ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL READY FOR THIS?
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READY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
UH, LIKE TO MOVE THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING OF 21 OCTOBER TO ORDER, UH, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, JOIN US AS, UH, MS. FORTNER WHO DOES THE INVOCATION, PLEASE.
OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT AND WE JUST FEEL BLESSED THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MEET AS A COMMUNITY AND, UH, THAT WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS AND WE CAN, UM, REST ON YOUR WISDOM.
AND WE ASK, UH, THAT YOU GIVE US THAT WISDOM TONIGHT.
UM, AND WE THANK YOU ALSO, LORD, FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT STAND AT ALL OF OUR BORDERS AND KEEP US SAFE.
AND WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR NAME.
MR. WILL BROWN WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE TO BOTH FLAGS.
PLEASE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
LIBERTY FOR HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
[3. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
OF THE AGENDA IS WHAT'S CALLED PUBLIC COMMENTS.AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR ITEM SEVEN A AND SEVEN B TO SPEAK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S HERE THAT WANTED TO JUST HAVE ANY GENERAL COMMENTS? UH, IF YOU WOULD, SIR, PLEASE COME TO THE DEUS STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
AND IF THIS IS ABOUT ITEM SEVEN A, SEVEN B ABOUT, UH, ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, THAT'LL COME UP.
ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.
I LIVE AT 5 22 SHERWOOD FOREST.
DICK, UH, SHERWOOD FOREST DRIVE HERE IN DICKINSON.
I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
THE CITY PROMISED ME I'D BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
I'M NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING WITH THE, TRYING TO CHANGE THE ZONING PIECE ON THE URBAN TRANSITION.
AND ADDING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THERE.
BUT THAT'S GONNA TAKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS LONGER, A COUPLE OF WEEKS LONGER THAN WHAT I WAS WORKING ON MYSELF TRYING TO GET MY PROPERTY REZONED.
IT'S ALREADY A TWO OR THREE MONTH, UH, DELAY.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START, TRY TO GET DONE IN THREE MINUTES ON THE LETTER THAT I ATTACHED TO MY ZONING, UH, AMENDMENT REQUEST.
MY, UH, DEAR MEMBERS OF PLANNING, ZONING AND COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, MY WIFE KATHY AND I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT, THERE'S REQUEST TO REZONING OF OUR PROPERTY LOCATED 35 18 ELM.
IT'S IN THE ROSEWOOD VILLAS NEIGHBORHOOD IN DICKINSON, TEXAS.
OUR INTENTION IS TO BUILD OUR RETIREMENT HOME ON THIS SITE, CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONTINUING GROWTH AND STABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE LONG CALLED HOME, WE'RE LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF DICKINSON AND PROUD GRADUATES OF DICKINSON HIGH SCHOOL.
I BUILT MY CURRENT HOME IN SHERWOOD FOREST IN 1994, AND THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH HOME THAT I'VE OWNED.
AND THE THIRD THAT I'VE BUILT IN DICKINSON, UH, DURING MY LIFE.
UH, WE REMAIN ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ARE PROUD, SEASONED TICKET HOLDERS OF THE DICKINSON GATORS VARSITY FOOTBALL TEAM.
CURRENTLY THE ROSEWOOD VILLAS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH INCLUDES OVER 50 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG ROSEWOOD DRIVE, SECTION ONE, ROSEWOOD CIRCLE, SECTION ONE AND ELM DRIVE.
SECTION TWO HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN ZONED AS CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
OUR PROPERTY 35 18 DRIVE, UH, ELM DRIVE, IS CURRENTLY ZONED URBAN TRANSITION AS REMAINED ON THE UNIMPROVED PROPERTY TAX RULE.
WE SEEK TO BRING IT ONTO THE IMPROVED ROLE BY CONSTRUCTING A CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME DEFINED IN THE UDC AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT LOCATING ON ITS OWN LOT AND NOT ATTACHED TO ANY OTHER DWELLING.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY VIEW THIS AS SPOT ZONING, BUT WE BELIEVE THIS REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND SUPPORTS THE CITY'S GOALS FOR COMPATIBLE LAND USE.
NOTABLY, THE UDC IDENTIFIES NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AS A COMPATIBLE ADJACENT ZONE TO URBAN TRANSMISSION, UH, URBAN TRANSITION AND VICE VERSA.
REINFORCING THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY PLANNING FRAMEWORK, OUR REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH THE DICKINSON MASTER
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PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES MOST APPROPRIATE, EFFICIENT, AND COMPATIBLE USE OF LAND AND STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.REZONING THIS PROPERTY TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENTIONAL WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS THAT REFLECT THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR, UH, UH, NATURE OF THE, OF THE AREA.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION WITH THIS REQUEST AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUPPORT AND HELPING THE JOURNEY IN THE CITY.
WE LOVE SINCERELY, DAVID AND KATHY BLACKSHIRE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SAY I WAS PROMISED BY THE CITY THAT I'D BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND I'M NOT.
SO, SO DAVID, WE'RE NOT TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT YES SIR, I DO GET TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH YOU.
WHILE YOU SPECIFICALLY ARE NOT ON HERE, I WILL TELL YOU ITEM SEVEN E COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY AFFECTS YOU.
WERE YOU, DID YOU GET TO ATTEND THE COUNCIL MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT? YES.
SO ITEM SEVEN E IS GOING TO BE US, UH, TAKING A, A POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE ENTIRE ZONING MAP OF THE CITY.
WE'RE GONNA DO A GOOD OVERLAY OF WHAT WAS, WHAT BECAME.
MAKE SURE WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THESE ZONING DESCRIPTORS ARE.
AND WE HAVE, I APPRECIATE ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN DO FOR US.
WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO GO THROUGH WITH OUR CRAYONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND TRY TO GET BACK TO COMMON SENSE.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING ON THAT.
I WOULD ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, SIR.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.
[4. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS]
ANNOUNCEMENTS OF PRESENTATIONS FOR A BUILDING OFFICIAL UPDATE.SIR TRAVIS, WERE YOU HIDING BACK THERE? I WAS.
I'M YOUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND BUILDING OFFICIAL.
UH, REALLY THE ONLY UPDATE I HAVE FOR TONIGHT IS TO CON CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION FROM THE, UH, JOINT WORKSHOP MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE, LET'S LET'S KNOCK OUT THE FIRST DATE FOR OUR WORKSHOP MEETING WITH P AND Z.
UH, SO I HAD TO, UH, TAKE IT THROUGH CITY MANAGER TO GET PERMISSION TO HOLD A MEETING ON A SATURDAY, UH, WHICH IS NOT A DAY THAT WE ARE TYPICALLY OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
UH, SO THE WORD I GOT FROM THAT WOULD WAS THAT CITY MANAGER WOULD BE ACCEPTING TO HOLD THE FIRST MEETING ON A SATURDAY.
UH, HOWEVER, THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS WOULD NEED TO BE CONDUCTED DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS.
UH, SO IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD, UH, WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON, ON THE FIRST MEETING DATE.
FORGIVE ME, WHAT WAS THE DATE? WE DO NOT HAVE ONE I PROPOSED AS OF YET.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AT THE MEETING THE 25TH, UH, HOW ARE WE, WE REQUIRED TO POST NOTICE? UH, SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME POST NOTICE.
UH, THAT'S OCTOBER 25TH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT, THAT ONE WOULD NOW BE OFF THE TABLE.
I HAVE A REALLY CUTE 10 YEAR OLD'S BIRTHDAY PARTY I HAVE TO BE AT.
HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER 8TH? WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? UH, I'M GONNA SAY I'M OPEN ON NOVEMBER 8TH.
YOU GUYS? EIGHTH, MS. MARJORIE? THAT'S MA'AM.
WHAT TIME? UH, I WOULD PROBABLY PREFER MORNING, BUT YEAH, I WOULD PREFER MORNING ALSO SO WE CAN GET IT KNOCKED OUT.
I'M ASSUMING WE EXP LIKE THREE HOURS, FOUR HOURS? I, I WOULD THINK THREE, FOUR HOURS MINIMUM? YEAH.
WILL YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, SIR? SO IT'S LOOKING LIKE, UH, NOVEMBER 8TH IS THE DATE.
UH, GUYS, ARE WE TALKING EIGHT O'CLOCK? NINE, NINE? WANNA SLEEP IN, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
NINE O'CLOCK WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
YOU DO HAVE TO BRING THE COLCHIS THOUGH, TRAVIS.
THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR THAT ONE.
[5. CONSENT AGENDA]
FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MORE MOTION.THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSION MEMBER REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
A CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I I HAVE A SECOND AND I HAVE A SECOND.
SO WE WILL TRAVEL UP TO ITEM SEVEN,
[7. NEW BUSINESS]
NEW BUSINESS SEVEN A CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO APPROVE THE SANCTUARY.SECTION TWO, PRELIMINARY PLAT BEING APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES LOCATED AT 1600 BEST ROAD AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 19 PER AUSTIN SURROUNDING LOT 45 0 DASH ZERO DICKINSON EDITION.
DI WILL OPEN THE HEARING AT ZERO,
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EXCUSE ME, 18 6 40.HOW ABOUT WE DO THAT? FAIR ENOUGH.
SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, UH, FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH APPROXIMATELY 42 LOTS, UH, LOCATED OFF OF BEST ROAD.
AND THIS IS THE REVIEW CRITERIA FROM THE UDC FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT BASICALLY SAYS IF IT MEETS THE CITY'S CRITERIA, UH, AS LAID OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE THE PLAT.
THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION.
THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, UH, CITY LIMIT BETWEEN LEAGUE CITY AND DICKINSON.
SO HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT LAYOUT.
THE LEGEND SHOWS THAT ALL LOTS ARE EITHER 55 OR 60 FOOT WIDE, AND IT DOES MEET ALL CRITERIA, UH, ON STAFF LEVEL.
SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UH, SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
AND, UH, FORGIVE ME, I, I'M GONNA HAVE A MOMENT HERE.
IS THAT, THAT IS THE STANDARD PROCESS FOR JUST A PLAT APPROVAL? YEAH.
WE STILL GO THROUGH THE SAME ROUTINE, YES.
I'M THE ENGINEER RECORD FOR THE PROJECT.
THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF A 10 AC TRACT LOCATED IN CITY OF DICKINSON.
THE EXISTING BEST ROAD CURRENTLY SITS, UM, WE'RE EXTENDING IT FROM WHERE IT STARTS TO, TO THE EXISTING PASS ROAD AT ST.
THE SUBJECT DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF 42 55 FOOT WIDE, 110 FOOT DEEP LOTS.
ESSENTIALLY THE SUBJECT SIDE HAS A ONSITE DETENTION TO, TO ADDRESS THE NEEDED STOMP DRAINAGE FROM THE BUS ROAD EXTENSION AND THE DEVELOPMENT LOTS.
AND THERE IS A WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY AVAILABLE FROM THE WATER DISTRICT.
UM, THE BEST ROAD EXTENSION PLANS ARE PART OF THE LAKE CITY CITY LIMITS.
SO WE SUBMITTED THE DESIGN PLANS TO CITY OF LAKE CITY AND WE HAVE THE APPROVAL AND THAT WAS A, A PRECEDENT REQUIREMENT BEFORE WE COULD SUBMIT A SUBDIVISION PLAT.
SO, UM, AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE EXTENDING THE SANITARY SEWER AND WATERLINE FROM THE EXISTING BEST ROAD THAT CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS, UM, ONTO THE NEW BEST ROAD.
AND WE'RE CONNECTING CONNECTION TO SERVICE THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
SO IF I, IF THE COMMISSION ANY QUESTIONS REGARDS TO THE TECHNICAL STUFF, I CAN EITHER ANSWER TO YOU NOW OR AFTER THE BUDGET.
THE WAY IT'LL WORK, SIR, IS, UM, YOU HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YOUR PRESENTATION.
ALL OF THE PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO SAY IT, AND THEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO REBUT ANY OF THE COMMENTS.
UH, IF PEOPLE SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH OR YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO, THAT'D BE A GOOD TIME.
I HOPE YOU BROUGHT A PEN AND PAPER.
AND FORGIVE ME, DID WE GET HIS NAME AND ADDRESS ON RECORD? MY FIRST NAME IS CELL, SEL AND LAST NAME IS T-H-I-N-T.
MY ADDRESS IS 9 0 7 SOUTH FRANFORD DRIVE, SUITE 200, FRIENDSWOOD, TEXAS 7 7 5 4 6.
UM, WHAT, HMM, WHAT GROUP DID HE SAY HE IS WITH? I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.
DID YOU CATCH WHAT HIS, UH, GROUP IS? COMPANY NAME.
GROUP NAME, EVEREST DESIGN GROUP.
SO WE'LL GO INTO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE HEARING.
UH, I'M GONNA KIND OF, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, A LOT OF YOU GUYS SIGNED UP, WHICH I'M ALWAYS VERY, VERY GLAD THAT YOU DO.
'CAUSE I GET TIRED OF TALKING TO JUST THEM.
BUT, UH, I WILL ASK, UH, IN THE, IN THE NAME OF KIND OF EXPEDIENCY, UM, IF YOU GUYS KNOW EACH OTHER AND ONE OF YOUR PARTNERS SAYS SOMETHING SUCCINCTLY AND BASICALLY YOU'RE JUST GONNA REITERATE THE SAME THING, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SAY, HEY, I CONCUR WITH JOE, AND THAT THAT CARRIES WEIGHT.
SO JUST KIND OF TO TRY TO MOVE THINGS ALONG
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IF YOU DON'T MIND.SIR, I'M ONE OF THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND WE HAVE OUR LEGAL, UH, REPRESENTATION UNIT.
I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET A LOT OF THAT OUT AND ELIMINATE MOST OF THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THAT LIST.
YOU SAY BOARD HOA BOARD OR? YES, SIR.
UH, AND FORGIVE ME, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? MARK.
ER, MARK, ER, ER, DOWN THE LIST A LITTLE WAYS, BUT SOME OF THE FOLKS JUST SIGNED IN THINKING THEY WERE JUST SUPPOSED TO SIGN IN.
WELL, MARK, AND FORGIVE ME, I, I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND ALL THESE LADIES, GENTLEMEN, I HAVE TO GO DOWN THE LIST.
SO IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND IF, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, IF YOU HEAR YOUR NAME AND YOU GO, HEY, MARK'S GONNA SAY WHAT I ALREADY KNOW, JUST SAY MARK OR WHATEVER, WE'LL MOVE DOWN THAT WAY.
I JUST STAY, NOBODY GETS SHORTED AND EVERYBODY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY.
UH, THE FIRST GENTLEMAN ON HERE IS ED SCHROEDER.
ED, AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
HELLO, MY NAME IS ED SCHROEDER.
EDMOND'S CROSSING IN DICKINSON, WHICH IS, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, I BELIEVE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, LET ME SAY BY MR. BENDER OVER HERE.
HE'S JUST DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH.
MY HOUSE WAS BUILT, NO BUILDING PERMIT WAS EVER ISSUED FOR IT, AND IT BECAME A PROBLEM WITH MY INSURANCE LATER ON.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
MY HOUSE FLOODED IN HURRICANE HARVEY.
I DO NOT WANT THE RETENTION POND FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ANY WAY FLOWING INTO THE RETENTION POND OF OUR SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE THE RETENTION POND IN ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO KEEP MY HOUSE FROM FLOODING ANOTHER 10 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
MOVING INTO THAT RETENTION POND IS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO HELP.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THERE BEING ANY INCREASE IN ELEVATION.
I DON'T WANT MR. BENDER, THE DEVELOPERS TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF THAT PROPERTY SO IT'S HIGHER THAN THE SUBDIVISION NEXT TO IT.
DON'T NEED MORE WATER OR FLOODING PROBLEMS. AND I ALSO AM OPPOSED TO THE OPENING OF BEST ROAD INTO OUR SUBDIVISION.
IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN LESS TRAFFIC AND MORE TRAFFIC, I'M VOTING FOR LESS TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERNS, THE DRAINAGE INTO OUR SUBDIVISION POSSIBLE RAISING THE ELEVATION OF HIS SUBDIVISION HIGHER THAN OURS AND OPENING UP BEST ROAD.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WE GOT, UH, CHARLES KENWORTHY AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
CHARLES KENWORTHY, 24 10 SULLIVAN LANE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL'S TIME.
UH, KNOWING BEING ON COMMISSION AND BOARDS ARE CHALLENGING SOMETIMES, BUT I'M GONNA ECHO THE SAME COMMENTS THAT THIS GENTLEMAN JUST SAID.
WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME CONCERNS.
UH, WE DIDN'T LIVE THERE DURING HARVEY, BUT WE LIVED CLOSE BY AND I KNOW THAT THAT SUBDIVISION WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, WENT UNDERWATER.
IF YOU ADD MORE WATER SIMILAR TO HARVEY, THAT'S GONNA BE DETRIMENTAL.
UM, IT, IT'S JUST A MAJOR CONCERN.
UH, NEXT ONE, UH, CATHERINE MELDRUM.
UM, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN THERE A COUPLE YEARS.
UM, I GREW UP IN DICKINSON, UM, AND, AND KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THE FLOODING CAME BACK FROM THE DALLAS AREA PLAN TO RETIRE THERE.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN THERE A COUPLE YEARS.
WE ACTUALLY LIVE ON 24 35 SULLIVAN LANE, SO WE ARE ON THE RETENTION POND.
AND SO WE, WE REALLY DO NOT WANT ANY KIND OF TROUBLE WITH THE, UM, SPILLWAY NOT BEING ABLE TO RELEASE THAT WATER AND HAVE AN ISSUE.
WE DID HAVE IT COME UP PRETTY FAR SINCE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE STORMS THAT CAME THROUGH AND IT WAS ABLE TO DUMP THAT WATER AND THEN WE FELT THAT RELIEF THAT I FEEL LIKE WITH THE EXTRA ON THERE, THAT THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
I AGREE WITH THE OPENING OF THE, UM, UH, THE ENTRANCE ON BESS AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S SECURE.
WE ALREADY HAVE IT OPEN IN THE BACK AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS APPROACHED BY SOMEBODY, UM, ASKING IF I HAD MONEY FOR FOOD.
I DON'T WANT ANY EXTRA ENTRANCES COMING INTO THE SUBDIVISION AS WELL.
DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, WE ALWAYS, I MEAN, THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THE, UM, UH, BRIDGE THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT GOING OVER HIGHWAY THREE.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING A ONE TWO PUNCH, UM, AS A REALTOR AND A TEACHER.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE VALUE
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OF THE PROPERTY.AGAIN, IF WE'RE PLANNING TO RETIRE THERE, I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE'S GONNA REITERATE THE SAME INFORMATION.
UH, PAUL, IS IT REHAN? TRAHAN I'LL REFER TO OUR ATTORNEY.
I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, GILL FROM THE SAN ED EDMOND GREEN.
TRAFFIC ON BEST IS, UH, EXTREMELY TIGHT.
THE ROAD'S BARELY WIDE ENOUGH FOR ONE CAR TO GO DOWN.
SO IF YOU ADD 49 MORE CARS, PROBABLY THREE TIMES THAT I, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS IN THE DITCH EVERY DAY.
WE ALREADY HAVE CARS IN THE DITCH ALL THE TIME.
OPENING UP BEST GOING INTO SAY, EDMOND'S GREEN.
UH, OUR NEIGHBOR JUST TO THE, I GUESS THE NORTH LAKE CITY HAVE A VERY POPULAR BAR RESTAURANT CALLED HUGH AND JEFFS, I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
UM, IT'S A GREAT PLACE, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF LATE NIGHT TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF INTOXICATED TRAFFIC.
AND I THINK GIVING THOSE PEOPLE ANOTHER WAY TO AVOID 6 46 AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IS REALLY NOT A GREAT IDEA.
UM, THE FLOODING OBVIOUSLY IS A CONCERN.
WE WERE HERE IN HARVEY, UM, OUR LITTLE PIECE OF DICKINSON DIDN'T FLOOD ON BESS ON THAT SIDE, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO RESCUE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DID FLOOD.
SO, UH, IF THEY'RE BUILDING A RETENTION POND, THAT'S GREAT.
WHERE'S IT GONNA DRAIN TOO? AND I MEAN, IF IT'S ALREADY DRAINING TO SOMEPLACE THAT'S FLOODED, IT'S NOT DOING ANYBODY ANY GOOD.
AND I REALLY THINK THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD, AND I KNOW LEAGUE CITIES TO THE NORTH.
I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DICKINSON'S ROAD OR LEAGUE CITIES ROAD, BUT I CAN SEE IF YOU HAVE A CITY THAT OWNS HALF OF A ROAD AND ANOTHER CITY, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A FIGHT TO GET ANYTHING DONE.
YOU KNOW, IF TWO CITIES ARE TRYING TO FUND SOMETHING, UM, THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, GROWTH IS GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE SMART.
SO, UM, I THINK I'M THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT IS ACTUALLY HAS A FENCE LINE THAT'S GONNA BE SHARED WITH US THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I DON'T NEED A NAME STORM TO FILL UP MY DITCH IN MY BACKYARD.
UH, THE DRAINAGE IS ATROCIOUS.
IN FACT, IF Y'ALL WANNA SEE, I'LL SHOW YOU PICTURES HERE.
UM, UH, I'VE ALMOST HAD THE, THE RAINWATER GO INTO MY, MY POOL.
SO, UH, IT'S A COMMON THING THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND START DRAINING OUR POOL ANYTIME WE GET A STRONG STORM.
'CAUSE MY BACKYARD IS GOING TO FILL UP.
UM, WE WERE NOT HERE FOR HARVEY, SO I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
UH, BUT I DID HEAR THAT WE DID HAVE WATER COMING UP INTO THE, INTO THE GARAGE.
THE OTHER POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS, UH, AS A FATHER, UH, 6 46, UH, I, I SAY THIS AS A FATHER OF A 15-YEAR-OLD WHO'S ABOUT TO BE 16, 6 46 IS BECOMING EXTREMELY DANGEROUS ROAD.
YOU START ADDING THAT EXTRA TRAFFIC INTO IT, TRYING TO GET OUT AND MAKE THAT LEFT TURN COMING OUTTA ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN GOING TOWARDS WALMART.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA START GETTING KILLED THERE.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD MUL MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH THE ADDITION OF THE BARRIERS THAT THAT DIVIDE THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.
SO, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE TO BE SOMETHING YOU'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH.
I LIVE AT, UM, THE CORNER OF BESS AND GIL, MY 10 ACRES THAT I OWN.
IT ADJOINS THE 10 ACRE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, I HAVE CERTAINLY ISSUES AND CONCERNS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS AS I STAND ON MY 10 ACRES AND I LOOK AROUND ME, I CAN'T IMAGINE 42 HOUSES AND A RETENTION POND AND A STREET BEING SHOVED INTO THAT SMALL AMOUNT OF PROPERTY.
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IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO BELIEVE.I I THINK THAT, UH, SOME SECOND THOUGHTS NEED TO BE GIVEN TO HOW WE'RE STACKING PEOPLE INTO A 10 ACRE TRACT OF PROPERTY.
UH, I OF COURSE AM ALSO, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODING.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF WATER THAT COMES DOWN BEST ROAD AND I, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A DETENTION POND PLANNED, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT IS, CAN BE VERY BIG IN THAT 10 ACRES.
UH, IT'S DOESN'T TAKE MUCH FOR THAT TO BE FILLED UP AND ALL THAT WATER START BACKING UP BECAUSE IT CAN'T GET INTO ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN FAST ENOUGH TO GET TO THEIR RETENTION POND, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THEY WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE.
I ALSO THINK THAT SOMEHOW RATHER WE HAVE DRASTICALLY, UH, UNDERVALUE UNDERESTIMATED THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GONNA CREATE HERE.
I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, UH, THIS SUBDIVISION WAS ABLE TO BE BUILT IS BECAUSE YOU ALL DEMANDED LEAGUE CITY TO PROVIDE A ROADWAY FOR THE SUBDIVISION FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS.
WELL, THEY DID THAT EXCEPT THEY STOPPED TOO SOON.
I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD GO BACK TO LEAGUE CITY AND SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE A ROADWAY THAT'S SAFE AND THAT WILL HANDLE THIS TRAFFIC LOAD OF 42 PEOPLE, PLUS YOU'RE PLANNING ON TAKING THE BARRICADE DOWN FROM ST.
EDMONDS GREEN, WHICH THEN BECOMES A CUT THROUGH FROM ST.
EDMONDS GREEN TO GILL ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THAT STREET.
RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT CURB AND GUTTERS, UH, ON HALF OF BEST ROAD.
THE REST OF IT, HE'S, UH, I GUESS GONNA RE ASPHALT IT.
AND YOU'LL HAVE, UH, AN ASPHALT STREET JUST LIKE A COUNTRY STREET IS RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH, UH, BAR DITCHES.
ONCE YOU GET TO GILL ROAD, YOU'VE GOT THE SAME PROBLEM.
AGAIN, GI ROAD WAS, UM, CONCRETED UP TO BEST ROAD, BUT ONCE YOU GET OFF OF THAT CONCRETE, ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE ON A SMALL MM-HMM
ASPHALT IS REALLY NOT A, A TWO WAY STREET.
AND ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC IS GONNA COME POURING THROUGH THE CUT THROUGH AND OUT OF THAT 42 HOMES.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF CARS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND WE ARE NOT, I BELIEVE, ABLE TO HANDLE ALL OF THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO LEAGUE CITY AND SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, LET'S IMPROVE VASTLY THIS WHOLE STRETCH OF ROAD THAT'S GONNA ACCOMMODATE THIS SUBDIVISION AND THE OPENING UP OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISION.
SO TRAFFIC DRAINAGE IS A BIG CONCERN, A HUGE CONCERN.
AND IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY HERE AND AFFECTS MY LONGHORNS IN THE BACKYARD, TRAMPING AROUND IN KNEE DEEP WATER.
THE LITTLE HORSES I HAVE TRAMPING AROUND AND WE FLOOD NOW AND THIS IS GONNA BE WORSE.
SO I ASK YOU PLEASE TO RECONSIDER WHAT IS GOING ON HERE WITH DRAINAGE AND WITH TRAFFIC.
LET'S GET, UH, MARK RODRIGUEZ.
DID I GET THE LAST NAME RIGHT, SIR? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M, UH, MARK RODRIGUEZ, UH, 2102 GIL ROAD.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED, UH, ON GILL FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS.
SO WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, OUR OLD HOUSE DID FLOOD DURING HARVEY AND SO WE DID NOT OWN IT AT THAT TIME.
BUT WE ARE VERY, VERY AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN ST.
SO WE'RE HIGHLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAME THINGS THAT JOE JUST BROUGHT UP.
OBVIOUSLY FLOODING, I WON'T TOUCH ON THAT ANYMORE.
MY LARGER CONCERN I LIVE ON GILL.
GILL IS AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.
IF YOU HAVEN'T LIVED ON GILL, IF YOU HAVEN'T SAT ON GILL, YOU WILL GET KILLED.
IF YOU'RE WALKING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE ARE SO MANY CARS THAT GO DOWN THERE 60 MILES AN HOUR ALL THE TIME.
THEY RUN THE, THEY RUN THE STOP SIGNS.
MY WIFE AND I, WE WALK EVERY NIGHT.
WE HAVE TO GO TO BEST IN ORDER TO WALK.
IT IS VERY DANGEROUS TO GET OUT ONTO 6 46.
WE NEED TO HOLD, I KNOW IT'S THE LEAGUE CITY SIDE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, BUT EGRESS OUT TO 6 46 REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
THAT IS NOT A SUFFICIENT OUTLET FOR ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS BEHIND US BECAUSE ALL OF THAT AREA ALL COMES OUT ON GILL.
THEY DON'T GO OUT TO TO HIGHWAY THREE OR, OR IF THEY DO, WE'RE STILL SEEING A HIGH LEVEL OF TRAFFIC.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I'D LIKE THE DEVELOPER TO SPEAK TO, I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY CATCH WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'M ON WCID NUMBER ONE, WATER.
MY WATER PRESSURE IS ADEQUATE AND IT MEETS REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I AM CONCERNED IF THEY TAP INTO OUR WATER AND OUR SEWER LINES AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO OR WHAT KIND
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OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA BE MADE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXISTING PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE STREET DON'T SUFFER ANY ILL FATE FROM THAT KIND OF BUILD OUT.CAN I GET, UH, GLENNON, KREITZ? I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO THE LAWYER.
AND FORGIVE ME KEITH PETERS, I SKIPPED OVER YOU.
UH, PAUL AND PAUL AND OKAY, SORRY DEBORAH.
THAT'S MY LAST NAME, BUT I'M FOR THE NEXT TOPIC FOR SEVEN D.
I'M VIVIAN TOMLINSON WITH TREE'S LAW FIRM.
I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I REPRESENT THE ST.
EDMONDS GREEN, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD, A LOT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODING WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DO NOT WANT, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT TO TIE INTO OR DRAIN INTO THEIR DETENTION PONDS THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM NUMEROUS, AND YOU HAVE ALSO THAT A LOT OF THEM HAVE FLOODED IN THE PAST.
AND IF MORE HOMES ARE BROUGHT IN AND AS FAR AS IF HE, THEY'RE TYING IN OR DRAINING INTO THEIR DETENTION PONDS THAT ARE ON THE COMMON, COMMON AREAS OF ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, THERE ARE CONCERNED THAT IT'S JUST GONNA BRING ON MORE FLOODING.
UM, MARK NIKKER CAN SPEAK MORE TO THIS.
UM, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM IF HE'S NEXT ON THE LIST.
IS HE HE IS NEXT ON THE LIST, MA'AM.
CAN I STAY UP HERE WITH YOU? IF YOU WANT ME TO STAY? SURE.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT NOW FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS THERE.
I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR PROBABLY 15 YEARS OFF AND ON DIFFERENT POSITIONS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE REALLY WELL.
WE'VE TRIED TO GO BEHIND THE HOMES THAT BUTT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY AND WE CLEARED SOME OF IT TO GET SOME KIND OF WAY TO CLEAR THE DITCHES.
BUT WHEN YOU GET ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE FENCES ARE BASICALLY CONJOINED TOGETHER.
SO WE HAVE NO WAY TO EVEN GET TO IT.
AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE DRAINAGE, NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S GONNA COME FROM TARGET SOUTH, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA COME THAT WAY.
SOME OF IT GOES INTO THE RETENTION POND WITH ONLY ONE EXIT, WITH TWO ENTRANCES AND ONLY ONE EXIT.
THE OTHER SIDE GOES AROUND THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S A DRAIN IN THE FAR CORNER THAT HAS NO WAY TO GET, TEND TO, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO IT.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM 'CAUSE THAT HOLDS WATER.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S PROBABLY 10 INCHES OF WATER SITTING THERE JUST FROM THE LITTLE BIT OF RAIN WE GOT.
SO WITH DRAINAGE MOVING FORWARD, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF BOX DRAIN TO GET IT OUT OF THERE AND SEND IT OUT TOWARDS RODEO BEND.
AND NOT ALL THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH FLOODED.
SE 75% OF DICKINSON FLOODED, BUT HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE WATER STANDS BEHIND IT.
IT, IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE, ONLY ON THE RETENTION POND.
AND IF, UH, THE BAYOU THAT RUNS DOWN RODEO BIN IS FULL, THEN NOTHING MOVES.
SO ALL THE WATER THAT COMES FROM TARGET ALL COMES UP AND JUST SITS.
SO AGAIN, I MEAN, WE CAN'T STOP IT.
WE JUST WANNA BE PART OF IT AND THAT WAY WE DON'T GET LEFT BEHIND.
SO I'M GONNA LET THE FLOODING THING GO 'CAUSE THEY'VE NAILED THAT PRETTY GOOD TONIGHT.
THE OTHER THING WE HAVE IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGES.
OUR HOUSES HAVE ABUNDANT SQUARE FOOTAGES.
THE LOTS ARE 65, 70 FOOT LONG.
NOW WE'RE GONNA SHRINK 'EM DOWN AND STILL BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S NOT GONNA GO WELL WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR HOUSE APPRAISED.
AND HALF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ONE SIZE AND THE OTHER HALF'S THE OTHER SIZE.
SO I THINK IF IT'S GONNA BE A JOINT TO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE EQUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND LOT SIZE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS A WILDLIFE SURVEY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THERE WAS ANOTHER DEER JUST KILLED.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BALD EAGLE THAT WAS SPOTTED WITHIN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
SO HAS ANYBODY EVEN WENT IN THERE TO SEE WHAT THERE IS BEFORE YOU GO IN THERE AND START CHASING EVERYTHING OUT? UM, COYOTES, BOBCATS, HAWKS, EAGLES, OWLS, OWLS.
WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SPECIES OF OWLS IN THERE.
SO TRUST ME, THERE'S A LOT IN THERE.
AND JUST TO GO IN THERE AND JUST START HACKING IT DOWN WITHOUT
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EVEN GETTING ANY KIND OF WILDLIFE SURVEY, I THINK IS KIND OF IGNORANT ON THAT PART.I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE 18 WHEELERS COMING THROUGH WITH LUMBER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONCRETE TRUCKS LINING UP.
WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? THEY'RE GONNA SIT ON GILL.
THEY'RE GONNA SIT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE ON ST.
WHAT IS GONNA BE THE PROCESS OF THE BUILD? SO IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD, IF HE'S GONNA BUILD, AND LIKE ED SAID, MIKE BUILDS GREAT HOMES.
SO WE JUST WANNA BE PROCESS OF IT, BE A PROCESS OF IT.
SORRY, I'M NOT A GREAT SPEAKER, BUT I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS.
UM, THE LOT SIZES IS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN TOO.
UM, CONSTANCE, UM, UH, AL EZ ALVAREZ.
YEAH, WE, WE AGREED WITH WHAT'S BEEN STATED BEFORE.
VERY WELL BY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM.
THIS IS ALMOST A GAME FOR ME AT THIS POINT, TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY'S NAMES RIGHT.
I DON'T ENVY YOU THAT JOB
APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, DIFFERENT.
EDMONDS CROSSING, AND I BACK UP TO THE WOODS AND DEFINITELY THERE'S LIKE A SHALLOW DITCH IN THE BACK OF MY YARD.
AND THERE HAD AND GOES ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF ALL THESE HOUSES AND THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE HOUSES ALONG THERE HAVE FLOODED.
NOT FROM HURRICANE HARVEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
JUST FROM THE, SIMPLY FROM THE RAINS AND JUST NOT BEING, UM, I DON'T THINK IT WAS VERY WELL DESIGNED FROM WHAT I CAN BEST I CAN SEE.
AND THE HOA HAD TO GO IN AND, UH, DO SOME WORK IN THERE TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM.
SO JUST, UM, ALONG THE LINE OF, UH, JUST THE, HOW THE WATER IS LOOKED AT AS A RUNOFF, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS OVERLOOKED FROM THE LAST TIME, UH, THIS WAS APPROVED ON.
AND JUST LIKE MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT'S DONE IS ONE LEGAL AND TWO, UH, ETHICAL AND WHICH I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL MAKE SURE THAT'S DONE.
LET'S GET, UH, ALEX, I AGREE WITH THE MARK AND THE LAWYER, OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND MR. LEE WALTON LEE, YOUR LAST OF THE MOHICANS.
I, I RESIDE AT 1125 BEST ROAD.
UH, THAT IS THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ST.
UH, BASICALLY I CAN WALK OUTTA MY FRONT DOOR AND SEE THE BACK WALL OF, OF HOME DEPOT AND TARGET.
UM, WHEN HURRICANE HARVEY OR WHEN HARVEY CAME THROUGH OUR STREET DID NOT FLOOD, BUT THE DITCHES WERE UP TO THE STREET LEVEL.
UH, MANY TIMES I'VE CALLED CITY, UH, THE CITY OF DICKINSON AND LAKE CITY AND COMPLAINED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.
MY SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS BEHIND, UH, I'M ON THE 6 46, MY BACKYARD'S UP 6 46, UH, WHEN IT RAINS, NOT EVEN A HARD, HARD RAIN, BUT WHEN THE, THE DITCHES GET FULL OF WATER, MY SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE DITCHES ARE AT THE TOP, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY'RE ABOUT HALF FULL.
AND I'VE CALLED AND COMPLAINED.
THEY'VE COME OUT AND DUG THE DITCHES OUT TO MAKE 'EM DEEPER.
UH, SO THAT'S MY PART ON THE DRAINAGE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, THE INTERSECTION OF GILL ROAD AND BEST ROADS SEVERAL YEARS BACK, THEY PUT STOP SIGNS THERE ON GILL.
OKAY? THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN STOP SIGNS AT THE BEST INTERSECTION.
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME THAT LIVE ANYWHERE AROUND THERE CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE VEHICLES THAT DON'T EVEN STOP AT THAT INTERSECTION ON GILL ROAD.
I GET UP AND GO TO WORK AT FIVE IN THE MORNING AND I'M USUALLY HOME BY TWO 30 AND I'M WALKING MY DOGS AND I CAN STAND AT THE END OF MY DRIVEWAY FROM FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TILL I LEAVE.
AND I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TILL SEVEN.
IF YOU GO COME AND SIT IN MY DRIVEWAY, I WILL LET YOU PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY, TURN YOUR LIGHTS OFF AND SIT THERE FOR 10 MINUTES AND LOOK AT THESE VEHICLES, RUN THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN.
I'VE CALLED LAKE CITY POLICE, ASKED THEM TO COME AND DO THE SAME.
I'M TOLD YOU CAN GET ON THE WEBSITE AND FILL OUT A FORM.
THAT'S JUST REALLY, I MEAN, COME ON.
WE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
WE'RE ALL RELYING ON, WE'RE A ROBOT TO THE INTERNET.
CAN'T MAKE A PHONE CALL ANYMORE.
UH, MY NEXT POINT, UH, ALL THIS TRAFFIC GOING TO 6 46, 1 OF THE OTHER GENTLEMEN SPOKE AND SAID HOW DANGER IT IS TO GET OUT THERE AND MAKE A LEFT TURN EVEN FOR ME.
AND I'M A, I'M A PRETTY GOOD DRIVER.
UH, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY, UH, FUTURE PLANS TO INSTALL A RED LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION? YOU KNOW, LET'S STOP 6 46 PEOPLE, LET PEOPLE OFF OF GILL ROAD.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT LIGHTS AT HIGHWAY THREE.
WHY CAN'T WE DO IT RIGHT THERE AT THAT, YOU AND JEFF'S CAR WASH.
UH, THERE'S TIMES YOU SIT AT THAT STOP SIGN AND TRY AND
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MAKE A LEFT OR RIGHT HAND TURN.THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE CARS IN FRONT OF YOU.
THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO TAKE A CHANCE TO GET OUT ON THAT ROAD.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A STOPLIGHT PUT UP.
MR. LEE WAS THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST.
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK THAT'S NOT SIGNED? GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP? WELL, I'LL FORGIVE YOU THIS TIME.
UM,
UH, I HAPPEN TO BACK UP TO THIS PROPERTY.
I HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS WITH IT.
UM, ONE, I HAVE THE ENTIRE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT FOR POWER LINES, WHATEVER ELSE IS BACK THERE.
I KNOW ALL THE WATER AND STUFF'S UP FRONT.
UH, I HAVE THAT, ALL OF THAT ON MY PROPERTY.
UM, THE WAY THAT HE BUILT THE DRAINAGE, THERE'S ABOUT A FOUR FOOT DROP FROM WHERE MY, UH, YARD IS DOWN THROUGH THE DITCH.
THAT'S PART OF THE DRAINAGE THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO DRAIN AROUND THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AROUND THE BACK CORNER AND THEN GO INTO, AT A CORNER ON, WE HAVE TO GO BACK THERE AND CUT A FENCE TO CLEAN IT OUT SO IT'LL DRAIN, UM, THE WILDLIFE PIECE OF IT.
UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, THIS HADN'T BEEN MAINTAINED AT ALL.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS.
HE'S MOWED AT ONE TIME AND THE ONE TIME HE MOWED, EVERYBODY THAT I KNOW THAT I TALKED TO UP AND DOWN THE STREET HAD PROBLEMS WITH SNAKES, RATS, ALL KIND OF BUSINESS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND NOT LIKE WATER, SNAKES, COPPERHEADS, COTTON MOUTH.
WE GOT RATS ALL IN THE BACKYARDS.
UM, SO WHENEVER HE COMES AND DOES, WHEN HE CLEARS THIS OUT, WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO TO REMEDIATE THAT? UM, DRAINAGE.
UH, THE OTHER PIECE, THE FENCES.
HOW TALL ARE THE PRIVACY FENCES GONNA BE? BECAUSE I CAN STAND FLAT FOOTED ON MY BACK PORCH AND SEE OVER MY FENCE, WHICH IS CUT DOWN 'CAUSE I LIKE TO WATCH THE DEER.
AND I MEAN, Y'ALL COULD COME STAND AND LOOK OVER THE TOP OF IT AND IT, BECAUSE IT'S SO LOW BECAUSE THE WAY HE HAS A DRAINAGE, BECAUSE IF HE PUT THE FENCES UP IT ON THE SIDE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, THE BACKYARD WOULD BE ABOUT FROM ME TO YOU.
SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THE FENCES BACK THERE? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THESE NEW LITTLE HOUSES LOOKING IN MY BACKYARD.
UH, THEY, THEY BROUGHT UP THE PIECE ABOUT THE ANIMALS BACK THERE.
THERE'S, WE, WE'VE HAD OWLS NEST ON THERE, NOT NESTS.
COYOTES, BOBCATS, TON OF DEER.
THAT'S A BIG PASSAGE WAVE FOR THE DEER.
UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING, JUST THE RODENT ISSUE, IF HE GOES BACK THERE AND CLEARS THAT PLACE OUT 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.
SO THEY'RE COMING INTO OUR BACKYARDS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
WHERE IS THAT GOING? WHERE IS THAT RETENTION POND DRAINED TO? I MEAN, MY HOUSE FLOODED.
I MOVED IN A YEAR AFTER I'VE BEEN THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS.
I'VE HAD WATER UP DAMN NEAR TO MY BACK PORCH ON SOME GOOD RAINS.
WE'VE HAD, LET ALONE A BIG STORM COME THROUGH AND THEN HAVE HAD TO GO AROUND AND CUT A FENCE AND GET IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD TO GO CLEAN OFF THE DRAIN.
LIKE IT'S A ATROCIOUS DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HE'S GONNA DO ABOUT THAT AND HOW ARE WE GONNA REMEDY THAT AND DO I GET TO KEEP A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE EASEMENTS ON MY PROPERTY OR IS ANY OF IT GONNA COME BACK ONTO THIS ONE WHERE I HAVE MORE ROOM TO BUILD BACK IF I WANT TO BUILD A POOL IN MY BACKYARD? I, I COULDN'T PUT A POOL BACK THERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, THAT WAS THE END OF THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, SIR, DO YOU WISH TO, UH, RESPOND TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS? TURN HIS MIC UP SO WE CAN HEAR HIM.
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EVENING.UM, I'M MIKE BENDER AND WE'RE THE APPLICANT FOR THE SANCTUARY.
EDMUND'S GREEN, WHICH IS WHERE, UM, SEE THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL THE COMMENTS AND THE CONCERNS AND, UH, WE LOVE THAT SUBDIVISION.
WE BUILT IT WITH A LOT OF INTEGRITY AND UH, I KNOW ALL THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE PROUD OF THEIR HOMES BECAUSE WE WERE PROUD TO BUILD IT FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM.
UH, THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE DID THAT THROUGH OUR ENGINEERING.
UH, THE DRAINAGE WAS ALWAYS WHEN BEST ROAD BEFORE WE EVEN SHOWED UP AND PUT IN ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, THE DRAINAGE ALWAYS CAME DOWN FROM BEST ROAD AND THEN WENT ACROSS THE ACREAGE OF WHICH NOW SITS ST.
WHEN WE ENGINEERED THAT AND BUILT IT AND THEN PUT IT IN AND THEN BUILT THE HOUSES, WE MAY WERE TOLD BY DICKINSON THAT WE HAD TO DRAIN THIS ROAD INTO THAT TO MEET BEN AND GULLY, WHICH WE DID.
AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE HAD OUR ENGINEERS, THEY DESIGNED THE LAND DESIGN TO OVER-ENGINEER THE DRAINAGE.
SO WE HAD A LOT OF CREDITS FOR OVER-ENGINEERING THAT NOW WITH THIS SANCTUARY TOO, IT'S ONLY 42 LOTS.
THE CONCERN THAT THE HOA MAN STATED ABOUT, WELL THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE, THE HOUSES AND THAT ARE GONNA BE A DIFFERENT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE GONNA BE BUILT TO THAT SAME STANDARD.
THEY'RE GONNA BE BUILT TO THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE BUILT IN ST.
EDMOND'S, SAME PRODUCT, PROBABLY EVEN BETTER.
SO, UM, ON ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO HERE, I'M GONNA LET THE ENGINEER AND I KNOW THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE APPROVED IT WITHOUT MEETING ALL THOSE CONCERNS.
WE WERE VERY ADAMANT ABOUT MEETING THOSE CONCERNS.
UH, THE ENGINEER'S GONNA COME UP HERE AND TAKE YOU THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THE WATER ON JUST THE RAW LAND OR BEST ROAD, WHEN WE PUT THAT IN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DIFFERENT.
IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME DISPLACEMENT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE WATER GOING IN THE ST MONDS THAN IT'S GOING INTO IT RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND WE HAVE PROOF TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PROOF NOT JUST EMOTIONALITY IN THAT, BUT WE HAVE MATHEMATICAL PROOF AND ENGINEERING TO DO THAT.
THE CITY BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD'VE NEVER APPROVED THESE PLANS WITHOUT THAT.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THE ENGINEER TO COME AND EXPLAIN ALL OF THAT TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THOSE CONCERNS.
RESPECTFULLY, I THINK THE ENGINEERS
I KNOW MY, MY VOICE IS W***E, SO IF YOU DON'T UNDER UNDERSTAND IT, NO HEARING IT SUCCINCTLY, MY ASSOCIATE WILL REPEAT IT.
UM, AND UM, SO THE TRAFFIC DRAINAGE ELEVATIONS ARE REAL ISSUE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REGISTERING SEVEN STATES, BEEN PRACTICING FOR 35 YEARS.
EVERY SUBDIVISION THAT WE COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALWAYS NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
UM, I'M A OWNER HOMEOWNER THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED FLOODING AND HARVEY AND I EMPATHIZE WITH ALL THE HOMEOWNERS.
ONE THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY IN TERMS OF PROCESSES IS THAT THERE ARE TWO STEPS WE'RE HERE BEFORE THIS BODY TO GET A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY REQUIRES THAT WE MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS
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THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.NUMBER TWO, THAT THE LOT WIDTH AND LENGTH AND SQUARE FOOTAGE MEETS THE ZONING CRITERIA.
UH, NUMBER THREE, THAT WATER AND SEW CAPACITY EXIST WITH THE CID AND THE BIGGEST SOCIETY IS A CONSULTANT HDR THAT PERFORM CITYWIDE MODELING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE FIRE AND DOMESTIC DOMESTIC PRESSURE.
AND LASTLY, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC INGRESS, EGRESS, THAT WE MEET THE STANDARD 28 FOOT WIDE SUBDIVISION.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE ISSUES WITH GI ROAD, WHICH IS IN THE ANOTHER CITY, UH, WHERE IT SITS.
BUT I'LL ADDRESS THAT LITTLE BOW AS WE GO THROUGH THE LIST.
CURRENTLY THE 10 ACRES AND, AND LET ME SORT OF PREFACE THAT.
THE DRAINAGE DESIGN, THE TRAFFIC DESIGN, WATER, SEWER DESIGN, TECHNICAL CONSTRUCTION, THE DESIGN SURFACE ARE ONLY DONE AFTER THE PRELIMINARY P IS APPROVED.
AND WHY IS THAT? A LANDOWNER HAS A VACANT 10 ACRE TRACK UNTIL HE IS VESTED BY PRELIMINARY
BUT THIS BODY, NORMALLY THERE'S NO USE TO SPEND ENGINEERING AND TECHNICAL DOLLARS TO DO THIS ANALYSIS.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE, THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CITY REQUIRED US TO PERFORM WATER SEWER DRAINAGE ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLA.
EDMOND GREEN WAS DESIGNED, THE DETENTION POND BASED ON THE APPROVED ENGINEERING PLAN AND, AND SUBJECT AND VERIFICATION THAT WE HAVE DONE, THERE IS 13.68 ACRES OFFITE THAT IS SLATED TO DRAIN INTO THE EXISTING POND.
AND THERE IS A FLOW RATE OF 13.68 CFS QUB P PER SECOND.
OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM CAPTURE ALL THE EXISTING DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT INCREASES TO THE POST-DEVELOPMENT.
AND I WANT TO GET INTO TWO TECHNICAL NUMBERS, BUT 0.3 30% IMPERVIOUS TO 85% TO 90% IMPERVIOUS.
THAT DRAINAGE IS CAPTURED INTO OUR DETENTION POND.
AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES OUT FROM THE POND IS EQUAL TO LESS THAN PRE-DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS NET ZERO IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TYING INTO SEE ZERO, INCREASE IN FLOW RATE BECAUSE WE HAVE RESTRICTORS THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE AT THE DETENTION BOND.
NOW THOSE DRAWINGS WILL BE DEVELOPED IN DETAIL SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW FOR THE CITY, CITY AS ANOTHER PRIVATE CONSULTING FIRM, ATCO, WHO DOES THE MODELING INDEPENDENT OF US TO VERIFY OUR ENGINEERING COMPUTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, SO TO VET US IN TERMS OF THE TECHNICAL STUFF, THERE'S STEP TWO THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.
SO IN, SO IN TERMS OF THE ELEVATIONS, THE BUILDINGS WILL BUILDING WILL SIT AS REQUIRED BY CODE 18 INCHES ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
THIS IS WHERE IT'S REQUIRED US TO SIT, THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING WILL BE SET.
BUT CURRENTLY, BASED ON OUR OFFSITE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS, WHICH CONSISTS OF WATER THAT ALONG THE IDE OF THE EXISTING ST MAN GREEN SUBDIVISION, IT DRAINS INTO OUR BACKYARD.
SO TO, TO ADDRESS THAT, WE'RE NOT RAISING THE ELEVATION ALONG THE BACKYARD.
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WE HAVE STORM STORY INLETS ON IT EVERY SINGLE LOT, UH, TO PICK UP THE DRAINAGE FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY PIPE IT, PIPE IT BEHIND IT AND DRAIN IT TO THE BEST ROAD.SO WE'RE NOT BLOCKING ADJACENT DRAINAGE, WE'RE PICKING IT UP.
OUR DETENTION IS SIZED FOR NOT WHEN THE ST.
GREEN SUBDIVISION WILL BUILT 10 YEARS, AL WE'RE CURRENTLY AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AFTER HARVEY, DRAINAGE CRITERIA WERE INCREASED ONE AND A HALF TO TWO TIMES IN TERMS OF PIPE SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'RE WE'RE HOLDING WATER TO TODAY'S STANDARDS AND DISCHARGING AT A RATE THAT WAS EQUAL TO WHEN STAYING ON MY QUEENS WAS BUILT.
SO THERE ARE ZERO IMPACT ON IT AND I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENT WHO MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON GILS ROAD.
UM, OUR OBLIGATION IS, I MEAN, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE PERHAPS ON THIS, WE CAN'T SOLVE THE CITY'S PROBLEMS. UM, WE WERE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE TRAFFIC DATA ANALYSIS BASED ON INSTITUTIONAL TRANSPORTATION TRIP GENERATION THAT WE HAVE PERFORMED FOR THE 42 LOTS.
AND THAT'S SPILL ONTO BEST ROAD.
I AGREE THAT GILS ROAD NEEDS TO BE WIDENED BY LAKE CITY.
IT NEEDS TO BE THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO WIDEN TO A STANDARD 28 FOR Y CARBON GUTTER SECTION THAT CONNECTS TO 6 46.
UM, AGAIN, THAT TYPE OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS DESIGN CAN ONLY OCCUR WHEN, WHEN THE DEVELOPER IS VESTED WITH THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UH, WITHOUT THIS PLAT APPROVAL, THE ENGINEERING DESIGN DOESN'T GO FORWARD AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVING THE PLAT IS NOT ALL THE TECHNICAL DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
IT'S DO WE MEET THE SUBDIVISION CRITERIA FOR PLATING THE SUBDIVISION.
REGARDS TO REGARDS TO THE COMMENT ABOUT BEST ROAD BEING IN HALF IN THE BY DICKINSON AND HALF IN THE, UH, LAKE CITY.
THE STRO LIES ENTIRELY IN LAKE CITY FOR THE SEGMENT THAT, THAT IN FRONT OF OUR SUBDIVISION, THE MAINTAINANCE RESPONSIBILITY IS BY LAKE CITY.
WE HAD VETTED, VETTED THAT DURING THE ROAD, UH, STRO DESIGN PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO LAKE CITY IN CURRENT DESIGN THAT WE HAVE WHEN THE PASS ROUTE HAS IMPROVED TO A 2028 FOOT WIDE CURB GUTTER SECTION WHERE IT TERMINATES TO THE NORTH, WE ARE, WE HAVE A ASPHALT TRANSITION TO GILS ROAD AND I CONCEDE THAT SECTION IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH.
AS FAR AS ON MY NOTES, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE, THE QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED, I'LL WELCOME A RESTATEMENT
UH, AFTER WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU AND OTHERS AT THAT POINT.
UH, ARE YOU COMPLETED, SIR? THAT'S THE LIST I GOT.
THAT BEING SAID, UH, WE WILL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, NO SIR, I I DON'T GET TO DO THAT AGAIN.
WE WE'RE GONNA GO, WE'RE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL GO TO THE COMMISSION, WE, UH, GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ALL OF US AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS IT AT THAT POINT.
THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SEVEN 30 AND THEN MOVE ON TO, I LOST IT FOR A SECOND.
UH, MOVING ON TO SIDE, UH, ITEM.
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NO, THAT'S NOT IT.SEVEN B, SEVEN B CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERN, A REQUEST TO APPROVE THE SANCTUARY.
SECTION TWO, PRELIMINARY PLAT BEING APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES LOCATED AT 1600 BEST ROAD AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 19 PER AUSTIN SURROUNDING LOTS 45 0 DASH ZERO DICKINSON.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA TAKE A SECOND TO JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN TO SOME OF YOU GUYS HOW THIS WORKS.
WHENEVER SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO LET EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
UH, IT'S A PROCESS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THIS IS ALL PART OF THE LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY.
WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE MAPS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE DO NOT GET TO BASICALLY INTERACT DURING THAT BECAUSE THIS, THAT MOMENT IS ACTUALLY FOR YOU GUYS FOR THE MOST PART.
NOW THE FOLLOWING PART THAT I JUST READ IS TALKING ABOUT ITEM SEVEN B.
THIS IS WHERE THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS EVERYTHING WE JUST HEARD, EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE SAID.
AND THEN WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND LET ME EMPHASIZE AGAIN, THE COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.
WE ARE NOT FINAL IF WE'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
IT'S STILL UP TO THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
UH, THEY HAVE DISAGREED WITH US BEFORE.
SOMETIMES THEY AGREE, SOMETIMES THEY DISAGREE.
SO ULTIMATELY, IF ANYBODY HERE DOESN'T LIKE THE FINAL RESULT, BY ALL MEANS PLEASE PAY ATTENTION AND, AND COME SEE THE COUNCILMAN TOO.
OKAY? AS WITH THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I OPEN THE FLOOR TO A CONVERSATION.
UM, THE RETENTION, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU INDICATED ZERO IMPACT, ET CETERA, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE YOU, ARE YOU PLANNING TO, UH, DO THE RETENTION TO THE EXISTING RETENTION AREA? ON, ON THE, OUR RETENTION IS ON SITE ON THE 10 ACRE TRACK.
SO YOU HAVE A RETENTION IN THE, IN THE AREA THAT'S THERE, THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? YES.
WILL YOU PULL THE MAP UP AGAIN MA'AM? SO ARE YOU TYING INTO THAT POD OR ARE YOU MAKING A COMPLETELY NEW ONE? WE HAVE A COMPLETELY NEW ONE.
SO EVERYBODY CLEAR? OKAY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IS THAT RESERVE A ON THIS DRAWING HERE? YES IT IS.
AND IT'S NOT TIED INTO THE OTHER ONE AT ALL.
IT IS TIED INTO THE OTHER ONE.
I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU.
OKAY, I'M SORRY I CUT YOU OFF.
THE SUBDIVISION HAS A DETENTION ON SITE ON THE 10 ACRE TRACK.
THEN IT LET IT OUT AT THE DEVELOPMENT PRE-DEVELOPMENT RATE.
RIGHT NOW, THE 10 ACRE DRAINS ONTO BEST ROAD AND GOES INTO THE EXISTING POND.
OUR WATER THAT COMES FROM OUR POND WILL DRAIN AT THE SAME RATE TO THE POND, TO THE EXISTING STOMP SEWER.
THAT WAS A, THE QUESTION IF IT, IF THEY TIED TOGETHER AND YES, THEY DO.
SHOULD I STAY UP HERE? WILL, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, SINCE IT NOW SHARE IS GOING TO SHARE THE SAME RETENTION POND, WHAT IMP IT DOES NOT SHARE THE SAME RETENTION POND? LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN IT.
IT'S TIED IN, IT HAS A SO EN ROUTE, SO IF I MAY EXPLAIN IT, IF THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER, THAT MEANS THEY'RE THE SAME.
SO WATER GOES UP, WATER GOES DOWN, IT GOES TO THE SAME POND.
WHAT, WHAT IMPROVEMENT IS GOING TO CREATE THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT CURRENTLY IS THERE THAN WHAT YOU'RE ADDING TO IT? WHAT'S GONNA IMPROVE THAT? RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 10 ACRES OF UNIMPROVED LAND THAT CURRENTLY DRAINS TOWARDS THAT DETENTION POND.
WE'RE DIGGING A EIGHT FOOT DEEP POND, THEN HOLDING OUR WATER INTO THAT POND.
AND WHEN THAT, WHEN THE RADIO WATER COMES OUT OF OUR POND IS SAME RATE AS, AS IF WE WERE NOT, WE HADN'T DEVELOPED IT.
SO IT'S THE SAME WATER THAT CURRENTLY GOING INTO THAT POND IS THE SAME, RESULTING AFTER WE FINISHED THE SUBDIVISION.
IS THE ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS BEHIND YOU HAVE YES.
IS HOW CAN YOU IMPROVE WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE? YOU'RE THE SAME BUILDER, SAME EVERYTHING.
THEY'RE AFRAID WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THE, THE SAME RESULTS GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY, IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD.
SO THE THE FEAR IS 10 YEARS FROM NOW THIS SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO LIKE WHEN THIS, 'CAUSE PART OF THE CONCERN THEY HAVE IS HAVING ACCESS TO THEIR CURRENT
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YES.DRAINAGE RETENTION TO EVEN BE ABLE TO CLEAN IT AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT.
YEAH, I, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
THAT SHOULD GO INTO THE PLANNING OF THE PLAT.
AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THIS PLAT, IS THAT WE'RE HAPPEN TO WIDEN BENSON BAYOU.
THERE IS A GL FUNDED PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
THE DESIGN ENGINEERS, HE WITH CELL, THEY ARE WIDENING BENSON BAYOU FROM OUR AREA, OUR SITE SOUTH.
AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO WIDEN TO THE NORTH SIDE.
SO, SO WHEN OUR PROJECT IS COMPLETE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE CAPACITY IN BENSON BAYOU.
CURRENTLY WE'RE TAKING OUT 21,000 CUBIC YARDS IN BAYOU.
AGAIN, YOU DON'T SEE THIS IN THE PRELIMINARY PLA BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN DESIGN PHASE.
YOU GOOD WILL, BY THE WAY, WE CAN COME BACK AROUND.
SO PHIL, I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ELEVATION.
HOW ARE THEY GONNA COMPARE WITH THE ELEVATION TO THE LOTS THAT ARE THERE ALREADY IN THE OTHER SUB ADJACENT SUBDIVISION? AND ALSO WHAT'S THE DRAINAGE PATH FOR THESE, UH, RETENTION PONDS ONCE THEY FELL UP? HOW DID THEY FIND THEIR WAY? HOW DID THEY FIND THEIR WAY TO A CANAL OR THE BAYOU? THERE ARE NO, I DON'T SEE ANY DRAWINGS AT ALL OF, UH, THE WATER FLOW.
AGAIN, THE, THE DETAIL ENGINEERING DRAWING WILL BE DONE AT, AT THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT STAGE, THE, THE PLA PLANNING STAGES TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON, ON OVERALL PLAN.
BUT I CAN ADDRESS IT ON BACK OF, ON THE SCREEN THERE.
SO, SO ALL THESE STORM SEWER FROM THE SITE IS CAPTURED BY INLET AND PIPES AND GOES INTO THE TENSION POND YOU SEE BEHIND YOU.
THEN ONCE, ONCE THE, THE POND LEAVES, THERE'S AN EXISTING STOMP SEWER THAT IS STEPPED OUT FROM THE EXISTING BEST ROAD AND TIES INTO THAT STORM SEWER.
THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES TO THAT, THAT STORM SEWER IS SAME AS WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE UN UNDEVELOPED 10 ACRE TRACT.
AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE HAVE A PIPE THAT RESTRICTS, SO MAJORITY OF THE PIPES IN THE SUBDIVISION ARE 24 INCHES WIDE.
WHEN IT COMES OUT FROM THE DETENTION POND.
THERE IS A RESTRICTOR THAT IS SIX INCHES IN DIAMETER AND WATER TRICKLES THROUGH THAT.
SO THE, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE, THE RATE THAT IT HITS THE, THE, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION IN, IN LINE WITH FILLS HERE, ARE YOU SAYING BOTH OF THE DEFENSE PONDS ARE GOING TO DRAIN INTO BENSON BAYOU? YES, IT DOES.
SO IT DRAINS TO THE EAST TO, UH, BENSON BAYOU.
SO THE NEW ONE IS GONNA FLOW INTO THE OLD ONE AND THE OLD ONE'S GONNA FLOW INTO BENSON BAYOU.
YOU'RE DOING AN EXPANSION ON NORTHERN BENSON BAYOU TO CLEAR IT OUT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, THE DRAINAGE THAT GOES FROM THE POND TO THE DOCK TO THE BAYOU.
AND I DUNNO WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU KNOW, IS THAT BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE? OKAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING I CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE? UH, CAN WE PULL UP A KIND OF GOOGLE'S MAP OF ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN? I THINK OUR STAFF OUGHT TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
SURELY THEY'VE LOOKED AT THAT.
SO THAT BODY OF WATER TO THE RIGHT, THAT IS THE CURRENT DETENTION POND FOR ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN IT IT, BEHIND IT IS THE BENSON BAYOU ON THE EAST SIDE, CORRECT? YES.
SO THERE IS A, UM, GLO CONTRACT THAT THE CITY HAS ENGAGED THE REGIONAL IMPROVEMENT OF BENSON BAYOU.
BENSON BAYOU IN BENSON BAYOU DUMPS INTO DICKINSON BAYOU.
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COMING UP NORTH TO BENSON BAYOU, THEIR SCOPES STOPS APPROXIMATELY WHERE OUR PROJECT ENDS.AND WE'VE COORDINATED WITH LER MIKE RAZZI, THE HYDROLOGIST, WHERE THEY'RE TAKING OUR VOLUMES AND PUTTING INTO THE MODEL AND PREPARING A DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THERE IS ZERO RISE IN WATER SURFACE ELEVATION WHEN NOT PASSING BY YOU.
SO, SO, SO PART OF THIS PROJECT IS WE'RE, WE'RE CONNECTED TO THE REGIONAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT, BUT THERE'LL BE NO IMPROVEMENT.
YOU'RE BRINGING A PROJECT IN, BUT THERE'S ZERO RISE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT HELPING ANY MORE THAN HAVING LESS, I MEAN, THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER FLOWING? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE HELPING THE OVERALL DRAINAGE IN ST.
EDMONDS GREEN DETENTION POND BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT TRADES IT BEST IN BAYOU.
AS A VERY LIMITED CAPACITY, WE'RE GONNA BE BENCHING THAT WIDE OPEN, SO THERE'S MORE ROOM FOR WATER TO, TO RISE IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, CREEK RATHER THAN BACKING BACK INTO THE DETENTION POND.
SO YOU SAY YOU'RE IMPROVING IT AND IT'LL BE LESS WATER IN THERE.
'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOUR, I'M SORRY.
THERE'LL BE LESS WATER OR MORE FLOWING OUT OF, YEAH.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS A WATER SURFACE ELEVATION IN THIS POND AND IT'S, AND IT'S A WET POND AND THERE HAS HIGHER INTENSITY.
SO AS A CREEK RISES, THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO EXCEPT BACK INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
WHAT I'M ASKING YOU, YOU'RE SAY YOU'RE APPROVING IT SO THE WATER FLOWS WILL FLOW MORE INTO BENSON BAYOU, BUT THAT'S CORRECT, CORRECT? YES.
SO WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING IN TO DRAIN MORE, BECAUSE YOU'RE DUMPING MORE INTO, INTO THEIR RETENTION POND.
WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING IN TO GET IT OUT? WANT WE DRAIN INTO THE EXISTING DETENTION? YOU OPENING UP THE BAYOU FOR BETTER FLOW, SAID THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.
BUT HOW CAN, I MEAN, CAN WE GUARANTEE THAT GLO CONTRACTS? YEAH.
I MEAN WE HAVE OTHER, QUITE A FEW OF 'EM HERE.
THE, THE 10 ACRES, WHERE DOES IT CURRENTLY DRAIN TO? IT DRAINS TOWARD BENSON BY NOT BUT TOWARDS BEST ROAD.
AND THEN BASICALLY IT DRAINS ROAD BEST ROAD INTO THE RETENTION POND? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT'S ALREADY DRAINING INTO IT.
BUT WHERE IS TRAVIS? BUT HERE'S THE OTHER PART.
YOU'VE GOT ALL THE TREES, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT CAPTURE THAT AS WELL.
AND SO YOU TAKE THE TREES OUT AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S A HOLDING BASIN CALLED DETENTION POND.
WATER IS PUT INTO THIS HOLDING BASIN AND THEN LET OUT AT A VERY SMALL RATE WITH A SIX INCH PIPE.
SO THAT, THAT TYPE OF, THAT, THAT TYPE OF, OF, UH, SIR, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT.
RATE IS EQUAL TO AS IF THEIR TREES ARE THERE.
THAT'S REQUIRED BY, BY THE CITY ORDINANCE.
HOPEFULLY IF IT STAYS IN THE RETENTION POND.
BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T KNOW TO DO THAT
I WANNA GET OFF THIS JUST A MINUTE.
UH, SO, UH, MR. BENDER WAS SAYING THAT HE'S BUILDING THE SAME HOUSE BASICALLY AS THE OTHERS, WHICH I'M SURE EVERYBODY APPRECIATES THE QUALITY INSIDE, BUT AS I'M READING THIS, IF INDEED THEY WERE 65 FOOT LOTS AND NOW THEY'RE 55 FOOT LOTS, IT ISN'T QUITE THE SAME, IS IT? OH, I MEAN, MR. BRAND CAN ADDRESS THAT.
ONE HOME BUILDER, MORE HOUSE A LITTLE SMALLER PIECE OF LOT.
SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? NO, IT WASN'T.
YES, I GUESS IT IS A QUESTION.
SO YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU HAD THE SAME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME QUALITY AS YOU DID AND THAT THEY WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE EVERYBODY
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APPRECIATES THE INTERIOR OF IT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE, IS IT TRUE THAT THE LOTS ARE GONNA BE 55 VERSUS 65? YES.EDMONDS, WHEN WE BUILT, BUILT IT AND LANDED THOSE LOTS, THEY WERE VARIOUS SIZES.
AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE BUILT NOW ON THE, REGARDLESS OF WHICH WAY THE WIDTH OF THE LOT IS, WE CAN GO UP TO DO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WE COULD BUILD UP TO 4,000 PLUS SQUARE FOOT.
BUT MOST PEOPLE FEEL THAT THE SIZE OF A LOT IS IMPORTANT WITH REGARD TO, UH, WORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT TODAY'S, UH, COMMUNITIES, THEY'RE ALL 50, 55 LOTS BECAUSE IT COSTS SO MUCH TO BRING A LANDED LOT IN THE LOTS BACK IN THOSE DAYS, WE COULD BRING THEM IN FOR 25,000 A LOT.
TODAY THEY'RE COSTING 80,000 A LOT.
AND IF YOU'LL FIND THAT EVERYWHERE, THE BUILDERS, UH, THE DEVELOPERS ARE BRINGING THEM IN AT 50, 45 AND 50 FIVES.
FOUR BECAUSE FINANCIALLY, TO MAKE IT A AVAIL, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE TO TO ENTRY LEVEL, AS YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, AFFORDABILITY FOR AN ENTRY HOME IS IMPOSSIBLE.
BUT THIS IS GONNA BRING THE VALUE DOWN OF THE HOMES.
THIS WILL BRING THE VALUE DOWN OF THE HOMES AROUND THEM.
OH NO, IF YOU'RE DOING SMALLER HOUSES, SMALLER, PLEASE, NO, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THE SAME QUALITY, SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, SAME.
IF ANYTHING, IT MIGHT BRING THEM UP BECAUSE OF AMENITIES WE'RE PUTTING IN THE HOUSES, WE'RE UPGRADING 'EM, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, NEW TECHNOLOGY IN THE HOMES.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE 10, 12 FOOT CEILINGS.
THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY, VERY CUSTOM HOMES.
SO IT SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? EXCUSE ANYTHING? UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE LAYOUT HERE OF ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN AND I UNDERSTAND NORTH ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN IS LEAGUE CITY SOUTH IS DICKINSON.
UM, LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT HERE OF ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, I SEE NORTH ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN IS LEAGUE CITY SOUTH IS DICKINSON.
UM, WHEN YOU GUYS LAY THIS OUT, WHAT YEAR DID YOU LAY THIS OUT? WHEN, WHAT YEAR DID YOU LAY OUT ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN? OH, WE, WE DID THE SITE WORK AND FROM TWO FOUR 2004 2005, WE BUILT IT OUT FROM ABOUT 2004, THE BRICKS AND STICKS TO ABOUT 2008.
WAS IT PRESENTED TO THE DICKINSON PLANNING? I SEE YOU HAVE A, A DEAD-ENDED ROAD RIGHT THERE THAT BASICALLY TIES INTO BEST ROAD.
WAS THAT PRESENTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING AT THAT TIME? PARDON ME? YOU HAVE A DEAD-ENDED ROAD RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE TWO SAINT EDMONDS GREEN THAT LINES UP WITH BEST ROAD.
IN OTHER WORDS, DID YOU, YOU PRESENT THAT TO CA UH, PLANNING AND ZONING AT THAT TIME? YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PUT THAT IN AND, UH, SO DOWN THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THAT WE COULD OPEN THAT ROAD UP.
UH, JOHN, PLEASE ADD THE FLOOR, SIR.
WAS ANY SORT OF ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE AS TO HOW THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE IMPACTED? I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD THE CITIZENS TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT WILDLIFE THAT CURRENTLY RESIDES IN THAT PROPERTY.
WAS ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY DONE? NO.
AGAIN, WE ARE WHATSOEVER, WE ARE IN THE PRELIMINARY PLA PHASE.
WHEN WE GET INTO TO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND CITY CRITERIA REQUIRES IT, WE CERTAINLY WOULD DO SO THE CRITERIA DIDN'T REQUIRE IT.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE SAID? THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY HEARING.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, OBVIOUSLY THERE, THE CITIZENS ARE CITIZENS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE OR ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS IS ADDRESSED TO THE BUILDER THAT YOU MIGHT SIT DOWN WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THESE CURRENT RESIDENTS AND SAY, EDMONDS GREEN AND LET THEM TELL YOU, OR OR BETTER EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE AND TRY TO MITIGATE
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THEIR CONCERNS IN SOME WAY.IN OTHER WORDS, MEDIATE THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY FORESEE YOUR PROJECT'S GONNA CREATE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SUGGESTING SOME WAY TO RESOLVE THIS WITHOUT A LOT OF CONFLICT.
DON'T FORGET ME ABOUT 10 ACRES.
UH, BRUCE, I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION.
I MEAN, WELL, I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH.
WE'VE TRIED TO, UH, ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS WITH ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, BUT TO NOVE, THERE'S NOT A LISTENING FOR IT.
THEY'RE THINKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO FLOOD THEIR SUBDIVISION OUT AND, UH, THAT'S NOT THE CASE AND THEY HAVE NO LISTENING FOR THAT.
I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT WE'VE MET THOSE CONCERNS, THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
WE MADE THAT, UH, HIGH STANDARD TO WHERE WE DIDN'T WANT TO AFFECT THAT SUBDIVISION.
I HAVE HOMES THAT I OWN IN ST.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT'S IN MY INTEREST TO PRESERVE THE VALUE OF ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
I OWN HOMES IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
SO I HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE BUILD A GOOD PRODUCT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT THOSE HOMES AND ARE VERY PROUD OF THEM.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO HINDER THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HINDER THEM IN ANY WAY OR FASHION OR FORM.
TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT THE DRAINAGE IS GONNA BE THE EXACT SAME WITH THAT OR WITHOUT IT.
SIR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INTENTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE SAYING GIVES THE PATH TO HELL IS PA PAVED BY GOOD INTENTIONS.
PHIL, YOU HAVE COMMENTS, SIR? YEAH.
ONE OF MY EARLIER QUESTIONS DIDN'T GET ANSWERED.
THE ELEVATION OF THESE LOTS, UH, AND I HAVE TROUBLE HEARING IT, IS RESPONSES, THE ELEVATION OF THESE NEW LOTS, THE ELEVATION THAT'LL BE THE SAME OR HIGHER THAN THE ELEVATION OF THE LOTS IN ST.
I THINK THE BASE ELEVATION HAS PROBABLY CHANGED SINCE 2004.
AND THE POINT ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S TAKEN WELL, 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT D ROAD THAT HAD BEST ROAD THERE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT CAN CARRY MUCH TRAFFIC AT ALL.
SO IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE ELEVATION I THINK ARE WELL FOUNDED.
SO ARE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION STILL THE SAME NOW AS THEY WERE IN 2004? NO.
SO WHAT THE HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, THEY WERE BUILT TO THE ORIGINAL BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AND NOW I BELIEVE THE NEW ONE'S 14 FEET? YES.
SO OUR HOUSES WOULD BE OKAY SITTING 16.5.
AND HOW HIGH ARE THE ONES IN ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN? CURRENTLY? I DON'T HAVE THE TOPO 14.
BUT HOW THE WAY ENGINEERING DESIGN WOULD BE IS THAT ALL THE WATER, THE WATER IS GOING TO THE FRONT WHERE THE ROADS ARE RECESSED DOWN.
WE'RE NOT DRAINING TO THE BACKSIDE.
YOU'RE DRAINING INTO THE STREETS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
HOW, HOW'S THAT? HOW, HOW ARE YOU DOING THAT? WHICH GOES THROUGH THEIR DRAINAGE.
WE'RE BACK TO THAT AGAIN, RIGHT? YEAH, SURE.
BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY IT WAS ALWAYS FLOODING, NOT THE DRIVE, NOT THE DRIVE THAT IT'S GOING DOWN.
IS MY PLAN MESSING BY YOU? THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID IN IT DIDN'T WORK.
THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE ALL BEING BUILT NOW.
DON'T FORGET THE EFFECT ON I MET YOUR ANIMALS MORNING, SIR.
I FEEL LIKE I'M NEVER GONNA FORGIVE YOU
SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, YOU KIND OF PUT THE TRAFFIC TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, WE CANNOT SOLVE LAKE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE WITH 42 LOTS SUBDIVISION.
THE, THE CRITERIA, I MEAN, WE DON'T DESIGN THESE ARBITRARILY.
CITY OF DICKINSON, LAKE CITY IS CRITERIA WE HAVE TO MEET.
THE RIGHT OR WIDTH ROADWAY, WIDTH ROADWAY,
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ELEVATIONS WE DESIGN WITH THE STANDARD AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.BUT YOU DO REALIZE THE IMPACT THAT THAT I AGREE.
I MEAN WE CAN'T, WE AS A, A DEVELOPER REPRESENTED THAT OWNS 10 ACRES, CANNOT GO DOWN THE STREET HALF A MILE AND FIX FIXITY PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THE RESIDENTS, BUT THE CRITERIA SAID SURE.
DEVELOPER HAS TO IMPROVE THE ROAD IN FRONT OF HIS FRONTAGE.
WELL, THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED, DOESN'T IT? SOMEHOW? YES.
I THINK WE HAVE A FAIR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE CITIZENS FEEL AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE DEVELOPER FEELS.
IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO TIME TO MAKE A MOTION AS I SEE IT, AND I'M JUST EXPRESSING MY OWN OPINION FOR YOU, YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.
IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVES, THAT MAKES OUR CREDIBILITY GO TO ZERO.
IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, AND OF COURSE, CITY COUNCIL COULD OR COULD NOT ACCEPT THAT AND, AND MAY BE REJECTED, THEN THAT ALSO KILLS OUR CREDIBILITY WITH BOTH THE CITIZENS AND WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL.
I THINK WE HAVE THAT RISK EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
AND I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS THINGS HERE.
WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, IS THAT THE OTHER OPTION IN MY MIND IS TO TABLE THIS THING WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT GO BACK TO THE BUILDER AND THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION'S REPRESENTATIVES TO TRY TO WORK OUT MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS, BUT SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.
OR AT LEAST GIVE IT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO RESOLVE THESE AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO US AND LET US AT THAT TIME MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
IF IT'S NOT MAP SCOPE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF I, IF I MAY FOR JUST A QUICK SECOND TO CLEAR UP A COUPLE THINGS.
UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL IS ACTUALLY ONLY THE AUTHORITY OF P AND Z.
IT DOES NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND FINAL PLAT APPROVAL IS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY STAFF.
SO IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FROM PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IT DOESN'T DEVIATE SUBSTANTIALLY.
THEY GET THE FINAL PLAT AND IT'S THE SAME THEN IT'S APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THAT CLARIFIES, AND LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
AND I, I KNEW THAT, THAT I I UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO ALL THE OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT ARE THE CONCERNS, THE, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO THE WATER, UH, AND, UH, AND ALL OF THAT IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOT PART OF THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE PART OF SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE MAKING OUR DECISION AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS VERY MUCH THE FIRST STEP.
THIS IS THE VERY FIRST STEP IN DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE NEXT STEP WE DON'T GET TO SEE, YOU GET TO SEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEN THERE'S NO, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THEN THERE'S NO MORE PUBLIC INPUT AT ALL FOR MOST FOR AFTER SEEING A COMPLETE DEAL.
SO WE GET HALF OF IT, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, AND THEN THE OTHER HALF COMES LATER BASED BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T WANNA RISK, NOT RISK MONEY, I GUESS, OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
IF I MAY, UH, MS. FORTNER ON THAT ONE.
I, WHILE I DO AGREE WITH YOU, I, I HATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE BETTER OPPORTUNITIES.
SOMETHING THAT, BUT THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE JOYS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH BASICALLY PROVIDES ALL THE RULES ON WHAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
AND WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THOSE.
I WOULD SAY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT.
THIS ISN'T THE SAME THING THOUGH, THAT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IF THEY DON'T BUILD THIS, WHAT CAN THEY BUILD, SAY THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH.
WHAT CAN THEY BUILD ON THAT LAND AS IT IS ZONED NOW? UH, I BELIEVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR DUPLEXES ARE PERMITTED IN THE SONY DISTRICT.
IT'S GONNA BE HOMES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
CORRECT? IT, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO I'M, I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR JUST A MOMENT.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN DICKINSON FOR 26 YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, WHEN I MOVED HERE, IT WAS 8,000 PEOPLE.
IT WAS A LITTLE PODUNK TOWN, AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKED ABOUT IT.
I HAD NO INTEREST IN GETTING ANY BIGGER.
DICKINSON WAS WASN'T GONNA DO MUCH.
THAT BEING SAID, OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, I'VE WATCHED A LOT OF THINGS DEVELOP IN DICKINSON AROUND DICKINSON.
I'VE SEEN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT HAD BEEN FIELDS AS LONG AS PROBABLY OUR GRANDFATHERS COULD REMEMBER.
NOW HAVE SUBDIVISIONS BUILT INTO 'EM.
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I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE.I I, I DON'T LIKE PROGRESS FOR PROGRESS SAKE EITHER, BUT IT IS JUST A NATURAL THING.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT IS TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.
I CAN'T STAND PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY, GET OUTTA MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THE REALITY IS 6 46 IS GONNA BE PART OF THE GRAND PARKWAY.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED THAT UP ON THE INTERNET.
THE GRAND PARKWAY IS GONNA BE A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM YOUR HOMES.
NOW, IF I COULD STOP THAT, I WOULD PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE NEED A STOPLIGHT HERE.
WHEN THEY COME THROUGH AND THEY TEAR UP 6 46 AND THEY PUT SIX LANE ROAD WITH FEEDER ROADS ALONGSIDE IT, OH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE STOPLIGHTS YOU WANT THEN.
AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT BEING SARCASTIC, AND I DON'T MEAN TO INSULT ANYBODY BUT IT, THAT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGER CHALLENGE.
UM, THERE ISN'T A BARE LOT IN DICKINSON THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS THAT'S GONNA HAVE A HOME ON IT.
UH, WE ARE, WHETHER ANYBODY IN THE CITY WANTS TO CALL IT, WE ARE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
WE ARE NEVER GONNA HAVE BIG BUSINESSES.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A TARGET.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HOME DEPOT IN DICKINSON.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT.
UH, THE BEST THING WE CAN HOPE TO DO IS GET A NEW KROGER.
'CAUSE BASICALLY WHAT IS ALONGSIDE THE INTERSTATE IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS.
UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN REALIZE GOING ALONG.
HIGHWAY THREE DICKINSON STOPS JUST AROUND DETS ROAD, JUST A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF IT.
EVERYTHING NORTH OF THAT IS ACTUALLY LAKE CITY.
AND SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE, UH, A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND I PRAY, BUILD GOOD HOMES, I HOPE THERE'RE AS GOOD AS EVERY ONE OF YOUR HOMES RIGHT NOW.
AND I HOPE IT DOES IN FACT, BUILD MORE MODERN HOMES THAT DO INCREASE THE VALUE OF YOUR HOMES.
UH, IF THE GUY BUILT YOUR SUBDIVISION ORIGINALLY, I PRAY HE HAS ENOUGH INTEGRITY TO CONTINUE DOING IT.
SO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS ON THE SUBJECT.
OKAY? BUT SIR, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DRAINAGE WITH YOUR 10 ACRES.
WE HAVE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS IN THE STATE, IN THE CITY, IN THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE THE WATER DISTRICT THAT DEMANDS WHAT WE DO.
ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THIS, UH, LET ME FINISH, PLEASE.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW A CERTAIN DEGREE OF RULES ON EVERYTHING.
WE DON'T GET TO ARBITRARILY JUST MAKE UP RULES TO EVERY DEVELOPER THAT COMES INTO THE TOWN.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE DIDN'T GROW AT THE SAME PACE AS A LEAGUE CITY OR TEXAS CITY.
OKAY? WE DID NOT HAVE THE RULES.
DEVELOPERS DIDN'T COME TO OUR TOWN.
NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, WE, WE KIND OF MISSED THE BUS IN A LOT OF PLACES, BUT WE'RE STILL FOLLOWING THE RULES AT THIS POINT.
IF THERE'S A CONTRACT BEING GIVEN, MY GOODNESS, THERE ARE MORE STRINGS ON IT THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
NOW, I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU FOR A MILLISECOND, I HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT HIS GLO CONTRACT AND REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT I HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT THEY ARE ENGINEERED TO THE NTH DEGREE, TO THE POINT THAT IT'S RIDICULOUS.
SO THE DRAINAGE PROGRAM THAT'S GONE THROUGH HERE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE EASILY SAID THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW ALREADY GETS WATER ON IT.
IT ALREADY FLOODS TO SOME MILD DEGREE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYTHING IN GALVESTON COUNTY DOES.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE PROGRAM, GET A GOOD RAIN SHOWER, YOU'RE STANDING IN TWO OR THREE INCHES OF WATER.
OKAY? HE BUILT THIS THING WITH THAT RETENTION POND RIGHT THERE THAT GOES INTO BENSON BAYOU.
THE WE, THE REASON WE BUILD DETENTION PONDS IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT A HOME IN AND YOU PUT AN ASPHALT CEILING, AND YOU PUT A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, YOU HAVE REDUCED THE CAPABILITY OF THE PROPERTY AROUND THERE TO ABSORB WATER.
OKAY? THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT THAT 10 ACRES RIGHT THERE, IT ABSORBS WATER.
OKAY? WHEN YOU PUT A BUNCH OF HOUSES, YOU DIMINISH ITS ABILITY TO ABSORB WATER.
SO THEREFORE, THAT'S WHEN YOU BUILD A DETENTION POND.
SO, AND IT'S ALL ON CALCULATIONS WHERE, HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU HAVE TO DETAIN SO THAT YOU'RE AT THE SAME PACE THAT THE LAND COULD NATURALLY ABSORB THE WATER.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ULTIMATE IN IT.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.
I KNOW A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME SMART OR SMARTER THAN ANYBODY IN THE ROOM.
BUT I HAVE WORKED WITH A LOT OF ENGINEERS WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE PROGRAMS, AND THERE'S SO MANY CALCULATIONS AND SO MANY INTERESTING THINGS THAT ARE, ARE BEYOND ME.
AND I AM STUCK WITH THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THESE ARE THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT GOT US TO THE MOON.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY DID THAT EITHER.
SO THERE COMES A POINT THAT I HAVE TO TRUST A LITTLE BIT.
I LIVED IN DICKINSON DURING HARVEY.
I HAD THREE FEET OF WATER IN MY HOUSE.
EVERYBODY THAT HAD THAT PROBLEM.
I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH ALL OF YOU.
SO WITH THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION EITHER WAY,
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SIR.THAT'S WHAT I JUST BROUGHT UP ABOUT.
TELL ME ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
TRAVIS, YOU ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM, NOT THERE.
DID YOU NOT JUST TELL ME THAT PEOPLE DON'T STOP AT STOP SIGNS THAT I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT HAS FAILED US ON THAT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T EVEN SIR, DOWN THERE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOT GONNA DEVOLVE INTO THIS, OKAY? I APOLOGIZE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL, BUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO TALK, OKAY? WE HAVEN'T CHEATED ANYBODY OF A MINUTE, OKAY? WE WE'RE JUST GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
SIR, YOU GAVE US A SPEECH, SIR, PLEASE.
I DISAGREE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
UH, YOU WERE, YOU WERE GIVING YOUR TIME, SIR.
UH, SIR, CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT OF, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW SCIENCE, BUT REMIND EVERYONE THAT EVERY FEW YEARS WE HEAR ABOUT ANOTHER HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
THAT'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN 300 YEARS, BUT THEY SEEM TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN.
SO EVEN WITH THESE CALCULATIONS IN PLACE, WE NEED TO TAKE CONSIDERATION THAT WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE OR NOT.
WE HAVE MORE ACTIVE PLAY THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST WHEN FLOWS HAPPENING EVERY 10 YEARS.
SO WHILE TODAY'S CALCULATIONS MAY SAY THAT THIS IS ENOUGH, SIR, THIS CONVERSATION, THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION ISN'T GONNA BE DONE.
YOU CAN TAKE IT UP WITH GLOI APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT YOU CAN TAKE THAT UP WITH THE GLO.
THEY, THEY DO CLIMATE CHANGE, THEY MANAGE THAT END OF IT.
I DON'T, I FOLLOW THE RULES THAT WERE DICTATED BY THE CITY, BY THE STATE.
NO RESPONSE TO THIS CALCULATION.
I JUST GOT COMMON SENSE QUESTION ASK.
THAT'S ALL ONE COMMON SENSE QUESTION.
ARE Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS YOU FOLKS? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA INTIMATELY? INTIMATELY? MM-HMM
SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT GI ROAD IS THE ONLY INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE FROM ALL OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS.
THAT IS THE ONLY INGRESS EGRESS TO 6 46.
THERE IS NO OTHER, EXCEPT FOR GOING THROUGH ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN, WHICH NOBODY DOES OR GOING TO.
THAT'S THE ONLY INGRESS EGRESS.
THE TRAFFIC HAS GOTTEN SUBSTANTIAL ALREADY.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPENING UP ST.
EDMOND'S GREEN AND LETTING ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE CUT THROUGH TO GIL ROAD.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 420, I MEAN 42 HOUSES.
BEING ABLE TO CUT THROUGH AND COME TO GIL ROAD.
PUT A TRAFFIC COUNTER ON GIL ROAD, PLEASE.
JUST PUT, PUT A TRAFFIC COUNTER, SIR.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, SOMETHING JUST TO ADD TO THIS, OKAY? I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OKAY? THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE POLICE OFFICERS MONITORING.
I'M NOT DIMINISHING ANYTHING, SIR.
I WON'T GET INTO CLIMATE CHANGE, BUT HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF IT'S A REAL THING, IT'S A REAL THING.
IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S DETERMINED.
WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS A PLAT.
OKAY? THAT BEING SAID, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS ZONED IN THE CITY OF DICKINSON FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
OKAY? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT SOME POINT IN HISTORY, WHETHER IT'S TODAY OR WHETHER IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHETHER IT'S 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'S GONNA BE HOMES BUILT THERE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S LEGALLY HYPOTHE SUBDIVISION, OKAY? WE'RE NOT, WE KNOW THAT IT'S INEVITABLE THAT WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION THERE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT READY FOR IT YET.
MUST BE READY FIRST BEFORE YOU BUILD, BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
CAN, CAN, CAN I ASK? I DON'T MIND.
CAN I ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS? THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH DEVELOPMENT TYPICALLY GETS DONE AND PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED.
SO, AND REMEMBER, THAT ROAD IS IN THE CITY LIMITS OF LAKE CITY.
THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED.
SIR, I TALKED, I TALKED TO LEE.
LEE CITY SAID THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET TO IMPROVE BE, OR, AND THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT IS IF YOU GUYS FORCE THEM TO DO THAT.
IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS SUBDIVISION BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT IT'S GOT, YOU FORCED THEM TO BUILD 660 FOOT OF IT, YOU FORCED THEM TO DO THAT.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER FORCED LEAGUE CITY TO DO ANYTHING, TRAVIS.
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THEY'RE A BIT STUBBORN IN THAT REGARD.TRAVIS WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO US TODAY IF LEAGUE CITY HAD NOT AGREED TO DO THAT.
IS THAT RIGHT? TRAVIS? UH, I'M SORRY.
AGREED TO DO WHAT? IF LEAGUE CITY HAD NOT AGREED TO BUILD 660 FOOT OF CONCRETE AND GUTTERS, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS SUBDIVISION LEAGUE CITY IS NOT BUILDING THE ROAD.
THE DEVELOPER IS BUILDING THE ROAD.
YES, THAT'S, BUT THEY FORCED HIM TO DO IT.
AND THEY FORCED HIM TO DO IT HERE TOO.
THE ORDINANCES IN DICKINSON REQUIRED HIM TO BUILD THE ROAD IN FRONT OF HIS PROPERTY.
SO WE GOT 660 FOOT OF ROAD THAT LAKE CITY HAD TO BUILD.
NOW THE OTHER 660 FOOT IS, IS FOUR DITCHES AND NOT HARDLY TWO LANE OF ASAL GOING DOWN TO GILL ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO FOUR DITCHES AND HARDLY TWO, TWO STOP, RIGHT? THIS, THE ROADS ARE IN LEAGUE CITY.
THEY'LL BE BUILT TO LEAGUE CITY STANDARD.
THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT IN LEAGUE CITY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
THEY TOLD THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
SO THE ROAD COMING TO THE LEFT OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION, GOING TO GI, THEY'RE NOT GONNA IMPROVE.
THE ONLY ONE THEY'RE GONNA IMPROVE IS IF YOU GO OUT AND RIGHT BACK TO THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, I THINK THIS CONVERSATION'S GETTING A LITTLE INAPPROPRIATE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, IT WILL BE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO DO IT AT THIS STAGE FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE VERY FIRST STEP.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF THE RESULTS FOR THAT COME BACK THEN, THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
BUT, UH, I DO NOT, YOU KNOW, LEAGUE CITY IS NOT GONNA IMPROVE A ROAD, UH, THAT IT'S BEING BILLED FOR A DICKINSON SUBDIVISION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
THAT'S KIND OF RUDE GUYS, REALLY? DO YOU COME HERE EVERY TWICE A MONTH? THAT'S RUDE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ISSUE UNTIL THE, THE BUILDER AND THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE CHANCE TO SIT DOWN AND TRY TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE, OR AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THE ISSUES THAT THIS THE CURRENT RESIDENTS HAVE.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR OPTIONS HERE.
IF THE PLAT IS DENIED, IT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED DUE TO SHOT CLOCK.
UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE REVIEW THE PLAT WITHIN, IS IT 30 DAYS? 45 DAYS? UH, SO THAT TIME WOULD EXPIRE AFTER THIS MEETING.
IF YOU DENY THE PLAT, EACH ONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A DOCUMENTED REASON OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE THAT IS VIOLATING THE PLAT IS, UH, BY STATE LAW.
UH, IN LIEU OF THAT, IF YOU DENY AND DO NOT PROVIDE A LEGAL REASON TO DENY THE PLAT, IT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED DUE TO THE TIME EXPIRING FROM, FROM WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THE PLAT TO WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE.
STATE, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT.
AND CAN WE, UH, UNDERSTAND FOR ALONG IN, IN A, IN APPROVING OF THIS PLAT, CAN WE ASK FOR THE, UM, INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO MITIGATION FOR THE, UH, WATER FLESHED OUT SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT AS PART OF OUR MOTION? YOU, YOU LIKE TO SEE THE, THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN OR, YEAH.
SO THEY DON'T, SO THEY, I CAN'T HEAR.
SO CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON BEING ABLE TO SEE A, UM, FLESHED OUT, UM, WATER, YOU KNOW, RETENTION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
NOW YOU, YOU WANNA SEE THE DRAINAGE PLAN TO REVIEW THE DRAINAGE PLAN? YES.
PRIOR TO GIVING, I MEAN, I MEAN, SO IT WOULD BE APPROVED TODAY IF YOU PUT A CONDITION ON IT, THE CONDITION WOULD, WOULD BE.
SO WE CAN PUT A CONDITION ON IT BASED ON THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT JUST UNDERSTAND IF, IF YOU PUT A CONDITION ON IT, AS SOON AS IT, WE MAKE THAT RULING TODAY, THE PLAT IS APPROVED AND WE VERIFY THE CONDITION LATER, RIGHT? UH, SO YOUR CONDITION IS, YOU, YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE DRAINAGE, UH, PLANS.
WE DON'T HAVE A FLUSHED OUT, UH, DRAINAGE DEAL BECAUSE WE WANT, THEY WANTED TO DO THIS FIRST AND THEN THEY WOULD, UH, DO THAT.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT SEEMS KIND OF BACKWARDS.
I'D LIKE TO, SO THERE IS A, WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY STAFF.
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IT IS, UH, THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN IS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A MASTER DETENTION PLAN.
UH, THAT MIGHT BE THE NEXT SLIDE.
CAN YOU GO ONE MORE? WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS RIGHT BEFORE IT EXPIRES? THE SHOT CLOCK SEEING THIS, THE PLA UH, THAT'S JUST THE TIMELINE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SUBMIT, IT STARTS THE SHOCK CLOCK AT THAT TIME.
BUT WHY DOES IT BROUGHT TO US NOW RIGHT BEFORE IT EXPIRES? BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT ON WITH PROVIDING PROPER NOTICE.
SO, SORRY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE EXPIRATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN LONGER.
YOU GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND? I'LL CALL FOR THE QUESTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS.
SO TABLING IT WOULD OFFICIALLY, UH, APPROVE THE PLAT.
SO Y'ALL DON'T HAVE THE CHOICE.
REGARDLESS, Y'ALL, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.
SO WHY, WHY, WHY ARE WE HERE? WHY DO Y'ALL HERE? SO Y'ALL DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHOICE.
SO WHAT, WHAT TRAVIS IS SAYING IS IF YOU TABLE IT, YOU'VE APPROVED IT MM-HMM
SO THAT THAT'S WHAT HE JUST SAID.
WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WHY? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT THEN? SO ARE YOU GONNA APPROVE IT? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME.
ARE YOU GONNA VOTE TO APPROVE IT? IT'S THE SAME DIFFERENCE.
SEE, WE'RE WE'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
LIKE THOSE FOLKS SAID, WHY DID WE EVEN BOTHER TO COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT TO DENY A PLAT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A LEGAL REASON TO DENY THAT IS AN ORDINANCE.
VENDORS JUST MAKE HE WHAT HE WAS DOING.
I'D SAY THE LEGAL REASON IS, IS THERE WAS NO NO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE.
AND THEY NO, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THE WILDLIFE THAT LIVES IN THAT PROPERTY OR LIVES ON THAT PROPERTY.
ORDINANCE DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE, UH, THAT TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
I THINK MORE THAN JUST THE FLOODING, I THINK WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT PICTURE THAT WE HAD OF THE SUBDIVISION GILL ROAD LOOKS LIKE A DRIVEWAY.
WHAT ARE WE, WHO'S GONNA IMPROVE THE, WHO'S GOING TO IMPROVE GILL'S ROAD? UH, DON, RIGHT.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WILL, THAT'S ROAD, THAT'S IT'S GOTTA BE IN LEAGUE CITY.
IT LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE A ONE LANE DRIVEWAY.
SO WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S GONNA IMPROVE THAT? SO IF, IF THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REVEALS THAT IT, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE IMPROVED, UH, TO SUPPORT THAT SUBDIVISION, THEN, THEN WE COULD REQUIRE IT.
BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE TIA AT THIS TIME.
IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT ON HAND BEFORE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO IF MY MOTION FAILS, IT GETS APPROVED.
IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE IT, IT GETS APPROVED.
IF WE VOTE NOT TO APPROVE IT, IT GETS APPROVED.
I MEAN, SO THIS IS TWO HOURS OF OUR LIFE BACK.
I HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I MEAN, SHOULD BEEN NOTIFIED.
THIS IS JUST ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS, IS FIND A WAY TO MITIGATE YOUR CONCERNS.
SO, SO TRAVIS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN DEAL WITH THIS EXCEPT TO JUST BLANKET SO I MEAN, SO YOU CAN APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
I AM, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CONDITION Y'ALL COULD REQUEST THAT WE'RE NOT ALREADY GOING TO DO.
HOW ABOUT, HOWEVER, IF IT, YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT A TRAFFIC, UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IMPACT? YEAH, YOU COULD APPROVE WITH THAT CONDITION.
BUT THAT'S A, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT AND A WILDLIFE SURVEY.
SO THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN ASK FOR THAT.
CAN CAN WE, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON, ON WEST ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING STARTING AN ANALYSIS.
NO, BUT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY WOULD.
'CAUSE THERE IS, THERE ARE WILDLIFE, THERE IS WILDLIFE LIVING OUT THERE ACCORDING TO, BUT LET'S, I'VE SEEN THE DEER IN THOSE, IN THOSE FIELDS BEHIND HOME DEPOT ON NUMEROUS OCCASION RAISING OUT THERE, BACKS UP TO THAT.
AND I'VE GOT 11 DEER COME OUT OF THAT FIELD EVERY AFTERNOON THE WEEK.
SO WE, SO THAT HONESTLY, THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE BEST PLAN OF ACTION IF WE CAN, UH,
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APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.SO WILDLIFE STUDY AND TRAFFIC STUDY, CAN YOU ALSO IMPROVE, UH, APPROVE OF DENNIS FACE BEING IN THE LOT SIZE? SO THE LOT SIZE.
AND BY THE WAY, POINT OF ORDER PLEASE.
SO NOW THE QUESTION IS, IF THERE'S ANY CONTINUED CONVERSATION, WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER VOTE TO BASICALLY RESCIND THE ORIGINAL ONE.
WELL, WE, WE HAVE TO GO A MOTION.
NO, IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THIS IS A REQUIREMENTS.
I MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE, HE HAS TO MAKE IT 'CAUSE HE MADE THE ORIGINAL.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND MY PROPOSAL.
AND NOW I DO, I HAVE A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF RESCINDING THE PREVIOUS MOTION AND VOTE.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE BACK TO BLANK.
SO THE, SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY STATE LAW STATES THAT IF WE IDENTIFY THAT AS OUR REQUIREMENT FOR A SUBDIVISION, THAT WE COULD REQUIRE THAT AS PART OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
HOWEVER, WE, OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT CONTAIN THAT LANGUAGE.
WHAT DOESN'T? FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY? YEAH.
UH, STATE LAW STATES THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ALL REQUIREMENTS IN ORDINANCE, UH, FOR A SUBDIVISION TO SECTION ON THAT TO PROVIDE THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
SO OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT CONTAIN THAT LANGUAGE.
SO WE COULD NOT CONDITION THAT ON PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE ON PLATS AND WE'VE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION AND EVERY TIME WE'VE NEVER HAD A CONTENTIOUS ONE, THANK GOODNESS.
BUT WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE WHERE IT IS KNOWN THAT BASICALLY WHEN A PLAT COMES THROUGH, WE DISCUSS IT AND WE'RE ALWAYS IRRITATED BY THE FACT THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S GONNA PASS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT.
AND I THINK WE'RE IRRITATED AT THE FACT THAT IT, WE NEVER GET TO SEE IT AGAIN.
AND, AND WE'VE MADE TO SAY THAT TOO.
MADE THAT COMMENT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
AND, AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT CAN'T BE RESOLVED.
SO THAT IS HOW STATE LAW READS, THAT'S HOW STATE LAW READS.
IS THAT THAT DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEMS WE'RE FACED WITH, RIGHT? NO, IT SURELY DOESN'T.
OKAY, WE, SO WHAT CONTINGENCIES CAN WE MAKE THEN? I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
WHEN YOU MAKE THE VARIANCE, I THOUGHT YOU COULD STATE A VARIANCE TO WHAT OTHER VARIANCE WE CAN MAKE FOR THIS, FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS A CONDITION.
WHAT OTHER CONDITIONS? YOU SAID THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, ISN'T IT? IT IT, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE PERFORMED.
WHAT WAS THE, I DON'T, WHAT WAS THE OPPOSITION TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY? THEY SAID THAT IT'S, IT'S THE NEXT STEP.
IT'S NOT IN OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
CAN WE, WHERE CAN WE MAKE THAT? UH, WE CAN MAKE, UH, I NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT, BUT WE CAN, UH, MAKE THAT TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE UDC.
MAKE THAT WHAT? THAT TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE UDC, BUT NOT TODAY, BUT RIGHT.
BUT, UH, IF, IF Y'ALL WANT TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN, I CAN RESEARCH AND WE CAN, WE CAN OUT.
OKAY, SO YOU GONNA MAKE A MOTION? I CAN'T, THE ONLY THING WE WANT TO ADD, I GOT ONE MORE THING.
SO TRAFFIC AND KNOWLEDGE, TRAFFIC ALREADY INCLUDED IN IT.
SO MY THOUGHT IS, OR MY RATIONALE IS THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT OF THIS SUBDIVISION.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT GETS BLOCKED? SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY BEST ROAD IS GONNA BE OPENED UP.
RIGHT? SO MY THEY HAVE TO HAVE TWO WAY, ONE WAY IN, I MEAN TWO WAYS AND TWO WAYS.
CORRECT? WELL, MY QUESTION IS FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
SO EMERGENCY RESPONSE HAS TO COME FROM EITHER FROM 6 46 OR HIGHWAY THREE, CORRECT.
THERE'S NO DIRECT PATH TO THIS SUBDIVISION.
UH, TO BE HONEST, I'M NOT FAILURE THAT IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR WHAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE NEEDED.
SO WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? DOES THE CURRENT CITY CODE SAY THERE HAS TO BE TWO? YOU WANT THAT PART OF IT? WELL, IN MY, MY QUESTION IS ONE OF THOSE ARIES, THAT ROAD BE WIDE ENOUGH FOR A CAR AND A FIRE TRUCK BECAUSE, AND RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T DO THAT.
SO 'CAUSE AND ESPECIALLY CAN YOU, CAN WE ADD STREET LIGHTS? YEAH.
IT'S DARK BECAUSE IT GETS DARK IN THAT, IN THAT IF AREA IT GETS, IF, IF IT'S PAST EIGHT O'CLOCK, IT LOOKS LIKE MIDNIGHT ON, ON BEST ROAD OR IN THE SUBDIVISION, I'M TALKING ON BEST ROAD.
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THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY CAN THINK OF THAT AHEAD OF TIME AS WELL AS THE ROAD'S GONNA HAVE TO BE WIDENED.CAN THEY PUT AN EASEMENT ALREADY INTO THE SUBDIVISION FOR THAT EASEMENT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T OWN THE ROAD.
I'M NOT, I'M TALKING ABOUT INSIDE.
SO IF THE ROAD GETS THE RIGHT OF WAY, WILL WILL CREATE THAT EASEMENT.
IF YOU, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A HOUSE BUILT UP AGAINST THAT EASEMENT, THEN IT'S ALREADY THERE.
CAN'T THAT BE PUT INTO THE, THE INITIAL PLANS? I I DON'T KNOW IF I FOLLOWED THE REQUEST.
SO RIGHT NOW THE ROAD IS WHERE IT'S AT.
AND IT'S ONLY WIDE ENOUGH FOR A TRUCK AND DITCHES RIGHT.
SO BEST ROAD IS IN THE CITY LIMITS OF LAKE CITY.
BUT IN THE THOUGHT OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT TRULY PASSABLE FOR THE SUBDIVISION, CAN THAT BE PLACED INTO THE PLANS? THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY OF LAKE CITY AS THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
CITY FIRE COMES A DICKINSON FIRE TRUCK COMPANY FIRE IN THE HOUSE, DICKINSON OWNER CITY FIRE CITIZENS.
BUT THE, THE ROAD IS THE CITY OF LAKE CITY YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT.
BUT DICKINSON WOULD BE GOING TO IT.
BUT WE CAN REQUIRE TWO WAYS IN AND OUT.
SO DEFINITELY ADD THAT THEY YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE THE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
ONCE BEST ROAD IS BUILT, COMPARABLE, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE GRASS GREEN.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THESE FOLKS HAVE IS THEY DON'T WANT ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M JUST THINKING OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE PIECE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THINK OF THE, THE FIRST RESPONDER COMING IN ON THE FIRETRUCK.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF.
IT'S ABOUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THAT'S THIS THING'S BUILT.
UM, DAMN, WE HAVE THREE CUPS UP HERE TONIGHT.
I SAID THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
BECAUSE BEST ROAD, WE'VE DONE PRETTY GOOD AT NOT HAVING ONE OF THESE FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'RE NOT FIGHTING SUBDIVISION.
Y'ALL DON'T GET THE, Y'ALL ARE GETTING THE IMPRESSION THAT WE DON'T WANT THE SUBDIVISION.
BUT RIGHT NOW, NOT TODAY THOUGH.
I MEAN AT THIS TIME, FIRE MARSHAL HAS ALSO REVIEWED AND APPROVED THIS PLAT.
UH, I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WE COULD REQUIRE FOR THAT.
BECAUSE LIKE AT THIS TIME, WHAT, THERE'S NOTHING ADDITIONAL WE COULD REQUIRE, UH, FOR THEM TO BUILD OUT THE ROAD.
I'M ASKING THE QUESTION 'CAUSE THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE'RE GONNA SEE IT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING.
'CAUSE IF IT'S LAKE CITIES ROAD, IT'S OUR SUBDIVISION.
THEN WHAT IS THE RECOURSE FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS IN THE SUBDIVISION OR EDMUND GREEN NOW? IS IT THEM GOING TO LAKE CITY TO PETITION FOR THE ROAD TO BE IMPROVED? OR IS IT THAT THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
LONG TERM, IF, IF THE TAA COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, THE ROAD IS TOTALLY FINE AS IT IS, Y'ALL, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
UH, THEN DOWN THE ROAD, IF, IF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA WANTED SEE BEST ROAD IMPROVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONTACT LEAK CITY.
DID I HAVE, IF THEY PROJECTED IT.
THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT SAYING EDWIN'S GREEN, IT'S HALF LAKE CITY, HALF DICKINSON.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NOTHING NORMAL OR ORGANIZED ABOUT IT IN THAT REGARD.
I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE MAYOR OF LEAGUE CITY SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT TRYING TO CLEAN UP THAT LINE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH WORDING IN THERE RELATIVE TO TRAFFIC AND WILDLIFE STUDY? ANYTHING WE WANT TO ADD? JOHN, DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION SINCE YOU MADE THE OTHER ONE? I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY MADE ONE.
YOU MAKING NO, NO, THERE HAS NOT.
THE MOTION WAS, I HAVE NO, I'VE, ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
THE, THE SEVEN B WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE A WILDLIFE STUDY CONDUCTED AND A TRAFFIC STUDY CONDUCTED.
DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE DRAIN AND DRAINAGE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL ADD DRAINAGE.
ACTUALLY, THERE DRAINAGE IS THERE.
DO YOU MIND IF, IF WE AMEND THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT FOR THE WILDLIFE STUDY, UH, COULD WE, COULD WE, UH, STATE IF LEGAL, I WILL RUN THIS THROUGH CITY ATTORNEY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LEGALLY, UH, ALLOWED TO REQUIRE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY OF, DOES IT GO WITHOUT SAYING THE IF LEGAL PART? OR DO YOU JUST WANTED TO COVER? BY ALL MEANS, DO YOU WANT COVER? UH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO COVER, YEAH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE RECOMMEND OR SUGGEST OR VOTE ON THAT'S ILLEGAL, HE'S GONNA, HE'S
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GONNA PULL IT ANYWAY.WELL, I HOPE WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL UP HERE.
CERTAINLY IF WE DID, WOULD WE HAVE TO REVISIT IT? WE'D HAVE TO RESCIND IT.
I THOUGHT THEY SAID THEY SENT ILLEGAL GOING DEAD HERE.
THEY'RE PROTECTED MESSAGES IN MY EARS WORKING ON AN 18 HOUR DAY.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU ALRIGHT? YEAH, I MADE A MOTION WITH THREE.
DID THE, DID THE MOTION GET CLEARLY COVERED? CAN I, A WILDLIFE STUDY, DRAINAGE STUDY AND TRAFFIC STUDY.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW, I SECOND IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW.
BUT COULD THAT ADD TO YOUR MOTION? YEAH, YOU COULD AMENDMENT.
IT HASN'T BEEN ACCEPTED OR APPROVED OR SECONDED YET.
INSTEAD OF A TRAFFIC STUDY, I'D LIKE TO SAY A RESOLUTION TO THE, TO THE BEST ROAD PROBLEM.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S VAGUE AS ALL GET OUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN FORCE LAKE CITY DO OR ANOTHER THAT HAS TO BE RESOLVED.
BUT WE COULD, BUT UNTIL YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
WE CAN'T PUT SUBDIVISION IN THERE WITHOUT, WELL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TRAVIS.
IF WE DO A, A TRAFFIC STUDY AND THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT VIOLATE CODE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET THAT RIGHT? OR APPLY FOR A WAIVER? I BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED IF, UH, WELL, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, MORE FAMILIAR WITH TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES.
DEN HO WITH ARTICLE ENGINEERING.
I'M THE CONSULTING CITY ENGINEER.
JUST THOUGHT YOU WERE GETTING OUT EASY TONIGHT.
THE QUESTION IS IF WE PERFORM, IF WE REQUEST THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY IS PERFORMED? YES, SIR.
ARE THEY REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THE FINDINGS? YES, SIR.
IF THERE ARE, IT WARRANTS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS OF SOME SORT, EITHER WIDENING OR IT TRIGGERS A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT ANY OTHER LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO IMPROVE IT.
AND THAT'S PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, THAT'S PRIOR TO THEM STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW IN ADDITION TO THE DRAINAGE, UH, IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, DRAINAGE REVIEW AND THANK YOU.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE OTHER ONE, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THE, THE CITY OF LAKE CITY TO SEE WHAT, WHAT OPTIONS.
THE, THE CITY HAS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PRESS LAKE CITY TO ENFORCE THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS COMING ONTO THEIR ROADWAY.
BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC DEAL AND YOU FIND A PROBLEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT WON'T GO FORWARD UNTIL THAT PROBLEM SOLVES.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I TALKED NOT, NOT AT THIS POINT.
YOU WANT TO CLARIFY YOUR MOTION? WELL, I THINK SHE JUST DID, BUT YEAH, YOUR MOTION SOUNDS GOOD.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, FOR MY BENEFIT, PLEASE, WILL YOU REREAD IT ONE MORE TIME? I KEEP GETTING CONFUSED.
WHAT I HAVE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION OF A WILDLIFE STUDY, A DRAINAGE STUDY, AND A TRAFFIC STUDY IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD MORE? NO.
THAT ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, DOESN'T IT? YOU AGREE? YES.
DO WE HAVE THE SECOND? I SECOND.
REMIND THEM THAT THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
AGAIN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
IT'S NOT, THIS ONE MOVES THROUGH.
HEY, BY THE WAY, JUST LET ME THROW SOMETHING ELSE OUT HERE.
THESE TWO GENTLEMEN RIGHT HERE, WORK FOR OUR STAFF.
DICKINSON DOESN'T LIVE IN A BUBBLE.
UH, WE, WE'VE SAT HERE AND I, I I WANT TO CHECK MYSELF MULTIPLE TIMES.
I'VE SAID WE DON'T TELL LEAK CITY WHAT TO DO.
BUT WE LIVE NEXT TO LAKE CITY.
THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE THERE.
I KNOW MOST OF THE COUNCIL, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
TRAVIS HAS PROBABLY EITHER WORKED WITH 'EM OR KNOWS 'EM PERSONALLY.
THEY, THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBORS ALSO.
AND SO I CAN SAY FOR MY OWN BENEFIT, THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW, I'M GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT BEST ROAD AND GIL ROAD AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT SOME CITIZENS THAT HAVE ISSUES.
OKAY? CAN I PROMISE YOU THAT'LL MAKE A DAMN THING HAPPEN? NO.
BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO TALK TO PEOPLE.
WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THAT ROAD BETTER.
I'M VERY, I'VE BEEN IN THOSE ROADS SEVERAL HUNDRED
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TIMES.UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN, SIR, THAT THING HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AS A SUGGESTION, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I COME NEAR IT AND I SEE THE PEOPLE RUN THROUGH IT TOO, I GET IT.
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU, YOU'RE NOT WRONG.
I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT AND I WANNA SEE IT DEVELOP PROPERLY AND BE THE BEST NEIGHBORS FOR YOU GUYS AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE.
AND THAT INCLUDES ANY WORK THAT WE CAN DO WITH LEAGUE CITY ALSO TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
BEST ROAD ISN'T SITTING IN A LIMBO LAND THAT NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ABOUT.
WE CAN, WE CAN DO SOME STUFF WITH IT.
WE WILL WORK WITH LEAGUE CITY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THAT BEING SAID, BUT BASED ON TRAFFIC DEAL I AND WHAT THE ENGINEER SAID, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME FAITH THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THAT WAY.
WE'RE GOING ON TO ITEM SEVEN C.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO APPROVE BAYOU CHANTILLY.
SECTION TWO, AMENDING PLAT BEING APPROXIMATELY 0.705 ACRES FOR TWO PARCELS.
GENERALLY LOCATED ON OLD BAYOU DRIVE AND LEGAL EDGE DESCRIBES ABSTRACT 11.
A FARMER SURROUNDING LOT SIX BLOCK ONE BAYOU CHANTILLY, SECTION TWO AND ABSTRACT 11.
A FARMER SURROUNDING LOT SEVEN BLOCK ONE BAYOU SECTION TWO.
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8 36.
I'M SORRY TO DRAG YOU OFF ALL THAT.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS, SIR.
WE JUST WANT HAVE A GOOD FOUNDATION.
AND I HOPE YOUR 10 ACRES ARE FANTASTIC, SIR.
WE NEED TO, NO, I SAID, I SAID GOOD.
DEFINITELY WILL
SO WE'RE GONNA REOPEN THE HEARING AT 8 37.
SO THIS ONE, UH, IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT MAYBE Y'ALL AREN'T USED TO HEAR, UH, SEEING.
THIS IS A PLAT THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO YOU.
UH, IN LIGHT OF RECENT CHANGES IN STATE LAW.
UH, THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING IF A PLAT, IF ANY OF THE AREA DURING THE PROCEEDING FIVE YEARS, UH, TO BE RE PLATTED WAS LIMITED BY AN INTERIM OR PERMANENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO RESIDENTIAL USE FOR NOT MORE THAN TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS PER LOT.
UH, AND SO THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UDC, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US CHANGING ZONING.
THIS IS JUST STATE LAW SAYING IF YOU'RE RETTING A LOT AND IT IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, IT WAS ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL TO NOT MORE THAN TWO DWELLING UNITS, THEN IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TODAY.
AND SO THIS IS, UH, A LOT ON OLD BAYOU.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO COMBINE INTO ONE.
UH, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLOT.
AND SO THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SO THEY CAN BUILD A HOME OR A DUPLEX.
UH, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT IDENTIFIED WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
FORGIVE ME, IS THERE AN APPLICANT OR IS THIS THE CITY BASICALLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS? THIS, THIS IS AN APPLICANT.
I WAS NOT SURE IF HE WAS HERE OR NOT.
UH, BUT THIS IS AN APPLICANT AND SO IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME, SIR.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD? UH, SIR, YOU WANNA COME FORWARD? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, YES, I'M, UH, THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A HOUSE.
UH, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS SIR, PLEASE? PARDON? STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
AND, UM, I'M THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY BUILDING ON THE LOT PROBABLY, UM, BECAUSE TEXAS NEW MEXICO HAS A POWER LINE GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF BOTH LOTS.
UH, I'M PUSHED FOR SPACE ON THE FRONT THERE, SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M TRYING TO REPLANT THE, THE LOTS.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD SIR? ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, THAT'S ALL.
I HAVE HAD A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HEAR WORSE THAN ME TONIGHT.
YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT AND WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A, A COMMENT ABOUT THIS? OKAY.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT EIGHT 40 AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 70.
CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION CONCERNING A REQUEST TO APPROVE BAYOU CHANTILLY.
SECTION TWO, AMENDING PLOT BEING APPROXIMATELY 0.705 ACRES FOR TWO PARCELS GENERALLY LOCATED ON OLD BAYOU DRIVE, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 11 A FARMERS SURROUNDING LOT SIX BLOCK ONE BAYOU CHANTILLY, SECTION TWO AND ABSTRACT 11 A FARMERS
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SURROUNDING LOT SEVEN BLOCK ONE, BAYOU CHANTILLY, SECTION TWO.AND I OPEN THE FLOOR TO CONVERSATION.
AND THEN I'LL START THEN, UH, FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE HERE, TRAVIS, HELP ME OUT HERE.
THIS GENTLEMAN OWNS BOTH OF THESE LOTS.
AND WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION WITH THE POWER LINES? UH, THAT I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH.
I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A, A POWER LINE PROBABLY EASEMENT, UH, IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY THAT PROBABLY HAVE PROVIDED A DIFFICULTY TO BUILD WHERE HE WANTED TO BUILD HIS HOUSE.
UH, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S COMBINING THE LOTS AND, UH, ERASING THAT MIDDLE LOT LINE.
UH, AND SO THAT WILL OPEN UP TO WHERE, WHERE HE CAN PLACE HIS HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
ARE ARE YOU WITH THE APPLICANT SIR? I ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AFTER PROBABLY ANSWER THE DEAL WITH THE POWER LINE, WE REPRESENT THE, WE'RE WE'RE OKAY.
ALL THREE OF YOU KIND OF TOGETHER.
IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT? OKAY.
UH, COME TO THE, UH, COUNTER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
WE'LL CALL YOU KIND OF A SEMI REPRESENTATIVE.
I LIVE AT FIVE 11 OLD BAYOU, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET.
SO THE SITUATION IS, IS BECAUSE OF WHERE THE LOT IS RUN, IT'S KIND OF IN A BEND MM-HMM
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHEN TEXAS NEW MEXICO CAME IN AND PUT THE POWER LINES IN, THEY PRETTY MUCH PUT THE POWER POLE RIGHT.
ALMOST SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
SO WITH THE WAY THE CITY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE EASEMENT OFF THE STREET.
BASICALLY IT WOULD PUT THIS GENTLEMAN'S HOUSE THAT HE WANTS TO BUILD RIGHT WHERE THE POWER LINE'S AT.
AND TEXAS AND MEXICO'S NOT GONNA COME IN AND MOVE A POWER LINE.
AND THEN YOU CAN'T BUILD IT ON ONE LOT 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT BIG ENOUGH.
SO HE'S WANTING TO COMBINE THE LOTS INTO ONE AND BE ALLOWED TO MOVE THE HOUSE CLOSER TO THE STREET TO GET AROUND THE WHOLE POWER POLE LINE.
YOU OWN BOTH LOTS, RIGHT? YES, I'M DONE.
UH, I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WE APPROVE, UH, REQUEST TO FLAT THOSE TWO LOTS AS ONE.
IS THERE ANY MORE CONVERSATION? FORGIVE ME.
SORRY YOU HAD TO WAIT THIS LONG.
TELL HIM TO PUT YOU EARLIER IN THE AGENDA NEXT TIME.
ITEM SEVEN E CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO INITIATE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OR ZONING MAP TO ALLOW CERTAIN ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL USE ON SOME PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED URBAN TRANSITION COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY, TRAVIS? INDEED, PLEASE EXPAND.
UH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE THE JUICY ITEM, BUT
UH, SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT TODAY, UH, THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, A DISTRICT CREATED BY THE UDC, UH, THAT ALLOWS FOR TYPICALLY HIGHER DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, AND SO ON THE FAR LEFT, YOU SEE THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE.
I KIND OF CUT IT OFF TO WHERE IT ONLY SHOWS THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS.
UH, IF YOU NOTE THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT, UT THE TOP TWO COLUMNS ARE PROHIBITED.
SO A CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME AND A PATIO HOME ARE BOTH NOT PERMITTED IN URBAN TRANSITION, UH, UH, A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UM, SO WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? FORGIVE ME.
'CAUSE WHAT YOU SAID, JUST SUDDENLY CONVENTIONAL DETACHED HOME IS NOT ALLOWED, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE, BUT A DUPLEX IS NOT ALLOWED.
A DUPLEX IS ALLOWED AND IT ATTACHED HOME, WHAT AM I MISSING HERE? IS ALLOWED THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT IS THAT LIGHT BLUE AT THE VERY TOP.
AND SO THE DASHES ARE PROHIBITED, UH, AND THE CIRCLES ARE ALLOWED.
SO THE EMPTY CIRCLES ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.
THE, THE HALF CIRCLES ARE A SOLID CIRCLE IS ALLOWED WITH, UH, EITHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR LIMITED USE STANDARDS.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE URBAN TRANSITION SITE DEVELOPMENT TABLE.
IT INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR ALL THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, DUPLEX, MULTIPLEX, APARTMENTS, ATTACHED HOMES, OR A PATIO, OR NOT NECESSARILY PATIO.
SO THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP WITH ONLY THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICTS, UH, FILTERED OUT.
SO THIS, THERE'S THE WHITE BROWN COLOR.
UH, THESE ARE AREAS IN DICKINSON THAT ARE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UH, WITH, WITH MAJORITY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
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AND SO WHAT, UH, STAFF HAS EXPERIENCED IN THE, THE MONTHS AFTER THE UDC ADOPTION IS THAT WE'VE HAD PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, OR PEOPLE LOOKING TO PURCHASE PROPERTY, UH, THAT ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP IN THESE URBAN TRANSITIONS AREAS.AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY, THEY WANNA DO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, SO STAFF RECOGNIZES, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF THE URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT, UH, TO PROVIDE HIGHER DENSITY, UH, FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON.
UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO P AND Z TO, TO SEE IF THIS IS P AND Z'S TRUE INTENTION AND TRUE WISH OF, OF HOW THEY WANT THIS DISTRICT REPRESENTED.
I WILL GET TO THAT ONE SECOND.
UM, AND SO WHAT, UH, THIS IS KIND OF A, A RELATED TOPIC AS WELL.
THE SAME DISTRICT URBAN TRANSITION ALSO DOES NOT PERMIT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
SO I KNOW WE TOUCHED ON THOSE A LITTLE BIT IN THE PAST.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW, YOU KNOW, ADUS IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, HOWEVER, URBAN TRANSITION IS, IS INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT.
UH, WHETHER THAT BE BECAUSE IT WOULD, UH, EXCEED THE DENSITY ALLOWED BY URBAN TRANSITION OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE GOALS FROM OUR, UH, CITY.
ONE OF THE GOALS UNDER HOUSING SAYS PROVIDE A DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK WITHIN THE CITY, INCLUDING THE FULL RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES AND VALUES TO ACCOMMODATE VARIOUS INCOME LEVELS FOR EXISTING AND PROSPECTIVE DICKINSON RESIDENTS.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIGH DENSITY NEEDS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WENT FROM THAT GOAL HOUSING, THAT THAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE, OF THE ZONING DISTRICT AS THE INTENTION.
THEY ALSO REWROTE THE COMP PLAN.
IS IT NOT? NO, THIS IS THE, THIS IS 2045.
THIS IS THE CURRENT GOAL FOR HOUSING MM-HMM
AND NOWHERE WHEN I READ THAT, THAT ONE NEVER GOT APPROVED, BY THE WAY.
HUH? THAT ONE NEVER GOT APPROVED.
WELL, HOW DO THEY MAKE A UDC IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT BASED ON GOALS? IT'S NOT.
HUH? IT'S HOW DO YOU HAVE IT'S NOT BASED ON THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WHAT'S IT BASED ON? YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOALS FIRST.
WE HAVE THE 2016 COMP PLAN, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S BEEN VOTED IN BY COUNSEL.
THE UDC ITSELF WAS VOTED IN COMPLETELY IRRESPECTIVE OF THE ACTUAL COMP PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING THE OTHER NIGHT.
I BELIEVE THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY, I, I THINK HE WEIGHED IN ON THAT AND SAID THAT IT IS, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THE COMP PLAN.
NO, I ASKED THE QUESTION, DOES IT HAVE TO BE VOTED IN BY THE CITIZENS? AND HE SAID, NO.
BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE VOTED IN BY COUNCIL COUNCIL.
AND IT WAS NEVER VOTED IN BY COUNSEL.
16 WAS THAT'S THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THE UDC IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUT INTO PLACE AND THEN BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE THE COMP PLAN.
WITH THE COMP PLAN OF MY RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST, THE COMP PLAN SHOULD BE THE GUIDING DOCUMENT.
BUT THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING, THAT'S WHERE ALL, ALL THIS CONVERSATION CAME FROM ABOUT THE I KNOW
THAT WAS NO, I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA SAY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
WAS A PUSH TO GET SQUEEZE MORE PEOPLE IN IN HERE WE'RE GONNA BE LIKE DOWNTOWN HOUSTON.
AND THAT'S NEVER BEEN DICKINSON'S PLAN.
I I DON'T THINK THE, THESE GOALS ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE 16.
AND SO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT GOAL IS DIFFERENT.
THIS GOAL DOESN'T MENTIONED URBAN.
BUT THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE IS BETTER PUTTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU MA'AM.
THIS IS A LOT BETTER THAN PUTTING, I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN WHAT USED TO BE RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT IT'S, BUT TYPICALLY IN LIKE THE PLANNING WORLD, YOU, YOU LOOK AT INTENSITY OF THE USE.
AND SO IF YOU CONSIDER LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THAT USE IS FAIRLY INTENSE.
UH, SO YOU, THERE, THERE'S MORE GUARDRAILS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT IN A ZONING DISTRICT.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LESS COMMON TO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON GOING LESS INTENSE, WHICH WOULD BE A DUPLEX OR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
YOU NEED MORE RULES BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A MONEY BASED TYPE OF INVESTMENT BUILDING.
AS OPPOSED TO A PERSONAL HOME IS A VERY PERSONAL EVENT TO THE PERSONAL'S BUILDING IT, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT TO THE BEST THEY CAN.
I NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING, BUILD A GRADE AND GET BODIES IN THERE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A, A BAZILLION RULES ON HOW TO OPERATE IT.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE GET SOME REQUESTS FOR THIS AND, AND IT'S A HARD TOSS UP BETWEEN
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REZONING.A LOT OF THE CASES, THE REZONING, YOU KNOW, ONE LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN URBAN TRANSITION DISTRICT WILL END UP LOOKING LIKE SPOT ZONING.
UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP OUR ZONING MAP.
AND SO I, I THINK OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO MAINTAIN AND GET TO WHERE, UH, WE HAVE A ZONING MAP THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, UH, FOR ALL.
SO IN LIEU OF, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M ASKING THE DIRECTION FOR Y'ALL.
DO Y'ALL WANT TO ENTERTAIN ALLOWING, ADDING USES TO THE ZONING DISTRICT? DO Y'ALL WANT TO ENTERTAIN? YES.
UH, REZONING CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY OR BOARDS IN REZONING MULTIPLE AREAS OF THE CITY.
THAT'S FOR NOW, IT'LL HELP HIM.
AND THE, THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS, COUNCILMAN CORRECT ME IF ON MY MAYBE MISUNDERSTANDING, WE BROUGHT IT TO THE ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS A, THE, UM, A BRAIN LOCKING SUDDENLY BEFORE THERE WAS THE, UH, UDC, THERE WAS THE CO, UH, WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT PROGRAM CALLED? CONFERENCE THING?
NOW WE WANT UDC, THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME THING WITH TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORDS AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS ON IT.
AND SO WE HAD A ZONING PLAN THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO THE UDC AND WHAT I PERSONALLY BELIEVE, AND I, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, NOT EVERYBODY THAT I WANNA SEE THAT PREVIOUS PLAT OF HOW EVERYTHING WAS LAID OUT, HOW EVERYTHING WAS ZONED.
I WANT THE MAP OF WHAT IT IS TODAY.
AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A CROSS REFERENCE OF WHAT THE ZONING DESCRIPTORS WERE AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THE ONES THAT EXIST TODAY.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE POINTS WHERE THEY DON'T JIVE.
BUT AT SOME POINT, 'CAUSE THERE WERE THINGS, MAN, A LOT OF YEARS WERE SPENT TRYING TO PUT THAT ORIGINAL ZONING MAP TOGETHER.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THERE WAS A LOT OF ERRORS IN IT TOO.
AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO SPEND SEVERAL HOURS, MULTIPLE TIMES TO GO THROUGH THIS THING AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM PROBABLY KNOWS THIS CITY AS GOOD AS ANYBODY.
THAT'S BOB'S NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG POINTS THAT I ASKED TO THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WAS HOW DID YOU GUYS DO A GRAND REZONING WITHOUT GIVING NOTICE? AND THEY SAID THAT THEY CAN WAIVE THE RIGHTS.
AND THE MAYOR SAID, AND THE LAWYER SAID, WE CAN DO THAT ONE TIME.
AND THE MAYOR SAID, WE WILL DO IT ONCE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING REACHES AN AGREEMENT, COUNCIL HAS A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND SAYS THEY AGREE AND THEN WE'LL PRESENT IT.
I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE MY BELIEF THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A PRETTY DAMN BIG OPERATION.
AND IT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT CITYWIDE FOR YEARS TO COME.
AND I HOPE WE DO IT REALLY, REALLY DAMN GOOD.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING TOO, BEFORE THIS WORKSHOP IS THAT YOU'D HAVE BIG EXPANDED MAPS OF WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING, THE OLD, THE NEW AND OKAY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
THIS IS JUST FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE.
WE'RE BASICALLY ALLOWING NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ACTIVITY, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTS IN AN URBAN TRANSITION ZONE THAT IS THE FOCUS OF THE COUNTRY.
CAN I MAKE MOTION? IS THERE A MOTION? THERE IS NO MOTION.
I DIDN'T THINK WE HAD ANY YEAH, NO OFFENSE.
I JUST NO, THIS IS JUST CONSIDER WELL, NO, IT IS CONSIDERATION.
SO I'M, IM, WHAT HE'S WANTING TO DO NOW IS JUST PUT THAT IN THERE NOW, WHICH WE'RE SO THAT HE DOESN'T IN THE NEXT, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES US TO GET THERE.
THE, THE TIMELINE, THIS IS, THIS IS IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
UH, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GONNA BE WORKSHOPPING ALL THIS STUFF.
UM, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ANY SPECIFIC APPLICANT, BUT FOR, FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY, UH, I THINK GETTING SOME DIRECTION ON THIS WOULD, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THIS TIME.
AND SO MY TIMELINE WOULD BE TONIGHT, Y'ALL GIVE ME DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS DISTRICT.
AND AT THE NEXT MEETING I WOULD HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE, UH, FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, IT OBVIOUSLY GOES TO CITY COUNCIL TWICE.
SO YOU WANNA, WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO INCLUDE THE CONVENTIONAL, UM, ATTACHED HOMES AND DETACHED THE DETACHED.
THE DETACHED HOMES AND THE PATIO HOME, THE COMMISSIONAL DETACHED AND PATIO HOME, WHICH ARE BOTH PATIO PROHIBITED URBAN TRANSITION PATIO HOME.
UH, IT HAS A, A STANDARD OF, IT HAS A A ZERO LOT LINE SETBACK ON ONE SIDE.
JUST IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT A PATIO HOME IS.
SO THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THE URBAN TRANSITION IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF THAT IS HER MOTION.
WHAT, WHAT I'M ASKING IF, IF THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD GOTCHA.
UH, DECIDES THEY WANT THE DIRECTION OF THIS DISTRICT TO GO.
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UH, FOR I GUESS FULL CONTEXT, THE REASON I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO PRESENT TO Y'ALL IS THAT THE UEC DOES NOT GIVE EXPRESSIVE PERMISSION TO STAFF TO INITIATE A TEXT OR A ZONING CHANGE.UH, SO I BRING IT TO YOU GUYS AND, AND WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEY CAN VOTE IT IN OR REJECT IT.
YOU, YOU MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO INSTRUCT ME AND, AND I I BRING IT NEXT MEETING.
THERE'S, AS I LOOK THROUGH THIS, I SEE ONE QUESTION MARK.
THE, THE VERY BOTTOM ONE, ALL OTHER GROUP LIVING USES NOT LISTED ABOVE, THAT'S PRETTY WIDE OPEN.
IS THERE SOME POINT THAT THERE'S A LIMITATION ON THAT THAT CALLS IN AT SUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW DOES THAT CONTROLLED A THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR THAT.
IF YOU CLICK ON THAT IN THE UDC WHERE IT SAYS GROUP LIVING IS UNDERLINED, UH, SO IT GIVES YOU AN ACTUAL DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT IS.
UH, BUT MY FAMILIARITY WITH THAT IS THAT IT MIRRORS WHAT IS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW OF GROUP HOMES OR A CHALLENGING THING TO REGULATE, UH, NOT ONLY THE PLANNING WISE, BUT BUILDING CODE AND, AND FIRE CODE AS WELL.
AND, AND I'VE, I'VE ATTENDED A FEW MEETINGS, UH, ON THE STATE LEVEL WITH THIS, THAT, UH, THE GROUP LIVING IS, IS PRETTY MUCH ALLOWED BY STATE LAW.
WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST THE SITES WHERE THIS EVENT, BECAUSE THAT'S, I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, AND I UNDERSTAND, I KNOW THE LAWS AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE IN THE HISTORY, BUT AS WE'VE DONE, JUST LIKE YOU SAID ON THE, THE ZONING MAP WHERE THERE'S INDIVIDUAL LOTS THAT ARE GETTING CALLED UT, WHERE ABSOLUTELY SOMEBODY COULD PUT A NURSING HOME RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SUBDIVISION.
IT WOULDN'T BE A DAMN THING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT.
YOU THINK WE'RE AGGRAVATED TONIGHT? WAIT, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THEN.
SO THAT'S, WE CAN'T ZONE THAT.
IF IT'S UT GROUP LIVING, NURSING HOMES, ASSISTED LIVING, IT COULD BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE WOULDN'T BE A DAMN THING I COULD DO ABOUT IT.
THEY'RE PROTECTED UNDER FEDERAL LAW, CORRECT? MM-HMM
AS LONG AS WE ALLOW THEM A PLACE TO DO IT.
BUT IF WE GO STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE SOME DEFENSE.
THERE HAS BEEN CASES WHERE EVEN IN RESIDENTIAL THEY'VE LOST PEOPLE, PUT RECOVERY CENTERS IN FRICKING NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE LOST.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION MARK? YES.
AND WHAT WAS, I'M SORRY TO, TO ADD THE PATIO HOMES AND CONVENTIONAL NEXT COMMITMENT.
ANY MORE COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NOW I'LL TAKE THE IMPORTANT MOTION THAT ALL YOURS
THANK YOU FOR NOT YELLING TOO.
SO DAVID BLACK, SHE AGAIN, 5 22 SHERWOOD FOREST AVENUE, DICKINSON, TEXAS.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK THOUGH IS FOR YOU GUYS TO HELP ME OUT IN THAT THE LOT, THERE'S TWO WOODED, LOTS ON ELM STREET, FULLY WOODED, LOTS THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.
THERE'S HOMES ON THE WHOLE STREET.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S WHAT, FOUR PROPERTIES THAT WERE RAISED UP? SIX OR EIGHT FEET.
I'M GOING 12 FEET UP IN THE AIR.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD A LITTLE TREE HOUSE, YOU KNOW.
AND UH, SO LAST MONTH COUNCIL APPROVED SOMETHING.
Y'ALL HELPED PUSH THROUGH THAT, THAT OTHER LOT.
WE ALLOWED HIM TO GO AHEAD AND GET REZONED.
CAN CAN I PLEASE GET ON THE AGENDA AND WHILE Y'ALL ARE WORKING, THIS WHOLE PROCESS THIS'S FANTASTIC PROCESS, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND TREAT ME THE SAME WAY YOU TREATED THIS OTHER GUY TWO LOTS FROM ME AND, AND, AND CONSIDER ALLOWING MY REZONING FROM UT.
WE CAN'T OFFICIALLY DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT OFFICIALLY, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND COUNCIL HAS KIND OF DIRECTED PUT ON THE AGENDA.
I MEAN, WHY CAN'T YOU PUT ME ON THE AGENDA? AGENDA? WELL, THE, THE, UH, COUNCIL AND MAYOR MAKES THE AGENDAS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.
WE HAD OUR PAPERWORK IN, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS AGENDA.
I DID DROP THE CALL AND I EXPLAINED THAT TO YOU ON THE PHONE.
I'LL HOLD HIM IF YOU WANNA HIT HIM.
WHAT WE JUST DID SHOULD, SO IT WILL TAKE MORE TIME.
I ASK YOU QUESTION CAN LEGALLY DO IT.
WHEN ARE YOU NEEDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT? TO REZONE? HUH? MY PROPERTY ON 35 18 FROM URBAN TRANSITION UHHUH TO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TERM I READ WHILE AGO? YEAH.
JUST WHEN ARE, WHEN ARE YOU WANTING TO START BUILDING? WELL, WELL THE, YEAH, I MEAN THE TIMELINE IS SET BECAUSE OF THE REZONING.
I MEAN, THE GUY I BOUGHT IT FROM WAS GOING TO DO THE PROCESS AND THEN HE CAME BACK THROUGH THE REALTORS AND SAID, OH, THE CITY SAID NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
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NOT GONNA HAPPEN.I SAID, LET'S JUST CLOSE THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TO THE CITY ALSO.
AND THE CITY SAID YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
SO, SO NOW I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA LIKE, AND SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GONNA LIKE ONE, THE COUNCIL HAS GIVEN SOME DEGREE OF LATITUDE TO STAFF TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE THESE SCENARIOS.
UH, ONE THING THAT WE CANNOT FRICKING GO PAST IS STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS ON NOTIFICATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
TRAVIS, I WISH YOU HADN'T DROPPED A BALL ON THAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS COUNCIL, THIS COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL WILL BE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO HELP YOU GET THROUGH THAT EXACT SITUATION.
'CAUSE THAT IS 100% WHAT OUR MEETING WAS ABOUT LAST WEEK.
CITIZENS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND THE ZONING IS MAKING THEIR LIFE DIFFICULT.
AND THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENTION.
OR I WAS CHEER AS HELL, NOT THIS COMMISSION OR THE CURRENT COUNCIL'S, UH, PLAN.
SO TRAVIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEGALLY I CAN TELL YOU THE, I, I KNOW CHASE IS GONNA HAVE TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO ASSIST DAVID AND, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOUR SITUATION.
GET THE FINAL MOTION OF THE EVENING.
I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN APPROVED.
SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF.
I JUST WANNA SAY TIME TRAVIS, I'M SPENT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT WITH ALL OF US.