I THINK. ALRIGHT. WOW. THAT HURT. IT'S NOW 631. [1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM] [00:00:09] WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. YOU WANT TO RUN A QUORUM, PLEASE? YES. CERTIFICATION OF QUORUM. BRUCE HENDERSON HERE, SIR. DEBORAH FAULKNER HERE. HERE. WILLIAM BROWN HERE. MARJORIE MORGAN HERE. JOHN HARRIS HERE. OKAY WE WILL DO THE INVOCATION, BUT I'M GOING TO SKIP THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A FLAG IN HERE. IT SEEMS KIND OF INAPPROPRIATE, I GUESS, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD FOR THAT. GOTCHA. MISS DEBORAH, WOULD YOU PREFER TO DO THE INVOCATION, MA'AM? YES. YOU'RE THE BEST ONE HERE FOR DOING IT. I HAVE A COMMENT. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST PRAISE YOUR NAME. IT'S ALWAYS JUST SUCH A PLEASURE TO MEET AS A COMMUNITY. AND WE JUST THANK YOU FOR STRENGTHENING OUR DECISIONS AND AND HELPING US WITH WISDOM. LORD, JUST WATCH OVER ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT STAND GUARD ALL OVER THE WORLD TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THIS. IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME WE ASK. AMEN. AMEN. ALRIGHT, WE'LL JUMP STRAIGHT TO ITEM THREE, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATION [3. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS] THREE A BOARD COMMENTS. MR. PHIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, SIR? OH, NOT. NOT BESIDES WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA? ALRIGHT, JOHN. I HAVE A FEW THINGS, BUT I THINK I'LL KEEP IT TO MYSELF. GO AHEAD. NO, I HAVE NOTHING. I'M GOOD. I'M EXCITED TO DO THIS. ALRIGHT, WELL, THAT'S ABOUT AS EASY AS IT GETS. BUILDING OFFICIAL UPDATES, SIR. GOOD DEAL. NOTHING BIG FOR ME. I DO WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT. DO NOTE THAT WE ARE IN A ALTERNATE MEETING ROOM. SO IF YOU COULD ALL PLEASE SPEAK CLEARLY AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU'RE DOING PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED FOR TAKING THE MINUTES LATER. THAT'S ALL I GOT. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENTS. [4. PUBLIC COMMENTS] DO I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET? I DO NOT. ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? AND TO CLARIFY, THAT IS JUST PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL SCREW SLIDE RIGHT PAST THAT ONE. [5. CONSENT AGENDA] CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSIDERED ROUTINE WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSION MEMBER REQUESTS WHICH EVENT. THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. A CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING HELD OCTOBER 21ST, 2025. I MOVE TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S NOT THE. WORKSHOP MEETING WE HAD, RIGHT? NO, SIR. OKAY. I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIED. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I CAN'T TEXT AND TRY TO MULTITASK AT THE SAME TIME. [6. OLD BUSINESS] OLD BUSINESS. DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, SIR? THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS TODAY. OKAY. I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION. NOTHING FROM A WORKSHOP CARRIES OVER INTO TONIGHT OTHER THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON IN ADDITION TO IT. CORRECT? CORRECT. TONIGHT WILL ONLY BE ACTUAL BUSINESS ACTION FROM IT OR ANYTHING. NOT CORRECT. NOTHING FROM THE WORKSHOP MEETING. THERE ARE A COUPLE ITEMS IN THERE FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE UDC, HOWEVER, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE PREVIOUS TO THE WORKSHOP MEETING. OKAY. BUT THEY'LL FALL IN THE CATEGORY OF NEW BUSINESS AT THAT POINT. CORRECT? WELL, ALL THE CHANGES WE MADE. PRODUCTION. YEAH. THOSE SHOULD BE IN THE NEW BUSINESS. CARRYOVER. RIGHT. NOT YET, NOT YET, NOT YET. RIGHT. NOT. NOT AT THIS MEETING. THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME, NOTICE WISE, FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH. ALRIGHT, LET'S SLIDE OVER TO ITEM SEVEN. [7. NEW BUSINESS] NEW BUSINESS SEVEN A CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING REQUEST TO APPROVE HUGHES LANDING. PRELIMINARY PLAT BEING APPROXIMATELY 36.28 ACRES. GENERALLY LOCATED HUGHES ROAD AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 11 A FARMER SURROUNDING TRACT 1-1 36.3 ACRES. ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT THE FLOOR, SIR. SO, AS YOU STATED, THIS IS A PLAT FOR 36 ACRES. IT IS TIED TO AN APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT. PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT MEETS ALL OUR OUR REGULATIONS. THIS IS A THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS AS SUBMITTED. THE ONLY COMMENT THAT STAFF HAS BESIDES APPROVAL. AS WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THE CONDITION OF CLARIFYING ON THE PLAT. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DETENTION PONDS? [00:05:03] KIND OF HOW IT IS WRITTEN. THE CITY IS GRANTED THESE PARKLANDS AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT'S WRITTEN. IT STATES ALL OF RESERVE SEAT. SO RESERVE SEAT ALSO CONTAINS THE DETENTION PONDS. SO WE JUST WANT LANGUAGE THAT CLARIFIES, HEY, THE HOA OR POA IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING DETENTION PONDS. THE PARK IS GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY AND THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN THE PARK, BUT NOT RETENTION PONDS IN THE PARK. SO. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? CAN WE APPROVE THIS PLAN THIS BEFORE? SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU'RE SEEING THIS AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT. WE DID HAVE IT ON AN AGENDA IN JANUARY, THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR FOR CONSIDERATION. HOWEVER, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE DATES THAT WE HAD A SEVERE WEATHER EVENT, SO WE ACTUALLY HAD TO CANCEL THAT MEETING DUE TO WEATHER. AND AND SO THE SHOT CLOCK FOR THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT EXPIRED AFTER 30 DAYS. STATE LAW SAYS IT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. SO AT THAT TIME, THE PLOT WAS AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. I GUESS YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING HOW WE GOT TO THIS SPOT NOW WE'RE CONSIDERING A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL. A PLAT APPROVAL FOR A SECOND TIME. THE REASON FOR THAT IS, SINCE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED THE LAYOUT AND THE LAND PLAN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CHANGED. SO THEY'RE READY TO SUBMIT FINAL PLAT FOR US TO APPROVE FINAL PLAT, IT HAS TO SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM TO THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT. SO IN THIS CASE, WE DEEM THAT IT DID NOT. AND SO WE HAD TO TAKE IT BACK TO PNC TO, TO TO REVISE THE PLOT. WHAT WERE THE CHANGES? US. THE CHANGES WERE. THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF LOTS DUE TO REQUIREMENTS FROM THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT. THEY WENT THROUGH A BUNCH OF ENGINEERING WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BASICALLY PUSH THE LOTS AWAY FROM THE BAYOU. AND SO IN DOING THAT, THEY ADDED A RETENTION POND. AND AND THAT WAS THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT ADDED PARK SPACE AND THEY ADDED THE POND TOOK OUT LOTS AND TOOK OUT THE LOTS. HOW MANY? 13. AND THEN THERE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS TWO WAYS. IN AND OUT. RIGHT. STILL HAVE THAT? YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. THAT'S CONNECTING THAT ROAD. YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? YES, ABSOLUTELY. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT. I'M DANIEL BLANCO. I LIVE AT 3869 WATER STREET. I'M THE APPLICANT FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. SO WE THE PLAT, THE THE PREVIOUS PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED WAS 123 LOTS WE'VE REPLACED 13 LOTS, APPROXIMATELY 13 LOTS WORTH OF LAND WITH A DETENTION POND. STREET CONFIGURATION STAYED THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH STAYED THE SAME. ACCESS EASEMENT STAYED THE SAME. DETENTION VOLUME HAS INCREASED LOT SIZE, LOT YIELD HAS GONE DOWN AS THE OVERALL. I SEEM TO RECALL THIS THING. MAN, WASN'T THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO? DANIEL? YES, SIR. AND AT THAT POINT, WASN'T THIS GOING TO BE A RENTAL COMMUNITY? YES. WE AT ONE POINT WE HAD 250 UNITS. WE HAD A PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A HIGH DENSITY LIKE 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO, WASN'T IT? YES. AND THEN WE WE'VE SINCE WE HAD A WE REZONED IT TO A NEW PD FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. AND WE CREATED A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OVER IT TO FINANCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. OKAY. TRAVIS, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS THIS BECAUSE THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST NOR THE LAST TIME WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION TALKING ABOUT PLANNING. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WITH THESE PLANNINGS AND I QUESTION WHY THEY ARE ACTUALLY COME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BECAUSE THEY'RE APPROVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AREN'T THEY? WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION RELATIVE TO THE NO, THE ANSWER IS NO. IF IT DOES NOT MEET OUR REGULATIONS, THEN WE CAN HAVE LEGAL GROUNDS TO DENY IT. AND SO TYPICALLY, WHEN WE DO BRING A PLAT TO Y'ALL, IT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH REVIEW WITH STAFF FOR, YOU KNOW, ALMOST MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AT THAT POINT. SO IF IT DOESN'T, WHEN THEY INITIALLY SUBMIT, WE GET THEM TO THAT POINT AND THEN WE BRING IT TO THE TO THE MEETING. BUT JUST LIKE THE ONE WE HAD LAST TIME, WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE QUALIFICATIONS TO IT OR CONDITIONS. THOSE WERE ONLY WHAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR? NO, WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T. THOSE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS. NO, THEY WEREN'T AS THEY WERE MORE SO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FOR PROCESSES THAT WE ALREADY DO. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE, WE ASK FOR IN THE LAST ONE THAT IS ALREADY DONE, BUT NOT AT PRELIMINARY PLAT STAGES. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I WAS BRINGING IT UP, IS THE POINT THAT THOSE WERE ACTUALLY JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. [00:10:01] THOSE WERE NOT MANDATORY. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO ANY OF THEM. WE PRESENTED THEM AS RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I DON'T EVEN THINK COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEM AS MANDATORY, DO THEY? PRELIMINARY PLAT DOESN'T EVEN GO TO COUNCIL. IT'S ONLY THE APPROVAL AND FINAL PLAT IS ONLY APPROVED TO YOUR. WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THAT THEY WEREN'T RECOMMENDATIONS. WHAT THEY WERE IS JUST BASICALLY ISOLATING THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, JUST KIND OF PUTTING A WHAT THE BOARD KIND OF WANTED TO DO WAS PUT CONDITIONS ON THE PLAT. AND THAT WAS KIND OF OUR DISCUSSION IS THAT YOU CANNOT CONDITION, YOU CANNOT GIVE PLAT APPROVAL CONDITIONALLY. IT'S EITHER APPROVED OR NOT. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT LIKE A VARIANCE WHEN YOU CAN DO STIPULATIONS. AND LIKE I SAID, ALL THINGS BEING FAIR AND EQUAL. AND AGAIN, JUST THE RIGHT LANGUAGE I GUESS IS THEY ARE TRULY RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S NOT A MANDATE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MODIFY THE PLAN AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. IT'S EITHER APPROVED OR DENIED. AND IF YOU DENY IT, THEN IT HAS. YOU HAVE TO CITE THE SPECIFIC LAWS THAT STATE THAT IT'S IN VIOLATION. AND THAT'S WHY AGAIN, THIS ONE, THERE'S NO ISSUES. I'M NOT TRYING TO STIR THIS UP. I'M JUST KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT THIS BOARD REMEMBERS THAT THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS MANY TIMES AGAIN, PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS WHEN PLANTS COME BEFORE US. THERE IS ACCEPT OR REJECT, AND THE ONLY REJECT CAN BE IN ONLY BECAUSE OF LEGAL VIOLATIONS. WE HAD A WHOLE. THE POINT I'M GETTING TO TO MAKE SURE WE NEVER FORGET THIS AGAIN, IS A WHOLE ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY TICKED OFF ABOUT SOMETHING, AND IN THE END, IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING. IT REALLY DIDN'T. AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU, TRAVIS. IT WAS JUST A FACT OF THE MATTER, FOLKS. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE A SINGLE THING. ACCORDING TO STATE LAW. CORRECT. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH. STATE LAW SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A P AND Z, WHICH WE DO. THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO APPROVE PRELIMINARY PLATS, EVEN THOUGH FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THEY'RE ALREADY APPROVED BECAUSE THEY WON'T COME TO US BEFORE THEY'RE MEETING ALL LAWS. SO THEY COULD LIKE I SAID, IT HAS A 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK. SO FROM THE TIME THEY SUBMIT, THE TIME THAT WE EITHER APPROVE OR DENY, WE HAVE 30 DAYS. SO IF THEY STILL WANT TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND IT'S DENIED, THEN THE BOARD WILL DENY IT. BUT THERE HAS TO BE A REASON A LAW. NOT, NOT. I DON'T LIKE THIS OR THERE'S NO STIPULATIONS WE CAN PUT ON IT. IT CAN ONLY BE BY LAW REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S CORRECT FOR. I'VE GOT AN ISSUE WITH THIS PLAN. IT'S BEEN THIS WAY ALL ALONG. THE SECOND ENTRANCE. IT SHOWS ALMOST COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED. AND WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE, I THINK, THAT SAYS WE MUST HAVE TWO WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT OF A COMMUNITY. YES, SIR. AND THIS DOESN'T SHOW THAT IT SHOWS A LITTLE SLOT THERE THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. AND IT ALWAYS SAYS IT'S IN THE PLAN. IT'S IN THE PLAN, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DEFINITE SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S OPENED UP WHEN THE STREETS ARE PAVED IN THAT AREA, THAT, THAT, THAT LITTLE SLOT YOU'VE GOT THERE DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK QUALIFIES FOR A SECOND ENTRANCE. DOES THAT MAKE A TWO LANE ROAD GOING IN THERE? SO IF I MAY, MORE EXPLANATION ON IT. SO WE HAVE A BOULEVARD ENTRY OFF OF USED ROAD. THIS IS A SECONDARY ACCESS EASEMENT. THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS IS FROM A PRELIMINARY PLAT. ONCE WE HAVE AN APPROVED PLAT, AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE SETTING OUR RIGHT OF WAYS, WE'RE ESTABLISHING WHERE OUR LOCATIONS TO ENTER EGRESS AND INGRESS ARE GOING TO BE. THEN WE TAKE THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT AND WE GO THROUGH VERY DETAILED ENGINEERING DRAWINGS WHERE WE'VE ALREADY DONE ALL THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, HAD THOSE PLANS SCRUBBED BY THE CITY'S ENGINEER, HAD THEM SCRUBBED BY OUR ENGINEER, HAD THEM SCRUBBED BY OUTSIDE ENGINEER. SO THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. IT SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENT THAT'S BEING MADE THROUGH THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS EASEMENT THAT NORMALLY HAPPENS AFTER THE PLATS APPROVED. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE BACK HERE FOR A NEW PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WORK. CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT TRAVIS SECONDARY THING? SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'LL BE HOW WIDE IS IT? YES. IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. THAT'S PART OF YEAH, IT'S A PUBLIC IT'S A WILL TO BE BUILT. IT'S A PART OF OUR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS FOR THE HOUSES. ARE THERE GOING TO BE A STREET OR IN ORDER TO EVEN GET OUR PERMIT? HOW WIDE IS IT? I DO NOT HAVE THE WIDTH. IT'S A 28 FOOT PAVEMENT, BACK OF CURB TO BACK OF CURB. AND ARE YOU GOING TO PAVE THAT WHEN YOU DO THE STREETS? YES, SIR. IT'S AN EMERGENCY. IT'S PART OF OUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. THE CITY WILL NOT ACCEPT THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNTIL WE COMPLETE ALL OF OUR PLANS THAT COMPLIES WITH OUR ORDINANCE. IT DOES COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCE. YES, SIR. GATED CRASH GATE SYSTEM. FIRE AND POLICE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT. BUT IT'S ONLY FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS. SO IT'S ONLY FOR EMERGENCY? YES. RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO BE GATED WITH AN EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE. FIRE MARSHAL HAS APPROVED THAT. WE'VE HAMMERED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF A FIRE TRUCK. [00:15:08] SO THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. OKAY. SO DUMB QUESTION ON THIS. DO YOU HAVE TO EXTEND THAT INTO WHAT'S THE OTHER ROAD? I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF IT. CAMP ALLEN. YES, SIR. YOU HAVE TO DO THE EXTENSION INTO CAMP ALLEN. YES, SIR. WE HAVE WE WE'VE IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING AN ACCESS EASEMENT FROM THE CITY OF DICKINSON. AND INSIDE THAT EASEMENT AGREEMENT IS LANGUAGE THAT STATES THAT WE HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THAT. WE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO CONSTRUCT THAT ACCESS EASEMENT. IT'S ALREADY GOING OVER EXISTING CULVERTS, SO WE HAVE TO BEEF IT UP. WE'VE GOT TO PUT A NEW BASE THERE. WE'RE PUTTING ASPHALT ON THERE, PUTTING GUARDRAILS ON THERE. WE HAVE TO PUT LIGHTS THERE. SO WE'RE CONSTRUCTING THAT AS A PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS. OKAY. AND THEN WE WE THE DEVELOPMENT MAINTAINS IT. IT'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ACTUALLY MY NEXT QUESTION. GLAD TO HEAR THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? TIME FOR A MOTION. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE PLAT CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. IT WAS QUITE EASY. THE CONDITION IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. OH, YEAH. THE THE RECOMMENDATION OF WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE CLARIFYING THE LANGUAGE. YES. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE. YES, PLEASE. MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU NEED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. SHE CAN SAY AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. AND I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DANIEL. I JUST WANT TO SAY JUST I REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, ALL YOU DO TO WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE COMPLAINING BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO TO SET UP THIS. SO THANK YOU. THAT MEANS A LOT. AND I GOTTA GIVE YOU PROPS. LIKE I SAID, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO AND WE'RE STILL WORKING AT IT. WELL DONE SIR. THANK YOU SIR. ALWAYS HERE FOR QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN B CONSIDERATION. NO, ALL THESE THINGS. OKAY. SORRY, I THOUGHT YOUR CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 18, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON. CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING SECTION 1844 ENTITLED REGISTRATION OF NONCONFORMITIES. DO YOU EXPAND, SIR? INDEED. SO THIS WAS KIND OF INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL. THEY HAD CONCERNS WITH THE WAY OUR NONCONFORMING REGISTRATION WAS WRITTEN, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE FACT THAT IT REQUIRED REGISTRATION. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS. HOW THE EDC EXPLAINS FROM THE ADOPTION OF THE EDC. IT GIVES A ONE YEAR PERIOD FOR PEOPLE TO REGISTER THEIR NONCONFORMITIES. SO ARE WE ALL. SO THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT EXISTED AS FAR BACK AS 1990. IT'S BEEN THE SAME EVER SINCE THEN. WHY? IT'S A BIG ISSUE NOW. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND SO WHAT THEY HAD WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED IS THAT STAFF INITIATE TEXT AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT AND THE TIME FROM THIS REGISTRATION OF NONCONFORMING. SO WORKING WITH CITY ATTORNEY, THIS IS KIND OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE STRUCK AND ADDED A LITTLE BIT IN THERE TO BASICALLY ALLEVIATE THAT REGISTRATION ON HOMEOWNERS. SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THE NONCONFORMING REGISTRATION IS GOOD, RIGHT? IT PROVIDES A LEGAL DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT THEIR NONCONFORMING IS. AND SO THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, RUNNING DOWN THE LINE IF YOU HAVE NONCONFORMING SAY, STRUCTURE NOW 20 YEARS DOWN OR CONFORMING STRUCTURE NOW AND 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE IS NONCONFORMING. IT'S HARDER TO PROVE THAT 20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE THAN IT IS NOW IN THIS DAY. RIGHT? THE PROOF IS ALWAYS ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVE THAT LEGAL STATUS. SO THIS. SO IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION ON THAT, YOU OWN A HOUSE AND BECAUSE WE CHANGED ZONING, THE HOUSE IS NOW NON-CONFORMING. THAT'S STILL NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PERSON OWNS THE PROPERTY. IF THEY REGISTERED ON THE NONCONFORMITY. LOG ROLL. WHATEVER. WHAT'S IT CALLED? AND THEN IN TEN YEARS, THIS GUY DECIDES HE WANTS TO SELL HIS HOUSE. [00:20:03] DOES THE NEW DOES THE NONCONFORMITY GO TO THE NEW OWNER, OR DO THEY HAVE TO MEET CONFORMITY AT THAT POINT, THE NONCONFORMING REGISTRATION IS TIED TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE PROPERTY UNTIL THERE'S A MAJOR CHANGE, UNTIL IT'S REMOVED. MASSIVE 51% DESTRUCTION, I THINK. RIGHT. SO IF A HURRICANE COMES, THEY'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED. YEAH, I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME OF THAT DURING HARVEY, TOO. YEAH. WAIVED EVERYTHING I THINK AT THAT POINT. DID YOU SAY WE HAD A REQUIREMENT TO REGISTER NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY BACK IN 1990? YES. SO FROM MY RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, WE WE FOUND THE ORIGINAL CODE OF ORDINANCES FROM 1990. THE LANGUAGE FOR REGISTERING NONCONFORMITIES IS, IS PRETTY MUCH VERBATIM TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND ACTUALLY WHAT'S IN THE UDC IS VERBATIM WHAT WAS IN MUNICODE PRIOR TO THE UDC. THAT WAS IN MUNICODE BACK IN. YES, SIR. IT'S NEWS TO ME. BUT THE STANDARDS CHANGED. THE ZONING CHANGE? YES, MA'AM. AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS? EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED EXCEPT FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS AND THE PROPERTY. TREES. THIS TREE, THAT TREE. YEAH. I'LL MESS AROUND WITH THIS STUFF FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS. AND I'M ALWAYS LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY AGREED TO 20 YEARS AGO. AND NOW IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. SOMEHOW IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM NOW. CUT AND DRY. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS. AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF HISTORICAL LANGUAGE THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ENFORCED IT OTHER THAN TO SAY, AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY PUTS THEIR HOUSE ON THIS REGISTRY, THEY WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THEY GO TO SELL IT IN TEN, 15 YEARS. AND TO ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT YOU KNOW, UP UNTIL THE DAY THAT WE ADOPTED UDC, WE WERE DOING NON-CONFORMING REGISTRATIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCES, WHICH ALSO CONTAIN THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE ONE YEAR TO DO IT. YOU'RE DOING IT 20, 30 YEARS LATER. I WOULD ASK HOW IT BENEFITS THE HOMEOWNER TO, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IN DICKINSON EVEN HAVE AN INKLING OF A CLUE THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OR NON-CONFORMING? I BOUGHT MY HOUSE 20 YEARS AGO. WE'VE CHANGED FIVE DIFFERENT UDCS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT CODES, AND I STILL WOKE UP EVERY DAY AND DRANK MY COFFEE AND WENT TO WORK. WHEN YOU PULL A PERMIT AND THEN I. YEAH, FORTUNATELY, THAT'S THAT'S MOST LIKELY. THE TIMES THAT IT COMES AHEAD IS IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE YOUR PROPERTY AND HAVE TO ENGAGE THE CITY FOR THAT IF THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED ON HERE. AND LIKE I SAID, I OWN MY HOUSE FOR 20 YEARS. WE'VE CHANGED 17 TIMES. I NEVER HAD A CLUE, NEVER PULLED A PERMIT, NEVER ASKED A QUESTION. NOW I GO TO SELL MY HOUSE AND MY HOUSE IS NON-CONFORMING. IS IT A PROBLEM? NO, NOT NECESSARILY EXISTING, NON-CONFORMING. THERE'S THERE'S NO ISSUE AND THERE'S NO POINT. SOMEBODY GOES WHEN NON-CONFORMING. I MEAN, IF YOUR HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE, BURNS TO THE GROUND AND YOU'RE NON-CONFORMING. YEAH. THEN YOU GOT A PROBLEM. THAT'S A PROBLEM. CORRECT? CAN THE AVERAGE CITIZEN WOULD HAVE NO CLUE THAT THERE WERE NON-CONFORMING. THEY WERE NOT. WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THERE ARE MANY TYPES OF NONCONFORMITIES. THERE'S NON-CONFORMING USES, THERE'S NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES. AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPE OF BUILDING IT COULD BE NON-CONFORMING SETBACK. AND IT'S TOO CLOSE TO A PROPERTY LINE. SO IF IT BURNS DOWN AND YOU REDEVELOP IT. IT WOULD JUST NEED TO CONFORM TO THE CORRECT SETBACK. SO IF A HOUSE BURNS DOWN 51% AND THE STAFF DETERMINES IT'S NON-CONFORMING, WE CAN'T LET YOU BUILD IT BACK. THEY CAN STILL GO TO THE BOARD OF VARIANCE, CAN'T THEY? AND ASK FOR AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. IS THAT THE WAY THAT IS THERE IS GOT TO BE A PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL IT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS, IS THERE'S MANY TYPES OF NON-CONFORMING. SO THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT IN YOUR DEFENSE. ACTUALLY, THERE'S A THOUSAND DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. SOME OF THEM ARE LEGIT. AND YOU GO, NO, DUDE, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT BACK THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SOME. WELL, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE WE CAN'T. AND MAYBE YOUR HANDS ARE TIED BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE. BUT THERE'S SEEMS LIKE EVERY CITIZEN IN THE CITY SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO SOME EFFECT. AND EVEN IF THE APPEAL IF YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, I BELIEVE EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, YOU CAN STILL APPEAL TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT. YEAH, THERE IS A CHANCE. THE FINAL WORD AFTER THAT. OH COUNTY COURTS AFTER THAT, BUT. OF COURSE, I GUESS. AND MAYBE WE'RE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE AND I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT EVEN WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT, THAT BOARD OF BOARD OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, THE LANGUAGE EVEN IN THIS WHERE A NON, A NON CONFORMING PROPERTY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. [00:25:07] APPEAL. APPEAL. YEAH. ARE THEY ASKING NOW TO GET RID OF THE YEAR DEAL. WHAT DEAL OF THE YEAR REQUIREMENT AT THIS TIME. I'M TRYING TO GET US BACK TO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT THIS TIME. THE REQUEST IS REMOVING THE REQUIRED PORTION AND REMOVING THE TIME PERIOD. OKAY. DO YOU DO? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET BACK TO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. SO I'M KIND OF DOWN IN THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION. I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH LEGAL ON THAT. OKAY. IT ALSO SHOWS THAT IT IS THEY'RE STRIKING OUT. IT'S UNLAWFUL. LIKE YOU'RE KNOWINGLY DOING IT. YEAH. INSTEAD OF IT SHALL BE DEEMED UNLAWFUL. IT SAYS IT MAY BE FOUND IN VIOLATION. AND SO THE MAY IS IF YOU PROVIDE US THE DOCUMENTATION, THEN. THE KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE THE OLD VERBIAGE WAS YOU WERE KNOWINGLY DOING IT. TOOK THAT OUT. YEP. OKAY. OF COURSE, THE NEW ZONING MAP HAS CREATED A LOT MORE NON-CONFORMING PROPERTIES THAN WE EVER HAD BEFORE. CORRECT. AND AND IT MIGHT FOR US. NOW YOU'LL LOOK THE OTHER WAY OR PUT IT IN. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TEN YEARS DOES. THE CITY IS GOING TO BE HERE. YEAH. SO YEAH, THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT. ALRIGHT, SO WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? SO I WAS SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON THIS OR. YEAH. OR JUST PUT IN WITH CONDITIONS THAT IT SAYS THIS IS CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THESE CHANGES, TO MOVE THEM FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. I'M SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND. THAT WAS HER MOTION. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ITEM SEVEN. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND. CHAPTER 18 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY. CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING SECTION 18 7.4 ENTITLED URBAN TRANSITION UT AND THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE IN SECTION 1812. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TWO MEETINGS AGO, RIGHT? ADDING THE CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOMES AND PATIO HOMES TO THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE ESSENTIALLY COPIED THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT'S A DISTRICT THAT WAS DESIGNED TO TO BE IN EXISTING, ALREADY BUILT OUT NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FLEXIBLE, KEEP THE CHARACTER, NEIGHBORHOOD, ETC., ETC.. SO I THINK THAT WILL FIT WELL IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE URBAN TRANSITION ARE ARE MOSTLY DEVELOPED ALREADY. SO I THINK THAT WOULD FIT BEST FOR THAT. YOU NOTICE THE DENSITY FOR DETACHED IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT IT REFLECTS. SO THIS IS THE SAME DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THIS BLUE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT. AND THIS IS THE CONSOLIDATED UNIT AT THE TOP OF THE LEGEND. THE ALL IMPORTANT LEGEND. IF YOU'LL NOTICE, WE HAVE ADDED IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT. IT WOULD ALLOW THE CONVENTIONAL DETACHED AND PATIO HOMES WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. A PERMIT THAT HAS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. SO IF YOU COME TO THE CITY AND WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE IN THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT, THE PROCESS WOULD BE YOU SUBMIT FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THEY COME TO YOU GUYS FIRST FOR A RECOMMENDATION. THEN THEY GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. IS THAT IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT AT FIRST IT DIDN'T ALLOW THEM AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. YEAH. SO NOW WE'RE SAYING. BUT WE REQUIRE A. WELL, I MEAN, THEY GOTTA HAVE A PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION ANYWAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. THEY WOULD GET A BUILDING PERMIT. BUT BEFORE I CAN ISSUE THE BUILDING PERMIT, THEY'D BE REQUIRED TO GET THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT HAS TO GO THROUGH US AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH. IN OTHER WORDS, SIX WEEKS TO THEIR CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE BECAUSE WE'RE FILING. THERE'S A REASON FOR IT, THOUGH, BRUCE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST YEAH, THERE'S A FILING FEE ALSO. YEAH. I MEAN, NOT KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, LOOKING AT THE MAP. WHAT DO WE SAY? I'M MAKING UP THIS NUMBER WHEN I SAY 90, 95% OF THESE ARE IN SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISIONS ANYWAY. SO YOU HAVE AN EMPTY LOT IN IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE. AND HE GOES THROUGH ALL THE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF ENGINEERING AND GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT. WE'RE GOING TO TAX SIX MORE WEEKS OF CONSTRUCTION TO HIS PROJECT BECAUSE HE'S GOT TO GET A PERMIT TO HE DOESN'T GET THE PERMIT BEFORE HE COMES IN FRONT OF US. [00:30:02] RIGHT? CORRECT. SO HE DOESN'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS BEFORE THAT. AND THERE'S A THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT IS, IS THAT THERE'S SOME DISCERNIBLE REASONS FOR HAVING A UTI, YOU KNOW. SO HOW MUCH DOES IT COST FOR HIM TO COME IN FRONT OF US? I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THIS. I JUST HAVE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE BOTTOM LINE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT A DUPLEX OR A QUADPLEX OR A MULTIFAMILY IN THERE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. YOU DO. AND AGAIN, 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS DECISION ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A SUBDIVISION. THERE YOU ARE. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE ARE SEVERAL SUBDIVISION, SEVERAL AREAS THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD ONLY HAVE IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, 90% OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED. SO THAT 10% OF THE PEOPLE AREN'T. SO THE THE WHOLE IDEA IS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW. SO I MEAN, THE UTI, WE'VE HAD TROUBLE WITH THE URBAN TRANSITION DEAL, AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT IN BEFORE WE CHANGED IT TO SAY THAT IT WAS ALSO INCLUDED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. AND THAT IS TRUE. BUT IN MY OPINION, WE DON'T WANT THIS. AND I KNOW WE DON'T USE THE WORD SUP ANYMORE. BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS URBAN TRANSITION, YOU GOT TO GET AN SUP. I SAYING ALLOWING YOU TO BUILD ONE BEFORE YOUR CONSTRUCTION, BEFORE YOUR BUILDING PERMITS, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. YOU GOT TO GET PERMISSION. WHICH AGAIN, MY THING KEEPS GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SIX WEEK PROCESS AT BEST, AND IT COSTS 500, BUT YOU GUYS 900 $900. BUT HERE'S THE DRILL. I MEAN, WE HAVE ZONING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE DEAL WE HAVE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PUT A DUPLEX THERE. YEAH, BUT YOU CAN'T. BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS. I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'S. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT UBTI IS. IT'S THE IDEA IS INITIALLY WAS TO HAVE MORE DENSITY. CORRECT. AND SO WE TOOK EXCEPTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE THE OTHER. AND AND SO WE INDICATED THAT LET'S MAKE AVAILABILITY FOR SINGLE HOMES. AND THEN SOMEBODY SAID PATTY HOLMES. SO THAT'S WHY THE CONDITIONAL USE IS BECAUSE IT'S IN A NONCONFORMING AREA. BUT WE'RE DOING IT. WELL, BY BY OUR DICTATION, IT'S NOT CONFORMING. OKAY. AND I GO, I SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN PUT A DUPLEX IN THERE, YOU CAN PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE. I AGREE WITH THAT HALF CIRCLE. COUNCIL WHAT'S THE HALF CIRCLE AGAIN? THE HALF CIRCLE IS A LIMITED USE PERMIT. SO THAT IS APPROVED BY ADMINISTRATION. SO TO HAVE A LIMITED USE PERMIT WE WOULD HAVE TO SET THRESHOLDS TO TRIGGER THAT. LIKE I WOULD BE MORE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT THE THING THAT I DIE ON IN THIS AND I'VE HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT, AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT DANIEL'S HAD TO GO THROUGH THE STATE LAWS REQUIRING NOTIFICATIONS OF EVENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF US CAN ACTUALLY MAKE MEETINGS CAN DRAG OUT AN OPERATION FOR MONTHS. AND I'VE BEEN EXPERIENCED WITH THAT. I'VE HAD TO JACK AROUND FOR FOUR MONTHS TO TRY TO GET A ZONING ADJUSTED IN ANOTHER CITY. I'M NOT SAYING WITH US, BUT IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF HOW IT WORKS. IF YOU'VE GOT TO GET APPROVAL THROUGH A STAFF, THROUGH A BOARD, AND IT'S IT'S A TIME CONSUMING EVENT, IF THINGS GO PERFECT, IT'S STILL A TIME CONSUMING EVENT. AND IF SOMEBODY'S WANTING TO BUILD THEIR HOME, I BOUGHT A LOT. I'M DEDICATED. MY WIFE IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT. CAN'T WAIT TO BREAK GROUND. TAKE A DEEP BREATH. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR 6 TO 8 WEEKS, BECAUSE I HOPE THE BOARD OF PLANNING AND ZONING CAN ALL GET TOGETHER FOR A QUORUM. UNFORTUNATELY, NOT WITH US, THANK GOODNESS. BUT THERE HAS BEEN. HISTORICALLY. I'VE SEEN IT TOO MANY TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE COULDN'T GET ANYBODY. SO IT'S DELAYED ANOTHER TWO WEEKS BECAUSE WE GOT TO HAVE THE TIME FOR THE NOTICE AGAIN. IT HAPPENED A LOT, AND I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY HAVING TO PAY 900 BUCKS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST NO OFFENSE TO YOU GUYS. NO OFFENSE TO THE CITY, BUT THAT'S JUST GOING INTO THE COFFERS THAT I'M GOING, DUDE, THIS GUY'S ALREADY PAYING HIS TAXES. HE SHOULDN'T BE HIT TWICE. SO I'M GOING TO SAY MY PIECE THAT I WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT BEING A HALF CIRCLE, BEING THAT STAFF HAS THE RIGHT TO USE COMMON SENSE AND DETERMINE IF IT'S IF IT'S ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. SEE THE PATIO HOME JUST FOR THE FACT OF WHAT IT IS AND WHERE THE EASEMENT IS AND WHERE WHERE IT'S PLATTED. [00:35:06] YEAH, BUT THE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENT? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DIFFERENCE FOR THE DETACHED AND THE DETACHED HOME IS. SO THE ATTACHED ARE KIND OF LIKE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS ROW HOUSES. THEY'RE ALL ATTACHED TO EACH OTHER. THEY'RE ON SEPARATE PARCELS LIKE TOWNHOMES. IT'S LIKE A TOWNHOME. YES. THOSE ARE ALREADY ACCEPTED. RIGHT. THEY'RE ON THE LIST. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE DO DO THE LIMITED USE STANDARDS, IT'S NOT. WHAT WE USE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A JUDGMENT PERMIT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HEY, YOU CHECK THESE BOXES AND YOU'RE APPROVED. SO IF WE DO GO THAT ROUTE, WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT THOSE BOXES ARE GOING TO BE. RIGHT. SO ESSENTIALLY IF I WANT TO ON A REGULAR HOME IN THAT I THINK IT IS IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE URBAN. THE URBAN. YEAH. THE WHERE EVERYTHING KIND OF STAYS THE SAME. LIKE IF I WANT TO BUILD A HOME IN AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN I HAVE TO CONFORM WHATEVER'S THEIR NATURE CONSERVATION DISTRICT. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S THAT'S A FULL CIRCLE, RIGHT? SO WITH THE DETACHED HOME ON THIS ONE, I BELIEVE IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING. IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE A HALF CIRCLE. OKAY. I'M JUST BECAUSE IN REALITY, IF THEY WANT TO COME BEFORE FOR YOU TO GET THAT APPROVAL, YOU ALREADY YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE ESSENTIALLY THE SNIFF TEST. IF IT'S GOING TO EVEN GO THROUGH IT, IT'S GOING TO MATCH, IT'S GOING TO EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S NEXT TO IT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TRAILER HOME NEXT TO A FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE, RIGHT? YOU'VE ALREADY YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT DUE DILIGENCE, SANTA FE. I, I GREW UP NEXT TO A SINGLE TRAILER. YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT BEFORE YOU EVEN PULLED A PERMIT. YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT DUE DILIGENCE. WHY? WHY KIND OF LABOR? THE THEM COMING TO SEE US AND THEN JUST THE EXTENSION. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN CITY COUNCIL RIGHT. RECOMMENDATION. YEAH, THAT IS TRUE. SO GOING WITH THE HALF CIRCLE, HOW DO YOU WORD THAT AND IN COMPLIANCE. NO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I BECAUSE I ENTERTAIN THAT AS WELL. IF I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND ALLOWING THEM BY A LIMITED USE PERMIT, I NEED TO TELL Y'ALL WHAT THOSE STANDARDS WOULD BE. AND SO SO WE HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH THAT TO FIT INTO SOMETHING. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THOUGH. I MEAN, WE GOT THE CIRCLE TABLE HERE, WHATEVER WE CALLED IT THE OTHER DAY. BUT THEN WHEN YOU SCROLL UP TO ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS RELATIVE TO CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME, YOU BROUGHT ALL THOSE INTO THE URBAN TRANSITION? YEAH. DIMENSION? YEAH. WHAT ELSE? I MEAN, OTHER THAN PUTTING THE THE CAVEAT AS, LIKE WILL WAS SAYING, BASICALLY MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE. WHAT WAS THE PHRASE THE DISTRICT IS CALLED. YOU JUST SAID IT. URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUT A CAVEAT IN THERE, SAYING THAT IT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AT THAT POINT? I MEAN, IT WILL BE GOING DOWN THE PIPELINE HERE. SO WHAT IS YOUR DEAL? YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO SAY THESE POINTS TO TO MAKE IF YOU WANT TO AS A LIMITED USE PERMIT, THERE NEEDS TO BE STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET BECAUSE IT'S IF YOU WANT IT TO BE A JUDGMENT CALL, THAT'S WHEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT IF YOU WANT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING JUDGMENT CALLS. SO IF YOU COME IN AND WE HAVE LIMITED USE PERMIT, THE ONLY STANDARD IS STAFF HAS TO APPROVE IT. AND I MIGHT LIKE MR. HENDERSON AND I MIGHT NOT LIKE YOU AND GIVE HIM HIS. YOU GOT THAT BACKWARDS FOR SURE. YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SOME BULLET STANDARDS. SO I TALKED ABOUT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE BLOCKS THAT, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE BLOCK IS ALREADY BUILT OUT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND WOULD BE ALLOWED. BUT THAT GETS REALLY TRICKY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHAT IF IT DOESN'T MEET THAT BY 5%? CAN YOU SAY ADD THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? WHY DON'T WE SPLIT? SPLIT IT. ADD THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT HAVE THE PATIO ADDITIONAL. THE PATIO, I THINK SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WOULD BE BUTTING UP TO OTHER HOUSES, BUTTING UP TO OTHER BUSINESSES. I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM ON THE PATIO HOME BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY SITUATIONAL SITUATION. I JUST USE THAT WORD TWICE IN THE SAME SENTENCE. SO BUT THE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. BUT I DON'T MIND THERE BEING SOME AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD WRITE IT TO MAKE IT LEGALLY INTELLIGENT, [00:40:03] BUT IT DOES GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE RESIDENTIAL. WELL COME ON MAN. CONSERVATION. CONSERVATION. THERE YOU GO. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS THAT WHEREVER YOU'RE BUILDING IT. BECAUSE, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE IN URBAN TRANSITION AND IT'S THE THE BLOCK ADJACENT TO ZIEGLER'S, OKAY. WELL, YOU CAN'T PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT MEETING THE RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATIVE, WHATEVER THAT WORD IS. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING ON THAT. IS THAT. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT IS CLOSING THE THE GAP? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE. CONDITIONAL USE PATIO HOME. AND BY RIGHT. DETACHED COMMISSIONER. DETACHED HOME. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? YES. THE DETACHED HOMES NEED TO MEET REQUIREMENTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATIVE. OH, I UNDERSTAND, SO I MEAN IT WILL THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED FOR COMMERCIAL DETACHED HOME. YEAH. WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT OF WHY HAVE AN URBAN TRANSITION? YES. I MEAN, NO, BUT I'M NOT PROMOTING THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT'S BEEN A HARD PARTICULAR ONE. I KNOW, BUT IF THERE'S A REASON FOR IT, I AND THAT'S THE QUESTION, IF THERE'S A REASON FOR IT, THEN WE SHOULDN'T JUST ABANDON IT. IF THERE'S A REASON FOR A FUTURE LOOKING, I BELIEVE IT'S THE ONLY ZONING THAT DOES ALLOW MULTIFAMILY, IS IT NOT? IT'S NOT THE ONLY IT DOES ALLOW MULTIFAMILY. YES. ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS THAT DO? HAVE MIXED USE AND DOWNTOWN DISTRICT BOTH ALLOW THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK ON THAT, I THINK THAT IS THE LOGIC BEHIND IT, THAT YOU CAN PUT A DUPLEX IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT AREN'T DOWNTOWN MIXED USE, AND I'M NOT TERRIBLY AGAINST IT, YOU KNOW. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES IT MAKES SENSE. THERE'S CERTAIN PLACES IT DOESN'T. NO, I TOTALLY I TOTALLY GET THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT TERMINOLOGY AND, AND SOME OF THE STUFF THAT GOES WITH IT IS FORWARD THINKING. AND SO I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE SOME OF THAT IN, IN OUR ZONING, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S NOT ZONING. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT DEALING WITH THE FUTURE. YEAH. THE THE ALTERNATIVE IS KIND OF LOOKING AT OUR MAP AND TAKING AWAY ABOUT 95% OF THE URBAN TRANSITION. THAT'S THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE. DELETE AGAIN. AND I SAY 95 NOT 100%. PERCENT. THERE'S GOING TO BE AREAS WHERE I GO, YEAH, I COULD SEE US PUTTING A DUPLEX OR QUAD PLEX THERE AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY. BUT I A LOT A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS URBAN TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE. AND THAT'S JUST OBVIOUSLY UNACCEPTABLE. AND WE HAVEN'T ADJUSTED IT YET. THE MAP. SO I THINK THIS TERMINOLOGY NEEDS TO BE IN THERE. AND ONCE WE GET OUR OUR ZONING TIGHTENED UP, MAYBE WE DO REVISIT IT IN A YEAR OR TWO AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS NEEDS TO STILL BE THIS WAY. CERTAINLY ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPTION. SO BY RIGHT FAMILY HOME AND BY LIMITED OR NO NOT LIMITED CONDITIONAL USE ADDITIONAL THAN THE PATIO. OKAY. GOTCHA. LET'S MAKE A MOTION. RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. YEAH. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE TO SAY WHAT IS IT? SO I SAID BY RIGHT SINGLE FAMILY WITH CONDITIONS. IS THE PATIO RIGHT IN URBAN TRANSITION MEETING EVERYTHING? YES YES YES. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIED. AND I KNOW WE JUST SAID MOTION CARRIED. I'LL GO. TRAVIS, ARE YOU GOOD AND CLEAR ON ALL THAT? THERE WAS A BIT OF CONVERSATION. YEAH. NO, THAT WAS GOOD. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PATIO HOME. AND BY RIGHT, CONDITIONAL DETACHED HOME IS PLANNING ZONING RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. HEY, GOOD SEEING YOU GUYS. TAKE CARE. BYE BYE. ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE GO TO ITEM SEVEN D CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FROM URBAN ZONING DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PARCEL OF LAND APPROXIMATELY 0.413 ACRES, LOCATED AT 3518 ELM DRIVE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBES THE ABSTRACT 19 PERRY AND AUSTIN SURROUNDING PART OF LOT 140 131 DICKINSON EDITION, [00:45:06] D 25% UT STAFF PRESENTATION. WE START THE HEARING AT 716 TASTIC. SO THIS IS A PROPERTY LOCATED ON A DEAD END STREET ELM DRIVE. WE BUILT OUT WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT IS ZONED OUR HOT TOPIC ZONING DISTRICT OF URBAN TRANSITION. IT'S AN AERIAL TOPOGRAPHIC COUPLE STREET SHOTS. MY PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN LOOKING GOOD FOR. SO THIS ONE YOU KNOW, WE HAD. WE'D ACTUALLY TAKEN THIS LOT IN FOR A ZONING MAP. AMENDMENT 2 OR 3 MEETINGS AGO. IF I RECALL THAT ONE, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED AS URBAN TRANSITION AS WELL, AND THEY. SORRY, THAT DUPLEX IS ONE THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD DUPLEX. CORRECT. OKAY. SO. ULTIMATELY STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS REZONING REQUEST, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING OUR RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THIS DISTRICT. MOST OF THE CONCERN IS, IS DUE TO SPOT ZONING. THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT CREATES A SINGLE LOT ZONING THAT'S KIND OF INCONSISTENT WITH THIS DISTRICT AND COULD AMOUNT TO SPOT ZONING. YOU KNOW, THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED TO OFFER A TRANSITION FROM THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT TO LESS DENSE ADJOINING DISTRICTS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION. AND REALLY A BROADER AREA WIDE REZONING OR REVIEW OF THE ZONING OR TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD WOULD BE A BETTER APPROACH TO CONSIDER WHETHER A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME WOULD BE THE BEST DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. I HAVE SOME I AM OUT OF ORDER BY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO DO BY ASKING THIS QUESTION. WE ARE HAVING A HEARING TO DISCUSS REZONING A PIECE OF PROPERTY BY VIRTUE OF OUR LAST MOTION. IF IT GETS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, WILL ACTUALLY BE CONFORMING, WILL IT NOT? SO IS THIS CART AND THE HORSE. SO AT APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THIS ITEM IS ON THIS AGENDA FOR TODAY. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. ALL WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON LAST MONTH'S AGENDA. I RECALL Y'ALL. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO ALL OF THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL HOMES RIGHT THERE. FORGIVE ME, MA'AM. MY APOLOGIES. YEAH, I BROKE, I BROKE IT FIRST. I'M SORRY. APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. SO I'M DAVE BLACKSHIRTS. MY WIFE KATHY. 522 SHERWOOD FOREST DICKINSON. I HAVE A HAVE THE LATEST ELEVATIONS WE'RE WORKING ON. I WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT. YES, I'D LIKE TO GO OUTSIDE OF WHAT I HAD WRITTEN HERE. I'D LIKE. I'D LIKE TO ASK. I'M NOT GOING TO YOUR MEMBERS OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, MY WIFE, KATHY, AND I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THIS REQUEST FOR THE REZONING OF OUR PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 3518 AND THE ROSEWOOD VILLAS NEIGHBORHOOD OF DICKINSON, TEXAS. OUR INTENTION IS TO BUILD OUR RETIREMENT HOME ON THIS SITE, CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONTINUED GROWTH AND STABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE LONG CALLED HOME FOR LONG TIME RESIDENTS, DICKINSON AND PROUD GRADUATES OF DICKINSON HIGH SCHOOL. OUR CURRENT HOME IN SHERWOOD FOREST IN 1994, AND THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH HOME I'VE OWNED AND THE THIRD THAT I'VE BUILT IN DICKINSON. WE REMAIN ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ARE PROUD SEASON TICKET HOLDERS TO DICKINSON GATORS VARSITY FOOTBALL TEAM. THE ROSEWOOD VILLAS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH INCLUDES OVER 50 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG ROSEWOOD DRIVE. SECTION ONE, ROSEWOOD CIRCLE, SECTION ONE, AND ELM DRIVE. SECTION TWO HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN ZONED AS CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL. OUR PROPERTY AT 3518 ELM IS CURRENTLY ZONED URBAN TRANSITION AND HAS REMAINED ON THE UNIMPROVED PROPERTY TAX ROLL SINCE ALL TIME, WE SEEK TO BRING IT ONTO THE IMPROVED TAX ROLL BY CONSTRUCTING A CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME, DEFINED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT LOCATED ON ITS OWN LOT AND NOT ATTACHED TO ANY OTHER DWELLING. [00:50:05] WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY VIEW THIS AS SPOT ZONING. WE BELIEVE THIS REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND SUPPORTS THE CITY'S GOALS FOR COMPATIBLE LAND USE. NOTABLY, THE UDC IDENTIFIES NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENTIONAL AS A COMPATIBLE ADJACENT ZONE TO URBAN TRANSITION AND VICE VERSA, REINFORCING THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S PLANNING FRAMEWORK. OUR REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH THE DICKINSON MASTER PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE MOST APPROPRIATE, EFFICIENT AND COMPATIBLE USE OF LAND AND STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. REZONING THIS PROPERTY TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS THAT REFLECT THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NATURE OF THIS AREA. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF OUR REQUEST AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUPPORT HELPING US CONTINUE OUR JOURNEY IN THE CITY WE LOVE. AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR AGAINST? NONE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU NEED AN APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL YET. SO WITH THAT, WE ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 722 AND MOVE TO ITEM 70. CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PARCEL OF LAND OF APPROXIMATELY 0.413 ACRES LOCATED AT 3518 ELM DRIVE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 19. PERRY AND AUSTIN, SURROUNDING PART OF LOT 140 131 DICKINSON EDITION D 25% D I AND LADY AND GENTLEMEN, FORGIVE ME. I'M GOING TO SPEAK FIRST ON THIS ONE. I I'M VERY CONFUSED BY A LOT OF THIS. DAVID. MA'AM, I'VE KNOWN DAVID FOR A WHILE. DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MEET YOU BEFORE. THIS THING IS A WHOLE LOT OF CHICKEN AND THE EGG SITUATION THAT I SEE IT ON. THE FACT THAT IT'S EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT. WHY WE DON'T LIKE THE URBAN TRANSITION. TWO, WE'RE ADJUSTING THE URBAN TRANSITION TO WHERE YOU GUYS DIDN'T EVEN NEED TO BE HERE. THREE WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE MAPS, AND IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER THAT AREA WILL SURVIVE AS URBAN TRANSITION. IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO END UP BACK IN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO. THE CONCERN IS, THOUGH, IS IF WE'RE NOT IF IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, AND THIS GOES TO THEM AND THEY SAY, NO, NO, NO, THEN WE'RE STUCK. WE'RE OUT. IT NEEDS TO BE EVEN MORE LIKE WE WERE PLANNING ON STARTING PERMITS IN JANUARY. WE WERE THINKING WE'D BE IN THAT. AND NOW WE'RE PUSHED A LITTLE, LITTLE FURTHER, KIND OF IN LINE WITH MY CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DEAL WITH THIS. YES, YES, I MOVE, WE APPROVE. I SECONDED EVERYBODY SECONDS IT. ALRIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND. ANYBODY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. UNFORTUNATELY I HATE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE. WE WORK ON. SO GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR HOUSE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. THANKS, GUYS. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SEVEN F CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING APPROVAL OF 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. APPLICATION DEADLINE AND MEETING SCHEDULE. WELL. PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. SAME LAYOUT WE HAVE NOW. THIRD TUESDAY. STILL 630. YEP. ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. MOTION AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIED. ITEM SEVEN G. DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAP. ALL RIGHT. WE DID MAKE IT THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST OF ALL THE ZONES, RIGHT? YES, SIR. WE HAVE VOICED ALL OF OUR OPINIONS ON THE ON THE ACTUAL UDC. SO ARE WE NOW TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE MAPS AND QUESTIONING OUR COLOR CODING. NOW WE DON'T HAVE THEM. SO THAT WAS I THINK, KIND OF OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE MAP ON THE START ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE IT'S NOT UP HERE. RIGHT? I DID NOT PRINT OKAY. NOT REPRINT THOSE. NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HILL TO DIE ON. IT WAS BACK TO WHAT WE SAID. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS. [00:55:04] AS LONG AS WE HAVE TIMELINES ON THEM. I WANT TO HAVE TIMELINES. NOT ACTION LINES LIKE 8 TO 12 OR SOMETHING. 9 TO 12. I'LL DO THAT AGAIN. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING ANOTHER COUPLE MEETINGS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR OR MORE KNOWING THAT, HEY, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE ONE HOUR. WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN IN ONE HOUR, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN ANOTHER WEEK. AND ANYBODY I'M MAKING STATEMENTS HERE, ANYBODY FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE WITH ME ON IT. I CAN'T DO IT ON AND YOU'LL BE HERE AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. SO I GUESS THAT'S GOOD. THAT WAS GOOD ON THE TIMELINE. NO, I MEAN, I DON'T WORK WELL IN LITTLE IN SOMETHING SO COMPLEX, IN LITTLE. OUR COMPONENTS. I MEAN, I'M SORRY. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE LIVES. I HAVE LIVES, TOO. YEAH, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND JUST TO COME IN FOR AN HOUR. I CAN'T DO MY MIND MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT IT IT MY TAKE ON IT IS WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THE SAME, SAME DRAWINGS EACH AND EVERY TIME, ALMOST TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE LEAVE HERE AND WE GET THE CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY SEGMENTING THE CITY BY SECTIONS AND GIVE IT. ALRIGHT, ONE HOUR, WE'RE GOING TO WORK IN THIS WINDOW RIGHT HERE. OKAY. AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE GET THAT WINDOW DONE IN THAT TIME AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT WEEK. WE COME HAVE ANOTHER HOUR TO TRY TO PLUG IN THE NEXT SECTION. AND THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT THAT, IN MY OPINION, IS THAT IF I HAPPEN TO SAY, I THINK THAT RIGHT THERE NEEDS TO BE ZONED X. AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK, I HAVE THE CHANCE TO DRIVE BY AND GO, DAMN, I'M WAY OFF. WE WOULD ALL HAVE THE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND GO. BY THE WAY, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR LAST SECTION AND MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT IF POSSIBLE, BECAUSE NOTHING'S SET IN STONE UNTIL WE'RE COMPLETELY DONE. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHEN YOU WANT TO MEET. I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO STAY ANOTHER HOUR? DO YOU NOT? PROBABLY TONIGHT. BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MAPS. DO YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT. I THOUGHT WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS THAT SATURDAY. SO DID I. SO CITY MANAGEMENT HAS RELAYED TO ME THAT I HAVE MEETINGS ON WEEKENDS. OKAY, WELL, THAT SETTLES THAT THEN. FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR OR AT ALL, IT SEEMS LIKE INDEFINITELY. OKAY. OVERTIME THINGS. YEAH. STAFF HAS TO BE HERE. YEAH. OKAY. I FIGURED THAT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IF. YOU HAVE A LIFE. SOMETIMES YOU DON'T GET A SALARY. SO I FEEL LIKE. YEAH, SALARY. YOU JUST. OKAY. SO WHEN SO MUCH TIME. BUT I HAVE A THREE PERSON DEPARTMENT, SO. YEAH. GOTTA BE SO WHEN? SO WHEN WOULD THE NEXT HOUR BE? I'M SORRY. IT COULD BE AT THE NEXT. IT COULD BE THE DECEMBER MEETING. I VOLUNTEER. I WANT TO TACK IT ON TO THE END OF THAT. OR WE CAN DO MORE THAN ONE HOUR DURING THE WEEK. IF IF Y'ALL ARE THAT I CAN DO TUESDAY. I CAN'T DO WEDNESDAY. FLEXIBLE. HE CAN'T DO SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. THAT'S MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS OR TUESDAY. I'LL ACCEPT THANKSGIVING WEEK. YEAH, YEAH. NO, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE. NO CHRISTMAS EITHER. WE NEED YOU GUYS HERE ON THE 25TH OF DECEMBER. SANTA CLAUS. WAIT. 11 YEAR OLD FREAK OUT THIS CITY. MISS MARJORIE, HOW ARE HOW ARE YOUR MONDAYS? NO OPTION. SO TUESDAYS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE TUESDAYS. WELL, MARJORIE PROBABLY HAS ONE OF THE MORE DIFFICULT SCHEDULES OF ALL OF US, YOU KNOW. SO AND I WOULD SAY, IF YOU CAN STILL MAKE THE TUESDAYS AGAIN, THIS ENTIRE MAP IS GOING TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS UNTIL WE REACH THE VERY END. IF EVERY TUESDAY YOU DO MAKE IT, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GO, OKAY, I AGREE, I AGREE. WAIT A MINUTE. HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD AGAIN. NOTHING IS SET IN STONE UNTIL WE REACH THE END AND WE ALL STACK HANDS AND CALL IT SUSAN. SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A SEPARATE TUESDAY FROM OUR MEETING? CORRECT. I THINK IT'S IN ADDITION TO OUR MEETING WHICH TACKING ON ABOUT ANOTHER HOUR. AND THEN AND THEN ALSO, I THINK WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEDNESDAYS OR THURSDAYS, AS WE ALL HAVE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SHE CAN'T SHE WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM. SO WHY DON'T WE DO A TUESDAY THAT'S NOT TACKED ON. WHY DON'T WE DO A TUESDAY THAT'S JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS? I MEAN, ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? YOU MEAN IN BETWEEN THE THIRD TUESDAY? YEAH, YEAH. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. I CAME IN PREPARED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THOSE FOUR LOTS. [01:00:02] YOU KNOW THAT INTERSECTION OF DIETZ AND OAK? YEAH, THAT ARE ZONED, I THINK COMMERCIAL. COMMERCIAL. I THINK THEY'RE AUTO. AUTO AUTO CENTRIC. COMMERCIAL? YES, SIR. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON. AND THAT'S A QUICK HIT TO ME. UNLESS SOMEBODY DISAGREES. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT'S COMMERCIAL. BUT, SEE, WE CAN'T DO PIECEMEAL LIKE THAT THOUGH. WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO GO. WE HAVE TO DO SEGMENT BY SEGMENT, THOUGH, FOR LOTS OF SITTING THERE BY THEMSELVES AT THAT INTERSECTION, ZONED COMMERCIAL. EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT IS RESIDENTIAL. I'M ABSOLUTELY INCLINED TO AGREE WITH YOU, BUT KIND OF IN LINE. AS DEBORAH SAID, WHEN WE GET TO THAT ONE, THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE A DONE DEAL. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO DISAGREE. YEP. BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE SYSTEMATIC IN OUR APPROACH AS WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THE CITY WITH THAT. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I FIND THAT WE'VE MISSED SOMETHING OR AND ALSO GIVE US AND THIS IS ONE THING I WOULD ASK TRAVIS AS WE'RE SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW. ONE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S OUR NEXT SCHEDULE AND WHAT TIME. TWO, WHAT SECTIONS THAT WOULD GIVE ALL OF US THE OPPORTUNITY, IF WE WANTED TO, TO DRIVE THAT SECTION AND GET A LITTLE MORE FAMILIARIZED WITH IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT THERE AND GO, WHAT THE HECK IS OVER THERE? AND WE COULD HOPEFULLY CRUISE THROUGH THESE AREAS PRETTY QUICKLY. OKAY, SO YEAH, LET'S DO IT. BUT I, I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT TUESDAY NOT TAPPED ON THE BACK OF THE MEETING BECAUSE I, I COME PREPARED FOR THE MEETING AND AND THAT'S WHERE MY MINDSET IS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. WE COULD DO IT BETWEEN 10:00 AT NIGHT AND 5:00 IN THE MORNING. THERE WE GO. I'M OPEN. I'M PLAYING ON THE FREEWAY. OKAY. WHEN ARE WE? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO MEET? THE NEXT TIME. SO WE HAVE A DECEMBER MEETING ON THE 16TH. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO DO WE WANT TO MEET ON THE NINTH? THAT WOULD WORK FOR ME. ASKING GUYS. ASKING FOR A FRIEND. OKAY. LET'S ASSUME THAT AS A COUNCIL MEETING, RIGHT? THERE WOULD BE A COUNCIL MEETING THAT NIGHT. WELL, WE CAN COME TO THE BACK. YEAH, WE CAN COME TO THIS ROOM. I MIGHT EVEN GET FED. IS THERE WITH THAT BEING SAID. YOU SAID THE NINTH. YEAH. WHAT DOES ANYBODY THOUGHTS ON THE 25TH? OH, BEHAVE. NOT. DECEMBER 25TH. NOVEMBER 25TH. OH, YEAH. NO NO NO NO NO NO I NOT RIGHT BEFORE NO NEXT TUESDAY, WHICH AGAIN IS GOING TO BE TWO DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING. I'M DRIVING OUT THE NEXT MORNING. BUT NO, I'M NOT BEFORE THAT. I'M DOING 105 MEALS. YEAH. YOU CAN GET THOSE DONE ON 26TH. SO GOING BACK TO THE 9TH OF DECEMBER, DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? SO LOGISTICALLY I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PRESENT SOME ITEMS TO CITY COUNCIL THAT NIGHT. SO THAT WON'T WORK FOR YOU. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. WHY CAN'T WE COME IN EARLY? CAN WE COME IN EARLIER? 05:00, 530. COUNCIL DOESN'T START TILL SEVEN. YEAH, THAT WON'T GIVE US ENOUGH TIME. WHAT ABOUT DECEMBER THE 2ND? IS THAT AN ISSUE? I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING THEN, DON'T WE? NO. 16 IS OUR NEXT MEETING. NO, NOT TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I HAVE A SCHEDULED TRAINING TO BE OUT THAT WEEK. OKAY. FIRST WEEK IN DECEMBER. WE'RE GOING TO JANUARY. THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY. THAT'S CORRECT. WHICH WOULD BE THE 6TH OF JANUARY. HEAVENS TO MURGATROYD. SO ARE WE. ARE WE ALL? AND, MARJORIE, I KNOW YOUR SCHEDULE, MA'AM, BUT ARE WE ALL DYING ON TUESDAYS ONLY? I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE HAVE OUR OWN MEETINGS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ENTERTAINING. IF ANYBODY WANTED TO SLIP IN A MONDAY OR A THURSDAY IN THERE. DOES THAT MATTER? EVEN A WEDNESDAY? I DON'T CARE. IT HAS TO BE IN THIS BUILDING. IT HAS TO BE. MARJORIE WILL SERVE DRINKS. WE COULD DO IT AT CATERERS ALL DAY. I'M JUST SAYING I AGREE TO EVERYTHING MONDAY. I JUST KNOW I HAVE TO STAY IN THE RESTAURANT THAT NIGHT. IT DOES HAVE TO BE RECORDED BY IT. SO. OH, I RECORD EVERYTHING IN MY RESTAURANT. I KNOW, THANKS. BUT AGAIN, MARJORIE, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO MISS SOME MEETINGS. OKAY. JUST HER SCHEDULE IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT. BUT AGAIN, SHE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOING TO BE DONE ON THE MAP CONVERSATION. YOU'RE GOING TO MISS THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING AND GO, WHY THAT I DISAGREE. IT'S GOING TO BE OUR JOB TO UPDATE YOU AT THAT POINT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO LEAVE YOU BEHIND FOR A SECOND. [01:05:01] SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE 9TH OF DECEMBER. IF WE MET AT FIVE, WE HAVE TWO HOURS. AND IF IT DOESN'T, IF WE'RE NOT FINISHED, THEN WE GO ON TO ANOTHER DATE. IT'S THE 9TH OF DECEMBER. YEAH. CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE'RE MEETING AT SEVEN, THEY DON'T MEET TILL SEVEN. YEAH, BUT HOW CAN YOU BE HERE AT FIVE? FIVE? YEAH. WELL, YEAH, SOMETIMES THAT'S HARD TO ACHIEVE. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BEING DIFFICULT AGAIN. MAKE IT HAPPEN WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. HAVE TO TELL MY BOSS I'M OUT OF HERE. WELL, IF WE WANT ALL MEMBERS TO BE HERE BECAUSE MARJORIE CAN'T BE HERE. I HAVE TRAINING, FIRE TRAINING ON WEDNESDAYS. I COULD MISS IF YOU GUYS DO IT ON A WEDNESDAY AND I CAN MISS SOMEBODY. I JUST CAN'T DO IT ALL THE TIME. WELL, IF WE COULD JUST DROP A COUPLE OF WEDNESDAYS IN THERE OVER THE NEXT, I'M GOING TO SAY OVER THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, I CAN DO TUESDAY. WEDNESDAY. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED TO THAT? THAT'S GOOD WITH ME. EXCEPT FOR THANKSGIVING WEEK, OBVIOUSLY. YEAH, I'M. I'M LEAVING FOR THE RECORD. WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, I'M DRIVING OUT, OH MY GOD, EARLY ON WEDNESDAY AND WON'T BE BACK UNTIL THE FIRST. WHAT DATE ARE WE TALKING? I JUST NEED THE THIRD. OKAY. DECEMBER THE 3RD. I THOUGHT HE WAS YOU OUT THAT WEEK. I'M OUT THE FIRST WEEK. YOU'RE OUT THAT WEEK. OKAY? THE 10TH. WE'RE CRUSHING IT. RIGHT. I'M HERE. OKAY. THE 10TH. LET'S STOP TALKING. THAT'S IT HERE. THE NINTH AND THE 10TH. WE CAN'T DO THE NINTH AND THE 10TH. THE COUNCIL MEETING. IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S TWO HOURS BEFORE. FIVE TO 7 OR 530 IF YOU. WE DON'T WANT. WE DON'T. BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT BRUCE WAS SAYING, IT'S NOT TIME FOR AIRHEADS TO KIND OF GO OUT AND THINK ABOUT THINGS. SO WE DON'T WANT TO BING, BING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T THINK. SO EITHER. SO WHAT ABOUT NINTH AND THE 11TH? I MEAN THURSDAY. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING? YEAH, WE HAD HADN'T COMING IN EARLY FOR THE NINTH. AND THEN I THINK ON THE 11TH. AND THEN I WOULD ASK THE FOLLOWING WEEK WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 16TH, I THINK, ARE WE GOING TO VOTE TO CANCEL THAT MEETING? THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL. AT THIS TIME, IT'S STILL ON. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN CANCELING IT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. WE HAVE. WELL, HERE'S THE NINTH. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. YES, MA'AM. THE NINTH IS AT FIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS TO COME. LET'S NOT JUST CANCEL ON THEM. I THINK. WHY DO I HAVE AM I LEWIS? OH, I HAVE AM I LEWIS MEETING THAT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THAT MEETING. BUT THE APPLICATION DEADLINE HAS PASSED. THAT'S FINE. WE MOVED OUR BOARD MEETING 9 TO 11, 16, 18. YEAH. GOT FOUR DAYS. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. YEAH, WELL, WE WORK FOR 40 YEARS, RIGHT? 16. I WAS SAYING 1618 THOUGHTS? THAT'S A TUESDAY AND A THURSDAY, AND THE FOLLOWING WEEK OF TUESDAY AND A THURSDAY, NINTH AND 11TH, 16TH AND 18TH, I'M SAYING. YES, SIR. WHAT TIME? THE NINTH IS GOING TO BE 5 TO 6:45, I'M ASSUMING. AND THEN THE OTHER DATES WILL BE I DON'T KNOW. WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO SAY? SIX TO 6 TO 8. 6 OR 636. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A HILL OF BEANS. DIFFERENCE IS BETTER FOR ME. OKAY. 630 TO 830 ON THE 11TH, 16TH AND 18TH. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. CARRIED IT. PASSES. ALL THOSE NUMBERS WERE FOR YOU. YES, SIR. 11TH AND 16TH. FEET AND THE THE TIMES. THE 11TH. WE HAVE A DINNER. THE 11TH. I CAN'T MAKE THAT. I'VE GOT TO MISS THAT. BUT WE'RE ALL GOING TO MISS SOME NINTH, 11TH, 16TH AND 18TH. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN WE WE WE MAKE WHAT WE CAN MAKE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU STILL GOT THE CHOICE TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT BEFORE. I DON'T THINK NOT HAVING EVERY ONE OF US ISN'T GOING TO BE A REASON TO NOT MAKE PROGRESS. AMEN, BROTHER. WHAT'S THE COUNT FOR QUORUM FOR I HAVE FOR TO HAVE A QUORUM. SO THE ONLY ONE. THAT'S TWO TO THE NINTH. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HOPEFULLY I WON'T BE TRAVELING TO A MOTION TO ADJOURN. [01:10:03] OR DO YOU HAVE. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.