[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
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FEEL KIND OF IMPORTANT WHEN I DO THAT TOO, BY THE WAY.
CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF QUORUM, PLEASE.
AND WE GOT AN ITEM TWO INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WOULD YOU, UH, MR. HARRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THE PLEDGE? SURE.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US, THIS GROUP TONIGHT.
WE'RE MISSING A COUPLE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UH, IT'S THE WEATHER IS, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE HOLIDAYS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN LIFE IS WHEN IT GETS ITS FAST.
LORD, WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GIVE FOR US AND, UH, GIVE US THE PATIENCE AND, AND ALL THE, THE BRAIN POWER TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO HERE TONIGHT.
AND KEEP OURSELVES CALM AND THINKING THOUGHTFULLY THROUGH THIS, UH, EVENING.
AND GENTLEMEN, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE AND LEDGE.
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FRAUD, TEXAS FLAG.
ON UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
ONE AN INDIVISIBLE FOR THE RECORD.
I STILL HAVE TO LOOK ALL THE TIME TOO.
WE DIDN'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAD ONE OF THOSE WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL.
OF COURSE, THAT WAS A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PLEDGE TO MISSOURI.
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DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAP.WHAT YOU, HOW, HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THIS? RIGHT ON.
GOOD EVENING, GUYS, AND THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING.
UH, SO WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF BREAK THE CITY INTO THREE PARTS.
UH, SO TONIGHT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING, UH, THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY, ROUGHLY FROM I 45, UH, WEST.
UH, SO IF, IF Y'ALL HAD ANY ITEMS THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE DELVE INTO THAT FROM THE LAST MEETING, I, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT.
OR, OR WE CAN JUST DIVE INTO TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING IN THIS AREA.
UH, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK FOR JUST A COUPLE MINUTES, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, JUST FOR EVERYBODY, TAKE A LOOK AND SHAME ON ME.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT AS CLOSE AS I SHOULD'VE.
UM, TRAVIS ISN'T, I'M SEEING NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ISN'T THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE ALL THE WAY UP TO CEMETERY ROAD WITH THE, UH, DIFFERENT PHASES THEY'RE DOING.
I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS LAKES YOU TALKING ABOUT.
UH, BODY LAKES IS NOT A PD, NOT, IT IS NOT DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S JUST A REGULAR, UH, ZONING SUPPORTS IT, ZONING SUPPORTS THAT DEVELOPMENT AS IS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, IT'S JUST A REGULAR SUBDIVISION.
CAN WE KIND OF REFRESH OUR MEMORY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATIVE AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? UH, SO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION WAS THE DISTRICT THAT WAS KIND OF DESIGNED TO PRESERVE EXISTING, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS FOR THE LOTS, UH, A LOT OF TIMES REFERRED TO AVERAGES OF THE BLOCK PHASE.
SO, UH, IT DOESN'T WANNA CREATE A LOT THAT IS SMALLER, LESS WIDE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAN SURROUNDING LOTS.
UH, AND SO THE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS MORE OF A COOKIE CUTTER, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FIT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, 'CAUSE THE, THE SETBACKS AND STUFF ARE SET RATHER THAN BEING AN AVERAGE OF EXISTING.
UH, IF YOU, THROUGH PHILLIP, I, I JUST A QUICK QUESTION THAT, THAT PART THERE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, THAT THE CENTER THERE, THAT IS BAYOU LAKES, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE YES, THE WEST, WEST SIDE S RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS ALL BY YOU LAKES? CORRECT? THIS IS ALL BY, OKAY.
SO WHAT IS EAST OF THAT? THAT THAT'S JUST NEIGHBORHOOD OR RESIDE? GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT IS IT? WHAT, WHAT SUBDIVISION IS THAT RIGHT NOW? UH, NOTHING REALLY.
YOU KNOW, WHERE, SO THE AUTOCENTRIC, THE RED PART NEXT TO THAT IS POWER FIELD SERVICES, THE GENERATOR COMPANY ON FIVE 17 MM-HMM
AND THEN NEXT TO THAT IS LANE THAT'S DOWN THERE.
SO THAT'S THAT NEW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THAT
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THERE'S NO ROAD, JUST A KIND OF A TRAIL THAT GOES BACK DOWN THERE.CANON ROAD IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.
UH, BUT IT ISED REALLY USED A TRAIL, CORRECT? YEAH.
IT HASN'T BEEN, IS VERY GROWN UP.
BUT IT GOES ALL THE WAY TOO BY YOU.
SO THAT'S WITH THAT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS, SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, WHY WOULD THAT BE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE TWO ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? WHY WOULD WE DESIGNATE THOSE? SHOULDN'T THAT BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ALSO THOUGH, UH, SO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS, IS MORE FOR ALREADY DEVELOPED SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THE BAYOU LAKES, AND I FORGET THE NAME OF THE ONE TO THE RIGHT, UH, BUT IT, THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS LOVER'S LANE AND EVERYBODY THERE'S GOT LIKE TWO AND THREE ACRE LOTS.
SO Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
NEGATIVE IS THE ROAD GOING FURTHER TO YOUR WEST? RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF IN LINE WITH, UH, JOHN, BUT I THINK HE'S TALKING FURTHER TO THE EAST.
BUT ALONG LOVER'S LANE, THAT'S ALL DEVELOPED OUT.
THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE WITH HOUSES ON EVERY LOT.
NOW, BEAR IN MIND EVERYBODY'S GOT TWO AND THREE ACRE LOTS.
I THINK THIS, I THINK THIS RIGHT HERE IS LOVER'S LANE.
SHOULDN'T LOVER'S LANE FALL IN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION? UH, THAT, THAT COULD BE AN ARGUMENT.
UH, I THINK A PIECE OF, OF THAT, THAT WOULD GOOD SPORT? YEAH.
LIKE MAYBE THAT THE CUTOFF IS LOVER'S LANE.
ARE YOU SURE? I GOT THE WRONG ROAD THERE TOO, BY THE WAY.
LET ME, LET ME FILTER THIS OUT FOR YOU.
I'M TRYING TO GET MY OWN MAP UP HERE.
IT'S JUST NOT COOPERATING WITH ME.
BECAUSE LOVERS LANE'S, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY LOVERS LANE.
AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, IS CANON DRIVE, CANYON DRIVE.
THIS IS CANNON DRIVE IS THE ONE THAT'S BASICALLY A TRAIL, AND BOTH THESE LOTS ADJACENT TO IT ARE TOTALLY UNDEVELOPED.
THAT I CAN DEFINITELY SEE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOMES MM-HMM
AND IT'S KIND OF A, A BLANK SLATE RIGHT NOW.
IT CAN BE PLATTED TO WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO BE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT OH, THERE LOVER'S LANE WITH THOSE LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY CREATED MM-HMM
UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IN THAT THEY ARE ALREADY, THE WHOLE AREA IS ALREADY BUILT OUT.
UH, THERE ARE SOME LARGER LOTS THAN OTHERS AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPLANT IF THEY WANTED TO SELL OFF PORTIONS OF IT.
BUT I WOULD SAY A GOOD 70%, 70 80% OF THIS IS BASIC STANDARD LOTS.
UH, SO WHAT YOU WOULD GET INTO, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION IS YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SPLIT OF THESE LOTS, UH, SMALLER THAN WAS EXISTING AT THE AVERAGE OF WHAT'S EXISTING.
AND SO, AS IT IS WITH, WITH, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, I CAN SHOW YOU THOSE PROPERTY STANDARDS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
NOW, WELL KIND OF IN IN LINE WITH THAT.
NOT STRONGLY DISAGREEING, JUST MILDLY DISAGREEING WHERE THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES IN FACT HAVE VERY LARGE LOTS.
THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BUILT ON LARGE LOTS.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND BUY TWO OR THREE OF THOSE LOTS UNDER THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPL TWO OR THREE OF THOSE LOTS AND PUT 10 OR 15 HOMES ON IT IF THEY WANTED TO, WHICH WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, NO, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.
UH, SO THEY WOULD BE HELD TO BASICALLY THIS DENSITY 10 UNITS, AND THIS IS THEIR MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
WAS THAT 10, 10 UNITS PER ACRE? RIGHT? OH YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH.
THAT KINDA REINFORCES WHAT I'M SAYING THEN, TO BE HONEST.
THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF HOUSES ON AN ACRE.
AND THESE ARE ALL, LIKE I SAID, TWO AND THREE ACRE LOTS.
AND THAT IS THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF THAT SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY BOUGHT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
UH, I, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO AGREE OR OR DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE LOTS REMAIN AS THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
AND IF SOMEBODY DOES WANT TO COME IN AND CHANGE THAT AT SOME TIME, THEY CAN DISCUSS, UH, POSS POSSIBLY REZONING IT IF, IF NEED BE, AND MAYBE AT THAT TIME THERE WOULD BE SOME VALUE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT OWN THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT THEIR
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INTEREST IN THAT REGARD.I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, SO TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ALL THE LOTS THAT FRONT LOVER'S LANE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE FRONT THAT STILL KIND OF FALLS IN LINE WITH THE, BASICALLY YEAH.
EVERYTHING THAT BACKS UP TO THE RIGHT OF CANYON DRIVE, THAT, THAT, UH, NORTH SOUTH LINE LEAVING CANYON DRIVE.
SAID GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, NO PROBLEM.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE WHAT LOOKS LIKE ONE HOUSE ON THAT, A CANNON.
THERE'S A STRUCTURE THERE, BUT OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S UP FROM THE BAYOU A BIT.
BUT THAT GREEN LINE THAT SAYS CANYON IS THAT TRAIL THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT EARLIER? YES.
THE ROAD TRAIL DIDN'T DEVELOP YET.
THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND I THINK WE APPROVED MAYBE A PLOT PLAN OR SOMETHING.
UH, I, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS, SO IT'S, YEAH, I'VE TALKED TO HIM A FEW TIMES.
HE'S, HE'S COME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS ONE.
UM, HE'S ACTUALLY THE SAME ONE THAT WAS DOING THAT ST.
I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT HADN'T TAKEN OFF YET.
I MEAN, HE SEEMED ANXIOUS TO GET IT GOING, BUT NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
UH, I CAN TELL YOU MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH HIM, HE WANTED TO DO AVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE CURRENT ZONING.
UH, SO HE'D HAVE TO GO FOR A EITHER A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT OR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND SO WE WORKED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND HE ENDED UP BACKING OFF AND HE'S KIND OF REEVALUATING TO POSSIBLY DO A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, THAT IS PERMITTED WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
CAN YOU SLIDE DOWN TO THE LOWER LEFT, THE WHOLE IMAGE PLEASE? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
AND THAT, THAT LITTLE SHOEHORN AT THE TOP THERE OF PURPLE, WHICH IS, UH, PLANNED.
THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
IT, IT IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, CALLED PARKVIEW.
AND SO THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE GONNA START MOVING PRETTY QUICK IN 2026.
AND SO THAT WAS A POT, THE, UM, PRIMARY POT WE DID THE YEAH, THAT'S CASH FOUR MONTHS AGO.
THE, THEY, WE DID, WE APPROVED THE PLA FOR THAT THIS YEAR.
IT WAS GONNA BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WOULDN'T IT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE FIRST STAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE BY THE WATERER.
I THINK IT'S 14 APARTMENT COMPLEXES, I MEAN APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL TO FOLLOW AFTER THAT.
AND IT GOES INTO WHERE SEARS USED TO BE.
THE PD DOES NOT CONTAIN, UH, THE SEARS PROPERTY.
UH, BUT THE SAME DEVELOPER DID ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, BUT THEY ACQUIRED IT AFTER THE PD WAS APPROVED.
UH, SO IT, THEY TEND, TEND TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PART OF THE PD.
SO GOING DOWN 6 46 AND I'M LOOKING AT MY MAP RIGHT HERE.
UM, IS THAT SECOND AVENUE RIGHT THERE? NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT STREET THAT IS.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH THAN THAT.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE FURTHER DOWN.
SO EVERYTHING IN THE GREEN NORTH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING CURRENTLY.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT NEEDS TO STAY RURAL AND A STATE.
UH, WE HAD A SIMILAR DISTRICT TO THAT PREVIOUSLY, AND I JUST BLANKED ON THE NAME.
UH, BUT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME RURAL ZONING.
THEY'VE GOT ONE ON MY PROPERTY FOR SANTA FE, JUST RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.
AND IT'S GOT DIFFERENT RURAL AS FAR AS LIKE HOW MANY ANIMALS YOU CAN HAVE AND IF YOU'RE GONNA FARM ON IT, EVEN IN THE CITY LIMITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE LOWER LEFT OF THAT VIEW, THAT COMMERCIAL, UH, IS SOME OF THAT RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE.
ISN'T THAT WHERE THAT RV STORAGE WAS GONNA GO? OR IS THAT NOT MY MISTAKEN ABOUT THAT? I THINK IT WAS UP CLOSER TO THE BAYOU.
THIS IS THE, UH, THE SIGN COMPANY RIGHT HERE AT THE TOP? YEAH.
AND JUST SOUTH OF THEM IS WHERE THEY HAD PROPOSED TO PUT IN A RV STORAGE PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE SIGN COMPANY AND THEN JUST SOUTH OF THERE.
'CAUSE RIGHT DIRECTLY ACROSS IS WHAT THAT USED TO BE.
I GUESS IT'S STILL A DAYCARE CENTER? IT IS A DAYCARE.
AND THAT'S THE LITTLE RED, UH, SLIVER WE GOT THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WAS IS THAT SIGN COMPANY IS IT'S OWNED PROPERLY? UH, YEAH, IT'S AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHY DOES THAT GO SO FAR SOUTH? YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IS LOT SIX 50 SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME HOUSES,
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SO I BELIEVE THESE TWO LOTS ARE UNDEVELOPED.AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE START SOME RESIDENTIAL STUFF WE CAN DO.
UM, THE ONLY THING I HATE ABOUT THOSE LOTS IS HOW DEEP THEY ARE.
THERE'S CURRENTLY PLATTED THAT WAY.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THOSE BEING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALONG 6 46 IS SOME PREMIUM COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT WE ARE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO UTILIZE BECAUSE IT'S, IT WAS RESIDENTIAL BACK WHEN IT WAS A TWO LANE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOUR LANE FARM TO MARKET ROAD ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
AND NOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIVE THERE.
SO IS THE OTHER ISSUE THAT THERE'S NO WATER OUT THERE? YEAH.
EVERYBODY ON THAT SIDE OF THE BAYOU HAS GOT WELLS AND, UH, SEPTIC.
THAT'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CITY WATER OUT THERE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW, TRYING TO GET CITY WATER.
THEY'RE GONNA RUN A FREAKING LINE UNDER THE BAYOU.
UH, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHERE HE SAID IT WAS GONNA BE.
I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE NEAR RO WWCI D'S GONNA RUN 'EM.
THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
'CAUSE ALL, ALL THIS SUBDIVISION RIGHT HERE, EVERYBODY HERE IN THIS GREEN, THAT'S ALL WELLS AND SEPTICS BACK THERE.
HOW YOU DOING? YEAH, THIS IS WCI D'S SERVICE LAYER.
THERE WAS A TALK AT ONE TIME WHEN, UH, JOE WILBURN WAS LOOKING AT DOING SOME WORK DOWN THERE AND HE WAS LOOKING AT INVESTING THE MONEY AND WAS WILLING TO PAY TO HELP WCID ONE GET A LINE UNDER DICKINSON BAYOU.
UH, I THINK IT WAS OFF OF L WASN'T IT? HE HAD SOMETHING GOING OVER THERE.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S HISTORY.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH REALLY TODAY.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS WEST OF 6 46? DID WE AGREE THAT THAT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL WAS GONNA BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR NOT? I, I THINK WE ALL DID.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE SO FAR.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ISSUES? NO.
AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE.
STAYING, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, IT'S, I I ALMOST WANT TO LOOK, UH, PULL IT UP TRAVIS.
SO WE GO A LITTLE BIT SOUTH ON 6 46.
AND IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL, ISN'T IT? YEAH.
THERE'S NO PLACE WE CAN REALLY PUT ANY COMMERCIAL DOWN ALONG THERE.
IN THIS AREA YOU'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, THAT HAS 6 46 FRONTAGE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT'S EXISTING, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S ON, UH, RURAL RESIDENTIAL SEEMS TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON IT.
WHAT ARE THE TWO ACROSS THE WAY FROM, UH, GO NORTH A LITTLE BIT AND ZOOM OUT THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE, UH, THERE PRIVATELY OWNED THESE TWO.
I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF AG MORE THAN ANYTHING.
AREN'T THEY ISN THAT WHERE BUBBA READER LOSE, UH, BOY, DON'T GET ME FREAKING GIVE ON HIS BAD SIDE.
I'M NOT MISTAKEN IF I TELL BUBBA I WOULD TURN HIS PROPERTY INTO COMMERCIAL, UH, OWNER'S NAME IN TROUBLE.
I'LL BE ON THE NEWS OWNER'S LAST NAME IS SULLIVAN.
DISREGARD EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, MOVING ON
THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE HE LIVES.
BUBBA IS NOT A MAN TO BE T TRIFLED WITH.
I THINK HE LIVES CLOSER TO THE BAYOU, I THINK, DIDN'T HE? YEAH.
UH, I HAVE NO MORE COMMENTS WEST OF 6 46.
IS ANYBODY RIGHT? SO WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT? I THINK SO.
TRAVIS, YOU COOL? I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I DID ONLY PRINT OUT THE MAPS FOR THE WEST SIDE TODAY.
UH, NO, WE'RE WE'RE STILL BETWEEN 45 AND 6 46 THOUGH.
UH, ZOOMING IN, I SEE ONE SMALL LOT THAT I'LL PROBABLY GET PUNCHED BY MY NEIGHBORS HERE FOR A SECOND.
UH, THE VERY LAST LOT ON EVERGREEN ON THE WEST SIDE ON THE WEST, IS THAT RESIDENTIAL OR IS IT COMMERCIAL? TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO.
THESE ARE BOTH ZONED AS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD UH, CONSERVATION.
UM, AND I WONDER IS THAT LOGICAL? AND I, I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN BOTH OF THOSE HOUSES, THE LIONS ARE ON THE WEST AND UH, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF WHO THE HELL IT WAS ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN 5 0 4 IS A SPA RIGHT NOW.
SO SHOULDN'T THAT BE COMMERCIAL ALSO?
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YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT.UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I CAN, LET'S SEE WHAT THE OLD ZONING WAS.
UH, SO THE PREVIOUS ZONING WAS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
UH, SO IT WAS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, LIGHT COMMERCIAL USES, LIKE WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.
AND 4 24 IS THE DENTIST OFFICE, IS IT NOT? CORRECT.
SO I'M KIND OF SAYING ALL FOUR OF THESE ENDS.
IS THERE AGAIN, THERE USED TO BE A ZONING LIKE COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
WE HAVE A SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE BACK UP VERY CLOSELY TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
THERE'S NO WAY TO YEAH, THERE'S NO WAY TO BUFFER IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE MY COMMENT IS LIKELY THE REASON THEY WERE ZONED THIS WAY IS, IS DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT, UH, THERE MAY BE DIFFICULTY DEVELOPING IT AS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE APPROPRIATE BUFFER YARD BETWEEN THE
BUT AGAIN, THE SMALL COMMERCIAL I THINK WOULD BE ADEQUATE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING RIGHT THERE.
AND I THINK ALL ALONG FIVE 17, THERE'S MULTIPLE PLACES THAT FALL IN THAT CATEGORY.
UH, WHETHER THEY'RE SMALL COMMERCIAL OR NON-CONFORMING.
COULD WE, COULD WE LOOK AT THAT LIST AGAIN ABOUT WHAT WAS ALLOWED FOR NOT SMALL COMMERCIAL AND WHAT ISN'T ALLOWED? YEAH.
DID YOU GO BACK TO SMALL COMMERCIAL, SIR? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THAT DISTRICT? OKAY.
AND ALL THESE LOTS ARE SMALL, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE LIMITED.
NOBODY'S PUTTING A CAR WASH ON ANY OF THEM.
YEAH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS COLUMN RIGHT HERE.
SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL ALLOWS COMMUNITY FACILITIES, DAYCARES, UH, SOME EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES.
COULD BE A BAR, A GAME ROOM, GYM, BANKS, OFFICES.
UH, SO LET YOU KNOW, SMALL INTENSITY USES, NO, SHOULDN'T BE REPAIR SHOPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AIRBNBS FOOD TRUCK COURT, NONE OF 'EM ARE VERY LARGE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE BASICALLY GOING TO BE LIMITED TO SMALL OFFICES.
YOU, NOBODY'S GONNA GET AWAY FROM ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH, BUT I STILL, AND THE THREE OF US LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, EITHER ONE WANNA CLUB ME.
BUT THOSE ARE, ARE THREE LOTS, FOUR LOTS AT THE END OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LIVE IN, THAT AGAIN, TWO OF 'EM ARE ALREADY COMMERCIAL.
WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE 'EM CONFORMING.
I THINK THEY'RE BOTH, NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND IS EVER GONNA PUT A HOUSE ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE ON FIVE 17.
SO THOSE ARE TWO LOTS THAT ARE GONNA BE STUCK IN PERPETUITY, NOT BEING ABLE TO BE ANYTHING.
AND I THINK, UH, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TURN THOSE INTO SMALL COMMERCIAL LOTS, ALL FOUR OF THEM.
YOU'RE GONNA ZO REZONE THE DENTIST OFFICE AND THEN TO SEND SPA AND THE LOT JUST WEST OF IT.
'CAUSE I THINK JEN SPA OWNS BOTH THOSE LOTS OF PROPERTY.
THEY OWN 5 0 4 AND THE ONE RIGHT DIRECTLY WEST OF IT.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS ONE, UH, NEXT TO THE LIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT ONE, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S FOR SALE.
AND IT, I MEAN IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO MAKE IT MORE MARKETABLE TOO.
I'VE GOT INFORMATION THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
THE CLEANERS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FIVE 17 THAT'S IN THAT PARTS CHICKEN.
THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THAT LOT, BUT TURNED OR AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT WAS ZONED THE WRONG WAY.
BE UP AGAINST THE BATTLE OF PUTTING A CLEANERS IN RIGHT THERE.
NOW GRANTED THEY'RE NOT REAL CLEANERS.
BUT IT WOULD'VE MOVED FROM LAKE CITY INTO DICKINSON.
AND UH, THAT IS ONE ACTUALLY, THE LIONS HAVE A GREAT FENCE RIGHT THERE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE DIFFICULT TO PUT OFFERING IN.
CURRENTLY CITY OF DICKINSON HAS ZERO CLEANERS IN THE ROOM.
WELL, THE REASON WHY I KNOW THAT INFORMATION LIONS SHALL I GIVE YOU THE LIST OF THINGS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT WOULD BENEFIT US.
SHALL I GIVE YOU THE LIST OF THINGS WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE? NO, SIR.
WE'RE CRUSHING IT ON GYMS THOUGH, AS YOU CAN TELL BY ALL OF US.
UM, UH, EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT SMALL CO YOU CLEAR? SMALL COMMERCIAL.
SO THESE SMALL COMMERCIAL ON THOSE FOUR LOTS.
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UH, I DO HAVE THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS THAT? WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE A LINE NEXT TO ARMAND? THIS RIGHT HERE? POTENTIAL.THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE SOME KIND OF EASEMENT.
SO IT IT'S PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE.
WELL, I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER.
UH, THIS IS OWNED BY THE HOA AS PART OF THE, UH, GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO JUST PART OF THE EASEMENT THAT'S, UH, APPARENTLY OWNED BY 'EM.
SO THERE'S NO REASON TO REZONE THAT.
NO, THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF IT TOO.
AND THEN THAT'S GONNA BE DG RIGHT THERE, UM, UH, THAT LOT TO THE LEFT OF DG.
THAT'S COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? THAT IS AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
OH, THERE WE'RE GOT LOST THERE FOR A SECOND.
WHAT HE'S GOT HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW IS A PORTION OF THAT'S WHERE THE, THE RAILROAD MUSEUM IS, ISN'T IT? NOPE.
I THINK 4 0 4 PAPS ABOUT PAPS.
AND THEN WE SCROLL DOWN, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE CREEK.
I'M NOT SURE THE WHAT, THAT'S WHERE THE CATCHMENT'S AT.
THE WATER CATCHMENT RIGHT THERE BY DOLLAR GENERAL.
GO TO YOUR KEEP TRUCKING A LITTLE BIT.
WHO'S THAT? HE'S GOT HIGHLIGHTED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
I WAS THINKING THE OTHER SIDE.
OH, AND THEN WE GO PAST THE CAR WASH.
IT'S LIKE PRIME REAL ESTATE BEFORE WE PUT THE DIVIDERS IN
THAT USED TO, USED TO BE PET COW PASTURE.
ALL OF IT USED TO COW PASTURE.
ALL THAT WAS COW PASTURE YEARS AGO.
UM, JUST, JUST A A QUESTION FOR THE RECORD.
I I, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, BUT IT JUST, ON ITEMS LIKE THIS, THAT'S A JUST A GIANT RIGHT OF WAY, OWNED BY THE CITY.
IS THERE ANY DESIGNATION IN OUR ZONING MAP THAT SAYS, I'M, I'M SAYING SOMETHING KIND OF HALF DUMB, NOT AVAILABLE AS IN CITY OWNED RIGHT AWAY.
CAN'T GO THERE, UTILITY RIGHT AWAY? YEAH.
WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT, UH, FOR THAT.
THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFIED AS LIKE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, UHHUH, UH, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, AND I RECALL SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE UDC, BUT THEY DID NOT END UP CREATING A DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.
UH, 'CAUSE REALLY THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
UM, UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, NECESSARY UTILITIES ARE PERMITTED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
UH, SO THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE ZONING AS FAR AS ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
THE, THE ONLY REASON, AND AGAIN, NOT MAKING A FIGHT ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM MY OWN BENEFIT.
I'M THINKING ABOUT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR CITY WITH THE MULTIPLE DRAINAGE DITCHES WE HAVE THAT ARE, UH, BASICALLY OWNED BY THE CITY IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AS FAR AS THE, THE MAINTENANCE ON 'EM AND SUCH LIKE THAT, UM, NO MATTER WHO COMES IN ANYWHERE AROUND HERE, THEY'VE GOT NO RIGHT OR ABILITY TO TRY TO, AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS FROM A ZONING ALSO FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE.
IF SOMEBODY LOOKED IN THIS THING AND SAID, OKAY, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH THE ZONING, THIS IS A DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THESE TWO PROPERTIES THAT NOTHING CAN OR WILL EVER BE BUILT THERE.
AND AGAIN, SAYING THINGS OUT LOUD TO SEE IF THEY MAKE SENSE TO ME IS REALLY WHAT I JUST DID.
I MEAN, SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE INTENT YOU'RE TRYING TO DESIGNATE? WHAT CITY PROPERTY, WHAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED? WELL, IN MY IGNORANT WORLD, I'M LOOKING AT THIS BIG GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AREA RIGHT HERE.
BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S A, A BIG DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
THAT THESE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS CAN NEVER BE CONNECTED IN ANY FORM OR FASHION.
AND IT'S JUST MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS OTHER THAN THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE, ARE DIVIDERS THAT ARE NOT, THAT'S NOT A LOT,
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THAT'S NOT OPEN SPACE, THAT'S NOT USABLE SPACE THAT CAN'T EVER, NOBODY CAN EVER DEVELOP THERE OR THINK ABOUT DEVELOPING THERE.I PICKING UP WHAT I'M LAYING DOWN HERE AT ALL.
OR AM I JUST KIND OF YOU'RE WANTING, I I MIGHT BE OFF TRACK.
WELL, THE ONLY THING I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT STRIP THAT IS THAT DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE DITCH IS WHAT YOU'RE, WELL, THERE THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER ONES IN THE CITY ALSO MM-HMM
BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES RIGHT NOW YEP.
AND IT COULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED ANYWAY 'CAUSE IT'S DRAINAGE.
AND SO THEREFORE, AND BEING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, THAT IS NOT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL, THOSE THAT STRIP NO, IT'S AN EASEMENT.
CAN YOU CLASSIFY IT? YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF OTHER CLASSIFICATION WE COULD USE FOR THAT? SO NOT, NOT AN EXISTING ONE ON ZONED, BUT CAN YOU UNCLASSIFY IT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I GUESS THE REASON IT'S A, IT IS, UM, ZONED AS SOMETHING BECAUSE IT IS, IT ACTUALLY HAS A PARCEL ID, IT IS A REAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, NOT NECESSARILY JUST A RIGHT OF WAY, LIKE TRUE, BUT WHO OWNS IT? THE CITY OF DICKINSON.
AND NOBODY CAN EVER BUILD ON IT.
NOBODY CAN APPROACH THE CITY AND ASK TO BUY IT.
AND AGAIN, PART OF ZONING IN MY HEAD IS THINKING ABOUT THE MARKETING OF THE CITY ALSO.
AND THAT'S WHERE MAKING SURE SOMEBODY THAT IS SITTING IN NORTH IN DALLAS LOOKING AT THIS MAP, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF RECOGNIZING THAT THAT'S A DRAINAGE DITCH BY VIRTUE OF THE LOT.
AND AGAIN, TRAVIS, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
DON'T, WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE ON THIS, UH, TO ME CONVERSATIONALLY TO BE BROUGHT UP LATER ON PLACES LIKE THAT, THAT IN MY OPINION, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT FALLS IN CATEGORY OF NOT ZONED SOME KIND OF PHRASE THAT'S MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THAT.
BUT ULTIMATELY THE THING I'M HUNG UP ON IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GENERAL RESIDENTIAL IS BEING IDENTIFIED AS SUCH.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IF THAT STRIP WAS JUST A DIFFERENT COLOR, IT WOULD DESIGNATE THAT IT'S SOMETHING OTHER THAN EXACTLY.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
AND IT, IT, AGAIN, IT, IT'S NOT, UH, COMMERCIAL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT THERE NEXT TO TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK YOU'RE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON I'LL, I'M DONE KILLING THAT HORSE,
LET ME RESEARCH THAT AND I'LL GET BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, WE ARE NOW MOVING DOWN TOWARD 45.
THAT'S NER RIGHT THERE, ISN'T IT? RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
SO, AND THAT'S THE DICKINSON HISTORICAL SOCI.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S THE RAILROAD DEPOT.
UH, NO, IT'S OFF OF KELLNER, ISN'T IT? RIGHT THERE.
SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS, IS THAT URBAN TRANSITION? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? WHAT THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS? CORRECT.
URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH IS THE ONE WE DON'T OVERLY LIKE, RIGHT? UH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
SO THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM, OR THE RAILROAD MUSEUM IS ZONED URBAN TRANSITION.
WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THAT LOT? OR BLOCK? IS IT THE CITY OR HISTORICAL FOUNDATION? WHO, WHO OWNS IT? IT IS THE CITY OF DICKINSON.
SO KIND OF
MORE PROPERTY THAT CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING, WHICH TO A DEGREE, AND I MEAN, TONGUE IN CHEEK.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S DEFINITELY BEING USED FOR SOMETHING NOT TO DIMINISH ITS VALUE.
IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS, BUT IT KIND OF FALLS IN THE, THE PARKS AND REC KIND OF, YEAH.
IF THERE WAS ZONING FOR THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ZONE IT THAT WAY TO ME MM-HMM
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NEVER GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
IT'S GONNA REMAIN AS EITHER A MUSEUM OR SOME, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE OR SOMETHING.
THIS ONE I COULD, I COULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT, UH, THE ARGUMENT OF A DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
BUT AS FAR AS LIKE NO ZONING OR NON DEVELOPABLE, THIS ONE, UH, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS LIKE THE EASEMENTS AND STUFF THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I WOULD BE INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH ENOUGH MONEY, THE CITY WILL SELL IT TO 'EM.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION IN THE FUTURE.
NOT SAYING WE'RE INTERESTED IN THAT AT THE TIME, BUT THAT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT,
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THAT MAY OR MAY NOT ALWAYS BE IN THE CITY'S POSSESSION.I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL THAT NOBODY MISUNDERSTANDS WHAT WE JUST SAID THERE.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO GET RID OF THE DEPOT.
IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING, THIS IS ALL A JOKE.
IT, IT MIGHT BE WORTH, UH, CONSIDERING ZONING THAT PARCEL TO COMMERCIAL FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT MIGHT TAKE PLACE THERE.
AND, AND IN LINE WITH THAT SMALL SCALE, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION TO HAVE IN THE EVENT THAT DOWN THE ROAD WE'RE ABLE TO AFFORD MOVING TO A BETTER LOCATION THAN UTILIZING THAT PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL.
THAT IS PRIME COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.
AND THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF THAT DEPOT EITHER.
IT'S BEEN MOVED FOUR OR FIVE TIMES IN ITS LIFE.
I, I'M INCLINED TO, TO CHANGE THAT TO A COMMERCIAL.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TOURISM FOR THAT MATTER.
SO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, THE CURRENT ZONING AS URBAN TRANSITION, IT APPEARS, UH, MAKES THE DEEP NON-CONFORMING IF IT'S A MUSEUM IS NOT PERMITTED IN URBAN TRANSITION.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, GOING TO A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, AUTO CENTRIC, UH, DOES PERMIT MUSEUMS BY.
AND SO CURRENT USE WOULD BE CONFORMING, UH, AND THEN FOLLOWING USES WOULD, UH, HAVE TO COME OUTTA THAT CATEGORY.
UH, ACTUALLY GO BACK TO WHERE, SORRY? THE, THE CIRCLES, UH, AUTOCENTRIC AND, UH, SMALL COMMERCIAL TOO.
SO YOU NOTICE THE SMALL SALE COMMERCIAL HAS THIS LIMITED USE PERMIT ON THERE.
SO THAT STANDARD WAS OH, UH, GO BACK 18, 13.
I, AND I WOULD KIND OF BE INCLINED TO PUT THAT AS SMALL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE AGAIN, IT BUTTS UP TO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO HERE AT THE BOTTOM IS THE ONLY LIMITED USE CONDITION, UH, IN THAT SMALL SCALE DISTRICT IS THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE STRUCTURE SHALL NOT EXCEED 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, UNLESS IT CONFLICTS WITH ANOTHER SECTION.
THIS, THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG LOT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADJACENT ZONING, UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASY TO SUPPORT AUTOCENTRIC AT THIS LOCATION.
I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH AUTOCENTRIC.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A A THOUGHT? NO.
SO NOW THE ENTIRE BROWN SECTION URBAN TRANSITION THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THERE THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF.
UM, MAN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SIT HERE AND NITPICK THIS THING TO DEATH.
BUT I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A CHURCH, WHICH FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IS IT CHURCH AUTOCENTRIC? I MEAN IT'S, I HATE TO CALL IT CHURCH COMMERCIAL, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
WE'LL NEVER GET ELECTED AGAIN.
LET ME SHOW YOU THE, UH, USE CATEGORY OF THIS.
THIS IS FOR TRANSITION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IS THERE ANY ZONING WHERE CHURCHES ARE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED? I DON'T THINK THERE IS.
IT IS ONE OF THESE, BUT IT'S NOT CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY.
SO IS THIS ONE THE ALL OTHER COMMUNITY FACILITIES NOW LISTED ABOVE? IF YOU CLICK HERE, IT TAKES YOU TO ALL USES A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A CHURCH IN HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC, UH, CHURCH OR PLACE OF WORSHIP.
NOT INCLINED TO DISAGREE WITH YOU.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, UH, THE USE IS THERE.
THE ONLY ONE THAT'S PROHIBITED IS DOWNTOWN UHHUH.
WHAT WAS YOUR CONCERN, BRUCE? UH, JUST BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH I GUESS, WELL WAIT A MINUTE.
UH, BLACK MEANS THEY HAVE TO HAVE PERMITTING.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.
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THAT'S CORRECT.WHICH IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, WHEN THAT WAS PUT THERE, THEY DID IN FACT HAVE THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK ALL CHURCHES BACK IN THE DAY HAD TO HAVE AN SUP.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT PREVIOUS ZONING REQUIRED SUP FOR ALL CHURCHES.
SO WELL WE KNOW THAT SOME CHURCHES HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO COMMERCIAL USE.
THAT BAPTIST CHURCH OVER HERE IS PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
I THINK IT'S THE FIRST BAPTIST.
BUT THEY HAD TO REZONE, DID THEY NOT? NO, NO THEY DIDN'T.
BECAUSE IT WAS COMMERCIAL WITH AN SUP.
AND SO BASICALLY WHEN THEY GAVE UP THE CHURCH, THEY LOST THE SUP, THEY WENT NATURALLY COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE MAP HERE, SIR.
URBAN TRA I, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BEING ALL URBAN TRANSITION.
'CAUSE URBAN TRANSITION TO ME, AND AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN DEPTH AS FAR AS IT'S, IT'S LIKE A CROSSOVER BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND REALLY THE COMMERCIAL PART IS, IS NOT MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S, IT'S VERY LIGHT USE.
AND I THINK THAT PROPERTY AND THAT SITE, AND AGAIN, GOING WITH EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST SAID, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS CHURCH IS NO LONGER HERE.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT HOMES OVER THERE.
WELL THERE'S ALREADY HOMES BACK DOWN THERE.
AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXISTING USES, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL USES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN URBAN TRANSITION.
SO THIS IS LITERALLY CALLED MEDICAL PARK DRIVE.
THAT'S ALL DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND STUFF ARE CURRENTLY.
AND THAT SOUTHERN MOST PART IT'S BUILT, IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
IS IT NOT? WELL, THERE IS A BED AND BREAKFAST OR IT USED TO BE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL THERE OR NOT.
YEAH, IT'S STILL THERE ON THE CORNER CLAN RIGHT HERE.
UM, MAN, I, I'M KIND OF INCLINED TO, UH, I WISH I KNEW WHAT THE HELL WAS OVER HERE A LITTLE BETTER.
WELL I'M LOOKING BACK BEHIND THE CHEMIC HEADQUARTERS.
THAT'S, I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHOULDN'T ALL THIS BE COMMERCIAL? I MEAN EVEN THE CHURCH PROPERTY, I, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S NOT 'CAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE SUP AND HOPEFULLY WILL FOREVER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING, UH, NORTH OF 38 16 NORTH OF 38 17, THAT SHOULD ALL BE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE EVEN THE SQUARE YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING RIGHT THERE, YEAH.
THAT'S BACKS UP TO THE CHEMIC HEADQUARTERS.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S THE SAME OWNER FOR ALL THESE POSSIBLE YEAH.
AND SOMEBODY PROBABLY OWNS THAT LOT.
IF THEY WANTED TO PUT ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS IN THERE OR ANYTHING, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL.
AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS UTMB MATERIAL.
WELL SOMEWHERE IN, THERE'S COUNCILMAN SCHRADER'S HOUSE.
HE MIGHT NOT WANT COMMERCIAL BEHIND HIM THAT'S OVER ON KELLNER.
BUT IT BACKS YEAH, HE BACKS UP TO IT.
WELL, BUT I MEAN, WHAT ELSE CAN IT EVER BE? AND THIS IS STILL KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE USE OF ALL THIS STUFF HADN'T BEEN ANYTHING FOR DECADES.
NOBODY'S GONNA BUILD A HOME IN THE MIDST OF ALL THAT.
BUT SOMEBODY COULD BUILD A, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY EVEN DOWN ON THE, YOU DIDN'T WANT A DOLLAR GENERAL BEHIND YOUR HOUSE, BUT THERE IT IS.
WHAT'S THAT? EVEN DOWN ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THAT, OF THAT AREA.
THAT AREA DOWN THERE THAT, UH, 38 16 38 17 MM-HMM
THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL DOWN THERE.
SO THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE ZONE RESIDENTIAL, SHOULD IT NOT.
WHY IS THAT 38 17? THAT ONE LITTLE CARVE OUT THERE ON KELLNER ZONE THE WAY IT IS? UH, IT PROBABLY JUST LOOKS WEIRD THAT WAY.
'CAUSE THAT LOT, UH, IS PLATTED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE SURROUNDING LOTS.
UH, BECAUSE IT HAS THAT FRONTAGE ON NER, UH, BUT EXTENDS MUCH FURTHER BACK THAN THE REST OF THE LOTS THAT FRONT NER.
SO THAT'S NOT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE THOUGH, IS IT? IT IS.
IS IT IS PLATTED IT'S ONE PARCEL.
WELL THEN SHOULDN'T THAT, THAT LOT.
38 17? SHOULDN'T THAT BE RESIDENTIAL? I MEAN THAT HOUSE IS NOT SEPARATED FROM EVERYTHING ELSE, OR AT LEAST NEIGHBORHOOD CON CONSERVATION.
IF YOU, SAME THING WITH 20 YEAH.
YEAH, THAT ONE'S A LITTLE ODD.
BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT STILL HAS ACCESS RIGHT HERE OFF COUNTY.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY KNOW THAT HOUSE AND IT, IT'S, THERE'S
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NO DIFFERENCE TO IT.AND 2 34, 2 30 RIGHT BELOW IT, IT JUST, THE DRIVEWAY GOES IN THE CORNER.
THE, THE 38 16 38 17, THAT LINE GOING EAST AND WEST RIGHT THERE.
EVERYTHING DOWN BELOW THAT IN ONE FORM OR FASHION.
I MEAN, I, I PUT THE CONVERSATION TO THE, THE TEAM HERE AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, AND I WONDER IF 2 34 IS, UH, URBAN TRANSITION BECAUSE THAT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A PATIO HOME.
THE, THE LOT SIZE, UH, PROBABLY DOES NOT FIT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
THE HOUSE SITS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, I DRIVE BY THERE ALL THE TIME.
IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A CONNECTION TO THE OTHER HOUSE.
MY TREES TURN ON, HAD TO PUT THE TREES IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
IT IS A LITTLE, IT DOES SIT A LITTLE STRANGE THERE THE WAY YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING.
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHY, MAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY SHARED A, IN FACT THEY SHARE A DRIVEWAY HOUSE.
THE PEOPLE THAT HAD THIS, I KNEW THOSE PEOPLE HAD TWO 30.
THEY BUILT THAT HOUSE FOR THEIR PARENTS ON TWO.
I WAS SAY THEY'VE GOT A SHARED DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE.
I THINK THAT THEY BOUGHT THAT LOT AND NEVER DID HAVE IT.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY I OH, YOU KNOW IT WELL THEN.
IT REALLY SHOULD BE PART OF TWO 30.
THEY SHOULD HAVE INTEGRATED IT TOGETHER.
BUT, BUT THAT BROWN AREA THAT, UH, URBAN TRANSITION UP TO THAT MEDICAL CENTER, THAT, THAT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE EITHER CONSIDERED GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATIVE.
IF WE DRAW A THAT NORTHEAST LINE.
HOW LOT NUMBERS, EVERYTHING NOW, I WILL SAY BY ITSELF IS WEIRD.
I'M IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT, PHIL, EXCEPT FOR, UM, TRAVIS THE LOT DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR FRAME RIGHT NOW.
UM, I DON'T THINK EITHER GENERAL RESIDENTIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD CON CONSERVATION ALLOW FOR AIRBNBS IN THEM.
DO THEY THAT UH, LET ME VERIFY THAT.
IT'S A BED AND BREAKFAST, ISN'T IT? YEP.
YOU SAID AN AIRBNB SAME SOUP, DIFFERENT CAN, YEAH.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FANTASTIC PEOPLE AND I DON'T WANNA MESS WITH 'EM.
EVERYWHERE, HUH? AND THEY HAVE THE PERMIT, SHORT TERM OR VAC.
SO THESE ARE ALL PERMITTED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I KIND OF AM IN AGREEMENT WITH PHIL GOING BACK TO YOUR, UH, DRAWING.
I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT 38 17, THAT NORTH NORTH LINE, EVERYTHING GOING TO WATER STREET.
SHOULD ALL BE, AND I LET YOU GUYS MAKE THE CALL.
NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR GENERAL RESIDENTIAL? UH, I THINK PROBABLY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION WOULD BE A, A BETTER FIT.
THE SURROUNDING ZONING, UH, IS ALSO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND THIS AREA IS MOSTLY BUILT OUT.
AND THEN I ALSO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT EVERYTHING NORTH OF THAT LOT SHOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC.
THOUGHTS, DISAGREEMENTS, AUTOCENTRIC ALLOWS FOR, INCLUDES THE CHURCH.
IT'S BASIC COMMERCIAL AT THAT POINT.
BUT IT ALLOWS FOR THE, THE CATEGORY OF CHURCHES ARE A PUBLIC GATHERING PLACE.
UH, IT DOES THE CHURCH, IT CAN GO EVERYWHERE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE, THE GENERAL USE PERMIT.
UH, IT'S KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH DICKIN VERSE BAPTIST.
IF THIS CHURCH EVER GOES WITH I'M ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
I'M NOT IN, I'M NOT DISAGREEMENT.
SO BY THE WAY, COUNCILMAN, YOU'RE HEARING THIS CONVERSATION AND I DO, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY HERE AND THEY CAN DISAGREE, BUT IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OR DISAGREEMENTS ON THIS, I WOULDN'T MIND HEARING YOUR THOUGHTS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POINT IN US HAVING ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU GUYS GO, THAT'S STUPID.
NO, I THINK WE'RE MAKING IT RIGHT.
AND IF THERE'S A OBJECTION THAT I MIGHT HAVE, I'LL SHARE IT.
WE'RE ONLY RECOMMENDING YOU GUYS HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
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THEN MOVE ON.WELL, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I KIND OF INTEND TO TAKE EVERYTHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN OUR WORKSHOP MEETINGS AND KIND OF PUT IT ALL INTO AN ORGANIZED DOCUMENT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CONFLICTING, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN I'LL KIND OF PRESENT THAT AS A PACKAGE TO COUNSEL.
AND I, I CERTAINLY INTEND THEY WILL PICK THAT APART TOO.
I THINK THAT SOLVES A LOT OF THE ISSUES IN, IN THIS AREA.
UH, AS FAR AS THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING, UH, Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PD, THE WATER STREET PD, UH, SO THAT, THAT AREA SHOULD BE HANDLED.
UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AT ALL.
DOESN'T WHAT'S THAT? THE 1 0 4, 1 0 5, THAT'S ALL JUST, THAT'S, THEY HAVE IT AS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN EVEN ARGUE THAT IT'S AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL OR URBAN TRANSITION.
THEY, THEY USED TO HAVE INTERSTATE COMMERCIAL AND THEY HAD A LOT OF DETAILS ON WHAT YOU COULD AND COULDN'T DO.
WHICH BY THE WAY, THAT'S, UM, CORRECT ME ON AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.
ISN'T THERE DETAILS IN IT, TALKING ABOUT SIZE OF SIGNS, HEIGHT OF SIGNS, BUNCH OF STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO EACH ZONING DISTRICT HAS A SPECIFIC SIGN STANDARDS.
UH, THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIGNS PERMITTED IN AUTOCENTRIC VERSUS WELL, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
I JUST DON'T WANT US TO CREATE A BUNCH OF NON-CONFORMING WHEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT DO THAT.
AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE, UH, FOUR OR FIVE BUSINESSES JUST SITTING RIGHT THERE, ALL OF 'EM HAVE LARGE SIGNS.
MCDONALD'S, TACO BELL, SHELL, PHILLIPS 66, WHATEVER.
I, I DON'T, NOT, I DON'T WANT, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T PUT LIMITATIONS THAT MAKE THEM GO WELL OUR SIGN BROKE AND NOW WE GOTTA SPEND SIX MONTHS TRYING TO GET A PERMIT TO REPLACE OUR SIGN.
WE KIND OF HAD THAT WITH ANOTHER COMPANY AND I'D RATHER NOT HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN IN YEAH.
'CAUSE EVERYONE, EVERYONE THERE ALREADY HAS ESTABLISHED SIGNS.
BUT THE DARN THING IS IF THEIR SIGN BREAKS.
SO THIS IS, UH, ALL THE SIGNS PERMITTED BY DISTRICT MM-HMM
AND IT GETS MORE SPECIFIC WITH, WITH SIZE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THE URBAN TRANSITION, UH, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS AREA, IT DOES NOT PERMIT POLE SIGNS.
UH, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME POLE SIGNS IN THIS AREA MM-HMM
BUT IF WE WOULD'VE TOOK IT ALL AS AUTOCENTRIC, AND I'M NOT GONNA WASTE MY TIME READING ALL THE DESCRIPTIONS ON AN TING SIGN, SIGN, MARQUEE SIGN, PROJECTING SIGN.
BUT BOTTOM LINE, THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS ON WHAT KIND OF SIGNS THEY CAN PUT THERE ULTIMATELY IN AUTOCENTRIC.
THERE, THERE IS SOME LIMITATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THESE ARE THE TYPES, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR EACH TYPE.
WHAT IS A HUNDRED FOOT TALL NEON SIGN? IS THAT IN HERE? UH, IT DOES ADDRESS POLE SIGNS AND HEIGHT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
IT IS, IS THAT WHAT A, A POLE SIGN? IS THAT BY DEFINITION WHAT IT IS? YES SIR.
AND I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY MCDONALD'S.
SO THAT, AND THAT IS PROBABLY OVER A HUNDRED FEET TALL, THAT THING'S WAY UP THERE.
UH, SO WITHIN, WE PERMIT UP TO 75 FOOT, SO IT GOES BY LOT SIZE.
IF YOUR LOT IS 200 FEET OR LESS WITH STREET FRONTAGE YOU CAN HAVE A 50 FOOT TALL POLE SIGN GREATER THAN 200 FEET PERMITS, A 75 FOOT POLE SIGN.
I THINK IT, WELL YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.
'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH ASKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR SIGN.
I DON'T THINK 75 FEET IS ENOUGH CREATING DESTINATIONS OFF THE FREEWAY.
SO IF THEIR SIGN'S HIGHER THAN THAT ALREADY, THEN WE MIGHT NEED TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT TODAY.
UH, WE'RE NOT JUST DYING ON THE, THE PLATS TONIGHT AND ZONING.
WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE UDC TRAVIS.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A REQUEST THAT, UH, YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE SIGNS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND CALL THAT THE ADJUSTMENT.
YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND CLIMB IT.
BUT THAT PROPERTY OUGHT TO BE AUTO WHEN I WAS 30 YEARS OLD MAYBE.
YOU NEVER WORKED IN REFINERY THEN? OOH, I DID BACK IN THE DAY.
THAT PROBABLY WAS, EXCUSE ME, CENTRIC.
IS THAT YOUR, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, BRUCE? I AM SIR.
AND, AND NOW THAT'S 1 0 4, 1 0 5 AND ALL THOSE.
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AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THIS GREEN ONE RIGHT HERE? MIXED.WHAT IS THAT? UH, SO THE MIXED USE DISTRICT MCDONALD'S.
HOW DID MCDONALD'S GET ITS OWN ZONING? THAT I AM UNSURE.
UH, MAYBE IT'S ADJACENT TO THIS PD.
UM, AND, AND THE NAME OF, AGAIN, CLEANING THIS UP TOO.
AND IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING SOMETHING INTELLIGENT, BUT IF THERE'S NO LOGICAL REASON, IT SHOULD JUST GO AUTOCENTRIC.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, THE MIXED USE DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT AND WHAT WE WOULD LOSE IF WE WENT AWAY, UH, FROM THAT.
UH, I, I THINK IT WE'RE STAYING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FIVE 17.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH SIDE STILL.
UH, THIS, THIS GOES INTO A BIGGER PICTURE.
SO, UH, THE MIXED USE DISTRICT IS ONE OF TWO THAT REQUIRES, UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS AND IT IS ALSO A MIXED USE.
SO IT PERMITS A, A GOOD MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO IF WE ARE GOING AWAY FROM THE MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS ON THE FREEWAY FRONTAGE, UH, THEN WE ARE LOSING THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARD OF THE BUILDING DESIGN.
WELL, WHY WOULD MCDONALD'S BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN THOSE OTHER BUSINESSES? GOOD QUESTION.
AND IT, IT SEEMS, FORGIVE ME TRAVIS.
THE MIXED USE IS A COMBINATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE URBAN TRANSITION BY CONVERSATION.
AND IT KIND OF DOVETAILED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE MIXED USE AND THE URBAN TRANSITION WAS MAXIMUM DENSITY IN WHICH I THINK WE'RE NOT THAT INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING THAT ANYMORE.
'CAUSE THAT KIND OF GOES OVER TO THE ENTIRE, ALL THAT AREA TO THE EAST OF 45.
THE, UH, THE GYM GATORS, UH, WE ALREADY REZONE THAT, BUT UM, THE, THE BOOT BARN, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PLACES, THEY'RE NOT AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL OR MIXED.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GOING.
IF SOMEBODY THINKS THEY'RE GONNA PUT AN APARTMENT OVER ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE OUT OF THEIR MIND.
THESE IS PURE, THAT WHOLE AREA IS PURELY AUTOCENTRIC RIGHT NOW.
IT'S AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL IS WHAT THEY HAVE HERE.
THEY'RE BETWEEN SPRUCE AND 40 FIVES EXCEPT THAT ONE LITTLE CORNER RIGHT THERE.
AND SO THIS WHOLE AREA WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED AS MIXED USE.
WE CHANGED IT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED THAT IT, THEY REQUEST ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO GO TO OFFICE.
LOOK AT WHERE KROGER USED TO BE.
MIXED USE NOW THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE.
SO YOU GOT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX BACK THERE.
HEARTBREAKERS, UH, URBAN TRANSIT, THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMERCIAL THAT LOT.
THE REST OF IT IS, UH, WHAT DO WE CALL IT WHERE, UH, THEY HAVE APARTMENTS ALLOWED, UH, URBAN MULTIFAMILY.
IT USED TO BE MULTIFAMILY, BUT IS IT HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF? YEAH, THAT'S THE PREVIOUS DISTRICT.
UH, DEETS ALONG, UH, MEDICAL IS, THAT'S NOT MEDICAL PARK ON THE NORTH SIDE IS IT? IT'S HUGHES.
SO WORD SHOWS DETS AND THAT THEN IT'S UH, AUTOCENTRIC THAT NORTH OF IT IS, IS MCCREE.
EVERYTHING SOUTH THERE IS THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
ALL OF THAT BROWN OR BEIGE I GUESS.
SO I'M GOING TO, AGAIN, MAKING KIND OF A BOLD STATEMENT.
THE HEARTBREAKERS NEEDS TO BE AUTOCENTRIC AND ALL THAT MIXED USE, WHICH IS THE OLD KROGER, THE LOT, EVERYTHING THERE, THAT'S ALL AUTOCENTRIC.
NOBODY'S GONNA PUT A HOUSE OR APARTMENT IN THERE.
NOBODY'S GONNA LIVE ABOVE THE GYM.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL IN THERE.
BUT THIS WHOLE SECTION UP HERE SHOULDN'T BE MIXED USE URBAN TRANSITION.
THAT NEEDS TO BE WHATEVER YOU JUST SAID.
AS FAR AS, UH, APARTMENT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE CALL THAT? SO OUR URBAN TRANSITION IS THE DISTRICT THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH REPLACED THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, THE ONE YOU THINK OF.
THAT MIGHT BE THE ONE PLACE IN THE CITY.
I THINK I AGREE WITH IT THEN FOR, FOR THESE TWO PARCELS.
BUT NOT THE, NOT HEARTBREAKERS AND THE TWO LOTS ADJACENT TO IT.
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COMMERCIAL GETS AND THE ENTIRE MIXED, THIS GREEN MIXED USE RIGHT THERE, THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMERCIAL.ALL THIS GREEN MIXED USE OVER HERE IS STILL COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN WHAT IS THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT? DIDN'T SOMEBODY COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT, THEY WERE WANTING TO BUILD OUT THERE? SO THIS GUY, HE'S, HE'S COME AND GONE WITH A FEW DIFFERENT ITERATIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY HIS, HIS BASIC PLAN IS KIND OF A BUSINESS PARK KIND OF DEAL.
INDUSTRIAL WITH A, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSES WHERE IT'S ALL ONE BUILDING.
IT'S A BOAT REPAIR PLACE NOW, ISN'T IT? FIBER? OH NO, THAT'S TAYLOR BOATS IS RIGHT THERE.
OKAY, SO IT'S NOBODY GONNA PUT AN APARTMENT THERE.
SO THE PURPLE IS ACTUALLY THE PARKING LOT PLANNED? NO, THAT'S THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE.
HE WAS GONNA CLEAR THAT AND BUILD ALL KINDS OF NEAT THINGS, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT WAS ALL COMMERCIAL.
WASN'T THAT WHAT HE WAS WANTING? UH, SO THE PREVIOUS ZONING WAS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND, AND I GUESS WHAT HIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IT DIDN'T FIT INTO THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IT'S STILL LIVING UNDER THE, THE TITLE OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
BUT IS THERE A, A TIMELINE ON THAT? DOES IT EXPIRE IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH IT? FOR WE, I MEAN, I GUESS WE ALREADY ZONED IT.
UH, I NEED TO REFER TO, UH, MUNI CODE AND THE PREVIOUS ZONING ORDINANCE TO VERIFY THAT IF THERE'S A TIME LIMIT WHERE IT EXPIRES.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M GONNA MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT ALL THE WAY FROM TAYLOR BOATS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIVE 17 MINUS THAT PLANNING PLANNED, UH, AREA, I THINK THAT SHOULD ALL BE COMMERCIAL.
BECAUSE THAT'S A GIANT RV PARK OR, OR A STORAGE LOT RIGHT THERE.
SO THE RV, THE RV PARKING, NOT, NOT THE STORAGE, BUT THE ACTUAL PARKING AREA WOULD FALL UNDER.
IS IT GONNA, WERE WE ZONING THEM OUT OF THEIR THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S ALL THE SAME LOT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? YES.
UH, SO A LITTLE CONTEXT ON THIS ONE RECENTLY, UH, THEY REPLANTED IT INTO THREE PARCELS.
UH, SO THE CAR WASH UP FRONT YEAH.
UH, THERE'S A LITTLE ACCESS EASEMENT HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO PARCELS BACK HERE.
SO, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE RV STORAGE, UM, YEAH.
OR I GUESS SO DOES, UH, AUTOCENTRIC ALLOW RV PARKS? I BELIEVE SO.
UM, MANUFACTURE, THERE'S A SPECIFIC ONE RIGHT THERE.
UH, SO IT IS PERMITTED IN AUTOCENTRIC TO PERFECT.
WE CAN CALL THAT WHOLE AREA THEN.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO START WITH, AND AGAIN, THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, SIR, TO FIND A HISTORY ON THAT, IF THERE'S A TIMELINE OR, UH, I, I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION IF THERE ISN'T AND WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THAT INTO COMMERCIAL, I THINK IT'D BE FOR THE BEST.
AND THEN JUST TO BE CLEAR, FROM FIVE 17 NORTH ALL THE WAY TO WHAT WOULD BE BORDEN'S GULLY, EXCEPT FOR THE PURPLE PART, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT SHOULD BE AUTOCENTRIC, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN EAST OF HUGHES ROAD, THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS GONNA STAY URBAN TRANSITION.
'CAUSE THAT'S ALL APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN HEARTBREAKERS, THOSE TWO LOTS AND EVERYTHING SOUTH OF FIVE 17 COMMERCIAL.
I'M GONNA POINT OUT ANOTHER THING THAT BACKED UP MY RIGHT OF WAY CONVERSATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF GULF FREEWAY.
THAT'S BORDEN GULLY RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THEY JUST, WHATEVER IS ADJACENT TO IT IS WHAT'S GOT, UH, LABELED TO RIGHT.
THAT'S LIKE THAT PLACE OVER THERE OFF FIVE 17 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
IT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DITCH.
OR WHO, WHO OWNS THAT LOT YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT THERE.
IT SHOWS AS, UH, THE BORDEN'S GULLY, HOA.
SHOULDN'T THAT BE RESIDENTIAL THEN? YEAH, IT SHOULD BE A, THAT'S A LITTLE BITTY SAUCE.
SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION THEN.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THEY UH,
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I THINK THEY MAINTAIN THAT.THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE TAYLOR BOATS.
AND WHAT IS THAT? I THINK THAT'S NOT TAYLOR BOATS.
IS THAT UTILITY? YEAH, THIS IS WCID.
YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE A PUMP STATION RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, THEY JUST DID SOME CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE.
MAYBE, UH, OR FINISHED IT UP, I GUESS.
AND I MEAN, TO KEEP POUNDING THAT FRICKING ROCK, UH, THAT'S OWNED BY WCID ONE, IT'S A PUMP STATION, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR DRAINAGE DITCHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY ZONED, SO.
YOU GOT THAT TRAP? I DO INDEED.
MOVING ALONG SMARTLY, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING REALLY WELL IN MY OPINION.
UH, UH, SO LET'S CIRCLE BACK JUST A MINUTE, MAKE SURE I GOT, UH, WHAT Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS AREA TOO.
DID WE AGREE THAT THIS WAS GONNA GO AUTOCENTRIC? YES.
AND THEN IS THERE, SCROLL SOUTH PLEASE.
SO THAT'S ALL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND KIND OF, I HATE TO ASK A DUMB QUESTION.
NO, APPARENTLY I'M PRETTY GOOD AT IT,
BUT, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, I, I KNOW THE, BY DEFINITION WHAT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS, BUT IS THERE A POINT WHERE SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT TO REZONE THIS WHOLE AREA OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN FIVE, EIGHT YEARS LATER NOTHING'S HAPPENED OR DOESN'T RESEMBLE WHAT IT WAS EVER SUPPOSED TO BE? WHEN DO YOU SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OR IS THAT EVEN A A DO YOU GET MY QUESTION ON THAT? I MEAN, I DO.
SO KEVIN, SAME, SAME KIND OF CONVERSATION PLAN DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN BY ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK IF IN THE FUTURE IF WE WANT A LIMITED TIME, WE COULD DO THAT BY ORDINANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT, TRAVIS? YEAH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT A STIPULATION AND, AND MOST PDS DO INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF TIME LIMIT IN THE PD ITSELF BECAUSE AGAIN, I MEAN, I, I KNOW THE HISTORY OF WATER STREET, THAT'S, AND IT'S BEEN POLITICAL, IT'S BEEN FUSSY.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT ALL THAT.
BUT THERE DOES COME THE POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THOSE TWO LOTS, THE ONE THAT'S UH, UH, WEST OF, UM, HUGHES ROAD AND THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE KIND OF SHUT DOWN.
NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY RIGHTS TO 'EM.
BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT IS ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT, MEANING SOMEBODY GAVE THE PLAN, WHICH MEANS THEY NOW HAVE RIGHTS TO THAT PLAN AND NOBODY ELSE CAN.
AND AGAIN, JUST THINKING ABOUT MARKETING FOR THE CITY IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE MORE SO TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE THAN, THAN WATER STREET.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL THE PLAN IS ON WATER STREET ANYMORE EITHER.
WELL THAT'S WHERE OUR PARKING GARAGE IS ISN'T WE GOT A GREAT PARKING GARAGE.
I KNOW THAT, I KNOW FOR A LONG TIME HE HAD THOSE FOR SALE SIGNS UP THERE.
SO IN MY MIND, HE COULD SELL THE PROPERTY AS LONG AS IT WAS AND THEY COULD UTILIZE IT AS LONG AS IT WAS IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA.
THE CRITERIA OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
IT SEEMED LIKE WHEN YOU TAKE A PORTION OF THE CITY AND, AND I I, I KNOW THIS PERSON, HE'S A GOOD MAN.
I, I'M NOT THROWING HIM UNDER THE BUS, BUT WHEN WE GET OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST CONVERSATION FOR FUTURE ALSO BETWEEN COUNCIL, US, TRAVIS, YOUR TEAM, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME TIMELINE ON THESE THINGS TO SOME DEGREE.
BECAUSE BASICALLY THE WAY THAT, IF I REMEMBER THE WAY THE CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN AND AGREED UPON, IT WAS A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, HE, HE GOT IT FOR NEXT TO NOTHING AND BASICALLY GOT TO HOLD ONTO IT AS LONG AS HE WANTS.
AND NOBODY IN THE CITY CAN DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT.
AND ALL OF THE, THE, AND AGAIN, HE'S A GOOD PERSON.
I'M NOT THROWING HIM UNDER THE BUS, BUT ALL HIS, NONE OF HIS PLANS HAVE COME TO FRUITION YET, OTHER THAN SIX STILT HOUSES OR SEVEN OR EIGHT, WHATEVER UP TO NOW.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 5, 6, 7 YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THAT LOT STAYS EXACTLY WHAT ALL WE'VE PUT IS A PARKING GARAGE ON IT NOW THAT WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO THE HELL PARKS IN THAT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WE WERE
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COMMITTED BY CONTRACT TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE PRIOR TO HIM STARTING HIS DEVELOPMENT THERE.AND HIS DEVELOPMENT IS NEEDS TO START SHORTLY AFTER THE PARKING GARAGE IS FINISHED.
IF IT DOESN'T, THEN HE'S A ENVOY OF HIS CONTRACT AND HE STANDS TO LOSE THAT LAND.
I HAD HEARD, AND YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT PHIL, I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG, BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS SOME DEGREE OF GRANTS AVAILABLE TO BUILD IT WITH THAT IT PAID FOR A LARGE PORTION OF IT.
AND SO IT'S GONNA BE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND WOULDN'T THIS BE WONDERFUL? AND SO BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT WE GOT SOME FREE GOVERNMENT MONEY MM-HMM
'CAUSE THAT CAME IN FRONT OF US, THE PARKING GARAGE.
DID THE APPROVE THIS SO WE CAN USE THIS GRANT.
I REMEMBER THIS COMING IN FRONT OF US.
I'M ACTUALLY DRAWING A BLANK ON THAT ONE.
IT WAS LIKE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER LAST YEAR, WAS IT? THAT'S WHEN I FIRST STARTED.
ANYWAY, I'M, AGAIN, I'M THE KING OF TAKING US DOWN RABBIT HOLES.
SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU, BUT, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL STAFF AT SOME POINT, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENTS THERE.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME TIMELINE ON THESE THINGS.
'CAUSE UH, I THINK THE CITY, THE CITY GETS HELD HOSTAGE, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGALITIES, I'M SURE OUR LAWYER COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING INTELLIGENT OR WHEN WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY USE THE SAME LANGUAGE AS WE DO WITH, UM, OUR VARIANCES.
VARIANCES PERMITS HAVE TO BE, YOU GOTTA HAVE IT IN SO MUCH TIME.
BUT NOW, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT, I'M GONNA SAY IT, TWO OF THE MOST VALUABLE PIECES OF PROPERTY IN OUR CITY ARE IN LIMBO.
I UNDERSTAND LEGALLY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO, UH, ARE WE GOING EAST OF 45 OR WERE WE GOING TO STOP AT 45? UH, I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU.
THE MAPS I PRINTED TODAY, I, I TOLD 'EM TO CUT IT OFF AT 45, BUT I THINK THEY GAVE US A LITTLE BIT EXTRA.
I WOULDN'T, THERE'S ONE PART OF, UH, WEST OF, UH, HAR EAST OF I 45.
I'D LIKE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF TALKING ALONG I 45 CORRIDOR EAST OF 45.
I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO FURTHER EAST THAN THAT, IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND.
PROBABLY TIME KIND OF LIMITS THAT TOO.
YEAH, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT WHOLE THING SOUTHWEST OR KIND OF WEST I GUESS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO? MY RECOMMENDATION IS STILL, IT'S ALL AUTOCENTRIC THIS AREA.
I MEAN THAT'S WHERE THE, IS THE, THE PRIEST HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE.
BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME STORY.
ISN'T THAT THE DIOCESE HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, THIS ONE I'M NOT F OH, IS THIS BEHIND THE BAY AREA RACEWAY? YEP.
BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME STORY.
UH, JACKING UP ON, JUST FIXING TO REOPEN OVER THERE, CORRECT AWAY.
YEAH, THEY, THEY GOT A PERMIT.
THEY'RE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD A NEW ONE.
THEY'RE GONNA WHAT? FLOOD PROOF.
UH, SO FEMA REQUIREMENT, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, YOU CAN EITHER ELEVATE, UH, TO THE CURRENT FEMA BASE FLOOD STANDARD, OR IF IT'S NON-RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN FLOOD PROOF THE BUILDING AS LONG AS THEY GRAFFITI PROOF IT.
SO IT'S AN ENGINEER DESIGN, UH, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO AUTO DEPLOY UNLESS THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A SEA WALL AROUND IT TO SOMETHING
IT, IT'S NOT FAR OFF THE CURTAIN THING.
UM, I'VE SEEN 'EM IN THERE WORKING ON IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
THEY HAD TO DO MOLD ABATEMENT.
UH, THEY HAD SOME MOLD IN THERE.
THAT PLACE WAS A, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN.
I'D BE AFRAID TO GO IN THERE AND EAT ANYTHING OUT OF THAT PLACE.
I WASN'T HAPPY TO GO IN THERE BEFORE EITHER.
SO IT'S PROBABLY WORTH MENTIONING ONE OF THE, UH, SIGN STANDARDS FOR THE MIXED USE DISTRICT IS THE MIXED USE DOES NOT PERMIT POLE SIGNS.
UH, SO I DID, UH, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JACK IN THE BOX, I HAD A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
UH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, HE CLAIMS THAT TEXDOT, YOU KNOW, TOOK HIS POLE SIGN AND HE WAS TALKING TO ME ABOUT BUILDING A NEW ONE AND THAT WOULD, YOU WERE TELLING HIM NO, I HAD TO TELL HIM NO.
AT THIS TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, POLE SIGNS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THAT DISTRICT.
WOULD YOU MIND HAVING A CHAT WITH HIM AGAIN? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO AGAIN, UH, UH, I DON'T REALLY WANNA KILL A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS, BUT I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BAYOU ALL THE WAY UP TO DES ROAD, WEST OF SPRUCE.
THAT SHOULD ALL BE AUTOCENTRIC, UH, COMMERCIAL RIGHT ON.
THE ONLY OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE FRONT THAT I KNOW OF IN THIS AREA THAT THIS WILL AFFECT, UH, IS THIS LOT NEXT TO CVS.
UH, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED A FEW TIMES, UH, WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO WANNA DEVELOP A CAR
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WASH AT THAT LOCATION AND MIXED USE DOES NOT PERMIT IT.AND SO I, I BELIEVE THE AUTOCENTRIC, UH, WOOD PERMIT IT, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE BEAT DOWN THAT WE TOOK FOR JJS, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE PERFECT PLACE TO PUT IT.
SO YOU SAID THE DES ROAD, DID YOU MEAN FIVE 17? UH, NO, NO.
ALL THE WAY UP TO DETS ROAD, WEST OF SPRUCE FROM THE BAYOU ALL THE WAY UP TO DETS ROAD.
I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND OH, IT'S ALREADY A COMMERCIAL.
SO WE COULD CLEAN UP THIS, THIS EASEMENT AND THIS BANK ON THE CORNER.
AND WHAT'S THAT LOT RIGHT THERE? THIS IS THE BANK AND SHIPLEY'S.
THAT'S CALLED SHIPLEY'S AND USED TO BE THE YEP, YEP.
THAT SHOULD ALL BE, AND THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION IF ANYBODY AGREES, DISAGREES.
I THINK THAT, UH, ANS LOT I WILL SAY FOR ALL OF OUR BENEFITS, IF YOU CAN SLIDE THIS TO THE, UH, WEST A LITTLE BIT.
UH, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING EAST.
SO ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF DE ROAD BETWEEN FIVE 17, UH, KIND OF TO PUT ALL OF US A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK.
AND, UH, THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE COMPLICATED AREAS IN OUR CITY.
AND I THINK, UH, KIND OF AGAIN, TO GIVE US ALL HOMEWORK, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO DRIVE AROUND THAT AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SEE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ODD SITUATIONS THERE AND SOME VERY TOUCHY SITUATIONS THERE TOO.
AND NOW WITH THAT, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, YEAH.
IT IS 6 21 AND I'M, I'M GOING TO CALL, UH, COMPLETION ON ITEM FOUR.
TRAVIS, ARE YOU IN, UH, CONCURRENCE WITH THAT? YES SIR.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE ARE WE CLEAR? IS THERE ANYTHING, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR.
UH, NEXT MEETING WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, THE CENTER OF THE CITY ESSENTIALLY.
UH, SO I'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND.
UH, IF Y DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, WILL THAT BE 45 TO HIGHWAY THREE? YES.
I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT LOUD AND PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE.
HE'S GONNA BLAME IT ON HIS WIFE, BUT, UH, WE BETTER GET SOMEBODY ELSE IN HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A QUORUM.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA MENTION IS I WILL, I WILL GIVE Y'ALL A CALL ON THURSDAY.
UH, 'CAUSE MS. FORTNER, UH, RELAYED TO ME TODAY THAT SHE WAS ILL.
SO HOPEFULLY SHE'S FEELING BETTER BY THURSDAY.
UH, AND MARJORIE HAD A CATERING EVENT, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHE'S GOT GOING ON THURSDAY, BUT, UH, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.
YOU, YOU REALIZE IT'S ALL ON YOU WILL.
YOU DIDN'T HEAR, BUT PHILLIPS SAID HE CAN'T, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE THURSDAY.
WE'LL JUST ANSWER ALL THAT QUESTION.
SO I DID, I DID DISCUSS WITH CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE IF, IF WE COULD HAVE A MEETING WITHOUT A QUORUM, UH, AND THE, THE ANSWER WAS NO.
IF IT WAS A ONE-SIDED PRESENTATION ON STAFF SIDE, UH, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
BUT IF IT'S TWO-SIDED WE'RE DELIBERATING, UH, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM.
I WOULD, UH, REGARDLESS I WOULD FEEL BETTER WITH A QUORUM ANYWAY.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE HAS GOOD OPINIONS.
EVEN WHEN THEY DISAGREE WITH ME SOMETIMES THEY'RE BETTER THAN MINE.
SO, UH, THAT BEING SAID, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE OUT ITEM FOUR, ITEM FIVE, FUTURE
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AGENDA ITEMS. AND THE BIG EMPHASIS ON THIS ONE HERE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TRAVIS IS US TO DISCUSS JANUARY.I I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS JANUARY'S MEETINGS.
UH, I THINK Y'ALL GOT MY EMAIL ABOUT OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING THIS MONTH BEING CANCELED, UH, DUE TO CONFLICTS.
UH, SO I DID HAVE ONE ITEM ON THAT AGENDA.
UH, A GENTLEMAN LOOKING TO REZONE HIS PROPERTY.
UH, SO IN MY DISCUSSION WITH HIM, I, I ASKED IF HE WOULD, IF IT WOULD BENEFIT HIM TO HAVE A SPECIALLY SCHEDULED MEETING IN JANUARY.
AND SO THAT WAS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT JANUARY 6TH.
IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, MOST OF YOU ARE AVAILABLE, AT LEAST WHAT WE GET A QUORUM.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE THAT JANUARY 6TH MEETING WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVAL.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN DISCUSS IF WE WOULD LIKE TO STILL HAVE THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IN JANUARY.
UH, IF THAT WANTED TO BE A WORKSHOP MEETING OR, OR WHAT HAVE IT KIND OF LEAVE THAT UP TO Y'ALL.
SO WE'RE YOU, WE WILL HAVE A QUORUM ON JANUARY THE SIXTH.
YOU STILL PLAN ON HOLDING THAT MEETING? YES SIR.
WHAT DAY IS, WHAT DAY IS JANUARY THE SHIFT? IT IT IS TUESDAY.
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WE'LL STILL HAVE TUESDAY THE SECOND AND THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.'CAUSE THE THIRD IS OUR NORMAL, RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD FALL ON, UH, THE 20TH OF JANUARY.
UH, TWO WEEKS AFTER THE SIXTH.
UH, SO WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A REGULAR MEETING ON THE SIXTH AND KNOCK EVERYTHING OUT THEN, OR WE CAN HAVE, UH, BOTH.
I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO EITHER ONE.
BUT IF WE CAN GET A QUORUM, IT'S POSSIBLE.
YOU STILL WANNA MEET AT SIX OR SIX 30? UH, WE COULD DO SIX 30.
UH, UNLESS Y'ALL WANT DIFFERENT, IT IS A SPECIAL MEETING.
SO WE, WE CAN DECIDE THE TIME.
WHAT THE HELL, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS THING? ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE NOT MEETING THURSDAY.
I CAN PUT, TAKE THAT OFF MY CALENDAR.
THE 11TH, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE ONLY WAY WE COULD IS IF MARJORIE AND, UH, DEBORAH.
DEBORAH CRIMINI BOTH HERE? YEAH.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE A QUORUM BETWEEN THE FOUR OF US.
YEAH, LET, LET'S NOT CALL IT OFF YET.
UH, I, I DIDN'T SPEAK WITH 'EM ABOUT THURSDAY.
UH, I ONLY MENTIONED IT TO 'EM ABOUT TODAY.
UH, SO I CAN CALL 'EM EITHER TOMORROW OR THURSDAY AND, AND FEEL 'EM OUT AND SEE IF THEY'D BE ABLE TO ATTEND AND, AND I CAN LET Y'ALL KNOW.
WE FIGURE OUT SHOWING UP AT SIX 30.
I'LL BE HERE AT SIX 30 ON FIRST.
I REALLY LIKE PHIL, BUT, UH, WILL'S LIKE, MAN, YOU'RE MY NEIGHBOR.
SO WE'RE GOOD ON THAT, TRAVIS.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'LL BE HERE ON THE 11TH AND WE'LL BE HERE ON THE 6TH OF JANUARY.
UH, AND THEN WE DID, WE DECIDE ON THE 20TH? Y'ALL STILL WANNA HAVE THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING? I THINK SO.
UH, WITH THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY CONCERNS? ARE WE GONNA ADD? UM, SAY IF WE CAN'T, ARE WE GONNA, ON THE SIXTH WE'RE GONNA ADD ESSENTIALLY ANOTHER KIND OF WORKSHOP IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO ABSOLUTELY.
WELL, THAT, THAT'LL BE OUR THIRD ONE.
WELL, IT MIGHT BE OUR SECOND ONE.
DEPENDING ON HOW THURSDAY GOES.
AND UH, AND I REALLY KIND OF, I MEAN, SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY HERE, I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET THIS WRAPPED UP QUICKLY.
'CAUSE AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, TRAVIS, YOU ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF DROPPED A BOMB ON US.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PROPERTIES THAT CAN'T BUY THESE PROPERTIES OR WON'T BUY THESE PROPERTIES.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO OPEN BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE LIMITATIONS AND, AND REQUIREMENTS TO THAT ARE IMPRACTICAL.
AND SO THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU JUST CONVERSATIONALLY MENTIONED THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE HUGE IMPACTS TO PEOPLE'S LIVES.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET THIS DONE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
THAT WAY WE CAN BLAME KEVIN WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.