOW WHEN I CAN SAY YES OR NO.

CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION.

IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE THERE WOULDN'T BE AN APPROVAL? BUT I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHY THE OTHER THREE ZONES HAVE IT BY RIGHT.

IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO DEFINITION.

SO ONCE AGAIN, I GO BACK TO WHY CAN'T WE JUST SAY BUY RIGHT.

I WANT YOU TO LIVE HERE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

PATIO HOMES, THERE'S SOME SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS.

WE NEED AT LEAST A LIMITED USE.

IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.

IF THIS ENTIRE ROW AT THE TOP THAT SAYS, WE ARE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, WE KNOW OUR IDENTITY, IT'S WHO WE ARE.

WHY ARE WE LIMITING IT IS ALL I'M GETTING AT.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A A A, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A WAY TO LIMIT IT.

'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T, THAT'S MY, I I ALREADY GET ENOUGH PHONE CALLS ABOUT OUR, OUR BUILDING APPROVAL PROCESS.

UM, WE CANNOT MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.

UM, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD TO BUILD SOMETHING IN THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

SO I WOULD, MY, LIKE I SAID, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE MOTION WOULD JUST BE, UH, BUY RIGHT WITH CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES, LIMITED USE FOR PATIO HOMES IS PERSONALLY, BUT I, I DON'T THINK I'M ALLOWED TO MAKE A MOTION.

'CAUSE OLD CHAIRMAN THING.

SO WHAT DO WE GOT THOUGH? I, I THINK WHERE YOU HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, SO IF THERE WAS A DUPLEX THERE, IF THERE WAS A TOWN HOME MM-HMM .

THERE, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WHEN THEY ARE NEXT TO CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES IN THERE.

ISN'T, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? I I CAN VERIFY THAT.

ONE SECOND.

I'M NOT, I I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYTHING MORE COMPLICATED.

TRUST ME.

NO, I, I GET IT.

I'M JUST, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, THAT OWN LOTS IN A PRESENT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT HAD, WE HAVE ZONED AS URBAN TRANSITION THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO AN INFILL SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND IF IT TAKES STAFF GOING IN THERE AND SAYING, YES, YOU ARE IN AN URBAN TRANSITION AND YOU NEED OUR APPROVAL TO DO IT, APPROVE IT AND GO.

BUT IF THE SETBACKS ARE THE ISSUE IN THERE, THEN WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE AS TO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PATIO HOME THAT NOW HAS A ZERO TO THREE FOOT SETBACK, MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO READ A THREE FOOT SETBACK FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE THREE FOOT FROM YOUR FENCE LINE.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A, A GOOD LIMITED USE STANDARD.

IT WOULDN'T APPLY ALL THE TIME, BUT IT WOULD APPLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUILD NEXT TO A EXISTING RESIDENCE.

SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE MOTION KIND OF GOT , WE KIND OF GOT AWAY FROM IT.

I THINK WE, I THINK I ADDED THAT THE CONVENTIONAL AND THE PATIO HOME BE PUT INTO A LIMITED USE STATUS THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.

AND THEN DO I HAVE A SECOND? I I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT.

OH, HOLD ON A SECOND.

YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A SECOND ON THE FIRST ONE.

I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

DO I HAVE A SECOND?

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I'LL SECOND THAT.

I GOT A SECOND.

UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? THE, THE REASON I WITHDREW MY SECOND IS BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE THE SINGLE FAMILY CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME A BUYRIGHT PRIVILEGE AND THE PATIO HOME WAS GOING TO BE THE LIMITED USE.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

UM, ALRIGHT, I, I MAKE A MOTION.

CAN I MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THE SINGLE FAMILY CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME AS A BUYRIGHT PRIVILEGE IN THE UT TRANSITION OR, UH, ZONING AND THE PATIO HOME TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF NEEDING A LIMITED USE PERMIT.

IS THAT, IS THAT THE CORRECT LANGUAGE? SO THE MOTION ON, ON, ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, OR, UH, AT HAND RIGHT NOW IS TO MAKE CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES BY RIGHT AND PATIO HOMES BY LIMITED USE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

I GOT A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WHAT DO WE GOT NEXT? WHICH NUMBER ARE WE AT? YEAH, WE GOTTA GO BACK.

SO IT'S SEVEN A SEVEN G.

SO NOW, SO SEVEN

[7.D. Conduct a public hearing concerning a request to amend the official zoning map from Urban Transition (UT) zoning district to district Neighborhood Conservation (NC) zoning for a parcel of land of approx. ±0.413 acres located at 3518 Elm Dr. and legally described as ABST 19 PERRY & AUSTIN SUR PT OF LOT 141 (3-1) DICKINSON ADDN D 25% UDI. (Community Development) Staff Presentation Applicants Presentation Public Comments Applicants Rebuttal Adjourn Public Hearing]

D? YES SIR.

SO, UM, NOPE.

AND SINCE THAT'S A FIRST READING, WE STILL HAVE TO DO THIS ONE, CORRECT? YEAH.

UH, ALRIGHT.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FROM URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PARCEL OF LAND OF APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR MINUS 0.413 ACRES, LOCATED AT 3 5 1 8 ELM DRIVE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT ONE NINE PERRY IN AUSTIN.

SIR, POINT OF LOT 1 41 3 DASH ONE DICKINSON EDITION D 25% UDI AND WE HAVE STARTED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT NINE 17 STAFF PRESENTATION.

SO THIS IS OUR INFAMOUS URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, IF Y'ALL RECALL, WE RECENTLY DID ANOTHER ZONING MAP AMENDMENT ON THIS SAME STREET, BUT THEY WENT TO A COMMERCIAL, UH, ZONING, UH, I'M SORRY.

THEY WENT TO THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING.

UH, SO AT THIS TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT AS WE DISCUSSED, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT.

UH, IT'S KIND OF A CHALLENGING CASE, UH, DUE TO SPOT ZONING CONCERNS.

UH, THERE'S NOT REALLY A, A CONGRUENT ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, UH, AS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING.

UH, SO DUE TO THAT, UH, STAFF DID HAVE CONCERNS WITH, WITH THE ZONING MAP, UH, BUT ULTIMATELY PLANNING AND ZONING DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICATION.

UH, KIND OF IN LIGHT OF, OF THE PREVIOUS ITEM.

UH, STAFF WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND EITHER TABLING OR, UH, SOME OF THEIR ACTION ON THIS ITEM MOVE TO APPROVE.

THAT'S PUBLIC.

WELL, WE'RE STILL IN THE, WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, I'M SORRY.

SO THIS IS A SITE AS IT EXISTS, IT IS UNDEVELOPED AND WOODED PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS.

THAT'S ALL STAFF HAS.

SO WITH, WITHOUT THIS APPROVAL TONIGHT, THERE'S SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN BETWEEN TWO OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

, THE ZONING DISTRICT WOULD NOT PERMIT IT.

AND THAT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, UH, UH, POINT OF ORDER.

AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, SOMETHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN WOULD BE THAT A MAJORITY OF Y'ALL COULD CHANGE YOUR MIND AND STAND UP AND SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS, AND THEN I WOULD BE STALLED AGAIN.

SO STAFF PRESENTATION DONE, UH, APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION IF HE WOULD LIKE TO COME ON UP.

GOOD EVENING FOLKS.

DAVE BLACKSHEAR 5 22 SHERWOOD FOREST DRIVE, DICKINSON, TEXAS.

I HAVE COPIES OF, UH, THE LATEST ELEVATION PLANS GOING PASS THAT AROUND.

I UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF HAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE OF WHAT Y'ALL WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER.

I JUST HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH IT BECAUSE IN MY OPINION

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SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I DISAGREE WITH, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, ON, UH, BEHALF OF MY, MYSELF AND MY WIFE KATHY.

UH, JUST WANT A LITTLE, UH, LITTLE BIT THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER ON THIS IS, UM, UH, DEAR MEMBERS OF THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

MY WIFE KATHY AND I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THIS REQUEST FOR REZONING OF OUR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 35 18 ELM DRIVE IN THE ROSEWOOD VILLAS NEIGHBORHOOD OF DICKINSON, TEXAS.

OUR INTENTION IS TO BUILD OUR RETIREMENT HOME ON THIS SITE, CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONTINUED GROWTH AND STABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE LONG CALLED HOME, WE'RE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF DICKINSON AND PROUD GRADUATES OF DICKINSON HIGH SCHOOL.

I BUILT OUR CURRENT HOME IN SHERWOOD FOREST WEST IN 1994.

AND THIS WILL BE OUR, UH, BE THE FOURTH HOME I'VE OWNED.

AND THE THIRD THAT I'VE BUILT IN DICKINSON.

WE REMAIN ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ARE PROUD, SEASONED TICKET HOLDERS FOR THE DICKINSON GATOR VARSITY FOOTBALL TEAM.

, THE ROSEWOOD VILLAS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH INCLUDES OVER 50 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG ROSEWOOD DRIVE, WHICH IS SECTION ONE, ROSEWOOD CIRCLE, SECTION ONE AND ELM DRIVE.

SECTION TWO HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN ZONED AS CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL.

OUR PROPERTY AT 35 18 ELM IS CURRENTLY ZONED URBAN TRANSITION AND HAS REMAINED ON THE UNIMPROVED PROPERTY TAX RULE.

WE SEEK TO BRING IT ONTO THE IMPROVED ROLE BY CONSTRUCTING A CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME DEFINED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT LOCATED ON ITS OWN LOT AND NOT ATTACHED TO ANY OTHER DWELLING.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY VIEW THIS AS SPOT ZONING, BUT WE BELIEVE THIS REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S LIKE BILL WAS POINTING OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE ON EACH SIDE, SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE ON EACH SIDE OF THIS.

AND, UM, WE BELIEVE THIS, UH, REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND SUPPORTS THE CITY'S GOALS FOR COMPATIBLE LAND USE.

NOTABLY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE UH, JUST TALKED ABOUT A MINUTE AGO, WAS THAT, UH, ACTUALLY THE, THE UDC IDENTIFIES NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AS A COMPATIBLE ADJACENT ZONE TO UT AND VICE VERSA REDUCE, UH, REINFORCING THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S PLANNING FRAMEWORK.

OUR REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH THE DICKINSON MASTER PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE MOST APPROPRIATE, EFFICIENT, AND COMPATIBLE USE OF LAND AND STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

REZONING THIS PROPERTY TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENTIONAL WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS THAT REFLECT THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NA NATURE OF THIS AREA.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF OUR REQUEST AND LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORT HELPING US CONTINUE OUR JOURNEY IN THE CITY THAT WE LOVE.

DAVID AND KATHY BLACKSHEAR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FOR URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PARTIAL OF LAND OF APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR MINUS 0.413 ACRES LOCATED AT 3 5 1 8 ELM DRIVE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT ONE NINE PERRY IN AUSTIN.

I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, SO THEREFORE I DON'T HAVE APPLICANT REBUTTAL.

SO I WILL ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9 23, WHICH MOVES ME TO SEVEN E CONSIDERATION

[7.E. ORDINANCE NO. XXXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance to amend the official zoning map from Urban Transition (UT) zoning district to Neighborhood Conservation (NC) zoning district approx. ±0.413 acres located at 3518 Elm Dr. for a parcel of land of and legally described as ABST 19 PERRY & AUSTIN SUR PT OF LOT 141 (3-1) DICKINSON ADDN D 25% UDI; providing a repealer clause. (1st Reading) (Community Development)]

SIR, POINT OF LOT.

1 4 1 3 DASH ONE DICKINSON EDITION D 25% UDI PROVIDING A REPEAL OR CLAUSE FIRST READING, ALSO MOVE, GOT A MOTION, SECOND.

SECOND.

AND, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS, UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, WOULD NOT BE A BAD SPOT TO AT LEAST APPROVE THIS THING.

UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE HAVE A SECOND READING FOR BOTH IN THE SAME COUNCIL MEETING AND WE COULD AVOID SPOT, UM, SPOT ZONING IF WE DO AN ORDER AND IF IT DOESN'T FALL THROUGH, IF IT DOES FALL THROUGH THE UDC PART OF IT, WE STILL HAVE THIS TO APPROVE.

AND THEN WE'LL JUST LIKE I SAID, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEGATIVE TO AT LEAST HAVE IT AS A FIRST READING TODAY IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE MR. BLACKSHEAR BROUGHT UP.

CRAZY HAPPENS WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL AND WE DECIDE TO CHANGE OUR, OUR MINDS ON SOMETHING.

[02:25:01]

SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL? NOW I WILL SAY THIS, MR. BLACKSHEAR, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS READY TO BILL.

THEY'VE BEEN WAITING ON THIS MM-HMM .

AT THE LAST P AND Z.

THEY FORGOT HIM MONTHS SO AGO.

THEY FORGOT TO PUT 'EM ON THE AGENDA.

SO THIS READING SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED A MONTH AGO.

SO HE COULD HAVE STARTED BUILDING HIS HOUSE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, WHICH IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN NOW TILL JANUARY.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE SPOT ZONING AND ALL THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN CHANGING THE ZONING HERE.

NO, EVER SINCE THIS UUD C WENT IN AND IT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM.

A ABSOLUTELY.

ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS APPROVING SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION FOR BULLET RESISTANT VEHICLE COMPONENTS TO THE OFFICER OF THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASS.

UM, SEVEN H, SEVEN H

[7.H. RESOLUTION NO. XXXX-2025 – Consideration and possible action to approve a Resolution of The City Council of The City Of Dickinson, Texas, approving submission of a grant application for Bullet Resistant Vehicle Components to the Office of the Governor of the State Of Texas; authorizing the Mayor to act as the City's authorized representative in all matters pertaining to the City's participation in the program; providing for incorporation of preamble; and providing for an effective date. (Police Department)]

AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ACT AS THE CITY'S AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE IN ALL MATTERS PERTAINING TO THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM, PROVIDING FOR INCORPORATION OF PREAMBLE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE MOVE.

HOW'S GOING CHIEF? I'M DOING WELL HERE.

ALRIGHT, MOVE.

MOTION.

I MOVE TO APPROVE.

ALRIGHT, I SECOND, I'LL SECOND.

OH, WE GOT A SECOND FROM A COUPLE PEOPLE.

NOW WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION.

GO, GO WITH UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON AS A SECOND AND THEN, UH, I GUESS YOU GOT SOMETHING FOR US.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS.

IT'S A, UH, GRANT.

THERE'S NO MATCH FROM THE CITY.

IT'S ABOUT $120,000 IF WE ARE APPROVED FOR IT.

UH, IT WILL OUTFIT 12 OF OUR CARS WITH BULLETPROOF WINDSHIELDS, FRONT SIDE WINDOWS AND A KEVLAR DOOR PANEL.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? YEAH.

IS THIS COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE GOVERNOR OR IS IT GOING THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR? IS IT GOING THROUGH ANY INTERMEDIARY OR? IT'LL COME TO US STRAIGHT AWAY.

UH, I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION, IT SAYS AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR, NOT THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT IS THERE LIKE SOME REQUIREMENT IN THE GRANT THAT THE MAYOR HAS TO SIGN OFF ON OR DO WE KNOW IT IT REQUESTED THE MAYOR IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, SO.

OKAY, GOTCHA.

SO IT'S AN APPLICATION THING.

ALRIGHT, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

I DIDN'T, THERE ARE SOME GRANTS THAT I'VE HAD TO SIGN THAT AFTER IT GOES THROUGH ALL THE CHANNELS, I'M THE LAST PERSON THAT HAS TO LIKE, VERIFY IT, SO.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASS SEVEN.

[7.I. RESOLUTION NO. XXXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a resolution suspending for ninety (90) days the proposed effective date of the rate change requested by Texas-New Mexico Power Company. (Admin)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION SUSPENDING, UH, FOR 90 DAYS THE PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE RATE CHANGE REQUESTED BY TEXAS NEW MEXICO POWER COMPANY.

STILL MOVE.

SECOND MOTION.

AND A SECOND WHAT? WE GOT A DISCUSSION.

ANY PRESENTATION, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? MR. CAREY? IS THIS RATE CHANGE INEVITABLE? IF WE'RE JUST, HOW'S, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE.

SO THE RATE CHANGES ARE, UM, PROPOSED BY THE UTILITY COMPANY.

UH, THE CITY OF DICKINSON IS A CITY THAT, UH, HAS ORIGINAL JURISDICTION, SHARES ORIGINAL JURISDICTION WITH THE PUCT, UM, PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS.

AND SO SOMETHING THAT, UH, CITIES WITH ORIGINAL JURISDICTION ARE ALLOWED TO DO IS WE ARE ALLOWED, THE CITY COUNCIL IS ALLOWED TO, UH, DELAY, SUSPEND THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT PROPOSED RATE CHANGE.

BECAUSE WHEN, NOT SURPRISINGLY, WHEN ELECTRIC COMPANIES GO TO INCREASE THEIR RATES, THEY ALWAYS ASK FOR MAYBE MORE THAN WHAT ENDS UP GETTING NEGOTIATED.

AND SO THE WAY THAT WE ALWAYS HANDLE THIS, AND THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS SEEN IT DONE, IS THAT CITIES THAT HAVE THE POWER TO SUSPEND THE EFFECTIVE DATE WILL DO SO.

AND THEN AUTHORIZE, SINCE WE ARE A MEMBER OF A COALITION OF CITIES FOR UTILITY MATTERS, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE LEGAL COUNSEL THAT REPRESENTS THAT COALITION TO NEGOTIATE, TO, TO EXAMINE THE, UH, THE REASONS, THE DETAILS IN THE RATE INCREASE PROPOSAL.

AND ENGAGE, UH, CONSULTANTS, EXPERTS BASICALLY FIGHT BACK AND NEGOTIATE A SMALLER RATE INCREASE.

UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE EXPENSES, UH, THAT COME WITH FIGHTING SUCH A RATE INCREASE, THOSE ARE RATE CASE EXPENSES AND ACTUALLY PAYABLE BY THE COMPANY, BY THE ELECTRIC COMPANY.

SO, UH, IN DOING THIS, WE ACTUALLY HELP OUR RATE PAYERS, YOU KNOW, OUR CITIZENS THAT, UH, PAY FOR ELECTRICITY FROM TNMP.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TO DO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION INTO CLOSED SESSION AT 9 29

WE WILL, UH, SHUT IT DOWN

[8. EXECUTIVE (CLOSED) SESSION(S) ]

[02:30:03]

ITEMS. SO THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS NUMBER 10

[10. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]

IS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING, UM, MR. DOE, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER A ILLEGAL DISCHARGE FIREARMS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF DICKINSON? WE DON'T HAVE ONE.

UH, YES, I CAN, IF I CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION.

ARE YOU WANTING IT TO COVER JUST FIREARMS? YES.

AS OPPOSED TO HAND GRENADES.

? WELL, BAZOOKAS, UH, NO.

UM, BB GUNS, UH, CROSSBOWS ARCHERY.

SO THE WAY I'VE SEEN THOSE ORDINANCES BEFORE IS IT WILL COVER FIREARM, BUT WE'LL ALSO COVER DEADLY WEAPONS, WHICH LIKE A CROSSBOW WOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT, WHICH IS WHY YES.

NOW Y'ALL GONNA TELL A KID HE CAN'T SHOOT A BB GUN.

THAT'S A RIGHT OF PASSAGE.

NO OR I CAN'T SHOOT A BOW IN MY BACKYARD.

NO, THAT'S NOT IT.

YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY ILLEGAL TO DISCHARGE FIREARM OVER A PROPERTY LINE.

SO I WOULD IMAGINE THE SAME SORT OF YEAH.

BUT, UM, UH, YOU, I I WOULD ASK YOU TO DRAFT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D FIND WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND UNLESS CONSIDER IT, LET US CONSIDER IT.

UM, WELL, I, I, I WOULD, AND YOU CAN INCLUDE THOSE OTHER ITEMS IF YOU SO CHOOSE AND, AND I, I CERTAINLY WILL, WOULD DO THAT.

SO, BUT I, I JUST BRING IT UP TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN THOSE ORDINANCES INCLUDE THOSE OTHER TYPES OF DEVICES AS WELL.

COMPLETELY UP TO THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE ON WHAT ACTION, WHAT CONDUCT IS THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO PROHIBIT? SO, UM, FIREARMS OBVIOUSLY ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THEY POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOUD, YOU KNOW, SO IS IT JUST THAT OR ARE WE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT COULD CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH? LIKE CROSSBOW CERTAINLY COULD.

JUST ALL THOSE THINGS.

BUT YES, I, I'LL, I'LL DRAFT ONE THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THAT AND THEN THE COUNCIL IN ITS DISCUSSION CAN CHOOSE TO, OR WHATEVER, SOMETHING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CERTAINLY.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? NOPE.