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[00:00:03]

GOOD

[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]

EVENING.

I HAVE, UH, EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE AND, UH, ANYONE WATCHING ONLINE.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DICKINSON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

AND, UH, LET'S GO GET A CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM MAYOR, TRAVIS MELO HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNNY SIMPSON.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SEAN HOLT.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MARK TOWNSEND.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SCHRADER.

HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER BILL SCHICK HERE.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN EVANS HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

AWESOME.

AND, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ALSO DO IS INVITE SOMEONE THAT, UH, I HAVE BEEN CONNECTED WITH FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

I ACTUALLY PLAYED BASEBALL WITH HIS SON, UH, A LONG TIME AGO.

WE PLAYED, UH, SOME COLLEGE BASEBALL TOGETHER AS WELL AS I ACTUALLY PLAYED FOR HIS BROTHER AT LAMAR UNIVERSITY.

AND THEN, UH, LIKE I SAID, HE HAS BEEN A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE DICKINSON BASEBALL LITTLE LEAGUE.

UM, AND SO THE PERSON WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE GIVE THE INVOCATION IS MR. JOHN GILLIGAN, UH, THE PASTOR FOR LIVING FAITH OUTREACH, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1999.

SO IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION.

AND THEN, UH, I WILL GO AHEAD AND LEAD US WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE STATE PLEDGE.

FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR SERVICE, TO OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE IN THIS CITY, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO, AND YOU HAVE OUR PRAYERS ALL THE TIME.

FATHER, WE JUST COME TO YOU TONIGHT AND WE JUST THANK YOU.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD HAND BEING ON OUR LIFE.

WE THANK YOU, LORD GOD, THAT, UH, YOU'RE MAKING PROVISION FOR US IN EVERY WAY.

SO, FATHER GOD, I THANK YOU.

I THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY.

I THANK YOU THAT YOU'RE PROTECTING OUR CITY.

YOU'RE PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN.

YOU'RE PROTECTING OUR SCHOOLS.

I THANK YOU THAT OUR BUSINESSES ARE PROSPERING.

AND FATHER GOD, WE JUST GIVE YOU ALL THE GLORY FOR THAT.

AND WE JUST PRAY, WE PRAY PEACE OVER THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

AND LORD GOD, I JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM.

YOU SAID, IF WE LACK WISDOM, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS ASK.

SO WE ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM, HOW TO GO FORWARD IN THIS CITY.

AND I THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE FAITHFUL SERVANTS, LORD GOD, THAT THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT YOUR HEART TELLS THEM TO DO.

AND WE JUST GIVE YOU THE PRAISE FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S YOUR NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN.

AMEN.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

GO AHEAD AND, UH, FOLLOW ME IN THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, UNITED STATES REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION OF GOD, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE, HONOR GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU.

UH, MR. GILLIAN, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY EVENTS COMING UP THAT

[3. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS]

YOU'D LIKE TO KIND OF THROW SOME INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC? I KNOW HE'S THE, UH, CHURCH THAT HAS ALL THE BASEBALL FIELDS MM-HMM.

SURROUNDING IT.

IF YOU'RE CURIOUS.

SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS IS, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS BIRTHED BECAUSE OF THE SHOOTING THAT PLA TOOK PLACE IN UVALDE.

AND WE DECIDED TO OPEN UP OUR CHURCH TO YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY CAN COME AND HANG OUT, HAVE A GOOD TIME.

AND SO FOR THREE YEARS, ON THE FIRST FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH, WE OPEN IT UP AND WE CALL IT HOPE CONNECTION COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND SO WE'VE OPENED IT UP.

EVERYTHING IS FREE, THE FOOD IS FREE.

YOU HAVE GAMES, VOLLEYBALL, BASKETBALL, POOL TABLES, UH, FOOSBALLS, UH, WE GIVE, WE DO GIVEAWAYS.

AND, UH, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S FREE TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, WE FIRST OPENED IT UP WITH THE HOPES IN BRINGING SOME KIDS THAT MIGHT BE ON THE FRINGE TO COME IN AND BE A, HAVE A SAFE PLACE FOR 'EM.

IT'S TURNED OUT TO BE A FAMILY GATHERING.

SO WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL AGES COMING.

AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT NOW FOR THREE YEARS.

AND I THINK WE'VE HAD ABOUT 6,000 PEOPLE COME THROUGH THAT, THOSE FRIDAY NIGHT MEETINGS.

SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, MAKE IT AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT TO COME BY, JUST TO CHECK IT OUT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE JUST HAD OUR LAST ONE.

SO THE NEXT ONE WON'T BE TILL TILL THE, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS FROM NOW, BUT IT'S THE FIRST FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH, AND IT STARTS AT SIX O'CLOCK.

AND WE'D BE HONORED IF YOU'D STOP BY JUST TO CHECK IT OUT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, SO, WE'LL THAT'LL LEAD US INTO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START FROM, UH, MY LEFT.

WE'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDS.

AND, UH, GO AHEAD WITH COUNCIL COMMENTS.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY.

UH, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING AND THOSE ONLINE.

I GOT TO MY SEAT THIS AFTERNOON.

I HAD OUR, UH, DICKINSON NAME TAGS SO WE CAN LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE AS A GROUP.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU CAITLYN, AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN.

UH, YESTERDAY WE HAD OUR FIRST CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING.

UH, THE APPLICATION IS STILL AVAILABLE ONLINE, JUST IN CASE THERE IS A POTENTIAL RESIGNATION SOMEWHERE.

IF YOU'RE HALFWAY INTERESTED IN, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THAT COMMISSION, YOU MIGHT BE A GOOD ALTERNATE.

AND I THINK, UH, THAT WOULD BE IT, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

AND

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CAN, CAN INDIVIDUALS HELP OR IS IT ONLY THE COMMISSION THAT CAN PROVIDE IN INPUT? IT IS, AND THAT'S, YEAH, IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

PERFECT.

SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE CHARTER THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE CONSIDERED, UH, PLEASE SHOW UP AND LET US KNOW.

THANK YOU.

PERFECT.

THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK.

THANKS EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT.

REALLY GOOD TO SEE A, A FULL ROOM AGAIN.

UH, CAITLIN IS GOING TO GET WITH Y'ALL BECAUSE I WANT HER TO PROMOTE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING ON THE FIRST FRIDAY.

I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.

OH, SHE'S BACK THERE IN THE ROOM AND SHE'LL PUT IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY PUT IT ON ONE OF OUR LIGHTED MESSAGE BOARDS TO GET THE WORD OUT.

SO WE'LL DO THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I ATTENDED THE BAY DRAINAGE MEETING, WHICH IS, UH, STARTING TO BECOME A PRETTY POWERFUL GROUP HERE IN GALVESTON COUNTY.

UH, WE WENT OVER SOME VARIOUS, UH, DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

WE HAVE ALL OF OUR LOCAL, UH, CONGRESS PEOPLE SHOW UP THERE.

SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS THERE.

UH, LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, I WENT WITH, UH, UH, KEVIN EDMONDS AND, UH, AND EDWARD, OUR PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER TO LOOK AT A, UH, A MOWER THAT DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE HAD WAS, UH, PREVIEWING.

JUST KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF SOMETHING THAT WE MAY USE IN OUR PARKS SOMEDAY.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

WELCOME EVERYONE HERE.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE A FEW FAMILIAR FACES I HADN'T SEEN IN A WHILE OUT THERE, MR. DECKER, AND RIGHT HERE ON THE FRONT ROW.

GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL, AND WELCOME TO THOSE ONLINE AND, UH, READY TO WORK.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WELCOME EVERYBODY'S HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.

WELL WELCOME EVERYBODY.

UH, LIGHTHEARTED.

ACTUALLY, I JUST WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO DICKINSON HIGH SCHOOL, UH, FOOTBALL TEAM.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW, BUT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH DICKINSON ATHLETICS FOR A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS NOW, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL TEAM IS OFF TO A VERY GREAT START.

THEY'RE TWO AND OH ONE AGAINST KATIE IS THEIR OPENER, WHICH IS A VERY TOUGH WIN.

AND THEN LAST WEEK AGAINST CE KING, WHICH BRINGING THEM TO A VERY GOOD RATING IN THIS EARLY PART OF THE SEASON.

SO IF YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT IT, COME OUT AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL DICKINSON HIGH SCHOOL TEAM.

OH, WELCOME EVERYBODY, BOTH IN PERSON ON A AND ONLINE.

UH, GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL HERE.

AWESOME.

AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SECOND THAT, UM, ON THE DICKINSON FOOTBALL TEAM.

SO I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF MY SON IS PART OF THE BAND, SO I'M AT EVERY FOOTBALL GAME.

UM, UM, COACH NELSON HAS A, UH, TREMENDOUS GROUP OF BOYS OR MEN, UH, OUT THERE.

UM, LAST WEEK'S BATTLE THAT THEY HAD, THEY CAME FROM A, UH, I THINK IT WAS A 20 POINT DEFICIT TO ACTUALLY WIN AT THE LAST SECOND.

UM, IT SHOWS WHAT HE'S BUILDING THERE, RIGHT? SO I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU, IF YOU WANNA GO SEE SOMETHING SPECIAL, GO WATCH THEM PLAY.

UM, I WAS MESMERIZED WHEN THEY PLAYED AGAINST KATIE, SO I JUST WANT TO SECOND THAT.

UM, ONE OF MY THINGS AS WELL IS, UH, I WENT TO THE BEHE OF MAYORS, OUR COUNCIL OF MAYORS, UM, GOT TO TALK TO, WITH, UH, DR.

BONIN AND, UM, REPRESENTATIVE PAUL.

SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF COMING OUT OF THE, UM, SPECIAL SESSION THAT HAPPENED UP AT IN AUSTIN.

UM, ANOTHER THING, I HAVE SOME UPDATES WITH TXDOT.

I AM MEETING WITH, UH, MR. CAREY.

MR. MAGNO AND MYSELF ARE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE A MEETING WITH TXDOT AT MY OFFICE, WHICH IF ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE MY OFFICE IS, IT'S SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE ALL THOSE MEDIANS ARE.

SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO NAVIGATE THE MEDIANS TO GET TO MY OFFICE.

UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A GOOD CONVERSATION.

BUT, UH, MR. LAZARO AT TXDOT IS WILLING TO BRING HIS WHOLE CREW DOWN, UH, AND TALK TO US AS WELL.

SO THEY ARE SHOWING THAT THEY AT LEAST WANT TO HAVE A, HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION.

SO I JUST WANNA THANK THEM FOR THAT AS WELL.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK, UH, WE CAN GO INTO, UH, CITY MANAGER UPDATE.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITIZENS OF OUR GREAT COMMUNITY.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE UPDATES FOR US THIS EVENING.

UH, THE HUGHES ROAD DRAINAGE PROJECT, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND TRAFFIC THAT EVERYBODY LOVES.

UH, IT'S AROUND 35% COMPLETED.

RAY TECH CONSTRUCTION IS CONTINUING TO WORK DOWN HUGHES ROAD, NICHOLS, LOST LANE, INSTALLING REINFORCED CONCRETE BOXES.

THEY ARE ALSO INSTALLING A JUNCTION BOX FOR THE SANITARY SEWER AT FIVE 17 IN NICHOLS.

THIS SECTION OF THE WALL IS PLANNED TO BE POURED THURSDAY.

WATERLINE OFFSETS ON BAYOU ROAD IN DIXON DRIVE.

CONTINUE, UH, CONSTRUCTION.

JUST A REMINDER, CONSTRUCTION WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT 2026.

TRAFFIC WILL CONTINUE.

I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING.

UH, PLEASE BE PATIENT AND KIND WITH EVERYBODY ON THE ROADS.

UH, NOBODY

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LIKES TRAFFIC.

WE ALL HATE IT, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AS I SAY, TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION MEANS PROGRESS.

CYBERSECURITY THREATS.

I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT THE ROTARY PRESENTATION.

I GAVE A PRESENTATION TO ROTARY LAST WEDNESDAY, AND I SPOKE ABOUT CYBER CYBERSECURITY THREATS.

AND THIS IS REAL.

THIS IS HAPPENING NOW.

PEOPLE ARE IMPERSONATING, IMPERSONATING ALL OF US AND SENDING OUT EMAILS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

FAKE EMAIL ACCOUNTS ARE CIRCULATING, IMPERSONATING MAYOR COUNCIL, MYSELF, MANY OTHERS.

AND IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS, IT'S HAPPENING TO OUR NEIGHBORS JUST SOUTH OF US.

SO THIS IS NOT NEW.

THIS IS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.

IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY ASKING FOR MONEY OR REQUESTING YOU TO DO ANYTHING, PLEASE CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY.

WE WILL NEVER ASK FOR PAYMENT OVER THE PHONE OR EMAIL.

PLEASE BE VI VIGILANT AND, AND CONTACT US IF THIS OCCURS.

ALSO, SOMETHING THAT WE ARE VERY PROUD OF.

UH, CAPTAIN MIKE MONTGOMERY BECAME THE FIRST DICKINSON POLICE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE TO GRADUATE FROM THE FBI ACADEMY LAST WEEK.

SO THIS IS A 10 WEEK PROGRAM AT THE FBI ACADEMY.

UH, HE, HE GRADUATED.

IT WAS ONLINE, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST THURSDAY OR WEDNESDAY.

CHIEF, UH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF HIM, HOW HE REPRESENTED OUR CITY, REPRESENTED OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND, UH, THANK YOU CAPTAIN MONTGOMERY FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR US.

HE WILL BE RECOGNIZED AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

HE COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT, UH, THERE IS NO DEPARTMENTAL UPDATE AS WELL.

OKAY.

I KNOW WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA, BUT CAPTAIN MONTGOMERY WILL BE HERE AT THE NEXT CA COUNCIL MEETING, SO, ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER FOUR,

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.

COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE.

AND I HAVE, UH, MR. GARLAND COPELAND, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

UM, IT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING TO HEAR WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE MEETING IN YOUR OFFICE AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN, UM, I HAVE ONE ON SPEC SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH IS FOUR, WHICH IS THIS.

SO, UH, MR. LEWIS DECKER, GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT ON COUNCIL, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN USED ROAD, YOU MIGHT GO IN THE EVENING.

IT IS A MESS.

THERE'S DUMP TRUCKS LOADED WITH CONCRETE ROCK AND THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT WHERE WE'RE DRIVING, THERE'S TWO LANES WE'RE RIDING ON THE, UH, THE APRON.

SO IT'S ALL TORN UP.

AND THAT FIRST MEETING I WENT TO, THEY WERE ONLY GONNA DO ONE SIDE.

I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE WITH THE DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEEN ON THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.

UM, THE OTHER THING, UH, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW USED ROAD IS A DAM.

THERE'S NO WAY WATER CAN GO UNDERNEATH AND GET TO THE BOW.

NEVER HAS SINCE THE COUNTY BUILT IT, UH, THAT WE GET THAT RAIN AND WE STILL HAVE HOUSES ON TANGLE BRIAR.

MY ADDRESS IS 55 20 TBR.

MM-HMM .

SECOND HOUSE, UH, HAD BEEN THERE QUITE ENOUGH TIME, BUT THE HOUSES AT THE END OF THAT STREET STILL FLOOD, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE.

AND THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM.

AND I'VE MENTIONED IT TO, UM, CHASE.

UH, THEY DID NOT DO, UH, DICKINSON GOT MONEY FOR OLEANDER, THAT'S THE NEXT STREET OVER THE WATER WOULD COME UP OVER, USED ROAD, GO DOWN AND FLOOD THOSE PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE TO TRY TO GET THROUGH TO THE BOW.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS.

IT WAS DESIGNED AND THE CITY GOT MONEY FROM FEMA WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.

THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AGO.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A PROBLEM.

AND IF OLEANDER WAS COMPLETED, AND I'M GLAD TO, GLAD TO SEE Y'ALL GOT YOUR BOND RATING BACK, IF THAT WAS COMPLETED, YOU WOULD SOLVE

[00:15:02]

THE WATER FLOW THAT'S GOING, TRYING TO GET TO THE BOW.

AND THOSE HOUSES DOWN THERE COULD HAVE VERTS LIKE WE HAVE IN DICKINSON, FURTHER DOWN ON, ON, UH, USED ROAD, UH, TO HELP THE WATER BECAUSE WHAT'S WHAT'S THERE NOW HAS NEVER WORKED.

UM, OLEANDER IS A DAM ALSO.

IT'S GOT TO TRY TO GET OUT AND THROUGH AND ON USED ROAD.

I'M HOPING THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THAT WIDER BY CIMARRON PARK.

THAT'S NOT, UH, THAT LARGE.

UH, THE WATER COMES FROM BOTH SCHOOLS TWO S ROAD AND THEN COMES DOWN OVER THE YARDS ON TGO BRIAR.

UH, BUT AS LONG AS Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY, YOU COULDN'T DO IT.

UH, AND IT WASN'T DONE PRIOR TO Y'ALL.

IT'S NOT NOW.

IT'S BEEN THAT WAY.

UM, I HAVE ONE THING, THREE MINUTES PEOPLE IN THE TOWN CALL ME ABOUT THAT ROAD.

THEY DON'T KNOW.

AND ABOUT 10 OR 11 YEARS AGO, I TRIED THROUGH THIS COUNCIL WHEN I WAS ON IT TO GET, UH, Y'ALL CAN TALK TO THE WATER DISTRICT AND THEY COULD PUT STUFF, SOMETHING IN THOSE ENVELOPES, MAYBE QUARTERLY, MAYBE EVERY TWO WEEKS AND LET THE CITIZENS KNOW EVERYBODY WOULD GET IT.

'CAUSE EVERYBODY GETS A BILL.

YEP.

THANK Y'ALL FOR THE TIME.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT.

FIVE CONSENT AGENDA.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.

THERE WILL BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS, UH, IN WHICH, UH, IN IN WHICH EVENT.

THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALL RIGHT.

SIX A

[6.A ORDINANCE XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Dickinson, Texas, approving and adopting a budget for the City of Dickinson, Texas, for Fiscal Year 2025-2026; making appropriations for the City for such Fiscal Year as reflected in said budget; providing for the incorporation of preamble; making certain findings and containing certain provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. (1st Reading) ]

SIX IS OLD BUSINESS SIX.

A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE, UH, IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS, APPROVING AND ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025.

2026, MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR THIS CITY FOR SUCH FISCAL YEAR AS REFLECTED IN SAID BUDGET, PROVIDING FOR THE INCORPORATION OF PREAMBLE, MAKING CERTAIN FINDINGS AND CONTAINING CERTAIN PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SUBJECT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

FIRST READING, IF I MAY, I'VE GOT A LEGAL OPINION TODAY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON VOTING ON THIS.

OKAY? I STILL DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT DUE TO MY POSITION WITH THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO WHILE Y'ALL VOTE ON THE BUDGET, I'M GONNA STEP DOWN.

OKAY.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THEY FILLED OUT FORMS LAST WEEK.

OKAY.

THAT'S 1, 2, 3, 4.

SO WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE ABSTAINING, BUT WE STILL HAVE, SO MAJORITY IS STILL JUST OF A FIVE, RIGHT? YES SIR.

SO WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'RE GOOD.

MOVE TO APPROVE A SECOND.

ALRIGHT, SO I GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE AND I GOT A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSIONS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BUDGET.

UH, ANY LAST REMAINING, UH, ROUNDS IN THE CHAMBER THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT? I WANT TO, I WANNA THANK CHASE AND HIS STAFF HAVE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB.

THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND, UH, INVOLVEMENT WITH THE BUDGET.

THIS IS HEAD AND HEELS ABOVE HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TO US LAST TIME.

WE THANK Y'ALL FOR THIS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

YEP.

NO OTHER MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I, I HAVE A FEW WORDS.

WELL, YEAH.

AND SO I WANT TO JUST SECOND HIM AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING I'VE ASKED FOR.

'CAUSE I'VE ASKED Y'ALL TO DO THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ASKED TO DO, LIKE SOME OF THE REPORTS I LOOK FOR.

UM, SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL BECAUSE, UM, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK SAID, THERE IS NO WAY WE GET THROUGH THIS WITHOUT YOUR STAFF CUTTING.

SO I WAS LOOKING FOR THE ACTUAL NUMBER FROM LAST YEAR COMPARED TO THIS YEAR OF KIND OF WHAT WE CUT OFF MINUS THE COLA.

IT'S NOT IN THIS BUDGET ANYMORE, BUT IT WAS IN THE OTHER ONES.

UM, I DON'T THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE LEVEL OF CUTS THAT WERE MADE TO THIS CITY.

UH, DOLLAR VALUE.

IT'S NOT APPRECIATED BECAUSE WE PUT A 6% COLA MM-HMM .

BUT Y'ALL ARE DOING,

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Y'ALL HAD 14 AND A HALF EMPLOYEES DOING THE SAME JOB LAST YEAR, AND NOW YOU HAVE NINE MM-HMM .

RIGHT? AND THAT'S JUST YOUR DEPARTMENT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, I JUST WANNA THANK THE STAFF NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS.

Y'ALL HAVE BEEN, UH, PERFORMING SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN I EXPECTED.

UH, AND I PROBABLY DESERVE.

SO THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU.

NOW GO AHEAD.

IT'S ALL YOURS.

YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE BUDGET? YES, SIR.

NO, I, UH, I APPRECIATE THE KIND WORDS.

YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A PRODUCT OF HARD WORK COLLABORATION AND A DEDICATION TO BEING AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS.

YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE.

MANY ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

I BELIEVE WE TOOK SIGNIFICANT STEPS FORWARD IN CORRECTING THESE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN LINGERING FOR YEARS.

YOU KNOW, LET ME BE CLEAR, THIS BUDGET WAS NOT EASY.

WE FACED TOUGH DECISIONS, LOCAL MATCH REQUIREMENTS, DEPARTMENTAL RESTRUCTURING, AND A NEED TO BE REALISTIC WITH OUR REQUEST.

AND WE DID THAT.

MY GOAL THROUGHOUT HAS BEEN CLEAR TO ELIMINATE WASTEFUL SPENDING, RESTRUCTURED DEPARTMENTS FOR EFFICIENCY AND LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR MEANINGFUL CHANGE.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE THAT.

YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS CREDIT GOES TO MRS. CLARK, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR.

SHE'S DONE A HELL OF A JOB AND I'M VERY PROUD OF HER.

MR. MAGGIANO, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, WE DID, WE DID THE BEST WE COULD WITH THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE.

AND I OFTEN REMIND MY TEAM, THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO YOUR BEST WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

YOU KNOW, THIS BUDGET HAS BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.

THERE IS NO DOUBT IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING, EXHAUSTING, EYE-OPENING, BUT DEEPLY REWARDING AS WELL.

THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITY IS MY TOP PRIORITY, MRS. CLARK, MR. MAGNO, I THINK ALL OF US CITY COUNCIL, OUR CITIZENS, IT'S OUR TOP PRIORITY.

OUR FOCUS, WITHOUT CAREFUL STEWARDSHIP OF OUR RESOURCES, NONE OF THE PROGRESS THAT WE ENVISION WILL BE POSSIBLE.

THAT'S WHY THIS ADMINISTRATION IS COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY, DUE DILIGENCE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE QUARTERLY, UH, BUDGET MEETINGS WITH OUR STAFF TO REVIEW THE BUDGET, REVIEW OUR SALES TAXES, REVIEW OUR EXPENDITURES, AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

AND WE ARE ALREADY DOING THIS.

SO WE WILL NEVER BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROCESS.

THIS BUDGET WAS DEVELOPED AS A TEAM, AS PARTNERS, AS CITY STAFF, CITY COUNCIL, D-M-D-E-D-C, DICKINSON POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, AND INPUT FROM OUR CITIZENS.

THIS WAS TRULY A UNITED EFFORT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ONE THAT I'M PROUD OF.

SO THANK YOU.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S ALL OF ALL THE HARD WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

UM, ALL RIGHT, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, DO I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUDGET? ANYTHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE? LAST MINUTE CHANGES? ARE WE, WE GOOD FOR A VOTE? ALRIGHT.

YEP.

MAYOR, NO.

NO.

LAST MINUTE CHANGES.

YES SIR.

I DO WANT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT WAS SAID.

NOT ONLY WAS THIS DONE, BUT IT HAD TO BE DONE THREE TIMES.

UM, BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT THE A SA AGREEMENT BETWEEN EDC AND DMD AND UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF KUDOS, BUT I'M ALSO, EVEN THOUGH I'M OFF THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NOW, UM, THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE VARIOUS BOARDS, IT IS DEFINITELY AT A ALL TIME HIGH AND YEAH.

YEAH.

SO, AND THAT'S WITH THE BUDGET WHERE IT'S AT.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN ALSO THE CONVERSATIONS WITH, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, AMY SKI AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AT DMD.

SO THE FUTURE OF GETTING THE FUND BALANCE AND THE OTHER STUFF WE NEED DONE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THEM AT THE HELM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

YES, SIR.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE.

ALL IN FAVOR ACTUALLY, MAYOR? YES SIR.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

UH, THIS WOULD NEED TO BE A ROLL CALL VOTE ALL ALMOST THERE GUYS.

A ROLL CALL, ROLL CALL VOTE ROLL CALL.

VOTE.

OKAY.

SO, ALL IN FAVOR? ROLL CALL, VOTE.

GO AHEAD AND SEND IT.

TRAVIS MAG.

AYE.

JOHNNY SIMPSON.

AYE.

MARK TOWNSEND.

BILL SCHICK.

AYE.

SEAN HOLT.

AYE.

SCOTT SCHRADER.

AYE.

KEVIN EDMONDS.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION PASS.

UM, SEVEN A,

[7.A RESOLUTION XXX-2025 - consideration and possible action to approve a Resolution of The City Council of Dickinson, Texas, designating authorized signatories for contractual documents and documents for requesting funds pertaining to the Community Development Block Grant Program (CDBG) MIT-MOD Program. (Administration) ]

WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY COME BACK IN.

SEVEN.

A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR OF DICKINSON, TEXAS.

MAYOR.

MAYOR.

YES SIR.

I'M SORRY.

UH, SO THIS ITEM, UH, STAFF'S GONNA PULL, ACTUALLY WE DON'T NEED THIS ITEM, I THINK, UH, A OR B OR JUST A, UH, JUST A SEVEN A.

JUST A.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

SO SEVEN B THEN? YES SIR.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE CALL

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SEVEN A, SEVEN

[7.B RESOLUTION XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a Resolution of the City Council of Dickinson, Texas, adopting certain policies and procedures required for eligibility and participation in the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG-MIT) Program. (Administration)]

B CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF DICKINSON, TEXAS, ADOPTING CERTAIN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES REQUIRED FOR ELIGIBILITY AND PARTICIPATION IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS FOR THE MOORES EDITION DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

OKAY.

BASICALLY WE ARE UPDATING THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRES, UH, TITLE ONE HOUSING, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ACT, AGE DISCRIMINATION ACT OF 75, UH, SECTION 5 0 4, REHABILITATION ACT OF 73.

THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE UP TO PAR FOR THE FEDERAL DOLLARS.

ALRIGHT, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOTION.

I GOT A MOTION.

DO I GOT A SECOND? I GOT A SECOND.

UH, ANY DISCUSSION THERE? YES, SIR.

I NOTICED ON, UM, ON THESE DOCUMENTS, UH, THE ADDRESS FOR CITY HALL IS NOT OUR ADDRESS.

IT'S, UM, AND THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS, THE ZIP CODE, I THINK THE ADDRESS IS THAT YOU GUYS, UM, OR THAT THEY SHOW IN HERE IS 1 1 4 NORTH BROADWAY, UH, WITH THE ZIP CODE OF 7 5 8 4 6.

YEP.

UM, WHICH IS DUET TEXAS.

SO WE RECEIVED THOSE DOCUMENTS FROM THE GLO, SO THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A CUT AND PASTE SORT OF ISSUE.

SO, UH, IF WE CAN SIMPLY HAVE A MOTION TO, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION, THE APPROVAL TO CORRECT THOSE DOCUMENTS AND CORRECT THE ADDRESS.

I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, POINTING THAT OUT.

YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT, SO WE GOT YES, SIR.

YOU SAID YOU GOT YEAH, I, I'M IN MY MOTION WITH THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS.

I'LL SECOND.

OH YEAH, THAT'S BROADWAY NOW.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALRIGHT, SEVEN C

[7.C RESOLUTION XXX-2025 – Consideration and possible action a Resolution of the City Council of the City of Dickinson, Texas, approving the terms and conditions of an Interlocal Collection Agreement among Galveston County, Galveston County Tax Assessor Collector Cheryl E. Johnson, and the City of Dickinson, Texas, for the Collection of Real Property Assessments for Public Improvement Districts Nos. 1 And 2 Located Within The City Of Dickinson; Providing for The Incorporation of Preamble; Authorizing Execution of The Interlocal Agreement by the City Manager; And Providing an Effective Date. (Administration)]

RESOLUTION, UH, SORRY.

CONSIDERATION.

POSSIBLE ACTION.

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS APPROVING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF AN INTERLOCAL COLLECTION AGREEMENT AMONG GALVESTON COUNTY, GALVESTON COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR CHERYL E. JOHNSON, AND THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS FOR THE COLLECTION OF REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBERS ONE AND TWO, LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF DICKINSON, PROVIDING FOR THE INCORPORATION OF PREAMBLE AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BY THE CITY MANAGER AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ALL RIGHT, WHAT DO WE GOT HERE? MOVE TO APPROVE.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

YOU GOT A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

WHO, SHANE? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SECOND TO MAYOR.

WE HAVE A COUNCILMAN ROSS FROM FRIENDSWOOD HERE AS WELL.

HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM IF YOU, ALL RIGHT.

LET'S HEAR IT.

HOW'S IT GOING? I'M DOING WELL, MAYOR.

COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I'D LIKE TO ESPECIALLY, UH, THANK CITY MANAGER, CARRIE, AND, UH, DIRECTOR CLARK FOR GETTING THIS ON THE AGENDA IN SUCH SHORT NOTICE BECAUSE, UH, WITHOUT GETTING THIS DONE, WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING THIS.

UH, UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE USING ASSESSMENT.

UH, THE CITY'S USING ASSESSMENTS OF THE SOUTHWEST TO COLLECT THE PAID RECEIVABLES, UH, FOR THESE TWO DISTRICTS.

I, I THINK WE'VE HAD QUITE A STRUGGLES.

I'VE DONE AN AUDIT OF THEIR PRACTICES TWO YEARS AGO AND WE'RE STILL RIFLING THROUGH THAT AND WORKING WITH DIRECTOR CLARK TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT.

SO, UH, I THINK MOVING THIS OVER TO CHERYL JOHNSON'S OFFICE IS THE BEST PLAN FORWARD AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL CONSIDERING IT.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU SIR.

ALRIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSIONS? HEY, I GOT A QUESTION.

I SEE THIS IS FOR THE PIS ONE AND TWO, BUT, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE CITY TAXES AND ALL THE OTHER ONES? ARE WE GONNA DO THAT ONE LATER? YEAH, THIS IS JUST FOR THOSE TWO PIDS THAT ARE LISTED RIGHT HERE.

UH, MRS. CLARK, WHENEVER MR. DO THE OTHER PIS, GALVESTON COUNTY ALREADY DOES THE COLLECTION FOR PIT THREE, RIGHT? THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY PIT THAT'S STILL WITH ASSESSMENTS OF THE SOUTHWEST IS FOUR, WHICH IS BY YOU MASON.

NO, BY YOU, BY YOU BEND.

BY YOU BEND.

UM, SO IS THIS ONE THE NEW ONE? THEY'VE NEVER COLLECTED FOR THESE TWO PITS BEFORE? PI FOUR IS THE NEW ONE THAT THEY'VE NEVER COLLECTED.

SO WE WILL, IT BEING A SMALLER PIT, WE MAY HAVE MORE LUCK WITH THEM.

UM, BUT WE, WE CAN LOOK AT DEFINITELY SWITCHING OVER TO GALVESTON COUNTY FOR PI FOUR AS WELL.

SO I THOUGHT WE HAD TO DO, I THOUGHT WE DID A YEARLY CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY TO COLLECT OUR TAXES AND TO COLLECT ALL THE CITY TAXES.

WE DON'T HAVE DO THAT.

THE CITY TAXES? YES, SIR.

NOT, NOT THE CITY TAXES, NOT THE, NOT THE PI.

SO THIS IS JUST ADDING THE P**S TO OUR CORRECT AUTHORITY.

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OKAY.

I JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD RE-UPDATE ALL OF THEM AT ONE TIME.

NO.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO DO THIS WHEN WE UPDATED THE CITY OR ELSE WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

SEVEN D

[7.D Consideration and possible action to approve the DEDC Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Budget. (DEDC)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE DEDC FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO 2026 BUDGET.

UM, DO WE WANT, ARE, DID THEY HAVE ANY OF THEIR STAFF? IS DAVE HERE FOR THIS OR IS HE STILL NO, SIR.

DAVE IS STILL, UH, OUT OF POCKET.

YES, SIR.

YEAH, HE IS.

I'LL MOVE TO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I GOT A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

I GOT A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

WHAT DO WE GOT? SO IF WE WANT TO BRING UP, UH, MS. SARAH CLARK AGAIN, IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WANTED TO GO OVER? YEAH, I GUESS THE, UH, 1.4 MILLION FOR, UH, LAND ACQUISITION, REAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION.

I'M NOT SURE WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT ONE.

WHAT'S SO I CAN TALK ABOUT IT? 'CAUSE I ASKED ABOUT IT.

UM, SO THE ONE POINT, WHAT IS IT, 1.4, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE BUDGET, 1.4 MILLION.

UM, BECAUSE I ALSO ASKED THE SAME QUESTION WHEN I SAW A VERY LARGE LINE ITEM AND I'M LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING ON.

THE IDEA OF WHAT THE EDC DIRECTOR, UH, AS WELL AS THEIR BOARD, WHAT THEY TOLD US, UM, OR WHAT THEY TOLD ME WAS IT'S THERE IN CASE THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS WITH THE PLANS FOR THE BAYOU V, IS IT BAYOU VILLAGE? YES.

PROJECT.

RIGHT? THAT'S THE BAYOU VILLAGE.

UM, HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE ACTIVELY NECESSARILY GOING TO DO UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS PROVIDED WITH IT.

SO THERE HAS TO BE A TRUE ECONOMIC BENEFIT.

THE BUDGET IS THERE.

UM, BUT WHAT I TOLD DAVE IS I'M NOT BUYING PROPERTY JUST TO HOLD IT ANYMORE TO, TO BE CLEAR.

YEAH.

IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, THEY STILL HAVE TO SEEK APPROVAL FROM THE COUNCIL.

WE STILL HAVE.

AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THING IS, IS, AND THAT'S WHAT I KNOW DAVE WANTED TO PUSH ACROSS, IS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT.

OKAY? CORRECT.

SO THIS IS A BUDGET LINE ITEM SO THAT THERE IT IS.

SO THE LINE ITEM IS BASED OFF OF THE STONE PROPERTY, RIGHT.

WHICH IS BECAUSE IT IS ON THE MARKET.

NOW, IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, WHAT THEIR IDEA WAS, IS TO HAVE THAT LINE ITEM SO WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION IN THE, THE LONG RUN BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE ECONOMICALLY BENEFICIAL.

CORRECT.

UM, HOWEVER WE STILL GET TO APPROVE WHETHER THAT HAPPENS OR NOT.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

YEAH.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IF THEY PUT $1.4 MILLION IN THAT BUDGET FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY MM-HMM .

YOU APPROVED THAT BUDGET TONIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO TELL Y'ALL, WELL, Y'ALL APPROVED IT WHEN YOU APPROVED OUR BUDGET AND THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK TO YOU.

THEY CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE, BUT IN MY HEART, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

SO, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I ASKED THE EXACT QUESTION OF WHY IS THE LINE ITEM THERE? WELL, WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET IF IT'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT, IT'S NOT A TRUE BUDGET.

IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY AND WE'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR IT, THEN WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO IT.

OR IF THERE'S ANY FUTURE PROJECT THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO, UH, YEAH.

AND PROCEED WITH.

SO, AND I MEAN I'M I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET.

LAST YEAR THEY WERE BUDGETED 1.5 MILLION BUT ONLY SPENT 88,000.

SO I THINK IT'S MORE OF A GUARD RAIL THING THAN A, UM, COME OUT AND SPEND EVERYTHING.

IT MAY BE A GUARDRAIL, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU APPROVE THIS BUDGET, YOU'VE TOLD THEM THEY CAN SPEND $1.4 MILLION.

THEY DON THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ANYMORE.

I, BUT THEY HAVE TO.

SO THINK TRAVIS IS INCORRECT.

THEY, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US, SIR.

BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO COME LIKE, JUST LIKE THIS THING THAT TONIGHT WHAT THE NEXT ITEM FOR THE NEXT ITEM IS ONE OF THEIR THINGS THEY APPROVED THAT'S IN THEIR LINE ITEM BUDGET.

BUT WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE AGAIN.

SO MR. DOME, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN? I, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I MEAN, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, LIKE IF THEY CAN JUST SPEND IT, THEN YEAH, I'M AGAINST THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

BUT IF WE'RE STILL GETTING TO APPROVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO DO, THEN IT'S JUST THE BUDGET LINE ITEM.

'CAUSE I'M, I CAN, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT THEY DO NOT ENJOY THAT WE GO OUT AND BUY STUFF WITHOUT A PLAN TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXECUTION.

BUT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS REAL EXECUTION ABILITY, THEN WE WANNA HAVE THAT LINE ITEM.

SO THAT'S THE WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME.

SO BEFORE THE EDC CAN'T, UM, EMBARK ON ANY PROJECTS, IT HAS TO SEEK CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF THAT MONEY.

OKAY.

I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS SEEN THAT WITH

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LIKE PICNIC GROUNDS AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THOSE ITEMS GOING BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR ITS APPROVAL.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM IS NOT EARMARKED TO ANY PARTICULAR MM-HMM .

PROPERTY ACQUISITION.

IT IS JUST A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, IN CASE LIKE MR. KERRY SAID, PROJECTS COME UP AND OPPORTUNITIES COME UP.

UH, THEY WOULD HAVE THAT LINE ITEM TO, TO DRAW FROM AFTER THEY GET THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.

YEP.

OKAY.

IS THIS THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WERE GONNA USE IMMINENT DOMAIN ON A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO? YES.

WELL, THE, ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE LINE ITEM ON THE BUDGET IS NOT TIED TO ANY PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

UH, BUT IF YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT THE STONE PROPERTY IN IN PARTICULAR, UH, YES.

THAT IS THE PROPERTY THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, USING EMINENT DOMAIN.

MAYOR.

YES, SIR.

SO MR. DO YOU SAID THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR PROJECTS AND THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT IS, WOULD LAND ACQUISITION BLANKET OPEN BE QUALIFIED AS A PROJECT? AND WOULD THEY STILL BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE OR PURCHASE LAND WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL? IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET TRYING TO BE DIRECTIVE AS I POSSIBLY CAN, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO GET APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL.

UH, EDCS DON'T JUST BUY LAND.

THEY BUY LAND AS PART OF A PROJECT.

THEY SHOULD NOT JUST BUY LAND.

THEY SHOULD BUY LAND AS PART OF A PROJECT.

YES.

OKAY.

I KNOW WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, BUT THIS IS A PROJECT, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN A DISCUSSED PROJECT THAT THEY HAVE GONE AS FAR AS TO TRY TO GET PERMISSION TO IMMINENT DOMAIN THAT PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE CAN PLAY WORDS ALL NIGHT LONG.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THIS PROJECT IS AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS BUDGET AND YOU PUT THAT 1, 4, 4 1 0.4 MILLION IN THERE AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT PROJECT, WE ALL KNOW WE JUST APPROVED IT.

AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THE PREVIOUS FOLKS IN THE CITY WENT TO IMMINENT DOMAIN.

I UNDERSTAND.

DID NOT.

SO THE OTHER THING AS WELL IS THAT 1.4 IS NOT EVEN THE COST OF THE LAND THAT THEY'RE SELLING IT FOR CURRENTLY.

SO THAT 1.4 IS A LINE ITEM THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ENTERTAINING TO LOOK AT.

BUT THE PRICE OF THAT LAND RIGHT NOW, WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS ASKING FOR IS LIKE 1.9.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING.

EXACTLY.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT LINE ITEM IS NOT DIRECTLY CORRELATED WITH THAT PROJECT.

THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY THEY MIGHT USE THAT LINE ITEM.

SO I DON'T WANNA MAKE PEOPLE THINK THAT WE HAVE IT.

THERE'S SOME AGENDA THAT THIS IS FOR THAT SPECIFIC.

THERE'S A NEW COUNCIL IN TOWN.

YEAH.

HUH? I SAID THERE'S A NEW COUNCIL IN TOWN.

YEAH, I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE A LONG, LONG TIME.

.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

SO YOU GO I HAVE A, I'M SORRY.

I HAVE, I'VE BEEN AROUND THEM.

SO Y'ALL GO FOR IT.

BELIEVE 'EM.

UH, MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR, UH, LINE ITEM FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS.

SO YOU HAVE ONE PENNY IN THERE.

IS THAT PURPOSEFUL? I COULDN'T PUT ZERO.

OKAY.

IT WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO PUT ZERO.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T AN OVERSIGHT.

CAN YOU PUT THE BUDGET UP ON THE SCREEN SO THE AUDIENCE COULD SEE IT? DO YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE OR NOT? HAVE IT ON THUMB DRIVE? I CAN PLUG IT IN.

I'LL PUT IT INTO THE CANVAS.

YEAH, PUT IT INTO THE CANVAS.

SO, UM, OR I CAN PUT IT IN WEBSITE.

COULD WE REMOVE THE $1.4 MILLION OUT OF THE LAND ACQUISITION PORTION AND JUST APPLY IT TO THE DEFICIT THAT'S ALREADY SHOWN IN THERE OF WHAT NEGATIVE THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ALMOST? UH, YOU COULD DO THAT BY MAKING A MOTION TO AMEND THE APPROVAL WHERE I NEED TO, ARE Y'ALL PUTTING IT UP ON THE SCREEN? I LIKE ALL THESE PAPERS.

IT'S ON PAGE TWO AT THE END ON THE DEFICIT.

ARE YOU IN JUST THE EEDC SPECIFIC OR ARE YOU IN THE FULL? JUST IN THE EDC.

OKAY.

LEMME GO DOWN TO THAT ONE.

I HAVE THE WHOLE AGENDA UP HERE.

CAN YOU GO INTO THE, SO WHILE THE, OH, THE THREE BARS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND HIT IT AND GO DOWN TO, TO SEVEN C AND PULL IT UP ON YOUR COMPUTER THAT WAY? OR ON THIS? UM, LIKE WE CAN OURS.

SHE'S, UH, NO I CAN'T.

YEAH, THIS ONE, UH, DIRECTOR CLARK INTO THE PRESENTATION.

OH, SORRY, QUICK QUESTION.

UM, THE 2.8 MILLION FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS, IS THAT WATER STREET? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IS THE REASON, AND AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, THE REASON IT'S A DEFICIT IS BECAUSE THIS YEAR IS WHAT COMES IN THIS YEAR AND OUT THIS YEAR, WHEREAS

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WATER STREET IS COMING FROM A DIFFERENT POT THAT WAS ALREADY, IS THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG? UM, IS THAT WHY IT'S A IT'S A DEFICIT? UM, NOT NECESSARILY THE, I MEAN THE DEFICIT IS A COMBINATION OF WATER STREET AND OF PROPERTY ACQUISITION.

MM-HMM .

UM, THEY DO HAVE A STRONG FUND BALANCE MM-HMM .

AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PLANNING FOR WATER STREET.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE YES.

PART OF THAT QUESTION.

GOTCHA.

SO IT'S, IT'S FUND BALANCE VERSUS WHAT WE ACTUALLY INTEND TO SPEND THIS YEAR.

CORRECT.

CORRECT.

WHAT EDC INTENDS TO SPEND THIS YEAR? YES SIR.

HAS THE E-S-L-E-L-S PROJECT BEEN FULLY FUNDED? YES, IT HAS.

OKAY.

I DID NOT.

AND THEN I GUESS DAVE'S NOT HERE, SO WE PROBABLY WON'T KNOW WHAT IS OUR CURRENT MATCH.

WHERE WE'RE, DO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT YET ON THE, HOW MUCH WE'VE PUT OUT, LIKE HOW MUCH WE'VE BILLED AND BACK AND FORTH FOR OUR, THE GRANT SIDE OF THE DEAL? IS THAT, UM, WHAT, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING FOR DAVE WHEN HE COMES BACK THE GRANT.

HOW COME DEVELOP MY GRANT? HE JUST ASKED US IF WE RECEIVED THE 400,000 SOMETHING.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO ELS OR THE NO, THE $3 MILLION GRANT FOR THE, I'M STILL BACK.

I'M STILL ON THE THAT ONE.

SO SORRY, I'M ALL OVER THE PLACE.

NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

SO I MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

YEP.

SO CAN I MAKE THE MOTION WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE $1.4 MILLION SLATED FOR LAND ACQUISITION TO MOVE IT INTO OFFSETTING THE DEFICIT SHOWN.

SO WHAT'S THE I'M TRYING TO, I CAN'T, MY INTERNET JUST WENT OUT, SO THAT'S COOL.

WHAT PAGE IS IT ON THIS BUDGET RIGHT HERE.

SECOND PAGE.

OH, IT'S NOT, IT'S IN THE, IT'S NOT IN THIS ONE.

IT'S IN YOUR, UH, YEAH, IT'S ON THIS ONE.

YEAH.

ON THE SECOND.

ALRIGHT.

FIRST PAGE AND IT GOES TO SECOND.

YEP.

UNDER THE CAPITAL OUTLAYS EXPENSE.

UH, AND THEN THE, UH, REPORTED SURPLUS OR DEFICIT.

THERE WE GO.

HAD TO TURN MY HOTSPOT BACK ON.

I HAD TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

MAYOR.

IT'S BROWN ON 400,000.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

IT'S WHAT ON 400,000.

400,000? YES SIR.

PERFECT.

SO BASICALLY WE JUST DROP IT TO A MILLION AND THEN WE HAVE A A NO DEFICIT RIGHT.

FOR LAND ACQUISITION.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT? YEAH.

SO REMOVE THE 1.4 SLATED FOR THAT AND YOU'RE APPLYING IT TO THE $3.4 MILLION NEGATIVE.

YOU'RE STILL GONNA LEAVE YOU IN THE HOLE.

IT STILL LEAVES YOU IN THE HOLE.

BUT THERE WE GO.

MS. CLARK IS PART, IS PART OF THAT DEFICIT BECAUSE WE WON'T RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE EDA UNTIL THE PROJECT IS NEARLY COMPLETED.

WELL, IT'S THE EDA GRANT IS REIMBURSABLE.

SO, UM, WE RECEIVE FUNDING BETWEEN 30 AND 90 DAYS AFTER WE SUBMIT, UM, A REQUEST.

SO IT JUST DIRECTLY CORRELATES WITH THE PROGRESS OF THE PROJECT.

THAT'S NOT REFLECTIVE AT ALL.

OKAY.

HUH? UM, SECOND PAGE.

WELL, SECOND PAGE.

IT'S RIGHT, IT IS RIGHT HERE ON THE FIRST AND THEN THE RECORDED NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM.

THERE YOU GO.

THERE'S YOUR DEFICIT.

RIGHT.

IT LEAVES YOU 2 MILLION SHORT.

I GOT A QUESTION.

YEP.

SO THE EDC CAN'T SPEND MONEY WITHOUT COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.

COUNCIL CAN'T SPEND EDCS MONEY WITHOUT EDCS APPROVAL STATE LAW.

MM-HMM .

SO NOW YOU'RE MOVING $1.4 MILLION.

THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND APPROVE WHAT YOU JUST DID.

NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY TELL YOU NO, THEY'VE ALREADY ARGUED WHAT? YOU OWN THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.

SO, SO I EXPECT THEM TO ARGUE WITH YOU ON THIS.

YEP.

SO THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT IS IF, UH, YOU DON'T APPROVE THEIR BUDGET BY OCTOBER 1ST, THEY DON'T GET TO SPEND ANY MONEY.

THAT'S NOT MY FAULT.

IT'S NOT.

I KNOW.

I AGREE.

I THINK THEY WERE TOLD NOT TO PUT THIS IN THERE.

WELL, YOU ASKED WHAT THE CONSEQUENCE WAS.

THAT'S WHAT I SEE.

THEY DON'T GET TO SPEND ANY MONEY IF THERE'S NO MR. DOE YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THIS.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S THE COUNCIL THAT APPROVES THE EDCS BUDGET.

YEAH.

SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE, THE EDC BOARD'S, UH, CONSENT OR APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL'S ACTION.

UH, WE TAKE THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO THE EDC BOARD FIRST SO THAT THEY HAVE A FIRST KIND OF CHANCE AT

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APPROVING AN OVERALL BUDGET.

BUT THEN IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THAT BUDGET AS PRESENTED OR MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS.

IT SO WISHES TO THAT BUDGET.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE EDC FOR THE EDC TO SIGN OFF ON THOSE CHANGES.

THE BUDGET FOR EDC IS ADOPTED AND APPROVED IN THE FORM THAT THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO APPROVE IT.

I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

CAN YOU SCROLL UP AGAIN TO THE TOP? SORRY, I'M, I WANT TO LOOK AT ONE MORE THING.

UM, I , SO WE'RE 500, YOU SAID WE'RE 5 MILLION OR SOMETHING IN THE HOLE.

WHY ARE WE EVEN SO THAT'S WHY, WHY, WHAT IS THAT, WHY IS THAT IN THE HOLE SO MUCH? IS IS THE QUESTION? 'CAUSE I'VE, THAT'S THE FIRST, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY, ANY, UH, LOGICAL SENSE THAT WE'RE THAT MUCH IN THE HOLE AND WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE A GOOD FUND BALANCE MM-HMM .

SO IS THERE A NUMBER THAT'S WRONG OR OFF OR SOMETHING? OR IS THERE SOMETHING I'M MISSING? AND I KNOW THIS IS HARD 'CAUSE DAVE'S, YOU KNOW, THE EDC DIRECTOR.

SO I MEAN, I WOULD ASSUME IT'S BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T HAVE A STARTING FUND BALANCE AND AN ENDING FUND BALANCE ADDED.

AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS OKAY.

YEAH.

I I FEEL LIKE, SO SOME OF THE FUND BA SO THIS IS THE REASON WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHY THAT'S THERE.

'CAUSE IF IT'S, WELL, THERE, THERE WAS ALLOCATED FUNDS IN THEIR FUND BALANCE MM-HMM .

FROM LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.

YEAH.

IT'S GONNA MAKE THE BUDGET LOOK BAD.

BUT IF THEY HAVE THAT'S ALLOCATED ALREADY IN THEIR FUND BALANCE, THEN WE'RE NOT IN A, A DEFICIT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED.

I WAS LIKE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE THAT WE HAVE THAT LARGE OF A DEFICIT.

SOME OF IT, SOME OF IT'S IN THE CONTRACT.

OKAY.

FIRST OFF, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE EDC TO PAY FOR THAT PARKING GARAGE.

MM-HMM .

IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS.

NOW IT'S UP TO ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, 2.8, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, 2.88 SIZE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN IF THE, THE DEVELOPER HOLDS ON AND DOES WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO, AS PART OF THAT CONTRACT, THEY OWE HIM ANOTHER SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

MM-HMM .

SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE SOME OF YOUR DEFICITS GOING TO FALL IN BECAUSE YOU, THEY'RE GONNA OWE HIM SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IF HE DOES ALL THE UPGRADES HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS BUDGET AND MAY NOT, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

YEAH.

WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO, IT'S OVER TIME, JUST TAKE THE NUMBERS AS THEY ARE.

YOU GOT $2.1 MILLION IN REVENUE AND YOU HAVE 5.6 AND EXPECTED EXPENSES MM-HMM .

WHICH LEADS YOU THE DEFICIT OF THREE, 3.4.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAD IN YOUR OPENING BALANCE, YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AT IT ANYWAY.

SO YOU'RE OVER BUDGET, OVER YOUR REVENUE EXP EXPENSE OF THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ALMOST.

NO, NO, NO.

I KNOW THAT.

BUT IF A SPECIAL PROJECT RIGHT.

YOU GET I'M JUST SAYING JUST KEEPING IT SIMPLE BUDGET IS BEEN SIMPLE.

YEAH.

THE NUMBERS.

YEAH.

IF A SPECIAL PROJECT THOUGH, WAS BUDGETED IN 22, 23, 24, 25 AND THEN, BUT WE'RE PAYING FOR IT IN 25, 26, THE REVENUE'S NOT GONNA MEET.

IT WILL NEVER MEET UP.

SO IT'S LIKE IF YOU SAVE FOR A HOUSE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN YOU BUY THE HOUSE IN THAT ONE, THAT FIFTH YEAR, YOUR, YOUR CASH FLOW IS GONNA LOOK WAY DIFFERENT THAN THE YEAR PRIOR BECAUSE YOU WENT OUT AND BOUGHT AND PUT A LOT OF MONEY DOWN.

BUT THAT ALL THAT MONEY DID NOT, WAS NOT DERIVED FROM ONE SPECIFIC YEAR.

RIGHT.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CASH FLOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THIS MONEY THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECT, THAT IS MONEY THAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR YEARS BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DRAGGING ITS FEET SINCE WHAT, 2018? 2019.

SO WHEN IT STARTED WITH THE PROJECT OVER HERE AND THEN THEY MOVED IT.

RIGHT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING OTHER, WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE FULL THING WHEN IT HAD THE FUND BALANCE AND ALL OF THAT, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT $5 MILLION DEFICIT.

SO THAT IS A VERY ALARMING NUMBER WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT.

YEAH, UNDERSTANDABLE.

UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CASH FLOW, IT IS NOT AS SIMPLE TO SAY.

IT'S ALL THE INCOME I MAKE THIS YEAR.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA SPEND.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE SAVINGS FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, JUST LIKE WITH YOUR ACCOUNTS AT YOUR HOUSE.

YOU DON'T JUST SAVE YOUR MONEY.

LIKE, OKAY, WELL I CAN ONLY SPEND WHAT I MADE THIS YEAR.

WELL NO, IF YOU SAVED A LOT MORE PREVIOUS YEARS, YOU CAN SPEND MORE.

RIGHT.

SO IF THEY HAVE A FUN BALANCE THAT CAN SOLIDIFY AND COVER IT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALL GAME.

SO I, THAT'S WHY I'M, WE CAN'T JUST DROP THE BUDGET BASED OFF THAT NUMBER WITHOUT MORE EVIDENCE THAT I I COMPLETED

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THE JULY REPORT FINANCIAL NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

I KNOW I'M SAYING THAT'S, I DON'T WANT TO DROP IT UNTIL I KNOW THAT THAT'S CLEARED UP.

'CAUSE THAT'S THE QUESTION.

I HAVE THE JULY REPORT FINANCIAL REPORT YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS EVENING.

'CAUSE I JUST COMPLETED FROM MONDAY'S MEETING AND THEY HAVE A $4.3 MILLION FUND BALANCE.

OKAY.

SO THEY'LL HAVE ABOUT ABOUT 800,000 OR SO LEFTOVER IF EVERYTHING COMES DUE EXACTLY HOW WE'RE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO.

CORRECT.

UM, AND I ALSO WANNA CLARIFY ON THE SPECIAL PROJECTS.

UM, WE DID TALK TO DAVE AND THERE'S $350,000 DUE TO ELS WHEN THEY, UM, OCCUPY THE BUILDING MM-HMM .

BUT THAT IS BUDGETED FOR IT IN THE $2.8 MILLION.

OKAY.

SO EVERYTHING Y'ALL ARE PLANNING TO DO UP TO THIS POINT IS BUDGETED.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT WOULD MAKE THE BUDGET LOOK REALLY MESSED UP IS THE SPECIAL PROJECT, WHICH IS THE, WELL I'M SAYING THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, AND I'M TRYING TO HELP MYSELF PROCESS THROUGH THIS OF WHY THAT NUMBER EXISTS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

WHEN DOES THE WATER STREET PROJECT PAYMENT START DEPEND ON THE GARAGE? WE BILLED FOR 1 MILLION.

IT HAS STARTED, WE BILLED FOR 1 MILLION.

OKAY.

WE JUST GOT OUR FIRST, UM, INVOICE FROM THE, UM, GARAGE CONSTRUCTION.

WELL, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT YEAH, I KNOW THAT.

BUT HOW ABOUT THE ORIGINAL, I MEAN THE ORIGINAL SIX AND A HALF PLUS TWO, THAT DMD, WHEN DOES THAT START? WHEN DOES THAT KICK IN? SO THAT DMD IS AT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

NONE OF THEM ARE DONE UNTIL THE THING IS FINISHED.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK WHAT HE, I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING IS THERE IS A DATE.

YES.

2026.

2026.

THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE ALL THE LAND THAT, THAT GARAGE HAS TO BE FINISHED BY A CERTAIN DATE IN 2026 FOR US TO MEET OUR PART OF THE CONTRACT FOR HIM TO START ON MM-HMM .

HIS PART OF THE CONTRACT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

YES.

I'M NOT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO IT'S, SO YOU HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT STARTED, I THINK IT WAS MARCH BY 2026.

AND IT HAS TO BE DONE BY A, I THINK AT THE END OF 26 OR THE BEGINNING OF 27 IS WHAT I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH.

THE PARKING GARAGE IS PART OF 'CAUSE YEAH.

OUR OBLIGATION TO THAT PROJECT.

SO THAT WAS ALREADY DONE DONE WHERE I HAD A SCHEDULE SOLIDIFIED.

SO WE'RE MOVED, THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION I HAD, WE HAD WITH DANIEL BLANCO ABOUT WHEN THE HECK ARE YOU GONNA START MOVING MONEY OR MOVING DIRT.

UM, BUT WE DO NOT OWE THEM ANOTHER DOLLAR UNTIL THEY FINISH THE PROJECT.

UM, THE LAND THEY'RE PURCHASING, I THINK AT $204,000 AN ACRE IS WHAT THEY'RE PURCHASING IT FOR.

UM, SO NOT UNREASONABLY PRICED LAND EITHER.

UM, BUT THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE THE ENTIRE THING AS OF AUGUST, 2026 OR THE WHOLE THING FALLS THROUGH.

SO, AND WE VERIFIED THAT WITH THE ATTORNEY AND THE, ALL THE AGREEMENT.

SO THEY HAVE SOME PRETTY STRICT DEADLINES.

AND YOU HAD SAID THEY GAVE 'EM A 60 DAY DEADLINE.

SO WHEN IS THAT DEADLINE? WELL, WELL THEY'RE GIVING THAT'S, THEY GAVE THEMSELVES THAT TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION.

I, I DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANYTHING.

OKAY.

'CAUSE I'M, WE'RE UNDER A CONTRACT, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY PROPOSED SO THAT BASICALLY THEY, YOU KNOW, GAVE US WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.

OKAY.

AND THAT DMD 2 MILLION AT THE END OF THE PROJECT IS TIED DIRECTLY TO A HOTEL.

YEP.

SO IF THEY DON'T BUILD THE HOTEL PER THE SPECIFICATIONS, THAT $2 MILLION GOES AWAY.

JUST LIKE IF THE 6 MILLION THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET IN RETURN, IF IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE LAND PAN THEY SUBMITTED, THEY DON'T GET THE $6 MILLION.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DELIVER WHEN WE WENT AND LOOKED THROUGH THAT ENTIRE AGREEMENT AND IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLEAR.

SO ONE THING ABOUT IT, IF THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING, THEY DON'T GET NO MONEY.

BUT WE STILL GOT A PARKING GARAGE OUT THERE FOR NOBODY TO PARK IN.

MM-HMM .

YEP.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND AGAIN, THESE WERE DECISIONS WE INHERITED.

I UNDERSTAND.

YES, SIR.

I WAS HERE.

JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR.

I WATCHED IT HAPPEN, BUT I WAS SITTING RIGHT HERE WHEN IT HAPPENED.

NOW I AIN'T BLAMING YOU.

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT I WILL SAY THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AN EYE SOURCE FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW FOR ALL OF US.

SO WE'RE, YEAH, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

ALL RIGHT.

SO CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE MOTION IS? 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF TALKING.

YES, SIR.

I'M, I AM.

MY ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO MOVE THE $1.4 MILLION TOWARDS THE DEFICIT LINE SHOWING ON THIS BUDGET AND TO APPROVE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND IT.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

I GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK AND OR COUNCIL, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANNA PICK.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO ANY

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MORE CO UH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? JUST FOR CLARITY, ARE WE VOTING ON THE BUDGET OR ARE WE VOTING ON, UH, AMENDMENT AND THEN GOING BACK TO A MAIN MOTION? I THINK IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THE AMENDMENT.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

IS THAT, AM I CORRECT? YEAH.

I ONLY OPENED IT UP FOR DISCUSSION ORIGINALLY.

SO NOW I'VE MADE THE MOTION TO REMOVE THE $1.4 MILLION FROM THE REAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION.

OKAY.

SO, SO THIS VOTE WOULD BE A VOTE TOMO TO APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THAT PROPOSED CHANGE? YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

TO REMOVE THE LAND ACQUISITION, CORRECT? UH, YES.

TO MOVE THAT 1.4 TO THAT OTHER LINE ITEM? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

UH OH.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

NAY.

GOT TWO NAYS.

IS THAT MR. SIMPSON AND WHAT? FOUR.

WE GOT FOUR A'S OVER HERE.

SO MOTION PASS.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, ALRIGHT.

[7.E Consideration and possible action to approve an incentive request by the Dickinson EDC for depot repairs for Keep Dickinson Beautiful. (DEDC)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN INCENTIVE REQUEST BY THE DICKINSON EDC FOR DEPOT REPAIRS FOR KEEPING DICKINSON BEAUTIFUL.

DEDC.

DO I HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION? MOVE TO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

I GOT A SECOND.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? WHAT'S WE GOT? WHAT DID YOU SEE? INCENTIVE AMOUNT.

10,000.

IT'S THE $10,000 FROM THE EDC FOR THE, IF I CAN REMEMBER RIGHT, THE STEPS TO REPLACE THE STEPS.

THE EMERGENCY REPAIRS AT THE DEPOT.

YES.

YES SIR.

STEPS AND THE WALKWAYS AND YEP.

UM, IT WAS APPROVED AT THE EDC MEETING PREVIOUSLY.

SO IT'S COMING TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

YES, SIR.

WE, UM, WE, THAT'S A CITY OWNED BUILDING AND SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO OVER THERE AND DO A REAL HARD LINE ASSESSMENT ON THAT BUILDING.

IT SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A TENANT COME TO ASK THE CITY FOR MONEY TO FIX THE CITY BUILDING.

IN MY OPINION, I BELIEVE THAT TENANT CAME TO THE MEETING 'CAUSE THEY NEEDED EMERGENCY REPAIRS.

THEY HAVE AN EVENT COMING UP, UH, IN ABOUT 30 DAYS THAT THEY WERE PLANNING ON USING THE BUILDING.

I AGREE.

IT JUST SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE THAT A TENANT HAS TO COME TO THE CITY TO ASK FOR MONEY TO FIX THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

WHAT, SO WHO OWNS IT? WELL, I THEON.

OKAY.

BECAUSE THIS, I'VE, I REMEMBER A COUPLE TIMES ON DMD APPROVING FUNDING TO DO SOME REPAIRS, UH, BEFORE LIKE SOME PLUMBING WORK AND MAYBE SOME SOMETHING ELSE.

UH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

IT WAS LIKE WHEN MARY DUNBAR WAS PRESIDENT OF DMDI.

I'VE, I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE.

SO I'VE, I'VE THAT'S, THAT'S INTRIGUING THOUGH.

WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING COUNCILMAN EDMONDS? UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

IS IT ANY FASTER? IS THIS, IS THIS IS JUST, UH, IS, IS THIS FASTER? IF EDC PAYS FOR IT NOW IS, IS MAYBE THAT WHY IT'S, UH, COMING BEFORE? SO, YES, SIR.

YEAH.

SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE TWO NONPROFITS THAT WORK OUTTA THERE MOST OF THE TIME.

MM-HMM .

WHEN THEY LOOK FOR ANYTHING, THEY USUALLY TRY TO WRITE FOR A GRANT, CORRECT? I MEAN, THAT'S, YES, SIR.

THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING.

IT IS THEY ATTEMPT TO, AND IF THEY CAN'T, THEN THEY, OH, I GOTTA ASK.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHY THEY'RE, THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY'RE ASKING NOW IS THEY JUST CAN'T FIND ANY WAY TO PAY FOR IT YET.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, WELL THERE'S ANOTHER MONKEY WRENCH.

WE GOT AN EMAIL TODAY SAID THE AIR CONDITIONER DON'T WORK.

YEAH.

SO THAT WAS, I WAS GONNA, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER 15, $20,000.

SO I WAS GONNA EXPENSE.

SO HERE'S THE QUE I GUESS HERE'S THE HARD QUESTION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UM, THE RECOVERY AND THE LONGEVITY OF THAT DEPOT AND WHAT OUR TRUE PLAN IS.

SO WE'RE NOT JUST THROWING AT IT MONEY AT IT FOR NO REASON.

RIGHT.

DO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PLAN? ABSOLUTELY.

DO I THINK IT'S VALUABLE? A HUNDRED PERCENT BUT JUST DOING IT RANDOMLY.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING THAT BUILDING ANY JUSTICE.

MAYBE PRUDENT TO POSTPONE THE BOAT.

WELL, NO, I MEAN THAT, THAT THING NEEDS, I THINK THAT SPECIFIC ITEM, BECAUSE IT IS A SAFETY, IT'S MORE WITH THE RAIL THINGS, I THINK.

RIGHT.

IT'S UH, IT'S BEEN POPPING DECKS.

THE RAMPS AND THE HANDRAILS.

YEAH, IT'S THE RAMPS AND THE STAIRS THAT, TO GET ACCESS TO THE FACILITY.

BASICALLY IT'S BEEN POPPING NAILS OUT OF THEM FOR YEARS.

YEAH.

MM-HMM .

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SO, SO WHERE IN THEIR BUDGET WAS THE 86 OR $8,200 OR WHATEVER IT WAS THEY WANTED HERE FOR THEIR EMERGENCY REPAIRS? DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE, IN THE EDC BUDGET THAT JUST GOT VOTED ON? NO, SIR.

I DO NOT.

OFF THE TOP OF MRS. CLARK.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS? I HATE TO DO THAT.

I THINK WE'RE STILL IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR RIGHT NOW THOUGH.

YES.

OR ARE THEY THE PREVIOUS USED IN PREVIOUS YEAR? WELL, IF THIS IS CURRENTLY NOT BUDGETED IN THE EDC BUDGET, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL PROJECT.

IT WOULD GO THE SAME PLACE LIKE THE WATER STREET, WHICH THEY HAVE PLENTY OF WELL, IT'S COMING OUT OF THE 25 BUDGET, NOT THE 25 6, BUT THE 24 5.

CORRECT.

IT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET.

IT'S NOT COMING OUTTA WHAT WE HAD JUST APPROVED.

YEAH, I KNOW.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT CLEARED THAT UP.

PERFECT.

AND IT WILL BE PAID OUT OF, IT WILL BE PAID IMMEDIATELY.

IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT, IT'LL BE ON THIS WEEK'S PAYMENT.

SO, OKAY.

KINDA LIKE DR.

HOL, I THINK Y'ALL BE POSTPONED TABLE, WHATEVER PROPER WORD WE ARE USING TODAY TO STOP DOING STUFF AND FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO FIX WHATEVER THEY NEED DONE.

AND THE AIR CONDITIONING REPAIRS, I'M PRETTY SURE WITH IT BEING A HUNDRED DEGREES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE WHATEVER COUNCILMAN SCHICK WAS TALKING ABOUT IF THEY AIN'T GOT NO AIR CONDITIONER OUT THERE.

SECOND, THINK THAT, IS THERE, IS THERE AN ACTIVE SAFETY ISSUE OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO STAY WORK AND MAYBE IT'S A, SO THERE'S, THERE'S LIABILITY CONCERNS WITH THAT BUILDING.

IT, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.

THAT'S OUR CONCERN ISSUE.

IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.

IF WE HAVE VISITORS COMING IN, IT IS A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE.

VISITORS COMING ON CITY PROPERTY.

IF THEY GET HURT, IF WE SHUT, SHUT IT DOWN, THEN WE DON'T LIABILITY THEN $8,000.

AND MR. MAGNO, MR. MAG SPOKE ABOUT A SERVICE AGREEMENT LAST TIME WE HAD A BUDGET WORKSHOP.

AND, AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO SPEAK ABOUT IN LIGHT OF THE AC GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE, UH, REAL DISCUSSIONS AT THE, AS TO THE USE OF THESE BUILDINGS MOVING FORWARD.

I AGREE.

I DON'T, WE DON'T THINK, WE DON'T HAVE A REAL PLAN FOR ANY IMMEDIATE TIMEFRAME TO MOVE THEM FROM THAT PLACE TO ANOTHER.

I THINK THAT WORD, I THINK THAT WORD YOU JUST USED IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, SIR.

THAT'S PLAN.

AND I, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL STRATEGIZES A PLAN FOR THAT BUILDING.

I OVERSEE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE IT'S NOT CRITICAL TO OUR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.

WE'VE BEEN VERY BUSY AND I CAN MAKE A TON OF EXCUSES FOR WHY THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN NEGLECTED.

I'M GONNA SET ALL THE MOTIONS, THE EMOTIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THAT.

BUILDING ASIDE FOR A SECOND AND TELL YOU THIS, MY CONCERN IS IF WE KEEP THROWING MONEY AT IT WITHOUT A PLAN AND A STRATEGY, WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE WASTING MONEY.

FOR INSTANCE, THE HANDRAILS AND THE GUARDRAILS IN THE WOODS BEING REPLACED AS BEING PLACED ON WET GROUND, WET EARTH.

CLEARLY THAT IS NOT A LONG-TERM PLAN.

THAT'S THE REASON IT HAS DISSOLVED THE WAY IT HAS TO BEGIN WITH IT'S HOLDING WATER UNDERNEATH THE FACILITY AND IT SHOULD NOT BE, THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THAT FACILITY THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

AND I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM THIS BODY WITH A STRATEGY AND A PLAN SO THAT WE CAN DO IT CORRECTLY.

NOW, THAT SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE $10,000 FOR IF WE WANT TO CALL THESE EMERGENCY FIXES, BUT TODAY, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, WE, THE, THE AIR CONDITIONER WENT OUT AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST YET.

I, IT STARTED A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

IT'S TURNED INTO POTENTIALLY LARGER.

I NEED TO GET MORE PEOPLE.

I NEED A SECOND AND THIRD OPINION FIRST.

WE'RE MEETING EVERY OTHER WEEK NOW, LIKE WE USED TO MEET.

YES.

SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING.

BRING US BACK FOR THE EMERGENCY REPAIRS AND THE AC REPAIRS SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

YES, SIR.

SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION.

SO CAN WE, UH, JUST AMEND YOUR MOTION OR WE, UH, PULL YOUR MOTION AND SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE? IS THERE A SECOND FOR IT? I'LL SECOND.

GOT A SECOND.

I ALWAYS HAVE A VOTE ON THE MOTION NOW.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

YES.

OKAY.

WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY DOING MOST OF THE REPAIRS.

I, THEY REPLACED A LOT OF THE HANDRAILS.

THEY REPLACED A LOT OF THE ROT WOOD, BUT PERHAPS I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MRS. MASTERS SAID, WE'LL USE THIS MONEY IN THIS ACCOUNT AND THE EDC CHECK WILL HELP BACKFILL THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE USING TO GET THOSE, THAT EMERGENCY REPAIR, IF WE'RE GONNA CALL IT THAT DONE.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR MR. MASTERS.

CAN I, UM, I, PART OF THIS WAS, IS ABOUT TIMING.

THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A FUNCTION COMING UP AT THAT PLACE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

HEARD THE REPAIRS NEEDING TO BE DONE PRIOR TO THE FUNCTION AND THE VISITORS SHOWING UP AT THE FACILITY.

I THINK THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A SAFETY RISK, THAT PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

WELL THIS WAS ALSO BEFORE THERE WAS NO AC YEAH.

SO I THINK THE, THE AC IS WHAT REALLY PUTS THE WRENCH IN IT IS LIKE IF IT WAS JUST THE 10,000, I BELIEVE THE, UH, FUNCTION IS AN OUTDOOR FUNCTION.

OH, OKAY.

THEY JUST NEED TO GET UP THE RAMP TO GET INTO THE PATIO AREA.

OKAY.

SO THE RAMP ISN'T THE RAMP WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S

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DILAPIDATED.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO, SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE CAME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND APPROVED THE $10,000, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THAT FUNCTION BECAUSE THAT WORK IS ALREADY BEING DONE AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN FUNDED NOW FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

OH, OKAY.

YES, SIR.

SO WHILE, WHILE I'M PRESENTING THIS AS, AS, AS INFORMATION AND NOT MY OWN, I'M NOT GONNA OPINE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD GIVE THE 10,000 OR NOT.

I, I JUST WANT TO SPEAK THROUGH IT OPENLY AND HONESTLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN NEGLECTED.

I OVERSEE FACILITIES AND I'M FULLY AWARE OF THAT AND I VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE THIS BODY TO GIVE US SOME, SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW WE INTEND TO UTILIZE THAT BUILDING IN THE FUTURE.

AND JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR, I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR MRS. MASTERS.

KEEP DICKINSON BEAUTIFUL, THE DICKINSON HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.

IF NOT, IT'S GONNA BE LOST.

BUT WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WHAT IS IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST UTILIZE OUR RESOURCES IN OUR BUILDINGS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE SAY WE NEED A SERVICE AGREEMENT.

UH, I I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL, AS A, AS A UNITED FRONT AS TO HOW TO PROCEED AND MOVE FORWARD.

WELL, TO BE TRUTHFUL, WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS HAS BEEN POURED INTO THAT BUILDING SINCE THE YEAR THE TWO THOUSANDS.

THEY HAD A GRANT FROM THE STATE PLUS WE MATCHED THAT GRANT.

PLUS SUPPOSEDLY WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL BACK THEN, THEY TOLD US THAT THIS IS ENOUGH MONEY TO FINISH EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

THEN I GOT BACK ON THE EDC BOARD TO FIND OUT THAT WE WERE STILL PAYING MONEY TO THE STATE.

'CAUSE THEY CLAIMED WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM THEIR MONEY AND WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TO THAT EFFECT.

NOW HERE WE ARE, WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY AGAIN, FOR THAT TO BE TOLD THAT THAT BUILDING'S NEVER BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

THAT HAD WATER STANDING ON IT UNDERNEATH THE BOTTOM AND RIGHT IN THE BOTTOM OF IT OUT INTO TWO THOUSANDS.

AND IN 20 20, 20 25, IT'S STILL GOT WATER STANDING IN THE BOTTOM, RIGHT IN THE BOTTOM OF IT OUT.

AND NOTHING'S CHANGED IN 25 YEARS.

I, I MEAN, I'M NOT BLAMING NOBODY.

I DON'T, I CANT DISAGREE, I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I WASN'T HERE, BUT I NOT BLAMING NOBODY IN HERE.

I'M NOT BLAMING THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THEM AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT.

BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THAT.

THAT'S JUST A KNOWN FACT.

I KNOW THAT DR.

KEARNEY KNOWS THAT, AND I'M PRETTY SURE COUNCILMAN SHEG KNOWS THAT COUNCILMAN DIETZ KNEW THAT THIS IS NOT NOTHING BRAND NEW.

I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN STRATEGIZE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S SUSTAINABLE STATE GRANTS AND EDC MONEY AND CITY MONEY SOONER OR LATER YOU GOTTA SHUT THE TAP OFF.

I DON'T THINK WE WERE AWARE OF THAT, COUNCILMAN.

I KNOW YOU WASN'T TOWNSEND.

SO, UH, I JUST WANNA FIX A DEPOT AND GET IT UP NICE.

AND MOVE FORWARD.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT HISTORY LESSON.

THERE'S NO DOUBT.

BUT WE, I, I, UH, ALL, SO, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.

SO WHAT IS THE MOTION OF? MOTION IS MOTION TO POSTPONE SO THEY CAN BRING US BACK A BID AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO DO THE EMERGENCY REPAIRS AND GET THE AIR CONDITIONER FIXED.

I MEAN, I'LL CERTAINLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIR CONDITIONER BY THEN.

I SHOULD HAVE THAT TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY.

BUT FOR CLARIFICATION THOUGH, WHAT MATT, MR. MENINO SAID IS THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING THE REPAIRS.

WHAT THIS VOTE WOULD'VE DONE IS BASICALLY RETROFIT THEIR EXPENSES FOR DOING THE REPAIRS.

SO THAT I DON'T THINK THEY HAD ENOUGH CASH TO FINISH THE REPAIRS.

THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ANALYSIS SAID, STARTING WITH WHAT THEY HAD ON HAND, ANTICIPATING THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THIS SO THEY COULD FINISH THE REPAIRS.

OKAY.

THAT'S NEWS TO ME.

I, I, I, I READ, I WAS FOLLOWING AN EMAIL CHAIN AND I GUESS I MISINTERPRETED THAT AS WE ARE STARTING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT, WE'RE GOING TO START THESE REPAIRS, I BELIEVE ARE THE WORDS THAT WERE USED.

SO, UM, I GUESS I MISSPOKE WE'RE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE FACTS.

WHEREVER THEY GOT THE MONEY FROM, EM DO WHATEVER WITH HER MONEY.

ALL WE'RE DOING IS HOLDING OFF ON WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT, PLUS FINDING OUT WHAT THE AC REPAIRS ARE.

IF THEY GOT $500 THEY WANT TO GO SPEND ON THERE AND THEIR OWN ACCOUNT.

SO BE IT MORE POWER TO 'EM AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THE VISION THAT THIS BODY HAS FOR THAT FACILITY.

AND IN ORDER TO TRULY HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT AND, AND A PLAN AND STRATEGIZE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT'S SUSTAINABLE.

I NEED GUIDANCE.

WE NEED, UH, UH, THE STAFF NEEDS GUIDANCE FROM YOU GUYS AS A BODY OF WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH THAT FACILITY.

DO WE MAKE, DOES IT PRODUCE REVENUE? DO WE, DO WE JUST MONETIZE MY IZE IT? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SAYING THAT IZE IT.

WE COULD MONETIZE IT TOO.

YEAH.

ARE WE GONNA CREATE REVENUE FROM IT? WAS THAT ITS INTENT? IF THAT'S THE INTENT, THEN WE'LL HAVE A RETURN OF INVESTMENT IF WE INVEST IN IT, IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO, TO, TO MAINTAIN IT AS OFFICE SPACE FOR THOSE TWO,

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UM, NON-PROFITS, PERHAPS IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO START, UH, PROVIDING SOME COST SHARE.

UH, JUST THERE'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND I NEED SOME GUIDANCE.

WE NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU GUYS.

OKAY.

AND, AND I GUESS I GOT A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION, RIGHT? THE AC BROKE, BUT WHAT IS BEFORE US IS AN APPROVAL OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FUNDS.

CORRECT.

SO IF WE COME BACK NEXT MEETING AND LOOK AT THIS PLUS AC, THE AC ISS NOT GOING TO BE, OR IS IT GOING TO BE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION EXPENDITURE? IT'S, WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S UP TO THEM.

WHAT'S THE CITY OF DICKINSON BUILDING? SO WHY WOULD IT BE AN EDC EXP? WELL, THIS, THIS APPLICATION WAS ASKED AND REQUESTED FROM DEDC.

SO THIS WAS JUST APPROVING THEIR, UH, THAT APPLICATION.

SO NO, THE THE, THE HVAC SYSTEM WOULD BE A SEPARATE REQUEST AND IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

YEAH, IT'D BE SEPARATE FROM EDC TO BE HONEST.

I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY LIABILITY FOR AN EXISTING TENANT AND GUESTS THAT ACTUALLY SHOW UP OVER THERE.

EXCUSE ME.

SO, SO ACTUALLY IF, IF THE RAIL IS GETTING PAID FOR BY THE EDC AND WE'RE PAYING, WE NEED TO, TO DO THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE AC, THIS VOTE ACTUALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AC AND, OR THE SAME ANY FUNDS AS WELL.

RIGHT? SO THEN HERE'S THE, WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA END UP APPROVING THIS AND WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT MONEY IN IT, BUT FROM THE CITY SIDE, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OR THE, THE, THE FACILITY ITSELF, THAT'S A COUNCIL PROBLEM.

THAT'S NOT AN EDC PROBLEM.

NOW THAT MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE WITH EDC TO SAY, HEY, CAN WE GET SOME HELP? RIGHT.

OR A DMD CONVERSATION.

UM, BUT IT, IT'S, UM, I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A US PROBLEM THAN A EDC PROBLEM.

MR. TOWNSEND, THOUGH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, AT LEAST ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO VOTE ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW GOOD THE BILLING'S GONNA BE, WHAT THE USE IS GONNA BE, HOW VIABLE THE STRUCTURE'S GONNA BE.

DO WE NEED TO MOVE ON? DO WE CUT OUR LOSSES? SO YEAH, I I THINK POSTPONING THE DECISION FOR A COUPLE WEEKS IS A GOOD IDEA WITH THE, WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION IN THE MEANTIME IN TERMS OF ESTIMATED COST REPAIRS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? WE GOT THE MOTION TO, UH, POSTPONE.

UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR COUNCILMAN DECKER.

MATT WAS IN THE WAY.

I COULDN'T SEE HIM.

, HE KNOWS ABOUT THIS TOO.

LIKE ALL THE REST OF US .

I DON'T WANT HIM TO FEEL SLIDERS.

.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE'LL GET A VOTE.

SO ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALRIGHT.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, MOTION FAILS.

ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FUNDING.

I GOT SECOND.

SO NOW YOU HAVE A MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FUNDING.

I GOT A SECOND.

UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? NO.

ALL IN FAVOR, GO AHEAD.

I HAVE, YEP.

MATT, YOU HAVE GOT TO, YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THIS FACILITY.

THEY, AND JOHNNY, YOU MAY, UH, HAVE SOME INFO ON THIS.

I KNOW JUST A FEW YEARS BACK, THEY SPENT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THAT THING AND YEAH, I LOOKED AT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE AND TO ME IT WAS PATHETIC.

THEY PAINTED OVER ROTTEN WOOD, THERE WERE STILL NAILS POPPED UP.

SO WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FACILITY WHETHER YOU DO IT OR, OR HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO IT.

BUT IT, IT'S BEEN A MONEY PIT AND IT'S A GREAT, I LOVE TRAINS, I LOVE DEPOTS.

I I LOVE TO LOOK AT 'EM, BUT THIS IS A MONEY PIT AND I, I CONCUR.

SOMEHOW WE GOTTA CUT OUR LOSSES.

I CONCUR.

I I AGREE.

I I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

WELL, I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE A GOOD STRATEGY AND A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A SUSTAINABLE, UM, BUDGET OVER WHETHER IT'S ONE OR TWO OR FIVE YEAR PLAN BASED ON WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS WANNA SEE WITH THIS FACILITY.

AND, AND I JUST THINK SINCE IT'S SAFETY, I'VE, I'VE BEEN THERE.

I'VE WALKED THOSE THINGS.

NAILS ARE POPPED UP EVERYWHERE.

YOU GET YOUR HAND ON A NAIL.

I AGREE.

SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND, AND WE'VE NEGLECTED IT IN TIME WITHOUT A DOUBT.

I, I WON'T, I WON'T STAND UP HERE AND, AND, AND TELL YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM THAT.

THAT IS THE FACT.

BUT WE HAVE PRIORITIZED OTHER THINGS AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PASS A BUDGET WITH A COLA AND SIGNIFICANT CUTS.

AND, AND, AND, AND FOR THAT REASON, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT HARD WORK THAT WE'RE DOING MORE WITH LESS, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SIDE EFFECTS.

AND THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING'S, ONE OF 'EM, IT'S NOT CRITICAL TO OUR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO, AND I SAY THAT, UH, TO, TO KIND OF APOLOGIZE TO, UH, MRS. MASTERS AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT SHE HAS A LOT OF LOVE FOR THAT BUILDING AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE US JUST PUMP A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH, THEY, THEY, UM, THE LAST REQUEST THEY HAD WAS WINE AND ROSES SPONSORSHIP.

UH, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO TRY TO, UH, REPAIR

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THE MUSEUM PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

THEY WANTED TO REPLACE SOME, SOME, UM, EXHIBIT DISPLAY HOLDERS.

THAT WAS THE LAST REQUEST THAT HAD GONE THROUGH FOR THEM.

BUT I, I, I DO REMEMBER A FACILITY UPDATE, LIKE I SAID, EXCUSE ME, LIKE I SAID, LONG WHEN, UH, UM, MARY DUNBAR WAS STILL ON.

I REMEMBER THAT PART.

BUT YEAH, THEIR, THEIR MOST RECENT HAVE BEEN WINE AND ROSES AND THEN MUSEUM DISPLAY CASES.

WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO IT, SIR.

I PROMISE WE'LL GET OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WORK IS BEING DONE IS NOT COMPLETELY WASTED AS WELL.

I'LL GET OUT THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

NA.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION PASSED.

UH, SEVEN F CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THIS SALE OF AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD EASEMENT TO CASTLE ROCK COMMUNITIES LLC.

BUT MAYOR, CAN I GET A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO TAKE THIS ITEM AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION? AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

YES.

SO WE WILL, UM, WAIT WITH SEVEN F AND THEN, SO WE WILL CLOSE

[8. EXECUTIVE (CLOSED) SESSION(S)]

INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT EIGHT 16 OUT HERE.

YOU HAVE A QUORUM.

YOU, YOU CAN.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT BACK UP AT 9 0 7.

UH, AND THEN, SO WHICH WILL BRING US

[7.F RESOLUTION XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to adopt a Resolution to approve the sale of an emergency access road easement to Castlerock Communities LLC. (Community Development) ]

TO SEVEN F CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE SALE OF AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD EASEMENT TO CASTLE ROCK COMMUNITIES LLC.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

SECOND.

SECOND.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION AND A MU BUNCH OF SECONDS.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION PASSED.

AND THEN WE HAVE NO, UH, NO OR, UH, NO ACTION, NO ACTION ITEMS FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, 10

[10. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE, THE UDC PUT BUG ON IT.

OKAY.

UM, UM, MAYOR, I THINK LAST TIME, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING I ASKED FOR AN ITEM TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING TO SET A FUTURE JOINT MEETING DATE BETWEEN P AND Z AND COUNCIL.

OKAY.

IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT MADE IT ON THERE.

MY GUESS IS IS, UH, I THINK I'M GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE NEXT PNZ MEETING AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THEM TO BE LOOKING FOR ONE IN OCTOBER.

OKAY.

SO NEXT MEETING.

CAN WE HAVE THAT ITEM PUT ON THE AGENDA TO ESTABLISH A DATE FOR A JOINT MEETING? PERFECT.

ANY OTHER, UH, ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? ALRIGHT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN UH, NUMBER 11, ADJOURNMENT MEETING ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU.