[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]
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GO AHEAD AND, UH, CALL TO ORDER THIS, UH, SPECIAL BUDGET WORKSHOP.
UM, GO AHEAD AND GET A CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM AS WELL, MAYOR TRAVIS MELU HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNNY SIMPSON.
COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SCHRADER.
COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN EVANS HERE.
AND NUMBER TWO IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.
COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.
NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.
ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE, DELIBERATE.
[3.A Presentation and discussion concerning the FY2025-2026 Budget for the City of Dickinson.]
GENERAL, UM, BUT I DO HAVE 1 4, 3 A, WHICH WILL BRING US TO NUMBER THREE, BUDGET WORKSHOP, WHICH IS PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON.AND, UH, MR. WALLY DIETZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP NOW OR WOULD YOU LIKE US TO TALK AND THEN YOU COME UP LATER? OR WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, BOTH.
HOW ABOUT YOU JUST GIVE YOUR, UH, COMMENTS UP NOW AND THEN WE WILL, UH, IF, IF YOU WANNA RAISE YOUR HAND, I'LL GET MY ATTENTION AND I'LL, I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET YOU UP HERE.
YEAH, I MAINLY, UH, MAINLY CAME TO, UH, OFFER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, OVER THE DMD BUDGET THAT WAS JUST APPROVED.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TWO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HERE, INCLUDING THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH, UH, I WASN'T AWARE.
YEAH, YOU SIT OVER THERE AND Y'ALL SIT
BUT ANYWAY, THAT, AND THEN, UH, IF Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON STREETS, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, CHASE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, BRING IT TO YOU IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY UPDATES, YOU AND, UH, MS. CLARK, UM, IF Y'ALL WANNA GET IT STARTED AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
THANK YOU MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF CITIZENS.
SO, IT IS MY GOAL THAT WE CAN, FOR THIS BUD BUDGET WORKSHOP, THAT WE CAN WORK OUT ANY ISSUES, CONCERNS, UH, ANY ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT WE CAN WORK OUT.
SO WE CAN APPROVE THE BUDGET NEXT TUESDAY ON THE NINTH.
IF WE NEED TO HAVE MORE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY DO THAT THE 16TH WE HAVE ALL NEXT WEEK.
UH, BUT THAT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL.
UH, THE DEADLINE FOR THE BUDGET.
WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, THOUGH.
WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THIS BUDGET.
WE DON'T WANT TO COME UP ON THE LAST MINUTE.
BASICALLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, IT'S NOT A BALANCED BUDGET.
WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF 1200, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CUT QUITE A BIT.
OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE WENT THROUGH AND CUT EVEN MORE.
WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WORKING THROUGH THIS BUDGET LIKE NEVER BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS CREDIT TO THE MAYOR, THE COUNCIL, MY STAFF, THE OF US, AND I APPRECIATE YOU, OUR BOARDS, EVERYONE.
YOU KNOW, I WANNA FIRST START OFF BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE PD, THE UNION, THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, WHOM I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
THE UNION WAIVED, THEY AGREED, THEY AGREED TO WAIVE THE COLA REQUIREMENT.
THE CURRENT CBA STATES THAT IF THE CITY GIVES OUT A COLA, THE PD, THE UNION MEMBERS RECEIVE THE SAME COLA.
IF, IF THEY DIDN'T REQUIRE, IF THEY DID NOT WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE CHALLENGING FOR US TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET.
ALSO, WHILE ADDING THAT COLA FOR STAFF, THEY AGREED TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
IN DOING SO, IT GIVES THE REST OF THE STAFF, I, INCLUDING THE TELECOMMUNICATORS, THE COLA RAYS THAT WE HAVE BUILT IN THIS SELFLESS ACT.
PUTTING THE CITY ABOVE THEIR OWN NEEDS IS A TESTAMENT TO THEIR CHARACTER AND THEIR DESIRE AS A UNION TO SEE OUR CITY MOVE FORWARD.
JUST A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, THE HUGHES ROAD PROJECT, THE DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE THE TRAFFIC ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THE HUGHES ROAD PROJECT HAS A LOCAL MATCH OF $492,000 THAT WAS NEVER BUDGETED FOR.
WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS MATCH FOR FIVE YEARS.
THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL, PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL PUSHED THIS COST OFF ONTO US JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I, SO WE ARE HAVING TO ACCOUNT FOR
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THIS COST AS WELL AS MANY OTHER ITEMS. THIS $500,000 WE COULD HAVE PUT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND ASSISTING IN, STRAIGHTENING OUT CERTAIN ISSUES THAT WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE, BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH IT NOW.EVEN THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR, WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THESE MATCHES BE INCLUDED IN PREVIOUS BUDGETS, BUT NO ONE LISTENED.
SO NOW THAT PROJECT, IT WILL BE COMPLETED IN 2026.
AND THIS LOCAL MATCH MUST BE PAID FOR IN THIS BUDGET NOW.
SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MR. DEETS, DMD, MR. BLACK CHAIR, MRS. STICKY FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS.
I KNOW MR. UH, MR. DEETS SPOKE ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AGO.
THERE'S 463,000 SET ASIDE FOR STREETS PLUS THE OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR CITY.
WITHOUT THE DMD, WE COULDN'T, NONE OF THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, WE WILL MAKE THE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS THIS EVENING AND BRING THE BUDGET BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
WE WILL MEET AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO WORK THROUGH THIS BUDGET.
I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN TEARING IT APART.
I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT SINCE THE LAST WORKSHOP I CUT EVEN MORE TRAVEL TRAINING, TUITION REIMBURSEMENTS, EMPLOYEE RELATIONS.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT EXPENDITURE COMPARISON SHEET THAT WE PRINTED FOR YOU, I HAVE TAKEN ALL POSSIBLE STEPS TO ELIMINATE WASTE IN UNNECESSARY POSITIONS.
THIS ORGANIZATION, I THINK WE ALL KNOW, WAS BLOATED AT THE TOP, BUT IS NOT ANYMORE.
THERE WERE INTERNAL EQUITY ISSUES IN THIS ORGANIZATION, BUT NOT ANYMORE.
THIS ORGANIZATION HAD TOO MANY UNNECESSARY CONTRACTS AND FLUFF, BUT NOT ANYMORE.
I HAVE REMOVED THE DRONE SUBSCRIPTION IN THE WARRANTY TO PREVENT DUPLICATE EXPENSES WITH THE PD AND THE DRONE.
AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THIS HUGHES ROAD PROJECT, THE LOCAL MATCH, $500,000 NEVER BEING ACCOUNTED FOR.
THIS ADDS EVEN MORE STRESS TO THIS BUDGET IF IT WEREN'T FOR THIS LOCAL MATCH BEING PUSHED OFF UNTIL NOW.
I THINK WE COULD HAVE SEPARATED STREET MAINTENANCE FUND COMPLETELY.
WE COULD HAVE WORKED OUT MANY ISSUES COMPLETELY, BUT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT LOCAL MATCH.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT'S $39 MILLION OF A PROJECT THAT'S INFRASTRUCTURE BEING IMPROVED IN OUR CITY.
SO WE ARE THANKFUL TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE FOR THAT.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEGUN TO IDENTIFY ITEMS THAT THE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND CANNOT FUND, INCLUDING OPERATIONS THAT LACK JUSTIFICATION.
WE'VE TAKEN THE FIRST STEPS IN CLEANING THIS FUND UP.
I CAN'T FIX THIS ALL AT ONCE WITHOUT DISRUPTING SERVICES, ELIMINATING POSITIONS, OR CUTTING THE COLA FOR STAFF.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT SURPLUS OF AROUND 1,268 9 CENTS.
SOMETHING TO THAT, I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT, MRS. CLARK, THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO BEING BALANCED.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? CUT, EDIT.
ALRIGHT, SO ONE THING I DO WANNA SAY IS, UH, I KNOW, UM, MR. CAREY AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN, AND ACTUALLY ALSO, UH, MR. MALIN AND A FEW OTHER, MS. CLARK BEEN BEATING OUR HEADS WITH THIS WHOLE BUDGET THING AND TRYING TO FIND PLACES TO CUT FROM.
SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK Y'ALL ARE PUTTING INTO THIS.
UM, ALSO I THINK OF THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE UNION, DMD AND THE CITY, AND THEN ALSO EDC.
WE CAN JUST SEE THAT THE, UH, COMMUNICATION WITHIN OUR CITY HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, AND THIS IS ALL FOR THE BETTER.
AND THIS IS JUST IN WHAT, SEVEN MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS OF THIS THING GOING.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THE WORK Y'ALL ARE DOING.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS OPEN IT UP FOR ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS IF YOU'D LIKE, HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT LINE ITEMS, THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE CUT.
UM, I ALSO HAVE MY OWN THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, THOSE THINGS FIRST.
SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE CUT? NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT ANYMORE.
I'M JUST SAYING, HEY, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO CUT, ADD, EDIT.
THE PREVIOUS BUDGET WE BROUGHT TO YOU HAD A $5,000 DEFICIT.
I COULD HAVE CUT SOMETHING OUT LIKE THAT RIGHT THEN TO MAKE THAT A BALANCE.
I'M BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING IN, CUT SOMETHING OUT.
SO, SO PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE, RIGHT? UH, MORE FLUFF OF, SO MORE, UH, UM, OF A BUFFER, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, MAIN REASON IS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT BUFFER, I WOULD RATHER BE ABLE TO DO BUDGET AMENDMENTS BECAUSE OF GOOD THINGS, NOT BECAUSE OF BAD THINGS.
UM, THE UNFORTUNATE PROBLEM IS
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COUNCILS IN PAST, AND THIS IS ACROSS ALL THE WHOLE NATION, IS WE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING.WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE'LL JUST AMEND IT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD AND ADD MORE TO THE BUDGET.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LARGER AMOUNT OF BUFFER SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING IN THE HOLE, SO THAT AT SOME POINT WE CAN PUT MONEY INTO THE GENERAL FUND RIGHT.
AND START TO GET IT BACK TO THE 25.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE, UM, SUPER, YOU KNOW, UH, POPULAR.
BUT MY, THE ONE THAT I AM GONNA RECOMMEND TO CUT ARE THE LINE ITEMS. IF EVERYONE WANTS TO GO TO 'EM, UH, WHERE, WHERE'D IT GO? I HAD 'EM RIGHT OUT.
SO IT STARTS WITH CO CONFERENCE AND TRAVEL FOR THE MAYOR.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS CONFERENCE AND TRAVEL FOR COUNCIL.
AND THEN LOCAL MTG, WHICH I DON'T, IS THAT MEETING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS WHY DO WE HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET? TRAVIS? WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU IN A, UM, ADMIN? SO SECTION ONE 14.
I DON'T KNOW THE PAGE 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PAGE NUMBERS, BUT ALRIGHT.
IT'S AT THE VERY END OF ADMIN RIGHT BEFORE THE FINANCE.
SO QUESTION IS, IS WHAT IS THE MONEY THAT WE'RE USING FOR, FOR INSTANCE, LOCAL MEETING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL? WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT INCLUDES, THAT INCLUDES YOUR $75 YEP.
AND THE LOCAL IS, THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR THAT ONE.
SO THAT'S WHAT IS THAT THE DAC ONE? ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT? HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE.
YEAH, I'M PULLING IT UP RIGHT HERE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONFERENCE IN THE, FOR THE TRAVEL FOR THE MERIT AND THE CONFERENCE TRAVEL FOR COUNCIL? YES.
SO WE HAVE 22,000 OR 11,000 AND THEN 3,200 FOR MY POSITION.
UM, JUST FOR TRAVELING TO CONFERENCES.
TML, ISN'T IT? SO THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS WHY ARE WE SENDING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THOSE THINGS WHEN WE'RE IN A BUDGET SITUATION? FAIR.
UM, FIRST OFF, I'LL ANSWER THAT.
LIKE I DON'T GO TO ALL OF THEM.
BUT, UH, I'VE BEEN GOING TO 'EM SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK ON COUNCIL.
'CAUSE I'M RETIRED NOW AND I CAN DO IT WITHOUT TAKING VACATION.
BUT YOU GO UP THERE, YOU FIND OUT I WENT TO ONE CLASS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I STILL GOT YOU FIND OUT WHERE THEY WERE SPENDING MONEY ILLEGALLY AROUND HERE.
THEY ASKED THEM ABOUT A A $90,000 STUDY.
AND THE FIRST QUESTION, I WON A COUNCILMAN'S MOUTH.
WELL, WELL DIDN'T WE DO THAT IN $30,000 INCREMENTS? AND THEY SAY, OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WE WERE UNDER THE 50,000 THRESHOLD.
BUT WHEN YOU ADD THE 30, 30, 30 AND THEN 90 COUNCIL DIDN'T APPROVE IT, IT'S A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.
ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT? I GOT A PICTURE OF IT IN MY PHONE.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO THEM MEETINGS, YOU FIND OUT WHETHER YOU'RE DOING THINGS RIGHT OR WRONG.
YOU GET TO NETWORK WITH SOME OF YOUR OTHER COUNCIL PEOPLE AND MEET WHAT'S GOING ON.
'CAUSE THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY TIME OTHER THAN MAYBE A AMERICAN COUNCIL MEETING.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND YOU GET TO WORK, BUT IT NEVER FAILS.
YOU GO TO SOME OF THEM, AND I'LL ADMIT TO ME, SOME OF THE CLASSES I GO TO ARE A WASTE.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT ONE THAT YOU GO INTO AND THAT MADE IT WORTH THE MONEY.
AND, AND IF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WOULD GO, MAYBE WE DON'T ALL GO, BUT IF DIFFERENT COUNCIL PEOPLE WOULD GO, THERE'S SOMETHING TO PICK UP AT EACH ONE OF THEM BY GOING, WE GOT LUCKY LAST YEAR.
'CAUSE IT WAS IN HOUSTON, SO ALL WE WERE OUT WAS THE CONFERENCE.
SO WE DROVE UP THERE AND BACK AND FORTH.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE NIGHT, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO STAY IN A HOTEL ROOM BECAUSE WE COULD STAY AT HOME.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S IN FORT WORTH THIS YEAR.
BUT I, BUT IT'S A GOOD TRAINING DEAL.
I I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT GOOD TRAINING.
AND, AND THIS IS WHY I STILL WANT CHASE TO GO.
I WOULD LIKE, UH, MR. MAGDALENO TO GO, I'D LIKE SOME OF OUR STAFF TO GO.
MY QUESTION IS, IS IF WE NEED TO CRUNCH NUMBERS AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT TO WHERE WE HAVE A BETTER BALANCED BUDGET, ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT WE COULD GET RID OF COMPLETELY AND WOULD HAVE NO OPERATIONAL CHANGE TO THE CITY IS OUR CONFERENCE AND TRAVEL.
WHEREAS, IF YOU THINK IT'S VALUABLE ENOUGH TO GO PAY FOR IT YOURSELF AND GO, IF YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE, WE'LL PAY FOR YOU TO GO.
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WHY WE PAY FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE.IS THE QUESTION I'M HAVING OR CONCERN I'M HAVING IS WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO YOU BEING ABLE TO GET TRAINED, UM, OR MYSELF TO GET TRAINED.
BUT YOU'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EMPLOYEES.
SO WHY, IF WE WANT TO, SO FOR INSTANCE, PEOPLE YOU SAY WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF, UM, OR YOU'RE SAYING, I DON'T WANT MY STIPEND.
WELL, THE STIPEND IS IRRELEVANT IF WE GO AND THEN SPEND ANOTHER FIVE, SIX GRAND ON TRAVEL.
RIGHT? SO THE QUESTION IS, IS WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY ON TAX PAYING DOLLARS ON TRAVEL FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT EMPLOYEES? THAT IS MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT IN THE BUDGET? WHY ARE WE NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR OUR OWN TRAVEL? ALRIGHT, LET ME THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
SO LET ANSWER A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
IT'S, IT IS, IT'S MY QUESTION.
YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE THINGS? NOPE.
WELL, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, FOR THE TWO DAYS THAT YOU'RE THERE, YOU GO FROM CLASS TO CLASS TO CLASS OR CONFERENCE IN THERE.
THERE'S NOT A SINGLE CLASS THAT I'VE EVER GONE TO THAT I DIDN'T LEARN SOMETHING.
THERE WAS SOME CLASS THAT I WAS DUMBFOUNDED WHEN I SAT IN THERE AND ATTENDED THE CLASS AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHETHER IT BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU WERE REALLY BIG ON, ON THE POLICE TRAINING.
WHAT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I HAVE NOT, I'M NOT SAYING, I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT AN IMPORTANT TRAINING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CANNOT COMPARE POLICE TRAINING MY EMPLOYEES THAT I NEED TO TRAIN COMPARED TO A COUNCIL THAT IS, UH, IS VOTED IN FOR THREE YEAR TERMS. I HAVE AN EXPIRATION IN MAY.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE I'M GETTING, I'M GETTING REELECTED.
HE IS THE PERSON RIGHT NOW IN THAT SEAT.
HE CAN NEEDS TO GET THE INFORMATION SO HE CAN PASS IT ON TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO WHY ARE WE, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T GO.
I'M SAYING WHY IS THE CITY PAYING FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TRAVEL IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
THAT IS THE ONLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EMPLOYEES.
SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO GO.
IS THERE EDUCATION? ABSOLUTELY.
I ALSO DID SOME RESEARCH AND ASKED SOME PEOPLE TO GO, AND THE RESEARCH I FOUND IS ALL OF THE MATERIAL IS POSTED DIRECTLY AFTER THE CONFERENCE.
SO ALL OF THE SLIDES, EVERYTHING YOU CAN LEARN IS PRESENTED AND THE INFORMATION IS THERE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, OH, THE LAST COUNCIL AND THE LAST PERSON DID ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS, AND I'M SHOWING THAT WE CAN CUT THAT AWAY IF YOU WANNA GO, GO, NOT TELLING YOU NOT TO GO, I WOULD LOVE TO FOR US TO SPONSOR IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE A, A MEMBER TO BE ABLE TO GO.
BUT WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR IT? IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHY IS IT, WHY ARE WE BUDGETING FOR IT WHEN I COULD SPEND 25 GRAND ON SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? I CAN, I CAN HIRE SOMEONE ELSE OR I CAN TRAIN ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES TO BE BETTER SERVED HERE IN, IN, IN, IN THE, THE CITY.
SO THE QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER IT'S VALID TO GO TO TML.
THAT IS NOT WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHY ARE WE SAYING THAT THE CITY SHOULD PAY FOR, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS TO GO, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT THAT THAT'S THE QUESTION.
BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN WATCH A SLIDE MM-HMM
BUT WHAT YOU CAN'T WATCH ON THAT SLIDE, WHAT'S THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AT THE END OF THE PROGRAM THAT PEOPLE ASK ARE AT THE END WHEN IT'S OVER WITH.
AND YOU CAN GO UP THERE AND TALK TO A TML ATTORNEY ONE ON ONE AND ASK THEM QUESTIONS.
AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT, THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE CARD OR WHATEVER.
JUST LIKE YOU CAN, I CAN CALL 'EM FROM HOME.
DON'T GET ME WRONG AND DONE THAT.
BUT YOU GET TO, YOU CAN TALK TO THE PRESENTERS AND GET CLARIFICATION ON THINGS.
IT'S ACTUALLY, BUT IT'S PRETTY GOOD FOR A GUY THAT HASS TO STUDY YEP.
AND DIDN'T WANNA STUDY HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
AND, AND, AND I'M NOT ONCE AGAIN, STILL NOT DISCOUNTING THE FACT THAT IT IS A HUGE VALUE TO BE THERE BECAUSE I DO GET VALUE IN A LOT OF THE CONFERENCES I GO TO.
BUT I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THESE CONFERENCES.
LIKE NONE OF US ARE REQUIRED TO BE CERTIFIED BY TML.
UM, YOU KNOW, NONE OF US NEED TO, TO, TO, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO BE ON THIS COUNCIL.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BALANCING A BUDGET, WE LOOK AT PRIORITIES.
WELL, IT'S GREAT TO GO ON VACATION AND I, MY, I WOULD WISH ALL MY CLIENTS COULD GO ON VACATION, BUT THERE'S SOME YEARS THAT YOUR HOT WATER HEATER GOES OUT OR YOUR, YOUR AC GOES OUT AND YOU JUST DON'T GET TO GO.
SO WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THAT SAME PHILOSOPHY HERE IN THE CITY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LET'S CUT PUBLIC WORKS, OR LET'S CUT THIS, LET'S CUT THAT.
BUT WE WANT THE CITY TO PAY FOR OUR TRAINING.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT INVALUABLE.
I'M JUST SAYING PAY FOR IT YOURSELF IF YOU WANT TO GO, IF YOU DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE IT OUT.
AND I, I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT I WANT DO.
BUT WE'RE, I'M ALSO ONE OF SEVEN.
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I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN JUSTIFY ASKING ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO CUT, CUT, CUT.WE DIDN'T, WE HAVEN'T ONCE TALKED ABOUT OUR OWN BUDGET.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY EXPENSES REALLY PUT OUT ON ME OTHER THAN THE CHARTER.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T THINK COUNCIL NEEDS TO GO AND GET TRAINED, CUT IT OUT.
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M OPENING IT UP.
I THINK IT'S GOOD AND IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK COUNCIL PEOPLE NEED TO GO TO THAT TRAINING SO THEY CAN CONSIDER SO THE PEOPLE THAT ELECT THEM MM-HMM
BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD TRAINING TOOL.
BUT IF YOU THINK IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY OR WE CAN'T AFFORD IT, CUT IT OUT.
I, I'VE BEEN A TAX PAYING CITIZEN OF THIS CITY LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT I HAVEN'T HAD ANY OBJECTION OR I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO SOMEBODY GOING AND GETTING AN EDUCATION, UH, TO BE A BETTER LEADER THERE.
I I, THERE, I NEVER COME AWAY THAT I DON'T PICK SOMETHING UP OR I DON'T MEET SOMEBODY THAT I CAN CALL AT TML AND ASK A QUESTION IF I GOT A QUESTION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE POINT I'M GETTING AT.
BUT THE POINT IS, YOU THINK IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY, TAKE IT OUT, I THINK, BUT $10,000, TAKE IT OUT AND WELL THAT, AND THAT'S 10,000 MORE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, WASTE ON SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CAN, ONCE AGAIN, IF WE'RE TRULY ALL VESTED IN THIS, LIKE WE GOTTA CUT WHAT'S BENEFICIAL.
I'D MUCH RATHER CUT MY SPENDING.
LIKE I, I DON'T WANT MINE AT ALL.
SO THERE, WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND $3,200 ON MY TRAVEL AND CONFERENCE.
UM, I WILL GO FIND THE INFORMATION WHERE I NEED TO FIND IT.
BUT THE, MY THING IS, IS I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP TO, IF WE NEED TO CUT SOMETHING, THAT'S THE EASIEST THING TO CUT AND I GOT IT.
IF WE MISS ONE YEAR, IS THAT GONNA BE THAT DETRIMENT TO OUR CITY? IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE $25,000 LEFT OVER IS ALL I'M GETTING AT.
THERE'S YOUR 13,000 RIGHT THERE.
A TML CONFERENCE COMING UP THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ALREADY SCHEDULED TO.
IS THAT COMING OUTTA THIS YEAR'S BUDGET OR NEXT? WELL, WE GO INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
SO YOU CAN'T CUT IT OUT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY PAID.
SO WHAT WAS ALREADY PAID? I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, I, I'M, I CAN'T CUT IT OUT MYSELF.
SO ONCE AGAIN, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I CANNOT JUST CUT THIS OUT.
THIS HAS TO BE VOTED ON ALL BY ALL OF US.
I TOTALLY, THIS IS MY OPINION AND WHAT I BELIEVE.
IF Y'ALL WANNA KEEP IT IN, I'M ONE OF FIVE OF YOU GUYS.
RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T GET TO CONTROL THAT.
I'M SAYING THAT THAT IS MY REASON WHY I WOULD LIKE TO CUT IT.
IF Y'ALL THINK IT'S VALUABLE, JUST LIKE I THINK IT'S INVALUABLE, THEN WE'LL KEEP IT IN.
RIGHT? BUT I WANTED TO AT LEAST SAY THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE CAN GET AN EASY WAY TO RIGHT OFF THE TOP, WE HAVE SOME, I I THINK BEFORE YOU DISCOUNT THE VALUE OF THIS, MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO MAKE ONE.
I'M AND EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF.
IF YOU DON'T WANT THE CITY TO PAY FOR IT, THEN TRAVIS, YOU MAY PAY FOR IT AND GO TO IT AND LEARN WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THAT I'M NOT SAYING COUNCIL MEMBER SCH I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE TRAINING IS NOT IMPORTANT.
I AM NOT SAYING ONCE THAT THIS IS INVALUABLE TRAINING.
I AM SAYING IT IS AN ABSOLUTE, IT IT IS A FANTASTIC TRAINING FROM WHAT I'VE EX ASKED FROM PEOPLE.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD TAKE TAX PAYING DOLLARS FOR US SEVEN INDIVIDUALS TO GO STAY IN A HOTEL AND PAY FOR OUR TRAVEL TO GET THERE.
IF YOU AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WANNA REPRESENT DICKINSON, TEXAS.
GO TO TMLI AM SAYING I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT.
THAT WE PAY FOR IT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THAT IS THE ONLY THING I'M STATING.
I AM, I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THE VALUE OF, I THOUGHT SENIOR LEADER CONFERENCES IN THE MARINE CORPS WERE RIDICULOUS.
I LEARNED MORE FROM THEM AT THE BAR THAN I LEARNED EVER
IT WAS EXTREMELY VALUABLE TO ACTUALLY GO RATHER THAN JUST BEING ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE ZOOM CALLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS WHEN WE'RE IN A BUDGET CRUNCH AND WE'RE ASKING OUR STAFF TO CUT AND CUT AND CUT, I THINK IT'S WHO OF US TO SAY, SHOULDN'T WE CUT SOME OF OURS IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.
AND IF WE NEED TO, IF YOU WANT TO GO, GO, BUT I'M SAYING FOOT, THE BILL IS ALL I'M ASKING.
WHEN'S THE CUTOFF DATE? THEY JUST SENT AN EMAIL.
EMAIL THAT SAYS THERE'S A CUTOFF DATE.
I KNOW THE, THE TML CONFERENCES IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
ALAN, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT CUTOFF DATE? IT JUST CAME OUT.
IS THAT THE CUTOFF DATE OR IS THAT WHEN THE, THE CUTOFF OF BEING ABLE TO ASK FOR REFUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OH, OKAY.
YOU CANNOT, YOU'RE LOCKED IN AFTER SEPTEMBER 9TH, GUYS.
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I READI'LL JUST SAY AS OF RIGHT NOW, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION.
AND YOUR POSITION ON THE MATTER.
I I MEAN I, AT MINIMUM WE NEED TO REDUCE IT.
RIGHT? I'M A I'M A COUNTER TO IT, BUT I I MEAN JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BUDGET DOESN'T MEAN IT ALL HAS TO BE SPENT EITHER.
BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING THREE.
I THINK THERE'S THREE OF US THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR IT.
I THINK IT'S CONVERSATION THAT CAN BE HAD.
WHAT OTHER, UH, ITEMS DOES EVERYONE HAVE IN THEIR, THEIR, UM, ITEM LIST? SO ARE WE ELIMINATING THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE AND TRAVEL? YES, THAT IS, YEAH.
YOU CAN JUST WIPE THAT BAD BOY OUT.
IF I DO GO, I WILL BE PAYING MY OWN WAY.
UH, RAILROAD EXPENDITURES RIGHT DOWN THE, RIGHT DOWN THE PAGE FROM THERE.
UM, PREVIOUS YEARS YOU BUDGETED 24,000 AND SPENT 37.
WE BUDGETED THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
AND THEN WE SPENT 49, 35 AND 19% MORE THAN THE ACTUAL BUDGET AMOUNT THIS YEAR.
UH, WE'RE BUDGETING 24,000 680 62.
AND I'M REALLY JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SUFFICIENT, UH, FOR WHATEVER EXPENDITURES THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.
IF WE'RE PLANNING TO GO $10,000 MORE OVER BUDGET ON THAT ITEM, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT TODAY.
DID THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DO $12,000? I THINK THEY HAVE 20.
UH, MR. DEETS, YOU GOT THE ANSWER TO THAT.
20 ARE TALKING ABOUT A FEW DOLLARS HERE AND A FEW DOLLARS THERE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, THANKS TO MR. CAREY.
WERE AWARE THAT THE CITY'S IN A, IN A SEVERE BUDGET CRUNCH AND WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE, WE WEREN'T AWARE YOU WERE TRYING TO RAISE AN ADDITIONAL HALF A MILLION.
IS THAT CORRECT? NOW? YES, SIR.
THAT LOCAL MATCH UNDERSTAND TO ACCOUNT FOR, CORRECT.
BUT YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WELL, WELL, WE HAVE AN ACCOUNTED FOR, FOR, I THINK I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT, THAT WE DON'T NEED TO RAISE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS BASED OFF OF THIS BUDGET.
THAT'S HOW MUCH WE, WE WERE BEHIND THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR.
THAT HAS TO BE PAID THIS YEAR.
IT'S IN THE BUDGET NOW, CORRECT? YES SIR.
THAT HALF A MILLION'S ALREADY IN THIS BUDGET, IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR WITHIN THIS BUDGET.
BECAUSE I WAS, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN PROJECTS AND THIS, THIS ALLUDES THAT THERE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT, UH, A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS AND THE DMV BUDGET THAT I GUESS TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE CITY BUDGET.
BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO-WAY RADIOS FOR 2 45, AN AIR COMPRESSOR FOR 10,000, CARDIAC MONITORS FOR 50,000.
UH, A CITY FIREWALL UPGRADE FOR 70,000 DEPOT REPAIRS, 20,000 AS YOU ALLUDED TO.
UH, 50,000 TOWARD A METAL BUILDING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VEHICLES THIS IS.
THIS IS POLICE VEHICLES QUESTION.
THERE WOULD BE, CAN YOU GET BY WITH ONE LESS VEHICLE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT 90,000 BACK, BACK IN THE BUDGET.
AND THEN ON THE WORKSHEET, I'M NOT SURE, UH, SARAH, YOU GOT, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND JUST IN CASE RE RESERVE.
IS THAT STILL IN THERE? IT IS STILL IN THERE.
SOMETHING, SOMETHING ALWAYS HAPPENS.
SO, SO THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT COULD YES.
THEORETICALLY SPIN THAT AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THEY COULD GET BY WITH THIS YEAR WITH ONE LESS POLICE VEHICLE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S 190,000 RIGHT THERE.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT UP IN THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WAS THIS, UH, FIXED BUS ROUTE SERVICE, WHICH IS, UH, DEGRADED INTO ESSENTIALLY AN UBER SERVICE THAT'S, UH, IT'S 49,000.
AND THE BOARD DIDN'T WANT TO, THE BOARD WANTED TO CONTINUE TO FUND THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE CITY STANDS ON THAT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT GOING AWAY SINCE THE SERVICES SO SEVERELY REDUCED.
UM, I MEAN, AND YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS HERE.
WE'VE EVEN GOT $1,500 IN THERE FOR PIZZA BEFORE OUR MEETINGS.
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I WOULD BE GLAD TO DONATE THAT TO, TO, UH, THE GENERAL FUND.UH, WELL, SO THAT'S, WELL, I GUESS THE ONE THING THOUGH IS, IS LIKE THE DMD BUDGET THAT'S GETTING TRANSFERRED OVER, THAT'S GONNA BE IRRELEVANT.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IS, WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT DMD TRANSFER OVER, IF, IF THAT DOES IT, WE STILL AREN'T, WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR, OUR BUDGET.
SO, WELL, EVEN IF WE GOT RID OF THE ONE POLICE CAR THAT WE'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR IN THE CITY GENERAL FUND, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME FUND BALANCE.
I'M SAYING THAT WE COULD SEND YOU THE MONEY, BUT YOU ONLY BUY, BUT WE'RE RESTRICTED ON CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN USE THAT MONEY FOR IS THE PROBLEM.
SO, I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ARE, I DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE RESTRICTED ON.
WELL WE CAN FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.
SO WE WILL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT WE HAVE FUNDS THAT WE'RE GONNA TRANSFER OVER TO THE CITY.
IT'S UP TO YOU ABOUT HOW MANY POLICE CARS YOU BUY, BUT ABSOLUTELY.
MY, MY QUESTION IS, AS A CITIZEN, AS A DMD BOARD MEMBER IS, CAN YOU GET BY WITH ONE LESS FOR THIS YEAR? YEP.
AND THEN, UH, THAT WOULD FREE UP 90,000.
THE OTHER IS, IS THAT WE WERE, UH, I GUESS THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN RESERVE, WE WERE PLANNING ON TRANSFERRING OVER ANYWAY OR NOT.
THAT, THAT WILL STAY IN YOUR BUDGET UNDER PROJECTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TRANSFER THAT OVER FOR GENERAL FUND USE AS WELL.
SO THERE'S 190, UM, $1,500 FOR MEALS BEFORE
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, WE KNOW THAT IT THAT EXISTS THAT WE COULD DO THAT.
UM, WELL, I MEAN, YOU GUYS WERE ARGUING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 1300 BUCKS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THO THAT'S NOT REALLY A HEAVY HITTER.
SO I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE HEAVY HITTERS NEED TO EXIST.
UM, BUT EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE EVER, UM, IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE RUNNING AN ORGANIZATION, YOU BETTER KNOW WHERE EVERY PENNY IS GOING.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 1 CENT, $10, 10, A THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, I'M NOT WASTING MONEY ON ANYTHING AND I DON'T, SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE.
AND IF IT TAKES ALL NIGHT, WE WILL.
UM, AND I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE, THE POLICE, UH, VEHICLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE DMD FUNDS THAT ARE TRANSFERRED OVER CAN ONLY BE UTILIZED FOR VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS. AND IF, IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WELL, IT MEANS THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THEY DON'T NEED NO PERMISSION FROM US TO DO IT.
WELL, THEY CAN START THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THEY WANT TO.
YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
I, I THOUGHT HE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE MONEY CAN BE USED FOR.
I'M SAYING WHEN THEY WELL, WHEN THEY TRANSFER IT.
SO FROM WHAT I, MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS EMS EQUIPMENT, RIGHT? IT IT, IT CAN'T BE TO SALARIES.
THAT CAN BE OR IT CAN GO TO SALARIES.
WHENEVER IT'S TRANSFERRED OVER INTO THE, INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
UH, WE CAN USE IT FOR WHATEVER WE WANT.
NO, WE CAN'T, I MEAN WE, WE LIKE IT TO BE ITEMIZED BASICALLY.
SO WE KNOW WHERE THE FUNDS ARE GOING.
WE'RE BUYING VEHICLES, WE'RE BUYING THIS, THAT, UH, SO THERE'S NO DISCREPANCIES YEAH.
WHAT WE'RE UTILIZING IT FOR, BUT, WELL, YEAH.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE OTHER ISSUES IF THERE'S ANY FLUFF OR ANY PROBLEMS WITHOUT OUR BUDGET.
I DON'T CARE HOW BIG OR SMALL IT STILL NEEDS TO GET TAKEN CARE OF.
WELL, PART OF, PART OF THE DEAL, IT DOESN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT YEP.
BUT THE AIR COMPRESSOR AT CENTRAL FIRE STATION, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIX IT FOR A YEAR, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
THEY KEEP BUYING PARTS AND THEY KEEP TRYING TO BUY COMPRESSORS AND THEY KEEP TRYING TO MAKE IT FIT AND IT AIN'T WORKING.
THAT'S WHY THEY, I GUESS THEY WENT TO Y'ALL FOR $10,000 TO GIVE 'EM A NEW COMPRESSOR DOWN THERE.
'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THE ONE THAT GOT RUNNING, RUNNING FOR OVER A YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT KEEPS ALL THE TIRES AND EVERY, ALL THE AIR BRAKES AND EVERYTHING ON THE, ALL THE AIR, AIR OPERATED EQUIPMENT.
KEEP 'EM UP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT THERE AND WAIT ON THE, UH, AIR PRESSURE TO COME UP SO YOU CAN LEAVE THE BUILDING ON THE AIR BRAKES PLUS WHATEVER ELSE IT GETS USED FOR.
AND MY POINT IS, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFY UP OR DOWN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ON THIS LIST.
I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT'S THERE.
AND IN A BUDGET CRUNCH YEAR MM-HMM
IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, RE-BUDGET ON OUR SIDE THAT WOULD HELP THE, UH, THE CITY EFFORT TO UH, YOU KNOW, HELP EASE THE PAIN ON THAT 500,000, UH, I THINK THE BOARD WOULD PROBABLY ENTERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST, YOU CAN CUT THE POLICE VEHICLE OUT TO THREE.
SO IF YOU'RE BUYING FOUR A YEAR AND YOU CUT IT DOWN TO THREE NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE
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GONNA BUY FIVE.'CAUSE YOU, YOU CUT YOUR THROAT.
AND WE'VE DONE IT OVER AND OVER TO BALANCE A BUDGET.
WE CUT A POLICE VEHICLE OR CUT 'EM ALL OUT.
THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE HAD TO BUY TWICE AS MANY.
BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD TOO MANY TIMES TO CUT OUR THROAT AGAIN FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST YEAR.
WHAT ARE WE DOING ON TWO-WAY RADIOS? IS THAT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR IS THAT FOR ALL OF US? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I'M ASKING THE CHIEF BACK THERE.
CAN WE GET SOMETHING? I CAN PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
I KEEP HEARING ABOUT TWO RADIO.
IS IT FOR EVERYBODY? LET'S GO TO THE, LET'S GO TO THE POLICE BUDGET.
LET GO AHEAD AND JUST FOR Y'ALL MOVE ON THAT WAY.
FROM MIKE, IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OUR RADIOS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ARE END OF LIFE.
UH, THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY'RE STAYING WORKING NOW IS 'CAUSE THE COMPANY STILL HAS SPARE PARTS.
SO, SO THESE ARE ONLY FOR Y'ALL.
NOT EMS NOT FIRE, NOT JUST Y'ALL.
SO, AND THEN ALSO, I GUESS TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS SOME OF THESE ARE INITIAL INVESTMENTS AND LIKE THOSE TWO-WAY RADIOS, WE'RE NEVER GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO BUY A WHOLE NOTHER SET NEXT YEAR.
SO, UH, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE GOOD TO SOUND LIKE A COMPUTER WHEN YOU BUY IT TODAY, IT EXPIRED THREE MONTHS AGO BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT.
THESE RADIOS ARE MOVING SO FAST.
YOU BUY 'EM TODAY AND THEY WERE EXPIRED TWO MONTHS AGO.
THAT'S MOSTLY TRUE, BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE RADIOS OF POLICE ARE USING EXPIRED 10 YEARS AGO.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE THAT FAR BEHIND.
SO, SO ANOTHER THING TOO THAT, I MEAN, WHILE I'M UP HERE, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DMD BUDGET, BUT WE, WE INCREASED THE DEMOLITION SERVICES BY 25,000 TO FROM 50 TO 75,000.
YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE REALLOCATED.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST APPROVING A BUDGET BASED ON WHAT OUR LINE ITEMS ARE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY HAS REQUESTED IN THE PAST FOR, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER, WELL, 25,000 THAT, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO TO DEMOLITION.
UH, WE ALSO DOUBLED THE RIGHT OF WAY MOWING FROM 20,000 TO 40,000.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING IF YOU'RE IN A BUDGET CRUNCH HERE AND YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER 20,000 THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT.
UH, BUT WE ALSO, UH, TOOK OUR, UH, WHAT WAS REPORTED IN OUR WORKSHEETS AS A, AS A SURPLUS, WHICH MEANS WE HADN'T, UH, ENCUMBERED ANY OF IT IN A BUDGET.
AND, UH, IT WAS LIKE $254,000 AND SOME CHANGE AND, UH, ALLOCATED THAT TOWARD STREETS.
BUT, UH, THE QUESTION WAS, IS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS TRANSFER TO STREET MAINTENANCE AND IT ALREADY HAD, UH, 250,000 IN THERE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT $464,000 TO STREETS.
BUT WE PUT THE STIPULATION ON THAT, THAT THAT WAS FOR A STREET REBUILD PROGRAM NOT FIXING POTHOLES.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE MOTION WAS CORRECT.
AND WE AGREED TO LEAVE THAT IN A LINE ITEM IN DMDS BUDGET UNTIL WE CAN DISCUSS IT AS A COUNCIL, AS HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED.
SO THERE'S NO DISCREPANCIES OF IT GOING INTO THE STREET MAINTENANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT IN THE DMDS UNTIL WE CAN AGREE UPON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
WHICH ONE? THE TWO 50 THAT WAS THERE, THE INITIAL TWO 50 IS STILL A STREET MAINTENANCE FUND.
THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT IS A, IS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM ON THE DMD BUDGET.
IT'S WHERE IT'S IS THAT POTHOLES AND SALARIES.
UH, SO SIR ABSO ABSOLUTELY IT IS.
SO WE, WE, WE, WE HAD THIS LONG DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, I WAS THERE.
IT IS DEDICATED TO STREET MAINTENANCE AND DRAINAGE, THE LABOR COSTS THAT COMES WITH THE STREET MAINTENANCE AND, AND THE DITCH CLEARING ABSOLUTELY COMES WITH THE PROJECT.
SO THE SALARIES ALLOCATED TO DO THAT WORK GO WITH STREET AND MAINTENANCE.
I HAVE TALKED TO MULTIPLE CITIES THAT HAVE A STREET AND MAINTENANCE FUND AND TAX, AND THAT'S THE EXACT SAME THING THEY'RE USING IT FOR AND THEY'RE WITHIN THE CODE.
SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IS IT IS, IT IS, UM, IT IS, IT'S TOUGH JUST WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT'S ILLEGAL TO DO THOSE THINGS, WHEN IT IS, IT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE LEGAL TO DO THOSE THINGS.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, WE NEED TO BE IN ALIGNMENT
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DMD IN THE CITY BECAUSE THE MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED WAS THAT, UH, THE $250,000 IN ACCOUNT, 41 8 9 4 1 4 1 0 0 0.AND THE ADDITIONAL 210,000 I BELIEVE WOULD BE TOWARD BUILDING STREETS.
THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED BY DMB.
NOW, IF IT NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT, THEN WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT.
THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU BE TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE CITY WANTS.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHEN YOU SAY BUILDING STREETS, WHO'S GOING TO BUILD THEM? WELL, THE, THE PREFERRED WAY WOULD BE TO, TO CONTRACT THAT OUT.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO PAY OUR WORKERS TO BUILD IT.
WE WANT TO, WE WANNA CONTRACT IT.
I MEAN IF YOU WANNA GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION, THE, THE, UH, THE DEAL WITH, WITH TRYING TO, UH, STAFF YOUR OWN AND BUILD YOUR OWN STREETS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN SKILL LEVEL.
YOU HAVE TO, UH, HIRE AND MAINTAIN MM-HMM
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO DO IT.
AND IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UH, PAST STREET PROGRAMS WITH THE CITY, THE ONES THAT WERE MOST SUCCESSFUL IS YOU HIRED A, AN ENGINEERING COMPANY.
I THINK WE USED IDS, YOU KNOW, BACK, UH, BEFORE HARVEY.
AND, UH, IDS WOULD, UH, WOULD, WOULD ENG DO ALL THE SPECS, ENGINEER THE, THE STREETS, WE WERE DOING ALL CONCRETE THEN, AND THEN, UH, PREPARE THE BID PACKAGE AND GO OUT FOR BID, COME BACK FOR BID, BE AWARDED AND UH, YOU HAD A CONSTRUCTION START DATE AND THAT RAN VERY SMOOTH.
WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU DO A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA ALLOT $2 MILLION TO BUILD STREETS, UM, IT'S APPROVED THOSE PARTICULAR STREETS AND THEIR NAMED BASED ON PRIORITY IN THE BUDGET.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS ON OCTOBER 1ST, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO WAIT, YOU HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF YOUR CASH FLOW COMING IN ON THE, ON THE SALES TAX.
SO BY THE TIME YOU GET SOME OF THE ENGINEERING DONE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET YOUR FIRST QUARTER BACK IN AND YOU'RE USUALLY ROLLING WITH THE WHOLE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, AROUND APRIL, MAY.
SO, BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING ALL SIX OR SEVEN STREETS AT ONE TIME.
THEY'RE PHASED IN, BUT THEY'RE ALL SCHEDULED TO COMPLETE BY THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR.
SO, SO, UH, AND THAT'S FINE IF WE WANNA CONTRACT IT OUT.
YOU HAVE THEN YOU HAVE, IT'S NOT GONNA PAY FOR SALARIES IF WE'RE CONTRACTING IT OUT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE DOING, SO STREET MAINTENANCE FILLING POTHOLES IS MAINTENANCE.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I DON'T WANT THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE BEING, THAT CHASE OR ANYBODY'S RUNNING AN ILLEGAL OPERATION HERE BECAUSE IT IS PER THE, THE LAW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NO, THAT'S SO, AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU, WE NEED TO HAVE A ACTUAL PROGRAM TO GET RID OF ASPHALT IN THIS CITY.
WELL COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO COUNCIL TO, TO SET, UM, THIS STRATEGY ON HOW YOU'RE GONNA, UM, APPROACH IT AND THEN SET GOALS FOR, FOR CITY MANAGEMENT, UH, TO IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
BUT WE HAD, WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, OF COURSE, OIL WAS $120 A BARREL AND CONCRETE WAS CHEAP.
SO WE WENT WITH ALL CONCRETE STREETS.
NOW CONCRETE'S OUTTA SIGHT 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S BUILDING AND OIL'S DOWN, SO IT'S CHEAPER TO BLACK TOP 'EM THAN IT IS TO CONCRETE THEM.
EVEN THOUGH CONCRETE'S THE PREFERRED WAY.
I CAN GET 50 YEARS OUT OF A ROAD MAYBE WHERE I'M ONLY GONNA GET 10 OUT OF A, A BLACKTOP ROAD, BUT I CAN GET A GOOD 20 OR 30 YEARS OUT OF A CONCRETE STREET.
SO IT COSTS A LITTLE MORE, YOU GET MORE FOR YOUR BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.
I MEAN YOU CAN, YOU CAN RECONSTRUCT, YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE TOO.
YOU CAN RECONSTRUCT AN ASPHALT STREET THAT'LL LAST A GOOD 25 YEARS.
SO, UM, SPRUCE FROM DEETS TO, UH, FIVE SEVENTEEN'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
DDMD IS DOING, HOW MANY, UM, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THEY PUTTING TOWARDS DEMOLITION? DID YOU, DID YOU SAY? I I YEAH, IT WAS 75.
WE HAD 50,000 IN THERE AND WE INCREASED IT BY 25.
COULD I GET, UH, TO 75? WHY DO WE INCREASE OURS TO ONE 50 ON TOP OF THAT? THEY TYPICALLY PAY FOR HALF.
BUT SO WE HAVE BUDGETED $150,000.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA ONLY PLAN TO SPEND 75 NO, WE'RE PLANNING FOR ONE 50, THEY'RE ONLY PAYING FOR 75.
SO THERE IS PLANNED PROJECTS ENOUGH FOR 150,000.
'CAUSE THAT NUMBER WAS ASTRONOMICALLY.
I BELIEVE MR. MOORE ASKED FOR EVEN MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR.
SO IF WE HAVE PLANNED, IF, IF IF IT WAS ASSUMPTIONS, THEN I'M LIKE, LET'S BRING IT DOWN.
BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEN THAT'S WHATEVER.
NO, WE HAVE UH, BUT YOU, YOU TRIGGERED THAT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DEMO, CORRECT? NO, WE HAVE, UH, PLANS TO DEFINITELY UTILIZE THE DEMOLITION SERVICES.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURES THAT WE WANT TO REDEVELOP.
THEY'RE DANGEROUS IN OUR CITY.
THAT'S PART OF THIS CLEANUP PLAN THAT WE HAVE, SO AND SO IF WE NEED TO CUT IT, WE CAN.
I I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT IN IF POSSIBLE.
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SO, UH, MR. DIETZ, I ACTUALLY AM, UH, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR, UH, WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING FROM Y'ALL'S BOARD.BUT WHAT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THIS AND THEN WE'LL GO ASK FOR YOUR HELP AFTER, WELL, AFTER WE GET OUR STUFF SITUATED.
WELL KEEP IN MIND I'M ONE VOTE.
I'M JUST, I'M MAINLY NO, NO, I KNOW.
I'M MAINLY TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENED AT OUR LAST MEETING AND, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COME AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU GUYS, SOME IDEAS OUT THERE.
WHAT OTHER, UH, ITEMS WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT Y'ALL HAVE GONE OVER? I KNOW WE ALL GOT THE EMAIL.
CAN WE GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION? YEAH.
MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE BUDGETED FOR, UH, HOME, UH, RAILROAD DEPOT EXPENDITURES
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE BUDGETED 24,680 AND SOME CHANGE.
IS THAT REALLY GOING TO BE ENOUGH? UH, WE'VE GONE OVER BY PLENTY THE PREVIOUS BUDGET PERIODS.
MR. MAGNO DIDN'T THE EDC CUT THEM A $20,000 CHECK? SO THE DEMO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY DID.
I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THE DEPOT SITTING IN DEFENSE COUNSEL, I THINK THE DEPOT'S SITTING IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW THAT IT WILL TAKE WHATEVER WE WANT TO PUT INTO IT AND IT CAN WITHSTAND WHATEVER WE DON'T WANT TO PUT INTO IT BECAUSE IT WOULD FORCE GRANTS AND OTHER AVAILABLE MEANS.
IF YOU WANT TO CUT IT, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE IT, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
I'M SURE IF WE INCREASED IT, IT WOULD MAKE SEVERAL PEOPLE HAPPY.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I OBSERVED FOR THE LAST YEAR THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS GOING OVER THERE WAS JUST DONE FOR A RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO STRATEGICALLY.
I THINK THERE'S SOME STRATEGY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE'RE, I JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION, UM, WITH MR. LANGFORD YESTERDAY.
IF THEY'RE REBUILDING SOME OF THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE DOING NOW, BUT THEY'RE PUTTING IT BACK ON EXISTING DIRT WHERE IT HAS STANDING WATER, WE'RE GONNA BE IN A ROT SITUATION AGAIN IN A COUPLE YEARS OR LESS.
SO, QUITE FRANKLY, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME STRATEGY AND, AND I THINK IT STARTS WITH AN AER WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE AGREEMENT, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE YET, WHICH WILL DICTATE WHAT NEEDS TO OCCUR AND SET SOME BOUNDARIES.
AND I KNOW JUST CIRCLED AROUND YOUR QUESTION, BUT I THINK THAT NUMBER CAN BE WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE IT TO BE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
IS YOUR WATER STILL STANDING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, ROTTING IT OUT FROM THE BOTTOM OF IT? YES SIR.
THEY HAVEN'T DRAINED THE WATER OUT OUT FROM UNDERNEATH E YET.
THAT THERE'S, I WAS TOLD THERE'S A PUMP OVER THERE.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY THAT OFF.
I GOT PUT BACK ON THE EDC BOARD TO BE TOLD, WE STILL OWE THE STATE MONEY, WHICH WE ALREADY PAID OFF ONCE.
NOW WE'VE PAID IT OFF TWICE AND WE STILL HAVE WATER STAND AROUND IT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T DIG THE SHELL OUT FROM AROUND THE BASE SO THE WATER CAN DRAIN.
THERE'S FROM THE BOTTOM UP FOR 30 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF TO, TO MY POINT, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A STRATEGY BEFORE WE DUMP A LOT OF MONEY IN IT.
SO I WOULD DISCOURAGE US FROM INCREASING THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A STRATEGY IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET.
BUT, UM, I KNOW ED THREW A BUNCH OF MONEY AT IT AND IT JUST SEEMED, UH, KIND OF WEIRD TO ME THAT A TENANT WOULD COME TO THE CITY AND ASK FOR MONEY TO PUT IN A CITY OWNED BUILDING, WHICH WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING DISCUSSION ON THE NEXT, UH, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL.
BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT THE STRATEGY OF THE COUNCIL TO THE USE OF THAT BUILDING IS.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN USED AS IT'S BEING USED IN MY OPINION.
IT'S BEEN MISUSED FOR, FOR A LONG TIME AND MISMANAGED.
AND WE NEED TO GET BACK TO WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO? WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT BUILDING? HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PRESERVE IT AND GET TO A STRATEGY TO REPAIR IT AND, AND MAINTAIN IT? AND, AND I'M AGAIN, I I THINK IT'S A GOOD BUILDING, BUT WE JUST, I HAVEN'T SPENT ANY TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH YOU GUYS STRATEGIZING ON HOW WE WANNA DO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
BUT IT PROBABLY SHOULD START WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
SO HOW DO WE GET ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO GET US A COUPLE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT WE CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION? WHO'S USING THAT BUILDING HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND KEITH DICKINSON BE KEITH DICKINSON BEAUTIFUL.
OUR CONCERN IS THAT IT'S A LIABILITY ISSUE.
SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE THERE TOURING THAT BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA FALL THROUGH, HURT THEMSELVES.
THE MONEY HAS YOU SUED, I I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S PEOPLE MEETING THERE FREQUENTLY THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, NOT NECESSARILY SANCTIONED CLUBS OR GROUPS AS WELL.
SO THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE EDC MONEY.
THIS IS JUST MONEY THAT WE HAD ALREADY SET ASIDE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO THIS IS PAYING JUST LIKE WATER BILL I, ELECTRICITY BILL, THE BILL, ELECTRICITY BILL, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT ALREADY.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY JUST IF YOU, IF Y'ALL GIMME 30 MORE SECONDS, I'M NOT AGAINST THE DEPOT.
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IT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S USE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WE, WHAT YOU GUYS AS A BOARD, AS A COUNCIL HAD INTENDED.AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, CREATE A SERVICE AGREEMENT AND SET SOME GUARDRAILS.
AND IF WE WANT TO GENERATE REVENUE, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO IT AND HOW ARE WE GONNA MAINTAIN AND SUSTAIN THAT BUILDING? I AGREE WITH THAT, MATT.
THAT BUILDING HELD WATER FOR YEARS AND I KNOW SEVERAL YEARS BACK THERE WAS SUPPOSEDLY A DRAIN THEY FOUND THAT HAD GOT COVERED UP.
SO IT LAST EYE CHECKED A FEW YEARS AGO.
IT WAS COMPLETELY BONE DRY UNDER THERE.
WELL, MR. LANGFORD TOLD ME YESTERDAY HE CLIMBED UNDERNEATH IT AND IT'S HOLDING QUITE A BIT OF WATER, HAS SOME SUMP PUMPS UNDERNEATH THERE THAT ARE NOT WORKING.
HE TOLD ME THAT THE DIRT AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEEN PUT UP NEXT TO THE BUILDING TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY, HE'S HOLDING ALL THE WATER.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME THAT, THAT I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT IS, IS THAT IT, I I, I'LL BE HONEST, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU IT'S UNDER MY, UM, UNDER MY DEPARTMENTS AND I'VE GIVEN IT VERY LITTLE ATTENTION BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THE BUDGET, COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT WORKS, AND THEN HAVE WITHIN A MONTH OR TWO A A SIT DOWN AND HAVE AN ACTUAL INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THAT BUILDING.
CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT SPECIAL PROJECTS ADMIN, CITY ADMIN IS? IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
IT'S RIGHT ABOVE THAT LINE ITEM.
IT'S, IT'S DAC DICKINSON, YOUTH ACTION COUNSEL.
THE HR RECRUITMENT, THE $10,000, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PAST TWO YEARS WE'VE ONLY SPENT 1600 OR $1,100.
IS THAT YEAR TO DATE CURRENT 24TH? YES, SIR.
I'D PROBABLY REDUCE IT TO $5,000, $2,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE CAN, WE CAN LOWER THAT ALSO.
UM, STAYING IN ADMINISTRATION, THE FACILITIES EMPLOYEE COUNT, WE HAVE THREE.
ARE WE, ARE ALL THOSE POSITIONS FILLED OR WE HAVE ONE POSTED.
WE HAVE ONE VACANCY FOR THE CUSTODIAN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ALL ARE WE ABLE TO GET BY WITHOUT FILLING THAT POSITION? RIGHT NOW? I HAVE, I ASSUME THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN EXTRA $32,000 PLUS OR MINUS AN EXPENDITURE THAT YOU COULD SAVE THAT IF YOU COULD HOLD, IF YOU COULD NOT FILL IT.
IT IS INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE PAYROLL FOR, UM, ADMIN.
SO IF WE DID NOT FILL THAT POSITION, IT WOULD BE A, A CUSHION.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, ROLES THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE BUT WE ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS? JUST THAT, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE ACTIVELY GOING IN, ARE THERE SPOTS THERE THAT WE'RE NOT ACTIVELY TRYING TO GO AFTER TO FILL, UM, THAT ARE ALSO BUDGETED IN? 'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF THAT'S THE BUFFER THAT'S THERE.
AND WE KNOW EVERY MONTH THAT WE PASS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THEM.
BUT WHAT, WHO ARE WE ACTIVELY, HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE WE ACTIVELY TRYING TO FILL RIGHT NOW? OR DO WE KNOW THAT? I DO NOT KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
YEAH, I HAVE, I, I KNOW MY DEPARTMENTS, I HAVE ONE FOR SURE.
AN EMSI HAVE TWO AT PUBLIC WORKS.
AND I HAVE ONE IN FACILITIES THAT Y'ALL ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING.
AND THEN, AND THOSE ARE BUDGETED ALREADY.
AND THEN I HAVE TWO, I BELIEVE IN THE LIBRARY.
IS THAT RIGHT? TWO IN THE LIBRARY? CORRECT.
THEY'RE NOT, THOSE ARE NOT, WE'RE
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NOT ACTIVELY SEARCHING THOSE.RIGHT? WE'RE NOT ACTIVELY, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE PAYROLL IN THE BUDGET, THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET AND THEY'RE POSITIONS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO FILL.
I WOULD BE NAIVE IF I WAS OPTIMISTIC AND SAID WE ARE GONNA BE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT STAFFING THROUGHOUT THIS BUDGET YEAR.
NO, I THINK WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE VACANCY LAPSE MONEY.
SO YOU CAN FACTOR THAT IN AS A BIT OF A BUDGET, UM, BUFFER.
BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT I DON'T ALSO WANT TO GET TOO COMFORTABLE WITH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I KNOW THAT DMD UH, IS, CAN POTENTIALLY BE A HUGE HELP TO US.
UM, THE ONE ISSUE IS, IS WHAT HAPPENS IF SALES TAX PLUMMETS EVEN MORE THAN IT HAS ALREADY STARTED TO, TO GO DOWN, WE HIT A RECESSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY RELYING ON THEM.
UM, UNTIL WE CAN BUILD UP A HEALTHIER SALES TAX BASE.
SO I MAY BE OUTTA LINE WHEN I SAY THIS AND TAKEN AWAY FROM MS. CLARK'S, UH, ROLE, BUT I THINK ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO BE, UM, REALLY, UM, EXPLAINING HERE IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO MEET, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING QUARTERLY AND WE WILL HAVE QUARTER, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND WE CAN WATCH THESE TRENDS AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, WHEREAS THE LAST, UM, COUPLE BUDGET YEARS THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY HAPPENING.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE NEED TO.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE HR, UM, RECRUITMENT, UM, LIGHT ITEM THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, REDUCING A FEW MINUTES AGO.
I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THAT IS PART OF OUR, THAT MAY BE PART OF THE COMMUNICATION STUFF WITH RESPECT TO, IF YOU WANT TO DO, UM, CITY MANAGER UPDATES OR, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY GET OUR BRAND OUT, BUT IF YOU PLAN ON HAVING CITY MANAGER TALKING, UH, POINTS OR ANY OF THAT, THAT'S GONNA COST MONEY.
AND I KNOW MRS. MIRANDA WON'T BE HAPPY WITH THIS, BUT ALREADY CUT OUT ALL THE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS, EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE WILL NOT BE DOING ALL ANY OF THESE EVENTS, PUTTING 'EM BACK INTO, UH, UH, MR. MAGGIANO, PLEASE.
UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THOSE WERE.
UH, SO, SO IT WAS 13, 14,000 I BELIEVE.
SO THE, THE FUNDED OR THE BUDGETED MORALE EVENTS THAT WERE, THAT WAS GIVEN TO EACH DEPARTMENT AND ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING.
SO WHETHER YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA HAVE A, A BARBECUE OR WHATEVER, WE'VE DECIDED THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO CUT THOSE AND THEN PERHAPS WE CAN STILL HAVE THEM, BUT THEY COULD BE, UH, THEY COULD BE DONATED MONEY OR, UM, WE COULD, WE, WE COULD BRAINSTORM ON HOW WE CAN FUND THOSE.
OR FOR INSTANCE, WE COULD MAKE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A SALARY, UH, ELAPSE.
BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, IF YOU HAVE TWO OFFICER, I'M SORRY, TWO EMPLOYEES THAT ARE NOT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY ELSE IS WORKING A LITTLE HARDER TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE AND TWO EMPLOYEES IF THEY WERE TRULY NEEDED.
SO THE EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING HARDER.
UM, AND, AND DO NEED THAT, THOSE MORALE EVENTS.
UM, BUT WE HAVE CUT IT FROM THE BUDGET THAT WAS A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER EMPLOYEE PER DEPARTMENT.
WE WIPED IT OUT COMPLETELY TO, UH, GET RID OF THE FLUFF, BASICALLY.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND CERTAIN FOLKS THAT DO NOT WANT US PUTTING IT BACK INTO OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO I HEARD YOU VERY LOUD AND CLEAR.
PERHAPS THE OPTICS WAS WORSE THAN ANYTHING.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE HURTING AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE CUTTING ON YOUR BUDGET, WHY DID YOU JUST SPEND $1,200 ON EMPLOYEE RELATIONS? RIGHT.
I MEAN, UH, I, I WOULD, I, I COULD PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT FOR WHY, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE OPTICS ARE POOR.
WE NEED TO LISTEN TO IT AND WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
WELL, ANY OTHER LINE ITEMS FROM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, MAYBE OUTTA LINE, BUT JUMPING INTO EDC? OKAY.
ON THE EDC, YOU HAVE A $20,000 CONTINGENCY FOR LEGAL, AND I THINK IT WAS THE LAST COUNCIL, I MEAN, THE LAST EDC MEETING, I THINK THEY BUDGETED $20,000 FOR LEGAL ALREADY.
SO, UM, IS THAT REALLY A CONTINGENCY? UM, OR IS IT SPENT, IS THAT THE, BECAUSE OF THE, THE, UM, LAWSUIT FROM BRANCH? I THINK IT'S BRANCH, YES, SIR.
AND THAT LAWSUIT HAS BOTH THE CITY AND THE EDC AS SEPARATE DEFENDANTS.
IS THAT WHY THEY ADDED THAT MONEY TO THEIR BUDGET? CORRECT.
I, I REMEMBER BEING IN THE MEETING, I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHY.
I JUST, SO NO, IT WAS, UM, IT WAS STATED IN THE MEETING AND WE'RE SHOWING IT AS A CONTINGENCY, BUT IS IT REALLY A CONTINGENCY OR IS IT ALREADY SPENT? OKAY.
HAVE WE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY FOR THAT LAWSUIT AND SHOULD THERE BE SOME OTHER CONTINGENCY? WE HAVE INCURRED SOME ATTORNEY FEE DEALS, BUT NOT THE FULL AMOUNT.
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UH, WE HAVE, BUT IT'S SHOWN US A, A CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'LL END UP BEING.YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO TRY TO PREDICT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MUCH A LAWSUIT'S GONNA COST TO DEFEND.
I THINK MY QUESTION JUST COMES FROM THIS.
THE EDC JUST TOOK THE ACTION THAT WAS AFTER WE LISTED THE CONTINGENCY.
SO IF THE, IF THE CONTINGENCY IS ALREADY THERE AND IT'S ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR, SHOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY MONEY JUST TO HAVE ON HAND, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO SPEND IT? I MEAN, IF THE CONTINGENCY'S NECESSARY AS A LINE ITEM TO PUT IN, AND WE'VE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IT, IT'S ALREADY SPENT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AM I MAKING SENSE? UM, I'M, I'M NOT COMPLETELY FOLLOWING THAT.
I'M, BUT THE, THE, THE EDCS ACTION TO INCREASE, UH, THEIR BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR LEGAL FEES, UH, RELATES JUST TO THEIR POSSIBILITY OF SPENDING MONEY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES UNRELATED WITH THE CITY.
SO IT'S THE SAME LAWSUIT THOUGH, CORRECT? UH, YES SIR.
IT IS THE SAME PLAINTIFF THEY SUED PLAINTIFF.
THEY, THEY SUED THE CITY FIRST AND THEN ADDED THE EDC ON, UH, I THINK ONCE THEY SAW THAT THE CITY HAD SOME PRETTY STOUT DEFENSES.
UH, AND THE EDC DOESN'T HAVE THOSE SAME DEFENSES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, MR. DEET? YOU GOT A QUESTION? WELL, I HAD, I HAD A QUICK STATEMENT.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT, OR THE, THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT AT OUR LAST DMD MEETING, WE DID RECOGNIZE, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THAT THERE'S A, A TREND, A A DOWNWARD TREND IN SALES TAX.
AND SO WE, UH, OUR NEW NEW CHAIRMAN, AMY, BROUGHT UP THAT, UH, THE $4 MILLION THAT WE HA HAVE IN THERE IS OUR BUDGET AMOUNT MAY BE A LITTLE OPTIMISTIC.
THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE, UH, A PROJECTED, UH, ONE POINT, UH, $9 MILLION, UH, UH, FUND BALANCE.
SO WE THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH OF A BUFFER THERE.
THERE MAY BE SOME POTENTIAL THERE AS WELL TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT OKAY.
TO HELP OUT YOU GUYS LATER TOO.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT TOO.
UH, SO LOOK, I, UH, YOU GUYS ELIMINATED $9,900 LITERALLY, UH, FOR EMPLOYEE MORALE GET TOGETHERS OR, UM, EXPENSES.
BUT I SEE ANOTHER EXPENSE FOR 11,400 FOR EMPLOYEE SPECIAL EVENTS IS, COULD YOU NOT MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT SAME THING? I MEAN, COULD WE ASSUME THAT, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THAT YOU'VE CAPTURED THAT TWICE.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THOUSAND 400 EMPLOYEE SPECIAL EVENTS IS THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
UM, THE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS IS EACH DEPARTMENT HAS A BUCKET THAT THEY GET TO SPEND ON THEIR, THEIR EMPLOYEES AS THEY SEE FIT.
UM, BIRTHDAYS, LUNCH, WHATEVER.
SO THIS IS NOT CUTTING THE BUDGET FOR CHRISTMAS OR THANKSGIVING.
UH, ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS CAKE EMPLOYEE PARTIES.
WHICH, WHICH ONE ARE YOU IN? ADMINISTRATION.
IT'S, UH, RIGHT ABOVE, UH, SPECIAL PROJECT CITY ADMINISTRATIONS.
THERE WAS 2000 THERE AND THEN 11 FOUR FOR EMPLOYEE SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS SOMEHOW, IF, IF WE COULD ASSUME IT WAS CAPTURED TWICE AND BEING ABLE TO DO IT, BUT THEY'RE FOR DIFFERENT ITEMS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WE CAN CANCEL CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING.
Y'ALL JUST TELL ME TO DO IT AND I'LL CANCEL.
THAT WAS TOWNSEND THAT SAID IT.
SO CAN WE GET A DOLLAR, MEL? YEAH.
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YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I OBVIOUSLY STRUCK A BIT OF A CORD WITH THE, THE CONFERENCE STUFF.UM, HOW MUCH ARE WE CAME, DO WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR THAT, FOR THOSE IN THE NEXT FOLLOWING YEAR? SO THE OTHER THING IS, WHAT WAS THE MEETING? SO THE MEETING STUFF, THAT'S THE, IS THAT LIKE THE FOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF TOO? THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
SO YOU SAID WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE CAN DO THAT CAN MAKE IT TO WHERE, ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S SOMETHING TAKEN AWAY? UM, IF NOT, THEN I GOT IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING AWAY, TAKEN AWAY FUN STUFF.
PROBABLY SHOULD TAKE AWAY SOME OTHERS.
SO CAN, CAN WE TAKE AWAY WHATEVER LINE ITEM YOU GUYS PLAN TO USE TO DO A CITY MANAGER SEARCH?
I MEAN, I'M HALFWAY JOKING AND I'M ALSO SOMEWHAT SERIOUS.
WHAT LINE ITEM WOULD THAT BE? THAT WAS A PART OF THE HR RECRUITMENT.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE REGISTRATION FEE AND THE AVERAGE DOLLAR COST FOR ONE PERSON TO GO TO TML NINE FIVE DIVIDED BY THREE? IT'S $465 IS THE REGISTRATION.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE HOTELS OR ANYTHING.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'RE ALL LIKE WAIT LISTED RIGHT NOW.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S $8,000 BUDGETED FOR TML.
SO THAT LEAVES, IF THERE'S THREE PEOPLE EXPECTING TO GO, THAT'S $2,600 A PERSON THAT WAY EXCEEDS WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY BUDGET FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO GO.
SO WE, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME ROOM IN THERE, IF YOU GUYS AGREE.
$2,600 A PERSON FOR THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING ON THE HOTEL COST, OBVIOUSLY.
MARK, WHAT DOES YOU BEN, WHAT DOES THAT USUALLY COST FOR HOTEL? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT EVER COST.
I, THEY, WE JUST TOLD 'EM WE WANTED TO GO AND THEY TOOK CARE OF EVERYTHING.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
THIS TIME IT'S IN OMNI, IN FORT WORTH.
WHICH EXPENSIVE? TWO 20 A NIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE, WE DIDN'T STAY AT THE OMNI.
I THINK THEY GOT A GOVERNMENT RATE THOUGH, DON'T THEY? MM-HMM
SOMETIMES THOSE ARE MORE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY ARE, LIKE I SAY, LAST YEAR WAS IN HOUSTON, WE JUST DROVE UP THERE AND DROVE BACK.
ALL WE HAVE IS PARKING GARAGE AND MAYBE SOME GAS.
I MEAN, IF THIS WILL HELP, WE'LL CARPOOL ON THE WAY THERE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S, IF IT'S THAT MUCH HEARTBURN YOU GOT TILL THE NINTH, CANCEL MY TICKET.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
I MEAN, LET'S JUST DO A REALISTIC NUMBER.
I MEAN, IF THREE PEOPLE ARE GOING, I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S BUDGET FOR THREE PEOPLE AND YES, SIR.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I GO THE, THE MAIN ONE.
I'D SAY CUT IT DOWN TO $5,000.
THEN THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THAT INCLUDES THE MAYOR COUNCIL EVENTS TOO.
AND THAT'S ANY OTHER TRAINING, LIKE THE EDC TRAINING? IT DIDN'T.
THAT, THAT GL ACCOUNT INCLUDES ALL OF THOSE TRAININGS WE ARE JUST SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT, WHICH WAS BUDGETED FOR TML.
SO THE ENTIRE, UH, TRAVEL FOR COUNCIL IS 11,765.
I MIGHT GET EASY HONEY ON YOU.
YOUR WIFE JUST CALLED, SHE SAYS YOU STAYING GOINGT STAY IN HOTEL ROOMS. ANYWAY.
I SPENT A WEEK AT A AND HIM, I STAY HOME MY OWN BET.
SO JUST WANTED TO SAID I, I DON'T PLAN ON GOING THIS YEAR 'CAUSE I CAN'T 'CAUSE OF CONFLICT OF OTHER THINGS.
UM, BUT WHEN I DO GO, UM, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT I'LL BE THERE FOR A COUPLE WEEKS, BUT THAT'S 'CAUSE I'LL BE, I HAVE CLIENTS UP THERE SO I CAN, I CAN MAKE IT A, A BUSINESS TRIP FOR ME.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IF THERE IS A WAY TO, UH, FOR US TO GIVE OUR CITY A BIT OF A, UM, A BIT OF A BUFFER.
LIKE PEOPLE SAY, OH, IT'S JUST A, A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WELL, $10,000 IS QUITE A BIT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR BUDGET BEING ONLY $1,200 IN THE POSITIVE.
UM, THAT'S 10 TIMES WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH 1200 BUCKS.
SO, UM, MAKE IT EASY TO CANCEL MINE IN THE MORNING.
SARAH IS 84 41, UH, OUR MAYOR COUNCIL THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HOST NEXT YEAR.
IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THAT'S GETTING PAID FOR BY, UH, SPONSORS.
I HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE SPONSORS.
SOME OF OUR ENGINEERING FIRMS AND LINEBARGER THAT'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT FUND THAT FOR US.
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ALL RIGHT.WELL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUDGET OR ARE WE, UH, CLOSE TO, UH, WE CAN ALL ACCEPT THAT THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT.
I GOT A QUESTION ON THE STREET MAINTENANCE SALES TAX FUND.
SO STREETS AND DRAINAGE, IS THAT WHAT IT'S YEAH, MAINTENANCE STREET.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE FARM WE GOT TOWARD THE VERY BEGINNING STREET DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN I GO DOWN TO RENTAL EQUIPMENT, WE WENT FROM $67,000 DOWN TO 46 AND THEN WE, UH, COVERT MAINTENANCE.
I MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE WRONG COLUMN.
WE'RE STILL AT, WE'RE STILL AT 3,250.
STILL AT ONE 50 D LANDFILL DISPOSAL.
Y'ALL CUT IT OUT, CORRECT? THAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND.
HUH? IT'S TRANSFERRED TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CUTS THAT Y'ALL ARE LIKE, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT, THE ITEMS THAT Y ARE LIKE, HEY, THESE CANNOT BE IN HERE ANYMORE AND WHICH MADE US INCOMPLIANT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT COLUMN.
SO WE WENT FROM RENTAL EQUIPMENT FROM 67,000 IN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL DOWN TO NOTHING OR 46, LEMME SEE.
AM I READING THOSE RIGHT FROM THE INITIAL ONE THAT WE WERE GIVEN? WE'VE GOT 46, 6 40 80 IN THERE NOW LOOKING AT THE ONE Y'ALL GAVE US TONIGHT.
CAN I CAN EXPLAIN ONE PART OF THAT.
THE, THE NOTHING, THE ZERO IN THE RENTAL EQUIPMENT IS WE DIDN'T, IT WAS BUDGETED FOR YET.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SKILLSET TO UTILIZE IT.
AND SO WE, INSTEAD OF PULLING THE TRIGGER AND WASTING MONEY, WE DID NOT RENT ANY EQUIPMENT AND TRIED TO EXPERIMENT ON OUR STREETS.
WELL WE WERE TOLD ABBA ONE THE STREET SUPERINTENDENTS ONE NIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S JUST PART OF YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK YOU PRETTY WELL ANSWERED IT.
ANOTHER PLACE YOU CAN CUT IS THE MULES THEY PUT IN THERE EVERY NIGHT FOR Y'ALL TO EAT ON BEFORE YOU GO TO A COUNCIL MEETING.
PROBABLY GETTING HALF OF IT'S PROBABLY GETTING THROWN AWAY ANYWAY.
THEY EAT ON IT FOR THREE DAYS.
THEY CAN EAT ON IT FOR THREE DAYS.
I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH CUTTING THE, UH, THE THE MEALS.
BUT I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE, THAT MONEY IS GOING BACK INTO OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE COMING UP HERE FOR LIKE 15 YEARS OR SO.
AND THEY NEVER FED US UP UNTIL TWO, THE LAST TWO YEARS.
SO IF YOU'RE BUYING FOR ME, YOU'RE WASTING MONEY.
SO THE QUE THE ONE THING I DO, Y'ALL UH, Y'ALL ALLOW ALL EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HAVING TO STAY LATE TO COME EAT AS WELL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO WE'RE PROVIDING DINNER FOR PEOPLE.
THAT THAT'S THE THAT WAS POINT THE POINT OF IT, RIGHT? YES SIR.
I, I'M JUST ASSUMING 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE WHEN Y'ALL ACTED THAT EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYEES AND MEMBERS OF WHATEVER BODY OF THE MEETING IS GONNA BE HERE.
THAT'S 'CAUSE I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE FEEDING THE REST OF THE STAFF.
'CAUSE WE'RE MAKING THEM STAY HERE 'CAUSE WE LIKE TO RUN OUR MOUTHS.
SO, UM, DIDN'T RUN YOUR MOUTH SO LONG THEY COULD GO HOME.
I STILL HAVE NOT LEARNED THAT LESSON YET.
I THINK THE LAST MEETING I MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO, I INCLUDE IN YOUR FTES AN ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL.
IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE EMPLOYEE ACCOUNT, BUT UM, IT'S STILL SHOWING YOU HAVE A PLAN REVIEWER THERE.
I WOULD, I EXPECT A ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
I I I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND DISCUSSED IT BEING A GOOD IDEA.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S REFLECTED, UH, BY TITLE IN THE BUDGET.
THERE'S A SPACE FOR IT JUST GOT A A DASH BITE SO I DON'T WANT THE BUDGET TO BE A HINDRANCE FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO DO IT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN BUDGET.
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UNDERSTOOD.IN THE STREET MAINTENANCE, UH, DEPARTMENT, WE DON'T SHOW THE LEASING OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT ANYMORE.
IS THAT ALL PAID FOR NOW? NO, IT MOVED TO THE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND BECAUSE THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THAT IS HEAVY EQUIPMENT USED FOR STREET MAINTENANCE.
SO PRIOR, PREVIOUSLY THE GENERAL FUND PAID FOR THAT, BUT IT GOT MOVED TO STREET MAINTENANCE.
SO WE'RE MOVING THE EXPENSES AROUND WAS DECIDED THOSE ARE HEAVY EQUIPMENT USED FOR STREET MAINTENANCE AND IT SHOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND.
DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE SIDE MOWER? NO.
NO, THIS IS JUST THE, UH, IT'S A TRACTOR GRAD ALL UM, THE SWEEPER.
AND REMIND ME OF THE OTHER ONE.
HOW MUCH MORE DO WE OWE ON THAT GROUP? THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE DROPPING OFF IN, IN FY 26.
UM, SO WE HAVE ONE MORE YEAR LEFT FOR TWO AND THEN TWO MORE YEARS LEFT FOR THE OTHER TWO.
AND THE MARSH MASTER, HOW MUCH DO WE OWE ON THAT THING? THAT'S PAID FOR? IT'S PAID FOR.
CAN WE PUT IT FOR SALE SIGN ON? YEAH.
ACTUALLY I WANNA POINT, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT YOUR BUFFER.
MAYOR THAT THO THOSE ARE GONNA FIND NEW HOMES.
WHAT ABOUT LEGALLY? ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, IN, WE'RE IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE WE WERE KIND OF UM, WHAT ABOUT FORCED MOWING? IS THAT, I MEAN IS THAT AN ASSUMPTION? THE 40,000 INCREASE FROM, UM, 11,000 AND I THINK, UH, THAT'S YEAH.
PROJECTED IS 11,000 RIGHT NOW.
UM, IS, IS, IS THAT A, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WE'RE GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT? 'CAUSE I MEAN THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 30 GRAND THAT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND IT FOR THAT, THEN I DON'T WANT IT WASTED, YOU KNOW, IN THAT BUDGET LINE ITEM.
SO IS THAT AN ASSU? SO THE QUESTION I GUESS IS, IS IT ASSUMPTION OR IS THAT A LEGITIMATE NUMBER BASED OFF OF PROJECTION Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT? YEAH, I I WOULD SAY IT'S HARD TO PUT AN ACTUAL NUMBER ON THAT.
WE WERE ASSUMING WE, WE CAN DO AS MUCH FORCE MOWING, YOU KNOW, UH, AS POSSIBLE REALLY AS BUDGET ALLOWS.
UH, IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL FORCE MOWING, WE DO LIEN THE PROPERTY SO THAT MONEY DOES COME BACK TO THE CITY AT SOME POINT.
WELL AND IT WAS JUST 'CAUSE OF THE BIG JUMP IS WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT IT.
AND THEN THE SAME THING FOR THE ONE 50.
I KNOW SARAH'S LIKE, HEY Y'ALL ARE DEFINITELY, WHAT TYPE OF TIMELINE ARE YOU LOOKING AT TO BE SOME OF THESE TO START GETTING DESTROYED SO THAT WHEN WE SEE THE BUDGET UPDATES, UH, WE CAN KIND OF EXPECT TO SEE THESE NUMBERS START TO CREEP UP TO THE ONE 50.
'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, VERY LARGE NUMBER.
IF IT'S AN ASSUMPTION AND IT'S A VERY, UH, LOFTY ASSUMPTION, THEN YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? YES.
UM, SO IF WE CAN'T COMPLETE $150,000 WORTH OF WORK, LET'S, LET'S LET'S SPLIT IT UP OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE IT, LIKE WE'RE GONNA START SEEING THIS HAPPEN SOON, THEN LET'S, LET'S ROCK AND ROLL.
WE HAVE A, A NEW PROGRAM GOING THROUGH MUNICIPAL COURT INSTEAD OF BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.
UH, SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA TAKE A PRETTY GOOD HIT INITIALLY.
'CAUSE I HAVE ABOUT SIX PROPERTIES THAT ARE READY FOR DEMOLITION AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO I WOULD EXPECT PROBABLY 30 TO 50,000, UH, YOU KNOW, BY THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THAT.
UH, SO, UH, THEN STARTING OFF NEXT YEAR WE PLAN TO TAKE TWO TO THREE UH, HOMES PER MONTH.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY THEN WE WILL, YOU KNOW, AMEND THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I'D RATHER PULL FROM THAT BUDGET THAN HAVING TO ADD MORE TO IT.
THAT'S WHAT I DON'T EVER WANT TO HAVE TO AMEND A BUDGET FOR.
HAVE WE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN COLLECTING ON OUR LIENS THAT WE HAVE FILED, UH, SOME LIENS? YES SIR.
I WOULD, I I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO GET YOU AN ACTUAL NUMBER ON THAT.
BUT THE PERCENTAGE IS, I WOULD SAY PLUS OR MINUS 40% PLUS YOU ONLY GET THAT ONE IT SALES.
WE HAVE A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF HOMEOWNERS WHO, UH, MAYBE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN PERFORMING THE DEMO THEMSELVES.
UH, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD DO IT.
BUT THEY END UP PAYING THE DEMO, UH, WITHIN THE ONE YEAR BECAUSE WE, WE ALLOW ONE YEAR GRACE PERIOD WHERE IT DOES NOT ACCRUE INTEREST.
UH, SO WE'VE SEEN A PRETTY POSITIVE TURNOUT IN THAT.
YEAH, THOSE WERE MY JUST TWO QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TONIGHT.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT 150 NUMBER WAS A, A VERY LOFTY NUMBER WHEN WE SEE WHAT THE PREVIOUS WAS, BUT RIGHT.
I GUESS THEY'VE CHANGED FROM UNI FROM BUILDING STANDARDS TO THE MUNICIPALITY WILL HELP EXPEDITE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE THE FIRST YEAR I GOT HERE IN 23, THE BUDGET WAS 200 AND I BELIEVE WE HIT ABOUT ONE 50, UH, THAT YEAR, THE FIRST YEAR.
AND THE FORCE MOWING ACTUALLY I I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SHORT FOR THEM.
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NOT A LOT OF MONEY.I MEAN IT'S REAL EASY TO HIT 60 ON THOSE NUMBERS.
AND I ASKED THEM TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER FROM PREVIOUS, I KNOW MISS THE, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATOR, HE CUT THAT BIG TIME AND UH, WE ASKED HIM NOT TO BASICALLY, UH, WITH WE'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING FORWARD TO CLEAN UP OUR CITY AND UH, AND I'M GOING TO RELY ON THAT FORCE MOWING AND THESE DEMOS TO DO THAT.
SO ON THE, ON THE MORNING, LET ME ASK THIS.
TAKE DIET ROW Y'ALL, WE WERE TALKING, I GUESS IN OUR MEETING WEDNESDAY.
I KNOW ONE THEY MOWED FROM THE FENCE TO THE SIDEWALK BUT FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE STREET, THEY LEFT IT, THEY LEFT IT HIGH.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? THE CITIZEN OR THE CITY? IS THAT PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? MOWING, MOWING DEETS ROAD OR WHAT? BECAUSE I MEAN IT WAS KIND OF SILLY.
YOU MOWED, YOU MOWED FROM THE SIDEWALK TO YOUR FENCE, BUT YOU LEFT ALL THE FROM THE SIDEWALK YEAH.
I THINK YOU MOW THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE.
YOU COULD HAVE MADE ONE MORE SWIPE I THINK IN ORDINANCE, UH, IF IT'S AN IMPROVED PROPERTY, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO MOW THE RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF THE IMPROVEMENT.
IF IT'S AN UNIMPROVED PROPERTY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
SO WE REVIS THE, THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
WE REVISED THE HIGH WEEDS AND GRASS ORDINANCE EARLIER THIS YEAR.
IT DID GO THROUGH COUNCIL AND GOT PASSED.
AND IT DOES REQUIRE PROPERTY OWNERS TO UH, MAINTAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
ADDITIONALLY, IT REQUIRES, UH, OWNERS OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO ALSO MAINTAIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY AND MAINTAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TECHNICALLY RESPONSIBLE TO MOW THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE MIGHT TAKE A RIDE DOWN DEEP ROAD TOMORROW.
AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU MAPLE AND GO TOWARD THE FREEWAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK FOR UNDERSTOOD.
I I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE NEED TO START KIND OF COLLECTING A DATABASE OF SOME OF THOSE DITCHES THAT ARE TOO DEEP AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING THAT AS WELL AND TRY TO HELP THEM OUT.
SOME, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE USE CITY SERVICES TO DO IT, BUT WHO'S ONE OF CALIFORNIA UNDERSTOOD.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC WITH SOME, NOT NECESSARILY ON DEETS ROAD, BUT THOSE, BUT THERE'S SOME, YOU'RE KILLING ME ON CALIFORNIA STREET.
I COULD USE RIDE LAWNMOWER, WOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE FOR 45 MINUTES WITH THE, THE POINT I GUESS IS THAT I, I, FROM MY POSITION, I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT TO BE A PROBLEM.
I'M GONNA WORK WITH EDWARD AND I'M GONNA WORK WITH, UM, WITH MR. VENABLE AND WITH MR. MOORE AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF SOLUTION TO HELP THE CITIZENS THAT ARE INCAPABLE OF CUTTING THOSE DITCHES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH A, WITH A REGULAR MOWER AND THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OF USING A WEED EATER.
SO, WELL THE PROBLEM, AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, WE DIG DOWN, WE TAKE A SCOOP AND WE COME STRAIGHT UP.
CAN'T NOBODY MOW THAT WITH YES SIR.
WITH LAWNMOWER WE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT BEING A PROBLEM AND WE'RE GONNA WORK ON IT.
BUT IF Y'ALL GO AHEAD AND GET THAT CONCRETED ON CALIFORNIA STREET AND PUT THEM DITCHES IN THERE, LIKE IT WAS, I CAN USE A RIDING LAWNMOWER INSTEAD OF A SELF-PROPEL AND I CUT ABOUT HOUR AND A HALF OFF MY DAY OVER THERE.
WE'RE STILL SEEKING GRANT MONEY FOR THAT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UM, ONE, ONE THING THIS MIGHT BE FOR, UH, YOU UH, MR. MAGNO, UM YES SIR.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF POSSIBLE, IF WE CAN GET AN INVENTORY OF ALL OF YOUR EQUIPMENT THAT WE ARE NOT USING THAT WE CAN SELL.
SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE PIECES OF AND ITEMS, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, IF WE CAN GET UM, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, ONE, SOME OF THAT STUFF'S EXPENSIVE AND THAT'S ON MY SHORT LIST OF THINGS TO DO AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH THIS BUDGET E EXACTLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, I JUST WANTED TO ABSOLUTELY KIND OF PUT THAT IN ALSO THE COUNCIL'S HEAD THAT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE MORE MONEY TO THEN BE ABLE TO PUT SOME MONEY BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
'CAUSE OUR INVESTMENT POLICY SAYS 25% AND WE'RE, I'M NOT STOPPING UNTIL WE'RE THERE.
SO AND I GUESS THAT'S FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS.
IF THEY HAVE EXTRA VEHICLES THEY'RE NOT USING OR EQUIPMENT THEY'RE NOT USING, UH, EMERGENCY TRAILERS THAT THEY'RE NOT USING, YOU KNOW.
AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
SO THAT IS PART OF WHAT DOING.
SO JUST WANTED TO JUST THROW THAT REMINDER IN THERE THAT THERE WILL BE POTENTIAL, UH, INFLOWS OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.
MR. CAREY HAS MENTIONED THIS TO ME BEFORE.
I JUST, I'LL BE HONEST, I THINK IT WAS, UH, IT'S NOT THAT TIME IS NOT OF THE ESSENCE 'CAUSE IT CERTAINLY IS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT TO FOCUS ON THE BUDGET AND THEN GET TO THAT AFTER THE BUDGET SO THAT WE WEREN'T NO, THIS IS JUST, I DON'T WANNA SCREW WITH THE BUDGET WITH, WITH SOME REVENUE THAT IS NOT.
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THIS THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE 25%, HOW MUCH ARE WE CARRYING OVER THIS YEAR FOR THE DISASTER CONTINGENCY FUND? THE FULL 2% THAT'S ALLOWED THE WHAT? THE FULL 2% THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO TRANSFER.SO THAT'S WHY I KNOW LAST TIME SOMEBODY HAD A QUESTION ON THE CITYWIDE SUMMARY WHY THERE'S SUCH A LARGE DIFFERENCE AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THAT DISASTER CONTINGENCY FUND WHOLE BY TRANSFERRING AROUND $900,000 INTO IT.
WE'RE UM, EXPECTING THE FUNDING FROM BARREL TO HIT, WHICH RIGHT NOW THAT FUND IS, HAS A NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE BECAUSE WE PAID FOR ALL OF THE BARREL EXPENSES.
SO WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE EXPECTING FROM FEMA AND THE TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THAT WILL MAKE THAT FUND WHOLE AND ALMOST TWO TO 7% THAT IT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE IT AT.
AND THAT'S IN WHICH ONE? THE CITYWIDE SERVICES? YES, IT IS FUND FOUR.
MUST BE IN THE, IS IT IN THIS COPY OR IN THE ONE YOU GAVE US LAST WEEK? IT'S RIGHT HERE IN BOTH OF THEM, SIR.
IT'S UH, RIGHT BEFORE, UH, THE STREET MAINTENANCE SALES TAX FUND.
IT'S ON THE BACK PAGE OF A PAGE.
THE STREET MAINTENANCE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND.
SPECIAL REVENUE FUND BEFORE STARTS FROM THE BOTTOM.
IT MUST BE REPORT ONE MORE STREET.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU SAID WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE RE REPAYMENT FROM THE BARREL? CORRECT.
IT IS WITH THE CRC SO, UM, IT SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE GETTING THAT FUNDING AT ANY TIME.
AND THAT IS JUST FOR DEBRIS REMOVAL.
WE ALSO HAVE A GRANT FOR, UM, SOME OF THE BUILDING REPAIRS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT ARE ALSO IN THE CRC SO THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING PAYMENT ON.
UM, BUT THOSE ALSO HAVE COSTS THAT CAME ALONG WITH THEM.
SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO RECOUP ANY FUND BALANCE OR ANYTHING FROM THOSE GRANTS.
SO HOW MUCH ARE WE EXPECTING FROM BERYL? EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHT NINETY EIGHT.
AND WAS THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OR NO? 75.
75 DMD GRACIOUSLY FUNDED THE OTHER 25% THIS FISCAL YEAR.
ANY OTHER UH, ITEMS WE NEED TO GO OVER? DISCUSS, POKE, PROD, ANYTHING FROM STAFF THAT ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH? WELL, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS ANYONE YEAH, YOU CUT OUT THE CHRISTMAS, PRESENT CHRISTMAS LUNCH AND THANKSGIVING LUNCH.
THEY OUGHT TO BE TICKLED TO DEATH.
I WANNA JUST SAY THANK YOU AGAIN TO STAFF FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
IT'S BEEN REAL, BUT IT HADN'T BEEN REAL FUN.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, IF IT HAS NOT OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
ARE WE MEETING AT SIX O'CLOCK BEFORE THE NEXT ONE? OR FIVE 30? ARE WE DOING A BUDGET? WHAT IS IT? SIX? IT'S SIX.
UM, AS OF WITH THE CHANGES WE MADE TONIGHT, WE CUT AN ADDITIONAL 11,200.
SO WE HAVE A 12,600 $468 SURPLUS.
YOU SAID OTHER THAN THAT, SO, UH, MAYOR AND, AND COUNCIL, UM, IN REGARDS TO NEXT WEEK, YEAH WE DO HAVE ON THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDA, UH, A FIRST READING OF THE BUDGET ORDINANCE.
NOW WE CERTAINLY EXPECT THAT BUDGET, UH, TO REFLECT ALL THE CHANGES DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
UH, SO REALLY QUESTION COMES TO MIND.
WE DO HAVE THAT SPECIAL MEETING EXCEPT FOR SIX O'CLOCK.
UH, WILL YOU GUYS NEED THAT SPECIAL MEETING? BECAUSE IF THERE ARE NO MORE CHANGES TO BE MADE, THEN WE CAN GO, WE CAN JUST PASS ON THAT, HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING AT SEVEN, HAVE ANY DISCUSSION YOU NEED ON THE, THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AND THEN TAKE A VOTE IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE A VOTE.
IF THERE ARE MORE CHANGES TO BE DONE AT THE SIX O'CLOCK SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE THAT, THEN
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WE COULDN'T PASS IT.YEAH, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE TIME TO HAVE THAT READY FOR ACTION AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO WE JUST HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT SEVEN, AT THE SEVEN O'CLOCK MEETING, MAKE AMENDMENTS WITH THE MOTION TO APPROVE AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
IF, IF, IF COUNCIL, IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, IF THE COUNCIL IS, IS, IF THE COUNCIL FEELS LIKE IT'S READY TO DO THAT.
WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, RUSH YOU GUYS, ANY OF YOU GUYS, UM, GOOD WITH NOT DOING THE SPECIAL MEETING OR THE WORKSHOP AND JUST GOING RIGHT IN DOING THE WORKSHOP IN THE MEETING SINCE WE'RE JUST PROBABLY NOT DISCUSSION ON THE BUDGET IN THE REGULAR MEETING WOULD BE SUFF WOULD SUFFICE.
WE ARE VERY CLOSE AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T SEE US THERE ANY BIG CRAZY DISCUSSION.