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WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND,[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
UH, CALL THIS, UH, SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER AND GO AHEAD AND GET A CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM.PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNNY SIMPSON.
COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SCHRADER.
WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PLANNING ZONING.
AND WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.
[3. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
WE'LL JUST GO STRAIGHT TO NUMBER THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS.UH, DO I NOT HAVE, DID ANYONE SIGN UP FOR WHERE'S THE SHEETS? YEAH, THE SHEETS.
THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON HERE.
YOU GOT SOMEBODY? SIGN UP THE PUBLIC
UH, SO WE GOT PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.
COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.
NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.
ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE.
AND THE FIRST ON THE LIST, WE GOT MS. ANN BRAGG.
I THINK I ACTUALLY NEED TO SPEAK AT THE REGULAR MEETING.
IT'LL BE ON THAT LIST OUT THERE, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET ON THERE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, MR. ROBERT BRAGG.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
I'M A BROKER AND CO-OWNER OF BAYOU REALTORS HERE IN DICKINSON.
I WAS ACTUALLY BORN DOWN THE STREET IN THE, UH, TECH CITY MAINLAND HOSPITAL AND ATTENDED DICKINSON SCHOOL DISTRICT.
GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL IN 87, AND LIKE MANY OF THOSE MY AGE AT THAT TIME, I TOOK OFF, GOT OUTTA DICKINSON AND GOT A JOB, HAD A FAMILY.
BUT I EVENTUALLY DRIFTED BACK HERE TO DICKINSON, JOINED UP WITH MY MOTHER, ANN BRAGG, WHO WAS JUST TALKING TO YOU THERE, STARTED BY YOUR REALTORS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET IN 1980.
I JOINED HER IN OCTOBER OF 2009.
AND THEN LAST YEAR I ACTUALLY JOINED UP AS REJOINING MIGHT SAY, AS CO-OWNER AND A BROKER OF BAYOU REALTORS.
I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR WHAT SHE BUILT AND PROUD TO CONTINUE THAT LEGACY WITH HER.
UH, THIS YEAR, OR, YEAH, JUST OCTOBER THIS MONTH.
I HIT MY 16 YEARS WITH BAYOU REALTORS HERE IN DICKINSON.
SO WHILE I WENT AWAY FOR A WHILE, I CONSIDER MYSELF STILL A LOCAL.
I I SHARE THAT HISTORY, JUST SO YOU SEE THAT.
I'VE SEEN DICKINSON FROM A, A WIDE PERSPECTIVE, SEEN IT FROM THE EYES OF A KID LOOKING FOR THAT PLAYGROUND OR PARK TO GO PLAY IN FROM HIGH SCHOOL LOOKING FOR THAT MOVIE THEATER OR WHERE TO GO HANG OUT WITH MY FRIENDS WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
I'VE SEEN IT THROUGH, UH, AFAR WHEN I LIVED IN FORT WORTH AND THE HURRICANES WERE COMING AND I TOLD MY PARENTS, GET THE HECK OUTTA DICKINSON AND JUST COME STAY WITH ME FOR THE WEEKEND.
AND OF COURSE NOW WHEN I SEE THOSE STORMS COMING, I'M LIKE, LET'S LOCK IT DOWN.
WE'RE STAYING PUT AND WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE
AND FINALLY, JUST AS A LOCAL AND WORKING IN THIS TOWN TO EARN MONEY FOR THE LAST 16 YEARS TO HELP MY CLIENTS PURCHASE LAND, SELL PROPERTY IN DICKINSON.
SO OVER THE YEARS I'VE SEEN DICKINSON GO THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES, SOME EXCITING, SOME DIFFICULT, AND THAT'S KINDA WHAT BRINGS ME HERE TONIGHT.
WE ALL KNOW THAT CHANGE COMES WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PAIN AND CONFUSION BEFORE IT STARTS TO MAKE SENSE.
I KIND OF THINK ABOUT COMPARING IT TO CLEANING OUT A GARAGE.
WHEN YOU GO TO ORGANIZE YOUR GARAGE, YOU PULL IT ALL OUT, YOU LAY IT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE HAVING A GARAGE SALE AND PEOPLE COME AND ASK FOR YOUR STUFF AND YOU'RE LIKE, GET AWAY.
I'M JUST ORGANIZING THEM, JUST CLEANING.
AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET IT ALL PUT BACK INTO PLACE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
SO I KIND OF LOOK AT THAT WITH THE ZONING MAP AND THE ZONING CHANGES THAT WE HAD THAT STARTED IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.
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THAT WE WANT GROWTH PROGRESS, THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.BUT I DO SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE WE RUSHED IN IMPROVING A NEW ZONING MAP BEFORE WE REALLY LOOKED AT THAT MAP TO DECIDE HOW IT AFFECTED THE PEOPLE IN THOSE ZONES.
I SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY LAID OUT SOME COLORS AND SLAPPED IT OVER A CENTER CIRCLE AND SAID, THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD LAY OUT FROM THE CENTER POINT ON.
UM, THANK GOODNESS THERE'S BEEN SOME CORRECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED DEALING WITH THE NEW ZONE, THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DIDN'T EVEN ALLOW FOR RETAIL, WHICH CLEARLY WAS A MISTAKE, BUT IT TOOK SOME TIME.
IT TOOK A MEETING TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WAS THAT THE INTENTION.
SO I KNOW THAT, AGAIN, WHEN YOU MAKE CHANGES, YOU HAVE TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE ISSUES.
SO LUCKILY WE HAVE RETAIL AGAIN.
AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL DID A RECENT REZONING OF THE STRIP CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN THAT WAS SWITCHED TO URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH SUDDENLY MEANT THAT, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXTRA 30 SECONDS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREAS OF CONCERN, I'M REALLY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE AREAS BEHIND ZIGLARS.
THAT ENTIRE AREA GOT CHANGED TO DOWNTOWN AND URBAN TRANSITION.
NEITHER OF THOSE ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO YOU LOOK ON YOUR LEFT AND YOU SEE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND YOU'RE AN EMPTY LOT.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT COULD GO THERE IS A DUPLEX OR AN APARTMENT OR A RESTAURANT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO RE-LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THESE ZONES THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
LOOK AT HOW THE PROPERTY THAT SITS THERE IS SITUATED AND COME UP WITH MAYBE SOME REZONING OF SOME AREAS TO ACCOMMODATE SINGLE FAMILY.
WE GOT, UH, MR. GARLAND COPELAND, COMMISSION COUNCILORS COMMIT CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SOMETIME AGO I PERMIT, I PRE, I SUBMITTED A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST FOR INFORMATION RELATED TO THE UDC.
AND I HAD THREE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED IN THAT REQUEST.
UH, ONE OF THEM WAS A COPY OF THE FINAL REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE THE COUNCIL ACTED ON THE REPORT FROM UDC OR ON THE UDC.
THE, UH, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE STATUTES THAT ARE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME, AND THEY WERE CHANGED THE YEAR BEFORE, AND THEN THEY'VE BEEN CHANGED WITH THE RECENT LEGISLATURE.
BUT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT IS IN THE STATUTE RELATED TO THIS IS THE COUNCIL CAN DO NOTHING UNTIL THEY GET THE FINAL REPORT FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UH, I DON'T, I WAS NOT GIVEN THAT FINAL REPORT.
UH, I'VE BEEN, UH, HAD ONE CONVERSATION WITH SOME PEOPLE THAT INDICATED THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF FINAL REPORT, BUT IF IT EXISTS, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT TITLED FINAL REPORT AND A COPY OF IT.
FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH WE'LL GO TO FOR
[4.A Joint discussion between the City Council and the City of Dickinson Planning and Zoning Commission regarding the City’s Unified Development Code and potential amendments thereto, and possible action regarding same.]
A JOINT DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF DICKINSON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.OH, ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING THE CITY UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS THERETO AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING SAME.
ALRIGHT, WELL, I'M GLAD WE'RE ALL MEETING TODAY.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT, UM, THE UDC HAS SOME ISSUES INSIDE OF IT.
UM, WHETHER IT IS THE CORRECT ZONING, IF IT'S THE INCORRECT ZONING, UM, IF IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT THE CORRECT USE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE'RE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT.
SO THE BIG THING I WANT TO REALLY STRESS TO EVERYONE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS TONIGHT, THE UDC ITSELF IS NOT THE ISSUE.
THE EXECUTION OF THE UDCI THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE WAS NOT, IS NOT AS IDEAL.
UM, BUT THERE IS A TON OF CITIES OUT THERE INCLUDING PEARLAND, FRIENDSWOOD, WEBSTER, LEAGUE CITY, THAT ALL USE THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENT.
WE JUST HAVE TO REFINE OURS TO ACTUALLY FIT OUR, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO AS A COMMUNITY.
SO JUST WANTED TO LAY THAT OUT THERE.
WHO, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MR. CAREY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST OF ALL, OR LEAD WITH
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YES, SIR.NO, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING THIS EVENING.
I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE GET TOGETHER, WE TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
I WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU SO WE CAN, UH, WORK FORWARD AND, AND COME TO A RESOLUTION AS TO HOW WE, TO HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED AS A CITY.
SO, UH, UH, I THINK THIS IS, UH, MUCH OVERDUE.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING AND LET'S JUST GET INTO IT.
SO, HAVE Y'ALL BEEN IN Y'ALL, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY INPUT THAT Y'ALL LIKE TO GIVE US TO KIND OF START THIS, UM, CONVERSATION? YEAH, I, I WILL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR.
UM, I'M BRUCE HENDERSON, PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, PLANNING ZONING COMMITTEE.
AND FORGIVE ME, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR KIND OF STEPPING AHEAD OF EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY'S GONNA SURELY HAVE GREAT CONVERSATION ON IT.
UM, A FEW OF THE THINGS KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, MAYOR, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT US TO WASTE A WHOLE EVENING TRYING TO JUST BASH THE UDC, UH, AS A WHOLE.
WE, WE DID HAVE A PROGRAM BEFORE THE MUNI CODE THAT WAS EFFECTIVE, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMITATIONS WERE AND THAT IT, BUT IT WORKED AS I UNDERSTOOD IT.
UM, KIND OF THE, THE BIGGEST GIST THAT I'M, I HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH IS THE UDC WAS PUSHED THROUGH.
AND FOR THE RECORD, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE DID NOT, NEVER REACHED A CONCLUSION ON, IN FACT, WE ASKED THAT IT BE TABLED BECAUSE WE NEEDED A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
WE NEVER GOT IT AND WENT STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL, GOT VOTED IN CONVERSATION OVER.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE PLANNING AND ZONING STOOD ON THAT.
ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS IN THE, UH, IN LINE WITH MR. COPELAND'S POINT, I HAVE SOME PROBLEMS FROM A LEGALITY PERSPECTIVE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPERATIVE, AND HELP ME ON MY MEMORY, UH, CARRIE, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DIDN'T IT HAVE TO BE VOTED BY THE CITY TO ADOPT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IT WASN'T JUST A, A VOTE BY COUNCIL.
DOESN'T THAT HAVE TO BE A, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITIZENS? MR. DO, CAN YOU ASSIST US WITH THAT? AND MR. HENDERSON, WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING TO, WE WERE SPEAKING TO EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS, THAT CHARTING TO COURSE, UH, TO 2045.
I'M ACTUALLY GETTING THINKING OF CONTRACT.
IT IS ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, CORRECT? YEAH.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COMP PLAN ADOPTION AND WHETHER THAT REQUIRES AN ELECTION, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS IN THE CITY'S, UH, PROGRAM AND WHETHER THAT REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY? YEAH.
IS THAT, UH, IT DOES NOT, IT DOES NOT.
IT WAS JUST COUNCIL THAT VOTED IN, UH, A COMP PLAN.
COMP PLANS ARE AMENDED, UPDATED, YOU KNOW, REVISED BY COUNCIL, VOTE, ALL THAT.
I WAS ON COUNCIL AND I STILL DIDN'T REMEMBER.
BUT, UH, POINT BEING BOTTOM LINE, UH, IN THE CITY CHART, IT DEMANDS THAT WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OKAY? WE DID NOT HAVE ONE PRIOR TO 2016.
WE HAD BEEN IN VIOLATION OF OUR OWN CHARTER FOR UMPTEEN YEARS, UH, WITH A LOT OF WORK BY THE COUNCIL AND STAFF AT THAT TIME, A CHARTER, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CREATED.
AND THEN IT WAS A VERY DETAILED PORTION TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLANNING AND EVERYTHING.
AND IT WAS A LOT OF ENERGY WAS PUT INTO THAT.
NOW, UH, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT, AND THAT HAS BEEN THE, THE POINT THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN FOLLOWING FOR A LONG TIME, EVEN IF WE HAVE AN ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.
UH, THE UDC CAME IN AND BASICALLY TOOK AN ENTIRE SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THREW IT IN THE TRASH CAN.
NOT EVEN POLITELY, IT JUST DISREGARDED AN ENTIRE SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THREW IT AWAY.
AND I HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THAT.
NOT NOT GETTING ANGRY ABOUT IT.
IT JUST, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH COMPLETELY DISMISSING SOMETHING THAT SO MANY PUTS SO MUCH EFFORT INTO.
NOW, THE NEXT THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS A MAJOR PROBLEM OF MINE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY AND WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED THE CITY TO BECOME.
OVER A, I THINK IT'S A, IS A 30 YEAR PROGRAM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS WAS AN AGREEMENT, A LOT OF MEETINGS, LOT OF DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY WAS GONNA BE.
THE UDC COMES IN, COMES IN WITH AN ENTIRELY NEW PLANNING AND ZONING PROGRAM, TOSSED EVERY ONE OF OUR DEFINITIONS ASIDE, TOOK COMPLETELY WHITEWASHED THE ENTIRE ZONING PROGRAM THAT WE DID FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, THAT PEOPLE HAD COME BEFORE US AND HAD REQUESTED AND GOTTEN PERMITS AND HAD TO PAY MONEY AND HAD TO GO IN FRONT OF ALL THE PEOPLE TO GET ALL THIS STUFF.
AND THEN NOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING IN A ZONE THAT WAS THE RIGHT FOR THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THEIR HOUSE.
SUDDENLY PEOPLE GOTTA COME HERE.
AND THEY HAD, THROUGH NO CHOICE OF THEIR OWN, THEY HAD NO VOTE.
SUDDENLY THEY HAVE TO BECOME, SPEND SIX, EIGHT, $900 FOR PERMITS TO GET THINGS CHANGED TO CHANGE ZONINGS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS ARBITRARILY CHANGED.
WELL, SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY, SO IF YOU'RE IN A ZONE, THERE WAS A GRANDFATHER CAUSE RIGHT.
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THING IS WHY THEY SAY THEY, THEY SHOULD REGISTER THE UN THE, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE, UH, NONCONFORMING, NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES.IT IS NOT SAYING YOU'RE GONNA GET, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST COUNCIL MEETING MM-HMM
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET PENALIZED FOR NOT DOING IT.
IT'S, THAT IS THE VERIFICATION THAT SAYS YOU WERE CONFORMING BEFORE THE UDC MM-HMM
AND YOU'RE GOOD AS LONG AS YOU ARE STILL THE OCCUPANT.
IF YOU LEAVE, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT BACK TO THE ZONE.
SO NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, I ALSO AGREE THAT THERE'S WRONG, THERE IS THE WRONG ZONES IN PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AS WELL, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE OUR UDC TO MIMIC MORE OF WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
I WOULD COMPARE WITH THAT, ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO DISASSOCIATE THE CRAPPY PART OF THE UDC, RIGHT.
THE UNFORTUNATE PART, WHICH WAS THE INPUT OF IT, NOT THE TOOL ITSELF.
THE TOOL CAN BE VERY, VERY GOOD.
WE HAVE TO GET THE RIGHT INPUTS TO GET PUT IN IS WHAT MY, MY RECORD.
AND EVERY TIME I SMASH MY FINGER WITH A HAMMER, I DON'T BLAME THE HAMMER.
I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC.
I DON'T NEED TO BELABOR THE POINT.
UH, ONE THING THOUGH, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND, AND NO DISRESPECT TO STAFF, BUT THEY MADE A POINT TO US ONE NIGHT THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME.
AND THAT WAS A QUESTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AGAIN, WAS DEVELOPED TO MAKE A FUTURE FOR THE CITY, WHAT THE GOALS OF THE CITIZENS WERE FOR OUR CITY.
AND IN THE COURSE OF CONVERSATING WITH, UH, STAFF, UH, IT WAS STATED, AND AGAIN, NOT TO THROW ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS, IT WASN'T THAT I FELT THERE WAS A, TRYING TO BE UNDERHANDED OR ANYTHING, BUT ULTIMATELY IT SEEMED LIKE BASED ON THE WAY THAT THE UDC ZONING PROGRAM WAS LAID OUT, THE, THE TERM WAS MAXIMUM DENSITY.
AND IT, IT WAS THE, THIS ZONING PROGRAM IS LAID OUT SO THAT WE CAN GET MAXIMUM DENSITY IN THE CITY LIMITS OF DICKINSON.
AND I VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVELY DISAGREE WITH THAT GOAL.
I SO SPEAK FOR MYSELF ON THAT.
MY, THE, THE I'M COURT CAN SPEAK THEIR OWN.
I WANNA SAY ONE THING TO THAT, 'CAUSE I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU SAID WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
SO I WAS NOT IN ANY OF THESE MEETINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I WASN'T A PART OF ANY OF THIS.
HOWEVER, WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE UDC AND I LOOKED AT THE, THE LAND PLAN THAT THE UDC LAID OUT THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE IN MY HEAD, IT WAS THEY WANTED TO CHANGE WHAT WAS IN THE CURRENT LOCATION.
RIGHT? SO ONCE AGAIN, MAX, MAX EFFICIENCY, MAX AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, HOUSING, A MAX AMOUNT OF EVERYTHING MM-HMM
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT WE HAVE A COUNCIL, WE HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING THAT WE CAN FIX ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS. UM, WE JUST ACTUALLY HAVE TO CALL WHAT A PROBLEM IS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE.
SO COUNSEL, IF ANYONE HAS SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS TOPIC AS WELL, AND THEN AS WELL AS THE REST OF YOUR BOARD, AND I'LL STOP ON THAT.
LADIES, GENTLEMEN, I THINK I'VE, I'VE BARNT SANDED ENOUGH ON THAT ONE.
LET ME LEAP OUT HERE FOR A SECOND.
I, I BELIEVE THAT THE ZONING MAP CHANGES, UM, KIND OF STARTED THIS DOWN THE WRONG PATH.
UH, WE ATTEMPTED TO MAKE A BUNCH OF THOSE CHANGES RIGHT THERE AT THE VERY END.
AND, UH, WE WERE TOLD AS COUNSEL, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
WE WILL GET THOSE CHANGED AFTER WE PASS IT.
UM, SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE AREAS OF TOWN THAT GOT MISSED MOVE, UH, BEING MOVED INTO A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THERE ARE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS SMACK DAB, AS ROBERT SAID, IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I THINK PROBABLY THE START ON THIS THING SHOULD BE, LET'S ROLL THAT MAP OUT AGAIN AND LET'S USE A LITTLE LOGIC AND, UH, UH, CHANGE BACK THE CORNER OF OAK AND DEE, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL ON ALL FOUR CORNERS.
CHANGE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS INTENDED.
THERE'S, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THAT THEY TRIED DESPERATELY TO GET MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN DICKINSON AND THEY GRABBED ANYTHING THAT HAD HIGH TRAFFIC AND TRIED TO CHANGE THAT THING.
I THINK WE GET THE MAP OUT WITH OUR COLORS ON THERE.
WE CAN CORRECT ABOUT 80% OF THE PROBLEM'S, GET EVERYBODY BACK TO THE DISTRICT THEY BELONG IN YOU.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE, IT SEEMS THAT THE MAIN THING THAT, THAT I, NOT ME OKAY.
IS THAT WE REALIZE WHAT WE ARE AS A CITY.
AND, UH, THIS IS ALL OF US AGREE.
THIS IS A, A VERY UNIQUE CITY.
IT'S NOT A BEDROOM CITY LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GROWN UP HERE, THEY ALL RESPECT THAT.
SO THAT SHOULD BE OUR STARTING POINT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MAP.
IS WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT IN KEEPING THE CITY, YOU KNOW? SURE.
GROWTH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
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UH, BUT KEEPING A CHARACTER OF THE CITY IS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE START THAT.SO, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT CREPT THEM TO HIGHWAY THREE THAT USED TO BE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THAT THEY WERE SOLD OFF AND PEOPLE BUILT HOUSES THERE.
AND I CAN SEE CERTAIN AREAS, FIVE 17, HIGHWAY 3, 12 66, THAT THOSE KIND OF CALL OUT TO BE A COMMERCIAL AREA JUST BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING.
AND I, I THINK WE CAN ROLL THE MAP OUT AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND GET US MOST OF THE WAY THERE.
I VOTED FOR THE UDC ONLY BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT WE COULD BE MAKING THESE CHANGES THE NEXT DAY.
AND WE, WE LOST THE LADY THAT, UH, KIND OF SPEARHEADED THAT DEAL.
AND IT WAS, UH, A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
AND THAT, THAT OF COURSE IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COMMISSION, IS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE THOSE, THAT'S MAINLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, IS MAKING THOSE CHANGES AGAIN AND AGAIN.
AND SO THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO, TO DO THAT.
CAN I ASK A TECHNICAL QUESTION ON THAT? COUNSEL? I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ROLLING OUT A MAP.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE HAVE A, A PREVIOUS ZONING MAP THAT WASN'T TOO FAR OFF, OFF THE RIGHT FORCE.
UH, WHAT ARE THE LEGALITIES OF DOING SOMETHING, DOING A WHOLESALE REZONING OF A CITY? AGAIN, IS THERE ANY LEGALITIES ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO IN THAT REGARD? I MEAN, NORMALLY I THINK, AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO LIKE, HAVE SIGNS AND NOTICE AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHENEVER WE'RE DOING REZONING YET WE CAN WHOLESALE CHANGE A WHOLE CITY WITH NO NOTICE? NOPE.
HOW, HOW DOES THE RULES ON THAT? SO, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE IS BECAUSE THEY, THEY WAITED, THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AFTER THE FACT.
WELL NOW EVERY TIME IT GOES INTO EFFECT, WE HAVE THOSE CERTAIN NOTICES BY LAW WE HAVE TO DO.
SO NOW WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO, I MEAN IN MY HEAD, IS FIND ALL THE PROBLEMS AT ONE TIME.
PUT NOTICES OUT ALL AT ONE TIME SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TRY TO STREAMLINE IT.
BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS EXACTLY WHAT SOME, SOME PEOPLE HERE HAVE BROUGHT UP IS IF YOU WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING AND YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO COST YOU MONEY, AND IT'S A SIX MONTH DELAY IN MOST PROJECTS.
WHY EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE A GIANT PAIN IN THE BUTT, WE HAVE TO DO IT.
AGAIN, NOT JUST BASHING ON UDC.
BUT HOW DID WE MANAGE TO ACHIEVE A WHOLESALE REZONING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THESE? HOW, HOW DID THAT LEGALLY HAPPEN, MR. DOE? YEAH.
SO NOTICE WAS PROVIDED, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL IS ALLOWED TO, PRIOR TO DOING A, UH, A COMPREHENSIVE REZONING LIKE THAT TO ADOPT, ALTERNATE TO NOTICE PROCEDURES, WHICH THE COUNCIL DID.
AND THE ALTERNATE PROCEDURE WAS TO PROVIDE NOTICE BY PUBLICATION, UH, ONLY VERSUS LIKE SENDING IN, UH, OR SENDING OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, INDIVIDUAL NOTICES TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER.
SO WHAT STOPS US FROM DOING IT NOW? NOTHING.
THAT'S WHY WE, SIR, GO AHEAD, PHIL.
UM, GETTING BACK TO THE, UH, NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GRANDFATHER, BUT THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE PROBLEM.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET A PERMIT TO CHANGE THAT PROPERTY OR TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY.
ALSO, YOU SAY WHEN THEY GO TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, UM, THAT PROPERTY, THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN GREATLY DIMINISHED BY THE FACT THAT, THAT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME AND A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S BEEN ZONED COMMERCIAL.
WELL, SO THE ONE THING ABOUT THE NON-CONFORMING IS IF YOU STILL LIVE THERE AND YOU WERE CONFORMING PRIOR, YOU CAN STILL ASK FOR, FOR PERMITS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF YOU BEING GRANDFATHERED IN.
YOU CANNOT, YOU CAN GET A PERMIT TO HIM IMPROVE THE PROPERTY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM, UNLESS I'M COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT NO, THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO REPAIR, MAINTAIN, ALTER, OR ENLARGE AS LONG AS THE REPAIR DOES NOT INCREASE OR CREATE A NEW NON-CONFORMITY.
BUT WHAT CANNOT HAPPEN IS WHEN YOU SELL IT, IT CANNOT GO TO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
IF IT WAS, IF WE STILL DEEM IT TO BE COMMERCIAL NOW, WAIT.
I'D LIKE READ WHAT'D YOU JUST READ? COULD YOU READ THAT AGAIN? YES.
UH, A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE MAY BE REPAIRED, MAINTAINED, ALTERED, OR ENLARGED.
HOWEVER, NO SUCH REPAIR, MAINTENANCE ALTERATION OR ENLARGEMENT SHALL CREATE ANY NEW NON-CONFORMITY OR INCREASE THE DEGREE OF THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY.
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IT.YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ADD A ROOM ONTO YOUR HOUSE.
YOU CAN'T PUT A NEW SIGN UP OUTSIDE YOUR BUSINESS EITHER.
I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.
BUT LET, LET'S, OKAY, SO SAME THING HERE.
HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE BEST PART AS WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE THAT.
SO THE, THE WHOLE THING IS THIS IS, THIS IS A TOOL THAT WE CAN USE IF WE DON'T LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE.
AND WE'LL CHANGE IT IF IT MAKES SENSE IN THAT TIME.
SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS CONVERSATION IS WE HEAR YOU, WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOU THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS.
WE'RE SAYING, TELL US WHAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE.
AND IF WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY TO WHERE WE CAN EXPEDITE, IF YOU HAVE 25 CHANGES ALL AT ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT.
SO THEN NOW OUR, OUR CITIZENS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
SO NO, I'M NOT, AGAIN, IF, IF WE NEED TO GET RID OF THAT VERBIAGE SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW PEOPLE THAT ARE IN, UH, NON-CONFORMING TO STILL TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT I'M NOT GONNA DO IS IF WE SAY THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS ON FIVE 17, AND YES, IT'S RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY, BUT WE HAD TO ZONE IT COMMERCIAL 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON ONE OF THE MAIN FREEWAYS OR HIGHWAYS, THAT'S A TOUGH SPOT OF SAYING, HEY, LET'S, LET'S KEEP 'EM RESIDENTIAL FOREVER.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
YEAH, I THINK BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS COMMERCIAL ALSO IS MORE VALUABLE THAN RESIDENTIAL.
SO IF YOU GET A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE MORE MONEY ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAN RESIDENTIAL.
HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM IS, LIKE YOU SAID, IF IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
SO WE HAVE TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS. EXACTLY.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION PLEASE.
SO LET'S SAY, I'LL PICK ON BRUCE.
MR. HENDERSON HAS A HOUSE FOR SALE, MR. BRAGG, MR THE REAL ESTATE AGENT, AND I BUY IT FROM MR. HENDERSON AND IT'S HIS RESIDENCE, BUT IT IS ON COMMERCIAL OR ONE OF THE OTHER ONES.
WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF I BUY THAT HOUSE, I CAN'T LIVE IN IT AS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.
I CAN STILL LIVE IN IT, CORRECT.
NOW CAN I COME IN AND GET PERMITS AND CHANGE IT TO ADD A BEDROOM OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE? IF I WANT TO, SINCE IT'S NON-CONFORMING AND I KNEW IT WAS NON-CONFORMING WHEN I BOUGHT IT.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF NONCONFORMITIES.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO FLAVORS OF THAT.
ONE IS NON-CONFORMITY AS TO USE AND THE OTHER IS NON-CONFORMITY AS TO STRUCTURE.
SO NON-CONFORMITY AS TO USE WOULD BE YOU'RE UTILIZING THE PROPERTY, SAY A HOUSE ON A LOT WHERE THAT LOT HAS BEEN REZONED TO A COMMERCIAL USE.
SO YOUR USE OF THAT LAND IS A NON-CONFORMING USE.
THE NON-CONFORMING USE ONLY GOES AWAY IF THE USE IS ABANDONED.
AND TYPICALLY THE THRESHOLD FOR THAT IS IF IT SITS VACANT UNOCCUPIED FOR SIX MONTHS, IT DOESN'T GET LOST.
12 MONTHS IN OUR UDC, UH, IT DOESN'T GET LOST DUE TO CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S WHY LET'S GO ONE STEP FARTHER.
BECAUSE OF WHERE WE LIVE, THEY GET FLOODED.
I GET HIT BY A TORNADO OR A HURRICANE AND WIPES IT OUT 50% OF THE VALUE.
NOW CAN I BUILD IT BACK AS A RESIDENTIAL OR DO I HAVE TO MEET THE NEW ZONING CODE? NO, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT, UH, TRIGGER FOR THAT NON-CONFORMING USE GOING AWAY.
AND THAT IS, UH, BY, BY LOSS, YOU KNOW, OF THE USE WHERE RESTORING IT, UH, COSTS OVER 50%.
AND THEN THE OTHER NON-CONFORMITY I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS NON-CONFORMING OF STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN HAVE THAT WHERE THE ZONING USE ITSELF NEVER CHANGED, BUT LET'S SAY THE REGS CHANGED WHERE THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS INCREASED FROM WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE WHEN YOU BUILT THE HOUSE TO WHAT THEY ARE NOW.
SO WITH THE INCREASE IN SETBACK NOW YOUR HOUSE IS ACTUALLY ENCROACHING INTO THE NEW SETBACK.
SO THAT MAKES THE HOUSE A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
THE HOUSE IS A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
WHEN YOU HAVE A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN'T DO THINGS LIKE ENLARGE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE ENLARGING THE NON-CONFORMITY, WHICH IS THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UNLESS YOU, WHEN YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, REVAMPING OR REDOING THE HOUSE, YOU REMOVE THE NON-CONFORMITY, YOU KNOW, YOU TEAR DOWN A WALL AND MAKE IT CONFORM WITH THE NEW SETBACKS AND IT'S ALL FAIR GAME.
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WE TALK ABOUT NONCONFORMITIES, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THERE WERE TWO TYPES NONCONFORMITY HAS TO USE AND NON-CONFORMITY HAS TO STRUCTURE.SO IF I GET MORE THAN 50% DAMAGE AFTER A HURRICANE AND ALL THESE NEW CODE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT ARE, CAN I REBUILD THAT HOUSE THAT I WAS LIVING IN BACK ON THE ORIGINAL SLAB IT'S ON? OR DO I HAVE TO CHIP AWAY THE SLAB TO GET INSIDE THE SETBACKS? IF THE SLAB ENCROACHES IN THE NEW SETBACKS, YOU'D HAVE TO CHIP AWAY THE SLAB.
SO THEN I CAN'T REBUILD IT BACK LIKE IT WAS THEN BECAUSE IT'S NONCONFORMING.
NOT LIKE IT WAS SO I LOST MY PROPERTY.
UH, INSURANCE AIN'T GONNA PAY FOR IT.
WELL THE IN, IF THE, IF THE STORM BLEW AWAY THE HOUSE, THE INSURANCE IS ABSOLUTELY GONNA PAY FOR IT.
IT PAYS FOR THE HOUSE THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY, BUT IT COST ME MORE, 50%.
THEY'RE ONLY GONNA GIMME SO MUCH FOR THE DAMAGE.
AND THEN I GOT A SLAB THAT I CAN'T LIVE, I CAN'T REBUILD A HOUSE ON.
I MEAN, SO INSURANCE COVERAGE PAYS FOR YOUR LOSS.
YOU, WHETHER YOU BUILD SOMETHING SMALL OR BIGGER PAY, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN FLOODED BEFORE.
I'M SORRY, A QUESTION FOR YOU.
THIS IS GETTING TECHNICAL, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE.
SO, UH, YOU SAID SIX MONTHS IF, IF SOMEBODY, UM, SO WHAT IF YOU HAD YOUR HOUSE FOR SALE IN A NON-CONFORMING AREA MM-HMM
AND IT TOOK LONGER THAN SIX MONTHS TO SELL IT AND IT WAS VACANT DURING THE TIME THAT YOU'RE HAVING IT, UH, ON THE MARKET.
SO I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE NON-CONFORMING SECTION, UH, BY REQUEST OF P AND Z AND COUNSEL INCLUDES LANGUAGE THAT THE ABANDONMENT OR THE DISCONTINUING DOES NOT APPLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE OF A NON-CONFORMING DWELLING UNIT.
SO THE USE OF BEING A RESIDENCE, UH, DOES NOT HAVE AN EXPIRATION PERIOD.
SO IF IT'S A RESIDENCE, IT CAN AL IT'LL ALWAYS BE A RESIDENCE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
EVEN IF IT TAKES OVER A YEAR TO SELL IT.
SO THAT'S A, A SECONDARY BASICALLY A LIKE AN ASTRID FOR SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE Y'ALL WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH ALL THIS AGAIN AND LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES, MAKE SOME COMMON SENSE STUFF THAT'LL WORK HERE IN DICKINSON? AND AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, YOU CAN LOOK IT BACK.
I TRIED TO KILL THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE HAD ONE IN 2016 THAT WE HAD JUST DONE AND THEY WERE SPENDING A HUNDRED THOUSANDS MORE.
EDC DID A PLAN, DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
SO WE PROBABLY GOT 400,000 EASY IN THAT PLAN, IF NOT MORE.
IT, IT WAS, IT WAS APPROVED AS FAR AS I KNOW.
BUT, BUT THEN THEY COME UP WITH A PROJECT AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T FIT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I MEAN, TO ME, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS FLAWED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I I, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY WANT THE ROADS FIXED, THEY WANT THE DRAINAGE DONE.
A LOT OF THAT STUFF TO ME IS PIE IN THE SKY.
WE'D ALL LIKE PARKS AND YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT WE NEED TO FIX WHAT WE'VE GOT AND TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS.
I I, I STILL THINK IF WE HAVE ANOTHER FLOOD, NO MATTER WHAT WE'VE DONE, THEY'RE GONNA BE SCREAMING, WHY DIDN'T Y'ALL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE? I'VE PREACHED THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND I TOLD THE GUY DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I SAID, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE FOR ME TALKING TO THE PEOPLE.
NOW, MAYBE SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO A DIFFERENT GROUP.
BUT WE NEED TO USE SOME COMMON SENSE IN THIS STUFF.
AND IF Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME, Y'ALL HAVE STUDIED IT BEFORE.
I'VE LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT.
I'VE HEARD ENOUGH COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, BUT TO ME, WE CAN SIT HERE AND BEAT IT TO DEATH ALL NIGHT SAYING THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH IT, BUT Y'ALL OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE AND LOOK AT IT AND TELL US WHAT TO FIX.
ARE WE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MAP OR THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE NEW UDC.
SO WHAT, WELL, SO IT'S NOT A, A NEW UDC JUST CHANGING PARTS PARTS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEW ZONING OF THE ZONING AREAS.
SO THE BIG THING IS A LOT OF IT DOES WORK.
A LOT OF IT IS, UM, RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? IT'S ALREADY THERE.
THIS IS GONNA NOT GONNA BE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROBLEMS ARE REALLY ALONG YOUR FIVE 17 HIGHWAY THREE CORRIDORS, RIGHT? AND THEN THE KIND OF THE WEIRD SECTIONS BETWEEN THOSE MAIN ARTERIES.
SO LIKE, UH, LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION THAT GOT TURNED COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S, YEAH, SO THE, BUT WHAT I, I GUESS THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS, IS WE HAVE SOME REALLY MASSIVE THINGS THAT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY OF DICKINSON.
WE'RE SPENDING A CRA A TON OF MONEY ON DRAINAGE RIGHT NOW.
HOW WERE SAY THAT? HUH? HOW WERE YOU GONNA SAY THAT AGAIN? YEAH, I'M TRYING
I WAS A MARINE FOR EIGHT YEARS, GUYS, LEAVE ME ALONE, YOU KNOW, BUT UM, BUT ANYWAYS, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF WE DON'T RAISE MORE MONEY, WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO FIX THESE ROADS EVER AGAIN.
AND PART OF, IF YOU TALK TO ANY DEVELOPER, ANY DEVELOPER IN OUR, THAT I HAVE TALKED TO IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THIS
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IS THE MAIN PROBLEM, IS NOT KNOWING THEIR LEFT AND RIGHT LATERAL LIMITS.NOW WHEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE, WE USUALLY FIX IT.
MR. CARE, MR. MAGDALENO, THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF LIKE, HEY, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, COME TALK TO US.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE UDC SO THAT OUR DEVELOPERS DON'T HAVE TO COME ASK US.
THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEIR LEFT AND RIGHT LATERAL LIMITS IS.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHENEVER Y'ALL DO MEET, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ON Y'ALL'S EMAIL SO I CAN SHOW UP.
'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO, UH, DAVE, MR. FUNK QUITE A BIT.
SO I HAVE A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE, UH, LARGER PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE ACTUALLY GONNA START MAKING SOME TRACTION.
UM, AND THAT COULD HELP WITH THAT Y'ALL'S PLAN, RIGHT? SO TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEMS AK IF IT'S SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, LET'S MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL.
YOU KNOW, IN THE MILITARY WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT BEING AS PERMISSIVE AS POSSIBLE AND RESTRICTIVE WHEN NECESSARY.
THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE REASON WHY I GOT EXCITED ABOUT THE UDC ONCE MR. CAREY EXPLAINED IT ALL TO ME WAS THE FACT THAT IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO DO WHATEVER IT SAYS IN THAT BOOK.
ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE'S NO INTERPRETATION.
IT'S WHAT THOSE RULES ARE GOES.
THE PROBLEM IS WE NEED TO MAKE, FIX OUR RULES.
SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO WHENEVER Y'ALL MEET, I WOULD LOVE TO HANG OUT AND HELP OUT.
'CAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW MORE WORK ON YOU GUYS.
UM, BUT I KNOW Y'ALL ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LOT LONGER THAN I HAVE.
SO I, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR THE, THE PLANNING ZONING.
AND YOU GUYS FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME, BUT I I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE PLANNING ZONING WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT, CONSIDERING THE LION'S SHARE OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST PROBABLY SIX MONTHS HAS BEEN EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
CITIZENS THAT ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH CHALLENGES THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD, MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN, I GET IT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SITTING DOWN, GETTING A, A GOOD PLOT PLAN LAID OUT, THAT'S ALL BLACK AND WHITE AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MAGIC MARKERS.
AND WE GO DOWN AND WE LAY IT OUT EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
AND THAT WAY WE SIT THERE, WE DISCUSS IT, WE THERE'S GONNA BE MEMBERS, THERE'S GONNA BE STAFF THAT HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT THE FUTURE NEEDS TO BE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE HISTORY ALSO INCLUDED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS AND I THINK IF WE ALL ARE WILLING TO MAKE A WORKSHOP AT SOME POINT, UH, IT MIGHT BE A FOUR OR FIVE HOUR, GONNA MAKE SURE WE GET, UH, GOOD CATERING SANDWICHES OF COURSE.
BUT, UH,
WE HAVE NO MONEY FOR SANDWICHES, NOT EVEN SUB.
I CAN GET A PRODUCT, I GET A PRODUCT PARTNER TO PAY FOR IT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A WATER FILE OUT THERE IF YOU NEED A DRINK.
Y'ALL PUT IN A LOT OF WORK WHEN IT COMES TO THE UDC WITH, WITH THE ZONING CHANGES AND Y'ALL WERE JUST BLATANTLY DISMISSED, BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND APPROVED.
SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO DO.
THEY WERE TRYING TO BRING IN COMMERCIAL.
THE PROBLEM IS IT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY OUTSIDERS.
HALF KEN KEYS, THE PREVIOUS FOLKS, THEY WERE OUTSIDERS.
THEY WERE TRYING TO FORCE DICKON INTO WHAT THEY WANTED IT TO BE.
AND IT JUST, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE AND IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
AND OBVIOUSLY OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY.
IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER GONE TO COUNCIL TO A VOTE WITHOUT YOU Y'ALL'S BLESSING.
SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT A WRONG NOW.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT Y'ALL WILLING TO TAKE IT ON.
Y'ALL THE ONES THAT STUDIED IT MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE AND YOU VOTED IT DOWN.
I'VE BEEN PUSHING TO SEND IT BACK TO Y'ALL AND LET Y'ALL REDO IT.
THEY SAID IT WAS, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WORK, BUT IF Y'ALL WILLING TO DO THAT, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE I THINK Y'ALL KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PLAN THAN I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO.
'CAUSE Y'ALL STUDIED IT LONGER THAN I HAVE.
AS WHEN Y'ALL WERE, YOU STUDIED IT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU SAID NO.
SO IF I MAY CORRECT YOU COUNCILMAN, WE ACTUALLY DID NOT SAY NO, WE TABLED IT BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE NEEDED MORE INFORMATION, BUT WE WERE TOLD, Y'ALL VOTED, WE WERE TOLD Y'ALL, Y'ALL DENIED, Y'ALL DENIED IT OR WHATEVER.
WHAT HAPPENED IS IF Y'ALL, WE JUST WANTED BETTER ANSWERS SO I COULD GO FORWARD Y'ALL AND TELL Y'ALL STUDIED DID A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN PROBABLY MOST OF US UP HERE AT THE TABLE.
OKAY? AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT I, I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHATEVER Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING Y'ALL ARE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UH, LEVELS OF THIS, RIGHT? SO Y'ALL COME UP WITH ALL THE GOOD IDEAS, WE FILTERED IT THROUGH ANY OF THE WEIRD IDEAS AND THEN IT'S OVER.
RIGHT? SO, UM, YOUR WORK WILL NOT BE DISMISSED, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING SOME TIME FOR THIS WORKSHOP.
AND, UH, I GUESS, UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL IF I CAN ASK THE QUESTION, UH, AND MAYBE I'M AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE, BUT, UH, THE ACTION ITEM OF SETTING UP, UM,
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A WORKSHOP.WHO'S GONNA BE TASKED WITH THAT? AND DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE? I'M NOT HOLDING EVERYBODY'S FEET TO THE FIRE, BUT JUST A TIMELINE OF WHAT WE CAN EXPECT.
I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE YOU GUYS TO DO THE TA THE, THE TASK FORCE, WHATEVER THE, THE WORKSHOP AND THEN FORGET INVITE US, RIGHT? I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE THERE.
UM, I WOULD LOVE, I WOULD RESPECT, BUT I'D LIKE Y'ALL TO RUN IT BECAUSE EXPECT YOU GUYS, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO RUN IT BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, Y'ALL ARE THE ONES THAT WORKED ON THIS ORIGINALLY.
I I'M NOT TRYING TO STEP ON Y'ALL'S TOES.
NEITHER ARE ANY OF THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS I DON'T THINK, RIGHT? SO WE WANT Y'ALL, WE WANT Y'ALL RUNNING THE SHOW.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, UM, LET YOU KNOW BIGGER PICTURE WHAT WE'RE PLANNING.
SO TRAVIS, YOU CAN HELP US WITH OKAY, THANK YOU.
Y'ALL KEEP IT WITH ME AFTER THE MEETING AND, AND WE'LL WORK IT OUT IN SPARE TIME.
TO BE, TO BE FAIR TO YOUR QUESTION, BRUCE, IF WE CAN GET LIKE, AT ANY TIME Y'ALL THINK YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH US JUST TILL TILL MR. CAREY, OR, OR MR. MAGNO, AND, AND THEY CAN GET WITH US AND WE CAN JUST SET UP A TIME LIKE THIS.
MARJORIE, BEFORE THE, BEFORE WE HAVE THE MEETING, GET A MAP, A LARGE MAP, AND THEN A OVERLAY SOMEHOW SO THAT WE CAN SEE.
WE'LL GET THE OLD MAP, THE NEW MAP, YEAH.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL BRING ALL THE MATERIALS TO THE, TO THE MEETINGS AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOU.
SO ON YOUR TIMELINE, AND IF I MAY, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO EVERY ONE OF YOU.
UH, I THINK I'VE BEEN ON PLANNING AND ZONING FOR GOING ON FOUR YEARS AND THIS IS THE FIRST JOINT MEETING WE'VE HAD
AND I WOULD PREFER, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BUSY, WE'RE ALL BUSY, WE'RE ALL CITIZENS FIRST AND FOREMOST.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE HECK OUT OF IT AND UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA GO FORWARD IN THE CITY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST OUR IDEAS.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST YOU GUYS' IDEAS.
WE GOTTA LISTEN TO EVERYBODY AND, AND TRY TO PUT AS MUCH FEEDBACK WE CAN AND JUST MAKE IT THE BEST WE CAN.
WE GOT SOME CHALLENGES AHEAD OF US, BUT I THINK WE AS A TEAM MUTUALLY CAN GET IT DONE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING.