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GO AHEAD AND CALL

[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]

THIS, UH, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.

AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET A CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM.

MAYOR TRAVIS MELO, PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNNY SIMPSON.

PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER SEAN HOLT.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MARK TOWNSEND.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SCHRADER.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BILL SCHICK HERE.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN EDMONDS.

HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND, UH, IF EVERYONE, UM, COULD PLEASE RISE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PASTOR JUSTIN CURTIS FROM LIGHTHOUSE BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, GIVE THE INVOCATION.

AND THEN, UH, UH, I WILL LEAD WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE STATE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITIZENS OF DICKINSON.

I WANNA THANK YOU FIRST FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A FEW WORDS BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING.

IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO LIVE AND SERVE IN THIS COMMUNITY ALONGSIDE YOU.

UH, MY NAME IS JUSTIN CURTIS, THE PASTOR OF THE LEAD PASTOR OF LIGHTHOUSES BAPTIST CHURCH.

AND I WANNA LET YOU KNOW, I FIRST CAME TO DICKINSON, TEXAS AS A 10-YEAR-OLD BOY WHEN MY FAMILY MOVED HERE FROM GALVESTON LATER AT THE AGE OF 15.

MY LIFE WAS FOREVER CHANGED WHEN I CAME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY 2000 YEARS AGO AND WHY HE DID IT.

AND AS I CONTINUE TO GROW, I SURRENDERED MY LIFE TO THE MINISTRY AT AGE 17.

NOW, SOME HAVE CALLED THIS DECISION TO BE FOOLISH FOR BEING SUCH A YOUNG AGE, BUT I CONSIDERED IT TO BE A FULL SURRENDER TO WHAT GOD WANTED FOR MY LIFE.

AFTER LEAVING FOR COLLEGE IN MISSOURI TO PURSUE GOD'S CALL IN MY LIFE IN MINISTRY, I RETURNED WITH MY NOW WIFE OF NINE YEARS, CONTINUED TO BUILD OUR FAMILY HERE IN DICKINSON.

NOW 31 YEARS OLD.

WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH FOUR CHILDREN, INCLUDING TWIN BOYS JUST BORN LAST WEEK.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I CANNOT STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING AND WE'VE BEEN BLESSED.

AND SO BEING A HUSBAND OF FATHER TO MY FOUR CHILDREN HAS BEEN THE GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT, UM, IN MY LIFE HERE.

THE CITY HAS TRULY BEEN OUR HOME, AND FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, I'VE HAD THE JOY OF SERVING AT LIGHTHOUSE BAPTIST CHURCH.

FIRST AS THE ASSOCIATE PASTOR SINCE LAST OCTOBER.

AND NOW AS A LEAD PASTOR, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN US OFF THE FREEWAY IF YOU'RE TRAVELING TO TEXAS CITY, BUCKY'S OR JUST TRAVELING DOWN TO SOUTH TO GALVESTON.

SEE, AT LIGHTHOUSE, WE ARE NOT A PERFECT CHURCH BY ANY MEANS, BUT WE ARE A FRIENDLY CHURCH AND A CHURCH OF SECOND CHANCES.

WE OFFER BLENDED WORSHIP STYLE SERVICE WITH HYMNS AND CONTEMPORARY MUSIC.

AND OUR PURPOSE IS SIMPLE TO BRING GLORY TO GOD BY MAKING THE GOSPEL CLEAR, BY EXALTING THE SCRIPTURES IN OUR TEACHING AND BY STRIVING TO TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS CHRIST HAS LOVED US.

SEE, WE WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THE WORK OF SALVATION IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT UPON WHAT JESUS ACCOMPLISHED.

AND NONE OF US ARE A DESERVING OF HIS GRACE.

SEE, WE REFLECT THAT SAME DESIRE THAT PAUL WROTE IN ONE TIMOTHY, THAT IT IS GOD'S DESIRE FOR ALL MEN, ALL SOULS TO BE SAVED AND COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.

AND THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE JESUS DIED FOR THE WORLD.

AND PEOPLE RECEIVE THAT FREE GIFT OF GOD BY HIS TRUSTING IN JESUS, UH, TO SAVE THEM.

SEE, WE WANNA SERVE DICKINSON, NOT JUST THROUGH SUNDAY WORSHIP, BUT BY CONNECTING WITH FAMILIES, BUILDING UP THIS COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HOST EVENTS LIKE ROUNDUP SUNDAY WITH FREE BARBECUE AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

IF YOU LIKE BARBECUE, COME ON DOWN.

END OF SEPTEMBER, OUR FALL FESTIVAL ON OCTOBER 31ST FOR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN AND ONGOING PROGRAMS LIKE AWANA FOR KIDS, AS WELL AS ONE-ON-ONE BIBLE CLASSES WHERE PEOPLE CAN DISCOVER THE FOUNDATIONS OF GOD'S WORD AT THEIR OWN PACE.

WE'D ALSO HAVE WEEKLY HOME GROUPS WHERE MEALS ARE SERVED.

DISCUSSIONS ARE CENTERED ON GOD'S WORD.

AND THROUGH THESE WE HAVE MISSING MANY LIVES IMPACTED AND HONOR IS OUR JOY TO BE PART OF THE HEARTBEAT OF THIS CITY.

WE WOULD LOVE FOR PEOPLE TO JOIN US SOMETIME FOR LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN CALL HOME.

SUNDAY SCHOOL SLASH BIBLE CLASSES FOR ALL AGES BEGINS AT 9 45.

THERE'S FREE DONUTS, KOLACHES AND COFFEE IS SERVED AT 10:45 AM AND OUR MAIN WORSHIP BEGINS AT 11.

SEE, SERVING PEOPLE I RECOGNIZE IS NEVER EASY, WHETHER IT'S IN A CHURCH, IN A CITY, OR IN A HOME.

DECISIONS CAN BE COMPLEX, BURDENS CAN BE HEAVY, BUT LEADERSHIP AND TRUE LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT CARRYING THESE BURDENS WITH WISDOM, HUMILITY, AND COMPASSION.

SEE, THE SCRIPTURES REMIND US IN PROVERBS THREE, FIVE THROUGH SIX, TO TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL THY HEART AND LEAN NOT INTO THY OWN UNDERSTANDINGS.

AND IN ALL THY WAYS ACKNOWLEDGE HIM.

HE SHALL DIRECT THY PATHS.

THAT'S THE KIND OF GUIDANCE EVERY LEADER NEEDS.

AND I WANT TO THANK THIS COUNCIL FOR THE WORK YOU DO OFTEN UNSEEN TO HELP THE CITY OF DICKINSON THRIVE.

YOUR LEADERSHIP MATTERS AND IT IMPACTS FAMILY JUST LIKE MINE, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

SEE THE APOSTLE PAUL ROMANI CORINTHIANS ONE, THREE THROUGH FIVE AS WELL, THAT GOD IS THE FATHER OF MERCIES, THAT GOD OF ALL COMFORT, WHO COMFORTS US IN ALL OUR AFFLICTIONS SO THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO COMFORT THOSE WHO ARE IN ANY AFFLICTION.

AND EXCUSE ME, WHAT EXCUSE PASTOR, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO, UH, CAN WE GET AN INVOCATION? 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT.

YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TO.

OKAY.

WE JUST NEED TO PRAY.

START.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU SIR.

WE'RE JUST, YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THEN EVEN CHALLENGES THAT ARE NOT LEFT, THAT WITHOUT HOPE, COMFORT, WE RECEIVE PASTOR ALONG TO STRENGTH HUNTERS TONIGHT, AS YOU SERVE THE CITY, MAY YOU LEAD WITH BOTH STRENGTH AND COMPASSION AND LEANING NOT IN YOUR OWN WISDOM, BUT LORDS AND HIS COMFORT GUIDE YOU IN EVERY WAY.

SO ALLOWS ME TO PRAYER AND THEN I'LL OPEN THIS MEETING.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DICKINSON, FOR THE FAMILIES WHO CALL IT HOME.

AND FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO GIVE THEMSELVES TO LEAD AND SERVE, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THEM WISDOM, THEIR DECISIONS TONIGHT,

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UNITY AND THEIR DISCUSSIONS AND COMPASSION FOR THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT.

LORD, WE REMEMBER THAT APART FROM CHRIST, WE CAN DO NOTHING.

BUT IN HIM, WE STRENGTHEN AND GUIDE GUIDANCE AND PEACE.

BE AN EXAMPLE OF JESUS WHO CAME NOT TO SERVE, BUT TO SERVE.

INSPIRE US TO ALL LEAD WITH HUMILITY AND LOVE.

MAY YOUR SPIRIT GUIDE EVERY CONVERSATION.

AND MAY YOUR WILL BE DONE IN THIS CITY AS IT IN HEAVEN.

AND ABOVE ALL, MAY EVERYTHING BE ACCOMPLISHED HERE.

ULTIMATELY POINT PEOPLE TO THE HOPE OF JESUS, THE PRINCE OF PEACE, AND THE TRUE SHEPHERD OF OUR SOUL.

WE PRAY THIS IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS.

AMEN.

SO THANK YOU GUYS.

AND MAY YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD MEETING.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WIDGET STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE OF LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVISIBLE.

ALRIGHT, UH, GO AHEAD AND GO INTO NUMBER

[3. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS]

THREE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

SO CITY COUNCIL, WE WILL START, UH, I GUESS THIS TIME WE'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

AND WE'LL GO FROM MY RIGHT TO LEFT.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, STAFF, CITIZENS, THOSE, UH, HERE AND ONLINE.

UH, GLAD TO SEE EVERYONE HERE.

THOSE ARE ALL MY COUNT COMMENTS, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

OKAY, WELCOME EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE TONIGHT.

AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE MAYOR.

HE WAS APPOINTED BY THE HGAC TO THE AIR QUALITY COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU .

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T SHOW UP TO MEETINGS.

YEAH.

YOU GET NOMINATED AND VOTED IN.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

NO, HANK TOLD ME.

HE WARNED ME FIRST.

HANK TOLD ME.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

WELCOME THOSE HERE IN ONLINE LISTENING.

THANK YOU.

THANKS EVERYBODY FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT.

UH, QUICK, UH, UH, WE MET WITH THE, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER HANK DOGIE, UH, OUR REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING.

I ATTENDED THE MI LEWIS GALA, UH, ATTENDED THE MI LEWIS FOOD DRIVE, BAYAN TRANSPORTATION MEETING, THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT REGULAR MEETING, THE EDC REGULAR MEETING, AND A BUSINESS NETWORKING EVENT.

THANK YOU.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY.

UH, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING, UH, IN PERSON AND ONLINE.

I TOO ATTENDED THE MI LEWIS GALA AND I DROPPED BY THERE TODAY AND DROPPED OFF MY MONEY.

THEY RAISED, UH, $41,000 IN THAT, UH, GALA EVENT.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO MI LEWIS.

AND, UH, ACCORDING TO, UH, ANGELICA THIS MORNING, IT WAS $41,000.

SO THAT WAS THE THANK YOU.

UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

YOUR MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE, UH, UPDATES I'D LIKE TO GIVE.

UM, SO I MET WITH OUR MUNICIPAL ADVISORS.

UM, SO THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING FOR MY, UH, CLIENTS, BUT THEY DO IT FOR CITIES.

I CALLED 'EM FINANCIAL ADVISORS.

THEY'RE LIKE, NO, WE'RE MU MUNICIPAL ADVISORS.

UM, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT OUR BOND RATING.

UM, THEY WANTED ME TO RELAY THIS TO COUNCIL AS WELL AS STAFF.

UM, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE HAD OUR AA RATING PUT BACK, UM, IS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING.

SO THIS IS COMING FROM THEM.

THIS IS NOT COMING FROM ME.

UM, SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

UH, AGENCIES ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

THEY SEE THE WORK, THE HARD WORK, THE STAFF HERE IS DOING.

UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY, THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE COMMENTING ABOUT THE MOST.

UM, THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT BOND CAPACITY AND KIND OF JUST THE WHOLE FINANCIAL PICTURE OF THE, UM, THE CITY.

UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT I WAS DOING IS DISCUSSING WITH THEM WHAT, WHAT I AM LOOKING AT TO TRY TO DEVELOP A 10 YEAR PLAN, UM, TO GET SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS TAKEN AND CARE OF.

UM, ALSO, LIKE I SAID, I WAS PART OF THE MEETING WITH, UH, MR. HANK, COMMISSIONER HANK DOOGIE.

UM, SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT ONE.

UM, ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT I KNOW SOME OF YOU'LL BE VERY PLEASED WITH IS, UH, MR. DAVID ZARO FINALLY CALLED ME BACK FROM TXDOT.

UM, HE'S THE PRINCIPAL ENGINEER AT TXDOT HERE IN THE GALVESTON REGION.

AND, UH, HIM AND I HAVE GOT TO TALK FOR A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF EXPLAINED TO HIM ALL THE ISSUES WE HAVE.

UM, HE'S VERY RECEPTIVE TO IT.

UM, ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT, SO THE MAINTENANCE SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE UPDATED.

UM, BUT THE BIG ONE IS HE AGREED TO LISTEN OR MEET WITH ME AND DISCUSS THOSE MEDIAS THAT SIT ON FIVE 17.

UM, BASICALLY WHAT I TOLD HIM IS, LOOK, I I GOT IT.

YOUR PLAN WAS GREAT.

THE, THE SCIENCE MADE SENSE, BUT SOMETIMES PLANS IN THEORY DON'T WORK OUT.

SO CAN YOU PLEASE AT LEAST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION? SO THEY'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH US.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

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UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HANDLING IT.

A LOT OF PROBLEMS COMING FROM, UH, CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP, UM, THINGS THAT WE'VE JUST UNCOVERED THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.

UM, HOWEVER, NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN PAST A LOT OF THAT, WE ARE STARTING TO GET TO REACH OUT TO A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS GETTING STATUS UPDATES.

AND ONE WE MET WITH WAS THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DEVELOPING WATER STREET, MYSELF, UH, MR. CAREY, UH, MR. MAGNO, AND THEN, UH, MR. DAVE FUNK, OUR EDC DIRECTOR.

WE ALL MET WITH HIM.

UM, AND THE PREMISE OF IT WAS, WHAT'S GOING ON? WHERE'S THE PROGRESS? WE KIND OF NEED TO SEE SOME, UH, SOME ACTUAL, UH, DELIVERABLES, BASICALLY.

UM, WE HAD A VERY LONG CONVERSATION.

AND, UH, WHAT FINALLY STEMMED FROM IT IS HE GAVE HIM HIMSELF A TIMELINE OF APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS TO GIVE US SOME REAL CONCRETE ANSWERS OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD.

SO I WILL BE BRINGING THOSE AND I WILL BE FOLLOWING UP REGULARLY ABOUT IT.

UM, WE DO HAVE PROGRESS WITH OUR, UH, WATER STREET PROJECT, WITH OUR PARKING GARAGE.

SO WHEN THAT, WHEN WE DO WHAT WE SAY, WE EXPECT THE DEVELOPERS TO DO BUSINESS WITH US, THAT PARTNER WITH US, THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.

SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE ONLY OTHER THINGS IS GOT TO TALK TO, UH, SENATOR MIDDLETON TODAY, UH, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE IN DICKINSON, UM, AND THEN SOME STRUGGLES THAT WE MIGHT NEED SOME HELP FROM HIM.

SO, UM, WITH ALL THAT, UH, WE'LL GO TO YOU, UH, MR. CITY MANAGER, CHASE CAREY.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL CITIZENS OF OUR GREAT COMMUNITY.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK U UPDATES TO TOUCH BASE ON.

I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, FIRST TOUCH BASE ON THE, UH, THE HUGHES ROAD PROJECT.

WE, UH, RIGHT AROUND 35% COMPLETED.

WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE, AND THE FRUSTRATION AND THE ISSUES.

I'VE RECEIVED 50, 60 EMAILS FROM VARIOUS FOLKS, UH, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I MIGHT ADD, UH, ABOUT ISSUES DEALING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

EVER SINCE THE SCHOOL STARTED.

OBVIOUSLY THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE, I KNEW THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN.

I WAS WITHIN THE TRAFFIC OFF OF HUGHES ROAD.

MY DAUGHTER STARTED SCHOOL THERE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE.

FIVE 17 AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL HAS HAD TRAFFIC ISSUES FOR DECADES.

I WENT TO DICKSON HIGH SCHOOL.

I REMEMBER PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN 2003.

JUST IMAGINE NOW THAT WE'RE AN OPEN SCHOOL DISTRICT, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WE HAVE COMING ONTO FIVE 17 TO DRIVE TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL.

HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WE HAVE SOME FROM SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AT SCHOOL.

THE TRAFFIC IS NOT GETTING BETTER.

TRUST ME, WITH MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ON HUGHES ROAD, I THINK WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT HANDLING IT.

WE CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE.

WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE ISSUES, BUT WE, EVERY DAY THAT WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, WE ARE WORKING ON IT WITH THE CONTRACTORS.

MR. MENOS, WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERS ON A DAILY BASIS.

YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO ADD, HUGHES ROAD WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1985, THE YEAR THAT I WAS BORN.

IT DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE DROP OFF IN PICKUP TRAFFIC THAT THE SCHOOL SHOULD CONTAIN.

SO ALL OF THAT OVERLOAD IS DUMPED ONTO HUGHES ROAD NOWADAYS.

THAT SCHOOL WOULDN'T EVEN BE ALLOWED TO OPEN UP, I PROMISE YOU.

I'VE HAD OUR ENGINEER TRA OUR, OUR ENGINEERS LOOK AT THAT TRAFFIC.

THAT TRAFFIC IS CONTAINED AND IT'S ILLEGALLY STACKS DOWN HUGHES ROAD IN A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ZONE.

WE'RE HANDLING IT.

I UNDERSTAND NOBODY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE, THAT WAS DONE LONG AGO.

WE'RE PAST THAT.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES THAT ARISE THAT WE HAVE NOW.

IT IS NOT, WE ARE DOING OUR BEST, WORKING WITH THE PD, WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS, WCID, RAY TECH.

OUR CONTRACTORS ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE ASK FOR.

AND I APPRECIATE IT.

I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PATIENCE.

I HEAR YOU.

I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.

I, I, TRUST ME, I UNDERSTAND IT MORE THAN, MORE THAN MOST BEING ON HUGHES ROAD, PICKING MY DAUGHTER UP, BUT HOPEFULLY, I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING, BUT IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL TO MOVE THIS CITY FORWARD AND WE'LL GET PAST IT.

I PROMISE.

I JUST WANNA TOUCH BASE ON A FUTURE PROJECT.

THE, UH, THE, THE EWPP, MR. MAGDALENO JUST RECEIVED SOME GOOD WORD BACK.

THIS IS A FEDERAL AGENCY, THE DEPARTMENT OF AG, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION SERVICE.

THIS IS A $2.5 MILLION GRANT.

THIS IS TO CLEAR AND DE SNAG THE BAYOU AND TRIBUTARIES.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY HAS THAT BOND TO CLEAR THE BAYOU.

WE ARE COMBINING THESE PROJECTS AND WE ARE GOING TO SHARE THE LOCAL MATCH,

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THE COST SHARE WITH THE COUNTY.

WE RECEIVE WORD BEING THAT IT'S A FEDERAL PROJECT.

WE WERE SOMEWHAT CONCERNED THAT, HEY, THESE FUNDS COULD GET CUT.

LOGICALLY, WE, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM 'EM FOR A WHILE.

WE RECEIVED, WHEN, WHAT WAS THAT EMAIL, MR. MAGNO YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE? THIS MORNING? THIS MORNING THAT THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED FROM US.

OUR GRANT MANAGER IS PROCESSING THE APPLICATION.

THE, THE NOA NOTICE OF AGREEMENT IS, IS BEING COMPLETED BY THEIR GRANT MANAGER WILL BE SENT OVER TO US SO WE CAN EXECUTE IT.

WE ARE ALREADY IN CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY.

WE PROVIDED DATES TO MR. SHANNON, THE COUNTY ENGINEER, AND WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.

THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED PROJECT.

UH, THIS WILL CLEAR THE, THE DEBRIS AND THE TREES THAT ARE DOWN WITHIN OUR TRIBUTARIES AND OUR BAYOU.

WE KNOW THERE'S TONS OF TREES DOWN.

THIS AFFECTS EVERYONE.

IT'S A DOMINO EFFECT.

IT'S WHAT WE TELL THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY AND ALL OUR SURROUNDING AGENCIES AND PEOPLE.

HEY, IF OUR WATER CAN'T FLOW, IT'S GONNA BACK UP INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

SO WE SHOULD ALL CHIP IN.

YOU KNOW, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE EIGHT ONGOING AND FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES FROM TXDOT, GLO, DEPARTMENT OF AG TDO, TO NAME A FEW.

THAT'S A LOT OF PROJECTS.

YOU KNOW, MR. MAGNO ARE DETERMINED TO SEE THESE PROJECTS THROUGH BECAUSE THEY WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

A LOT OF OUR TIME IS SPENT ON THESE MAJOR PROJECTS.

WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND IMPROVEMENTS EVERY DAY.

WE'RE MAKING SURE WE AREN'T DROPPING THE BALLS ON THESE PROJECTS.

AND MR. MAGNO, I APPRECIATE YOU.

I KNOW HOW MUCH HARD, HOW MUCH WORK IT IS AND HOW MUCH YOU DO FOR US.

SO THANK YOU.

THE UDC, ONCE THE BUDGET IS COMPLETED, I PLAN ON HAVING A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE PNZ COMMISSION, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, SO WE CAN DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS, ISSUES, PROBLEMS, SOLUTIONS ON HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE FORWARD.

I KNOW MR. MOORE BROUGHT, BROUGHT IT UP TO THE PNZ BOARD IN THE PREVIOUS WEEKS AND I THINK IT'S BEST FOR ALL OF US SO WE COULD SIT DOWN TOGETHER WITH THEM TO DISCUSS IT, FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS.

SO THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU SIR.

AND, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DEPARTMENT HEAD STATUS REPORTS FOR THIS MEETING? YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

WHAT WE GOT? MRS. NINA BAKER, COME ON DOWN.

HEY, MS. NINA, HOW ARE YOU? DOING WELL.

SHE'S OUR ANIMAL SHELTER DIRECTOR AND SHE DOES A GREAT JOB.

THANKS.

THANK YOU MISS NINA.

I'M GONNA KEEP IT SUPER SHORT 'CAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A LOT TO GET TO TONIGHT.

SO I CONDENSED LIKE FOUR DAYS OF SPEECH DOWN INTO JUST A COUPLE MINUTES FOR Y'ALL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO FILL Y'ALL IN ON ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR, EVEN WITH THE GREATLY REDUCED BUDGET LESS STAFF.

SO WE MAINTAINED OUR NO KILL STATUS THIS FISCAL SCHOOL YEAR.

UM, WE DID THIS BY STRENGTHENING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY, WHO SHOWED UP IN OUR MOST DESPERATE TIME OF NEED.

THE RESCUES THAT WE'VE MADE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER 200 ANIMALS THIS YEAR, VETERINARIANS WITH THEIR OPEN DOORS AND REDUCED PRICING FOR US AND OUR HEAVY HITTER, THE STAR PROGRAM, WHICH HAS RAISED $41,000 FOR MEDICAL NEEDS TO MAKE THE ANIMALS ADOPTABLE, LEAVING US WITH A 95.1% LIVE RELEASE RATE, WHICH IS 2% BETTER THAN LAST YEAR.

THIS YEAR WE'VE TAKEN IN 20% LESS ANIMALS THAN LAST YEAR.

AND WE HAVE 33% LESS ANIMALS IN THE SHELTER AT THIS TIME.

UM, SINCE JANUARY 1ST, 2025, WE'VE HAD 541 CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL.

342 OF THOSE CALLS WERE FOR STORY ANIMALS, 58 WERE FOR WILDLIFE.

UM, WE'VE HAD A HUGE AMOUNT OF CALLS FOR THE COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAM COMPLAINTS ON THAT PROGRAM.

UM, AND THEN LIVESTOCK CALLS THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO SOLVE.

SO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ALL EXPECT FROM ME THIS YEAR ARE ORDINANCE CHANGES AND ADDITIONS.

UM, ONE IS ADDING A LIVESTOCK ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE CURRENTLY.

UH, TWO IS CHANGING THE COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAM.

SO IT GIVES US SOME KIND OF AUTHORITY BEFORE THESE SITUATIONS TURN INTO PUBLIC NUISANCES.

UM, MANDATORY SPAY DETER ORDINANCE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FOR ANIMALS AT LARGE, SO WE CAN CUT DOWN ON THE POPULATION.

AND ADDING AN ORDINANCE FOR NOT FEEDING THE WILDLIFE, MAKING THESE CHANGES ARE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HELP US REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ANIMAL CONTROL CALLS.

IT'S ALSO GONNA REDUCE, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ANIMALS INSIDE THE SHELTER.

AND IT'S GONNA GIVE US MORE TIME TO FOCUS ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND PUBLIC EDUCATION.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM? THAT MY WIFE AND I AND DAUGHTER AND CAME AND PLAYED WITH THE ANIMALS AND HUNG OUT.

THAT WOULD BE AND WALKED 'EM.

WOULD WHATS, IS

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THAT A NAME THAT'S A NAMED PROGRAM, CORRECT? IT IS.

UH, ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS SAID, HEY, WHY AREN'T WE LETTING THE VOLUNTEERS WALK THE DOGS? AND SO THE NEXT DAY I WAS LIKE, WE'RE DOING SAFARI.

AND SO IT, IT CAME ABOUT LIKE THAT.

SO THE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY ARE ALLOWED TO COME IN, SIGN IN AS A VOLUNTEER.

THEY GET TRAINED ON HOW TO, A LITTLE BIT OF DOG BEHAVIOR, HOW TO GET THE ANIMALS ON LEASH OUT OF THEIR KENNELS, UM, WHERE TO WALK THEM.

UM, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PRO, WELL, IT'S A CITY PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, BUT THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS, PEOPLE USE IT FOR THEIR STUFF.

UM, THEY'VE ALLOWED US TO GO OVER THERE TO USE THAT PROPERTY FOR THE DOGS TO HAVE AN ADVENTURE WITH THE STAFF.

SO THIS PROGRAM HAS NOT ONLY HELPED WITH THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE STAFF MEMBERS, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO MADE THE DOGS MORE ADOPTABLE BY ALLOWING THEM TO MEET NEW PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

THEY LEARN BETTER LEASH SKILLS.

THEY LEARN HOW TO SIT, ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS THAT THE STAFF DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TIME FOR.

UM, SO THEY'RE MEETING PEOPLE WITH A WHOLE, A MUCH, MUCH BETTER PRESENCE.

SO THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT AND PUTTING THEIR PAUSE ON, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ADOPTERS.

THEY'RE COMING OUT THERE WITH SOME MANNERS AND SOME SOCIALIZATION.

YEAH.

MY WIFE TRIED TO ADOPT LIKE THREE OF YOUR DOGS.

WHY DIDN'T YOU LET HER? YEAH, NOT HAPPENING.

I ALREADY NO, WE'RE GOOD.

SHE SHOULD COME SEE ME.

WE'RE MAX, WE'RE MAX CAPACITY RIGHT NOW.

SHE SHOULD COME SEE ME IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

I HAVE ONE MORE LITTLE PART I DID.

TELL ME ABOUT THE WILDLIFE CALLS YOU'RE GETTING AND SQUIRRELS CALLS EVERYTHING.

SO MY CONCERN, AND THE REASON WHY I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T FEED THE WILDLIFE IS BECAUSE ANYTIME THAT A HIGH, UM, RABIES VECTOR SPECIES HAS CONTACT WITH A HUMAN, THAT'S AN AUTOMATIC DEATH SENTENCE FOR THEM.

UM, THEY HAVE TO BE SENT TO THE LAB FOR TESTING.

AND SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE FEEDING THE RACCOONS IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THEY GET A SCRATCH, WE SHOW UP THAT ANIMAL'S LIFE IS OVER.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LEAVING FOOD OUT, IT'S NOT HELPING OUR COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

OUR COMMUNITY CATS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A JOB.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HANDLING THE RODENTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, CURRENTLY WE JUST HAVE, WE SAY THE WORDS, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE HOARDING THESE CATS AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THE ENTIRE PROCESS FOR THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

SO WE'RE NOT GETTING SPAYED NS, WE'RE NOT GETTING VACCINES.

SO THESE ARE UN THEY, THEY MIGHT AS WELL BE WILD ANIMALS.

UNVACCINATED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

QUICK QUESTION.

UH, HOW'S, UH, THIS YEAR, I GUESS THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH WILDLIFE WARRIORS WORKING OUT? IT'S GOOD.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE TO TAKE WILDLIFE INTO THE SHELTER, UM, ANYTIME THAT, UM, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER WILDLIFE ENTITY AS WELL, UM, THAT IS STEPPING UP.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR 5 0 1 C3.

UM, BUT IT'S ANOTHER ENTITY THAT'S NOT GONNA CHARGE US ANY MONEY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE WILDLIFE.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MAAM.

I HAVE ONE MORE THING.

OH, GO AHEAD.

ONE MORE THING.

I'M SO SORRY.

GO.

IT'S ALL YOU.

OKAY.

SO LAST BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, OUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.

SO I RAN A REPORT FROM JANUARY THE FIRST TO AUGUST 26TH, 2025.

I RAN THAT SAME REPORT IN THE SAME DATE RANGE FOR LAST YEAR.

SO WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE OF 63.7% IN THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS.

THESE SAME PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN 3,464 HOURS IN THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS TO THE SHELTER OF THEIR OWN TIME.

THAT'S ALMOST THE EQUIVALENT OF TWO FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES RUNNING THIS REPORT.

IT TOTALLY BLEW ME AWAY.

I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT CARE.

UM, THESE PEOPLE DECIDED TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION AND NEVER ASKED FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN.

AND I FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE A HUGE DISSERVICE IF WE DIDN'T SPOTLIGHT THEM.

AND MY STAFF TONIGHT TO THANK THEM FOR SAVING THE SHELTER THROUGH OUR STRESSFUL YEAR LAST YEAR.

DID THAT, THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF OUR GOOD PEOPLE HATE IT THROUGH THIS YEAR WITHOUT YOU GUYS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MS. NINA.

THANK YOU.

YOU DO A GREAT JOB.

APPRECIATE YOU.

ALRIGHT.

IS UH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE FOR TONIGHT? YES SIR.

YES SIR.

ALRIGHT, AWESOME.

ALRIGHT.

SO NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

COMMENTS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.

COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE.

AND I HAVE A FEW.

SO THE FIRST ONE WE'LL HAVE IS FOR GENERAL COMMENTS IS MR. WALLY DIETZ.

I'M GOOD.

YOU'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

I GOT, UH, MS. GALIN, COME ON UP.

HI, GAYLYNN EISER.

I'M DICKINSON.

I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF ANGELICA.

UM, HENSLEY, OUR DIRECTOR OF MI

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LEWIS AND ALSO REPRESENTING OUR BOARD.

UM, SHE WANTED TO COME TONIGHT, BUT SHE HAS OPEN HOUSE FOR HER KIDS .

UM, SHE'S, AS SHE WROTE, SHE SAID, I'D LIKE TO EXTEND MY HEARTFUL THANKS TO THE MAYOR AND ALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, AND THE RESIDENTS OF DICKINSON WHO JOINED US FOR THE RECENT MI LEWIS WINE AND DINE ITALIANO.

BECAUSE OF YOUR PRESENCE AND SUPPORT, THIS BECAME THE MOST SUCCESSFUL EVENT MI LEWIS HAS EVER HOSTED.

WE RAISED OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND $41,000 FOR THE MONTHLY CONTRIBUTIONS.

I STAND IN CORRECTED .

THAT'S OKAY.

.

UM, WE ARE PROUD TO BE ONE OF THE LARGEST SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES IN GALVESTON COUNTY AND EVEN MORE PROUD TO SERVE OUR NEIGHBORS IN NEED.

THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THE TRUE HEART OF DICKINSON AND WHAT IT MEANS TO GET BACK.

IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENING AND PROUD OF AND A PROUD MOMENT FOR ALL OF US WHO CALLED DICKINSON HOME.

SO THANK YOU ALL.

OH, THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

UH, NEXT UP IS, IS IT, UH, MR. PEDRO? IS IT D LOS SANTOS? DID I GET THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THIS IS MY FIRST NAME.

YES, SIR.

AND I'M HARD OF HEARING AND I JUST CAME IN FROM OPERATIONS OVER, THEY MESSED UP MY, MY THROAT, BUT ALRIGHT.

I'M WANNA BE, SO IF I'M LOUD OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE, IT NOT BECAUSE I'M BEING LOUD, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO HEAR MYSELF ANYWAY.

YOU'RE GOOD SIR.

I WANNA KNOW.

UM, IT'S BEEN SEVEN YEARS SINCE HARVEY.

I THINK THE GO, THE CITY GOT SOMETHING LIKE 47, 40 $9 MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE.

WELL, I GOT TWO FEET OF WATER IN MY HOUSE, NO PROBLEM.

THERE WAS A LOT OF RAIN BACK THEN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EACH TIME IT RAINS THREE OR FOUR INCHES, I GET WATER INTO MY HOUSE AND I HAVE TO GO TO THE APPRAISAL OFFICE JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR TO SHOW LOOK WHERE I'M LIVING SO THEY CAN GIMME ME A BREAK.

BUT I'M GETTING TIRED SOMEHOW THEY SAID, SUPPOSED TO BE A PROJECT ALL THE WAY TO A D ROAD WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO EITHER PUT IN PIPING OR WHATEVER, BUT I DON'T SEE NOTHING.

AND I SAID, WELL, ALL I SEE IS THE ISLANDS ON FIVE 17, WHICH I THINK ARE NOT VERY GOOD.

I ALREADY HAD TWO FLATS, NARROW THE ROADS AND THIS, BUT THAT'S NOT HERE NOR THERE.

MAINLY MY CONCERN IS THE DRAINAGE FROM MY HOUSE.

YES, SIR.

AND THAT'S IT.

ALL.

I WANT KNOW MORE.

THAT'S WHERE WE STAND ON THAT PROJECT.

YES, SIR.

SO, UM, SO THAT IS THE GLO PROJECT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I'LL SPEAK, I'M GONNA SPEAK LOUDER SO YOU CAN, UH, SO YOU CAN HEAR ME.

I'M NOT YELLING AT YOU, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW.

UM, SO THE GLO PROJECT IS THE, I THINK IT'S THE, THE THIRTY SEVEN MILLION THIRTY NINE MILLION THIRTY NINE MILLION PROJECT.

YES, SIR.

WE'RE AT ABOUT 26%, 28%, 33, 33 NOW.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE AT ONLY ABOUT 33%.

I DON'T THINK THEY'VE MADE IT TO YOUR SECTION YET.

IT LIVES ON 33 10 DICKENSON AVENUE, WHICH IS IN FRONT OF THE FIESTA TRAILER PARK.

AND I'M HOPING I SAY, WHERE ARE THE BACKHOES OR WHATEVER THAT IS THEY'RE DOING OR SOMETHING.

I SAID, HEY, MR. MAGNO, IF YOU GET HIS INFORMATION, IF WE GET YOUR INFORMATION, IF WE CAN GET YOUR INFORMATION, UH, MR. MAGNO CAN GET YOU THE PLAN OF THAT PROJECT SO YOU CAN KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.

HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT'S, THAT, THAT, THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN, UH, MR. GARLAND COPELAND.

OOPS, SORRY.

MY NAME'S GARLAND COPELAND AND I LIVE IN HERE IN DICKINSON.

AND, UM, UM, I, UH, QUESTION TO HEAR THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE FIVE 17 PROBLEM.

AND I URGE EVERYBODY THAT ANYTIME THEY HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH THE DOT TO BRING THAT UP AND, UH, DON'T EVER LET 'EM FORGET.

BUT, UH, GETTING SOMEBODY TO CALL YOU BACK ON THAT, I THINK IS A GOOD SIGN.

I THINK SO TOO, SIR.

THE, UM, ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE HUGHES ROAD PROJECT IN THE SCHOOLS AND THE TRAFFIC.

UM, ALL OF MY KIDS WENT TO THROUGH SCHOOL IN DICKINSON AND UM, I DON'T REMEMBER US EVER TAKING THEM TO SCHOOL IN OUR CAR.

THEY ALWAYS RODE THE BUS.

AND I'M THINKING, I KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED, BUT, UM, IF MORE KIDS RODE THE BUS, I THINK WE'D HAVE LESS, UM, TRAFFIC PROBABLY ON HUGHES ROAD, PARTICULARLY THIS YEAR.

UM, I'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE AND, UM, I GET CONCERNED WHEN I READ THE MINUTES BECAUSE THEY SEEM

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TO ALWAYS MISSPELLED MY, MY NAME.

AND THAT'S THE CASE TONIGHT.

AND I GUESS ON THE CONSENT, VIRGINIA, THAT OUGHT TO BE PULLED AND CORRECTED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, SIR.

AND I WILL SAY ABOUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHASE, YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT UP, THAT YOU WENT TO, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU AND I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL TOGETHER.

ACTUALLY YOU WERE, UH, I THINK WHAT A SENIOR, WHEN I WAS A FRESHMAN, MY GRADUATING CLASS IN OH SIX WAS 300 AND LIKE TWO.

THE NEW GRADUATING CLASS OF LAST YEAR WAS 948.

THAT'S WHY OUR TRAFFIC IS DIFFERENT.

RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE 22,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

WE HAVE 46,000 IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

UM, BUSES CAN'T THAT, THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE STRUGGLE IS THE BUSES JUST CAN'T GET TO ALL THE PLACES.

SO, 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST SO BIG NOW.

BUT NEXT THING IS NUMBER FIVE.

HERE

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

IT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.

THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS.

IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CON.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE CORRECTION OF MR. COPELAND'S NAME.

SPELLED RIGHT.

GOT A MOTION.

DO I GOT A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

GOT A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

MOTION.

UH, ALL OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALL RIGHT.

SIX.

ALL BUSINESS

[6.A ORDINANCE NO. XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an Ordinance of the City of Dickinson to appoint a Charter Review Commission Consisting of five (5) citizens of the City, state the commission's duties, and provide for a term of office and an effective date. (2nd Reading)(Edmonds)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON TO APPOINT A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CONSISTING OF FIVE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.

UH, STATE THE, UH, COMMISSION'S DUTIES AND PROVIDE FOR A TERM OF OFFICE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SECOND READING.

DO ADD DARRELL CARNEY ONTO THE LIST.

SO, UM, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

UH, UH, YES, SIR.

HAVE A, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND MOVE TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? WHO MOVED TO APPROVE? MOVE TO APPROVE.

UH, EDMONDS.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALRIGHT, GOT A SECOND.

FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK.

ALRIGHT, WHAT DO, SO I GUESS WHAT WE COULD DO IS TALK, DISCUSS, AND THEN WHOEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE CAN ADD IT TO THE, UH, THE MOTION IF NEED BE.

UM, SO YOU SAID YOU HAVE AN APPOINT PEOPLE, UH, INDIVIDUALS HAVE APPOINTEES THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO.

SO WHO DO WE GOT? DARRELL CARNEY.

DARRELL CARNEY.

HAD THERE BEEN OTHER NAMES NOMINATED? HMM.

WE'RE NOMINATING THEM NOW.

I THOUGHT.

WELL, WE WERE LAST MONTH.

WE HAD SOME, WE THREW SOME NAMES AROUND, BUT WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH A LIST.

THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS APPROVING THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT? NO.

LAST, UM, LAST MEETING WE SAID WE WOULD COME UP WITH THE NAMES TONIGHT.

GARLAND.

COPELAND.

COPELAND.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WANNA DO AND THEN GARLAND COPELAND.

AND THEN, UH, AND THEN DO WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE GONNA BE FILLING THE ROLE ON THIS? NOMINATE MYSELF.

YEP.

SO, SO THAT IT, UH, LEGALLY IS THAT OKAY OR IS THAT 'CAUSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED CITIZENS, RIGHT? SO IT'S FIVE CITIZENS.

IT DOESN'T STATE THAT WE CAN'T HAVE, BUT IT, I'D LIKE SOME SORT OF REPRESENTATION OF CITY COUNCIL.

THERE IS NO PROHIBITION AGAINST A MEMBER OF COUNCIL SERVING.

OKAY.

REMEMBER THIS IS JUST A COMMISSION SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE HARD WORK.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING FOR FIVE AND A HALF HOURS ABOUT IT IN THESE MEETINGS.

RIGHT.

SO EVERYTHING THAT GETS APPROVED HAS TO BE DONE BY US ANYWAYS.

SO YOU'RE, SO YOU, YOU'RE, UH, WILLING TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE TO BE A PART OF THIS COUNCIL MEMBER? REDMONDS I AM.

AWESOME.

ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO, UH, JOIN IN? I WILL BE, I CANNOT COMMIT TO THE FULL THING, BUT I WILL BE, I WILL STILL TRY TO PUT AS MUCH TIME AS I CAN FOR ALSO DID YOU NEED COUNCIL PEOPLE? WHAT'S THAT? I SAID I DON'T MIND SERVING ON IT.

OKAY.

SO THEN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOWNSEND, HE'LL BE OUR SECOND.

AND THEN WE NEED AT LEAST ONE MORE NAME TO MAKE THE FIVE.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS? DAWN KING SAID SHE WOULD SERVE.

THAT'S, AND THEN WE HAVE DON KING WAS WILLING TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE.

ALRIGHT.

OUT OF THOSE FIVE NAMES, UM, DOES ANY, DOES ANYONE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER NAMES THEY'D LIKE TO PROPOSE OVER THOSE FIVE? OR ARE WE, WE GET, ALRIGHT, THE OTHER THING IT SAYS IN HERE, WE'RE GOING TO ALSO APPROVE, UM, A COMMISSION DUTY AND PROVIDE

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THE TERM OF OFFICE.

UM, DO WE NEED TO DO THAT ALL TONIGHT? OR IS THAT, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY SET? THAT'S ALREADY SET OUT IN THE RESOLUTION? PERFECT.

OKAY.

SO WE DON'T NEED TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH THAT INFORMATION.

UH, THAT IS CORRECT.

I, OKAY.

THE RESOLUTION JUST TRACKS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO WOULD ANYONE, DOES ANYONE HAVE A COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT THE FIVE NOMINEES? AND THEN IF NOT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

YEAH, JUST I GUESS A LOGISTIC QUESTION.

YEAH.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THIS LAST TIME, THERE WAS A TIMELINE PUT TOGETHER FOR ALL OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SUBMIT IN WRITING THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT.

UM, DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE BY THAT? ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THAT? OR IS A, BECAUSE I REMEMBER READING THE PACKET AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER SUBMITTED IN WRITING, WE'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS.

AND SO ARE WE GONNA DO THAT THE SAME OR, I MEAN, I THINK I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COUNCIL STAFF.

I MEAN, I WILL LITERALLY LISTEN TO ANYBODY IF THEY HAVE A GOOD IDEA.

LET'S HEAR IT.

UM, NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW TO U DO THAT, RIGHT? UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY GET A DEADLINE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN IT'S JUST GONNA GO TO THE END OF THE THING AND THEN WE'LL NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE.

SO YES, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN WITH THIS.

REMEMBER, COUNSEL WILL ACTUALLY GET TO APPROVE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THEY GO TO THE BALLOT TOO.

MM-HMM .

NO, BUT THAT WHAT IT DOES, IT HELPS DO A, SOME OF THE WORK FOR YOU.

RIGHT? SO, YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, WHEN WE, WE HAD ALL OF THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE WENT LINE BY LINE OR BEAUTIFUL POINT BY POINT THROUGH THE CHARTER AGAINST WHAT THEY HAD OFFERED.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO WE WILL ALL, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THE COMMISSION.

SO, UM, ALL RIGHT.

IF THAT'S, DO I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS COMMISSION, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR OR, SO WE DO NEED, DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION? YES.

IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND TO ADD THOSE FIVE NAMES, UH, AS APPOINTEES TO THIS COMMISSION THAT'S BEING CREATED.

I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH ADDING THE NAMES.

DARRELL CARNEY, GARLAND COPELAND, KEVIN EDMONDS, MARK TOWNSEND, AND DON KING AS THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

ALRIGHT.

DOES THE ORIGINAL SECOND AGREE? DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, SECOND.

OKAY.

SO, ALRIGHT.

SO SINCE THE ORIGINAL MAKER OF THE MOTION MADE THE MOTION TO AMEND, AND THEN THE ORIGINAL SECOND AGREED, THERE'S NO NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

IT IS NOW AMENDED.

IT'S AMENDED.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

SO TO ALL IN FAVOR OF SIX A PASSING WITH THE AMENDMENT, SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALL RIGHT.

AND I APOLOGIZE, UH, GARLAND COPELAND, YOU WANTED TO TALK FOR, UM, THIS, UH, ITEM.

DO YOU STILL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STILL TALK? GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

NEW BUSINESS SEVEN A CONDUCT

[7.A Conduct a Public Hearing concerning the Proposed Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Budget.]

A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE FISCAL, UH, SORRY, THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 BUDGET.

UM, STAFF PRESENTATION.

UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, MS. CLARK HAS REALLY MUCH OF A PRESENTATION.

OKAY.

I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET A GREAT DEAL.

YEP.

UH, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH I, I I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNCIL IS NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON BUDGET ADOPTION TONIGHT.

UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WAS NOTICED AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.

AND SO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND STILL CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

AND THEN WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE FIRST READING OF THE BUDGET ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ADOPT THE BUDGET.

THEN, UH, THE COUNCIL WOULD SIMPLY NEED TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE, UH, THAT CONSIDERATION TO A FUTURE DATE.

OKAY? SO IF WE HAVE NO STAFF PRESENTATION, UM, YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN, OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST ANNOUNCE THE TIME THAT IT OPENS.

OKAY.

OH, YEAH.

SO, SORRY.

WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 39.

SO, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF PRESENTATION.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANY PAPER FOR THIS, SO NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON IT? WELL, WE JUST HAD A WORKSHOP ON IT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THAT.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND JOIN.

ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 47 B,

[7.B. ORDINANCE XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Dickinson, Texas, approving and adopting a budget for the City of Dickinson, Texas, for Fiscal Year 2025-2026; making appropriations for the City for such Fiscal Year as reflected in said budget; providing for the incorporation of preamble; making certain findings and containing certain provisions relating to the subject; and providing an effective date. (1st Reading) ]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS, APPROVING AND ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26, MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE CITY FOR SUCH FISCAL YEAR AS REFLECTED AND SAID BUDGET, PROVIDING FURTHER INCORPORATION OF PREAMBLE,

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MAKING CERTAIN FINDINGS, AND CONTAINING CERTAIN PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SUBJECT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

FIRST READING.

MOVE TO POSTPONE.

I GOT A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

I GOT A SECOND, SECOND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TO POSTPONE THIS VOTE.

UH, MAYOR WILL NEED TO BE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'LL GET A ROLL CALL VOTE.

SO, ALL IN FAVOR? AND HE WILL ROLL.

CALL YOU OUT.

ALRIGHT.

DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY THE DATE? POINTING IT TO, UH, YES.

ACTUALLY, THAT'S, UH, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

SO THE POSTPONEMENT WOULD BE TO SEPTEMBER 9TH, IS THAT, UH, YES, SIR.

THAT'S THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

I, I'LL, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO ADD THE DATE.

SEPTEMBER 9TH, A SECOND FROM THE ORIGINAL, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT.

SO NOW, UM, ALL IN FAVOR WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNNY SIMPSON.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER JOHN HOLT.

YES.

MAYOR TRAVIS MAGLIO.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SCHRADER? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER BILL SCHICK? YES.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN EDMONDS? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION PASS.

SO, SEVEN

[7.C. Consideration and possible action to approve the Quarterly Investment Report & Financials for Period Ending June 30, 2025. (Finance Department)]

C, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT AND FINANCIALS FOR PERIOD ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025.

AND THEN WE HAVE MS. SARAH CLARK TO GIVE A SMALL PRESENTATION.

YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE THIRD QUARTER FINDINGS FROM FISCAL YEAR 25.

UM, HOPEFULLY IF YOU HAVE TIME TO REVIEW AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER.

IS THERE ANY TRENDS THAT YOU'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD? UM, UPS, DOWNS, LEFTS, RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, THE BILL TAXES DOWN IS DOWN, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SPECIFICALLY OKAY.

IT DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY.

UM, IS, I MEAN, I, Y'ALL CAN'T REALLY TELL WHERE, WHAT, WHAT INDUSTRIES? IT'S THE, THE DROP IS COMING FROM, I'M ASSUMING? UM, NOT REALLY IN OUR LOCAL.

NO, NOT REALLY.

OKAY.

IT WOULD BE HARD, BUT NO, OUT, OUT OF NO CRAZY EXPENSES THAT HAVE POPPED UP THAT WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T TRACKING NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY OTHER THAN NORMAL.

EVERYDAY.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T NEED ANY, UM, FURTHER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS BESIDE THE ONE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT, UM, FOR EMS CONSULTING.

OKAY.

UM, KEEPING AN EYE ON ENGINEERING, UM, COSTS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BESIDES THAT, EVERYTHING'S LOOKS TO BE BELOW BUDGET.

OKAY.

TRENDING OUT.

BUDGET.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS? YEAH.

LOOKING AT THE FRANCHISE FEES, LOOK LIKE THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE DOWN ABOUT 400,000.

WE GONNA BE ALL, WE'RE AT 66%.

DO WE SEE ANY MORE COMING IN OR ARE THEY COMING IN QUARTERLY FROM, LIKE, SOME OF THEM ARE QUARTERLY.

THEY, MOST OF THEM ARE QUARTERLY.

UM, SOME OF THEM COME IN AFTER I'M ABLE TO PULL THE SIX, THE THIRD SIX MONTHS, SO THE THIRD QUARTER REPORT.

SO THEY MAY BE LAGGING DEFINITELY BY THE FOURTH QUARTER.

WE WON'T CLOSE THE BOOKS WITHOUT GETTING ALL OF THEM, OR AT LEAST ACCRUING, ACCRUING THEM THE PITS BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN SO HIGH.

ARE THEY, UH, ARE THEY ABLE TO PAY, PAY 'EM OFF FASTER? WELL, PI FOUR, WE JUST STARTED COLLECTING ON IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT'S A VERY NEW PI.

UM, THE LIGHT BIO LAKES, THERE'S NEW SECTIONS THAT WERE ADDED TO BAYOU LAKES.

IS THAT THE NUMBER TWO? RIGHT.

THAT'S WHY THAT WAS NUMBER ONE.

AND TWO IS BAYOU LAKES.

OKAY.

I'M SAYING THE, THE ADDITIONS WERE HIS OH, YES.

YEP.

FIND IT MS. SARAH.

IT SAYS, UH, TRANSFERS AND OTHER SOURCES IS ONLY 41% REALIZED MM-HMM .

WHERE'S COMING FROM? IT'S ONE OF THEM.

SO WE GET A 5% FEE FOR EVERY P AND THAT COMES STRAIGHT TO THE STATE.

THAT'S WHY THE PIS DON'T HAVE A FUND BALANCE.

AND THE OTHER SOURCES ARE, I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY.

UM,

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IS THAT ALL THE THREE EIGHTIES? YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE ALL, THAT'S GONNA BE ALL PIT RELATED.

THAT WHICH NUMBER ARE YOU LOOKING AT, PLEASE? UH, IN REVENUES, THE PROBABLY SECOND FROM THE BOTTOM.

OKAY.

UH, TRANSFERS AND OTHER SOURCES? I THINK IT'S 10,000,421.

IS THAT THE NUMBER? YES, SIR.

WOULD SOME OF THAT BE YEARS ROAD? YES.

SO THAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE DETAIL.

SO YOUR SPREADSHEET WILL SHOW THE TRANSFERS FROM, UH, GLO, UM, ANY GRANTS OKAY.

AS WELL.

YES.

SO TO INCLUDE ALL THOSE OTHER GRANTS THAT WE'RE GONNA START GETTING AS WELL.

YES.

AWESOME.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MY COUNCIL MEMBERS? I MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

GOT A SECOND FROM A COUPLE PEOPLE.

UH, WHO, WHO, WHO SAID IT? JOHNNY.

JOHNNY.

OKAY.

I THOUGHT I HEARD.

ALL IN FAVOR.

A GOT IT.

AYE.

CAN YOU OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SEVEN

[7.D. RESOLUTION XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a resolution to approve and adopt amendments and updates to the Personnel Policy and Procedures Manual for the City of Dickinson. (Townsend)]

D CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AND ADOPT AMENDMENTS AND UPDATES TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY AND PROCEDURES MANUAL FOR THE CITY OF ATKINSON.

COUNCILMAN DOWNS.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR, UH, I'LL START THIS OFF BY JUST SAYING THIS IS THE, UH, A WELL, A SET OF UPDATES TO THE, UH, THE PERSONNEL HANDBOOK THAT, UM, THAT I CRAFTED USING, UH, A LIST THAT HR HAD PROVIDED OF, OF, OF SECTIONS THAT, UH, THEY FELT NEEDED, SOME, SOME TWEAKING.

UH, ALSO SOME SECTIONS THAT I HAD LOOKED AT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE HANDBOOK THAT I THOUGHT NEEDED CLEANING UP.

UH, IN ADDITION TO THE GENESIS OF THIS REQUEST, WHICH WAS COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND'S, UH, REQUEST FOR THE CHANGE TO THAT ONE SECTION, UM, YOU'LL SEE FROM THE ATTACHMENTS TO THE OR OR IN YOUR COUNSEL PACKET THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO EXHIBITS BECAUSE THE, THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND HOW THE HANDBOOK IS ORGANIZED IS, IS KIND OF GOOFY.

UH, RATHER THAN USING CHAPTERS, LIKE CHAPTERS ONE THROUGH, I WANNA SAY NINE, UH, THEY CALL IT SECTIONS ONE THROUGH NINE AND EACH ONE IS LIKE MESSED UP.

SO THAT'S WHY, UH, EXHIBIT A IS JUST THE RED LINE TABLE OF CONTENTS WHERE I HAVE RENUMBERED EVERYTHING.

AND THEN, UH, EXHIBIT B, UH, WILL HAVE THE RED LINE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE VARIOUS, UH, POLICY SECTIONS THEMSELVES.

I GOT SOME QUESTIONS ON SOME OF ITS YES, SIR.

GO THAT WAY.

UNDER THE RESOLUTION UNDER SECTION TWO, IT SAYS THE CITY MANAGER IS AUTHORIZED TO ADOPT FURTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE MANUAL AS DEEMED NECESSARY.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT DISCUSSING THIS.

UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE OTHER ONE WE'RE PUT IN THERE BY COUNCIL, AND THEN THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR TOOK 'EM OUT.

SO I WOULD THINK THAT IF CITY COUNCIL IS VOTING ON, ON APPROVING THIS MANUAL, THEN WE SHOULD BE THE ONES ADDING THINGS TO IT AND TAKING IT OUT.

I'M NOT PICKING ON MR. CAREY, BUT FARTHER DOWN THE LINE, THERE'LL BE OTHER CITY ADMINISTRATORS WHEN HE GETS OLD AND RETIRES AND HE'S BALD LIKE I AM .

YES, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND, AND I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THE QUESTION.

IT REALLY IS A, A, A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION OF TO WHOM THE HANDBOOK BELONGS TO WHOM THOSE POLICIES, UH, BELONG.

UH, I'M ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING IN A HOME RURAL CITY WITH A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT IT IS THE MANAGER THAT WILL SET THE POLICIES FOR THE EMPLOYEES.

AND IN FACT, THE VERY HANDBOOK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE IS A PROVISION TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF IT THAT AUTHORIZED IT.

IT'S ALREADY THERE.

THAT AUTHORIZES THE MANAGER TO, UH, WAIVE ANY OF THE PROVISIONS IN THE HANDBOOK ALREADY.

BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS THE NATURE OF AN EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK.

IT IS A TOOL FOR THE LEADERSHIP TO MANAGE THE EMPLOYEES.

AND THE LEADERSHIP IS IN FACT THE MANAGER.

THE COUNCIL MANAGES THE MANAGER, BUT IT'S UP TO THE MANAGER TO SET THOSE POLICIES.

AND SO THAT'S WHY, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THE, UH, THE CHANGES TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT.

BUT I EXPRESSLY PUT THAT, UH, SECTION IN THERE AS A PROPOSAL THAT THIS WILL NOW, UH, BE DEEMED KIND OF A HANDOFF FROM THE COUNCIL TO THE MANAGER SAYING THAT

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GOING FORWARD, IT IS UP TO YOU TO, YOU KNOW, SET THESE POLICIES, UH, ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR THE CITY.

THAT THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING.

BUT CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO DO, UH, WHATEVER IT WANTS, .

SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE, BUT IT, FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE? SO IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED IT WAS A ORDINANCE, OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE PASSAGE OF LAW VERSUS A RESOLUTION MIGHT BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

ORDINANCE HAS MORE FORMALITY THAN A RESOLUTION.

YES, SIR.

AND YOU GET ONE READING INSTEAD OF TWO.

SO I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO RETAIN THE POWER OF THE HANDBOOK OR HAND IT OFF TO CITY MANAGER TO LET THEM RUN THE POLICY AND PROCEDURES OF THE CITY? THAT'S KIND OF THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YES.

OKAY.

I'M ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE, YEAH.

OKAY.

PERFECT.

YES.

AND THEN ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT ALREADY IN THE HANDBOOK IS THE PROVISION THAT MANAGER, YOU'RE BASICALLY A KING'S X.

YES.

THE MANAGER CAN ALREADY WAIVE ANY PROVISION IN THE HANDBOOK ALREADY AS IT'S WRITTEN.

AND I'M ACCUSTOMED TO THAT BEING THERE AS WELL, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF FLEXIBILITY SO THAT THE HANDBOOK ENDS UP NOT TYING THE HANDS OF THE MANAGER THIS TOOL.

YEAH, I, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW, UM, SAY WE HAND THIS OFF, SAY WE DON'T HAND THIS OFF TO THE WHOEVER'S SITTING IN THE CITY MANAGER'S SEAT.

MY UNDERSTANDING BY CHARTER IS THAT THE EMPLOYEES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTLY MANAGES OR IS INVOLVED WITH IS CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, POLICE, CHIEF JUDGE, AND CITY SECRETARY.

IF WE WERE TO BE IN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, HOW DOES THAT JIVE WITH THAT, THAT CONNECTION? BECAUSE LIKE WHEN I READ THROUGH THE HANDBOOK, IT, IT MAKES IT, IT MAKES CONVERSATION RIGHT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES AND WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.

SURE.

AND THEN THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A, UH, A PERSONNEL HANDBOOK SHOULD DO.

BUT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, SIR, UH, YOU ARE CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, IN THE CHARTER THAT SETS DOES, SETS OUT THE KIND OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND HOW MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL ARE SUPPOSED TO, UH, DEAL WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY, THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS THROUGH THE MANAGER, NOT DIRECTLY THROUGH THE, THE VARIOUS EMPLOYEES.

SO I, I, I GENUINELY BELIEVE IN DELEGATION, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BIGGEST LEADERSHIP SKILLS WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DELEGATE.

UM, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO INSPECT, FOLLOW UP, DO CERTAIN THINGS TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE THE RIGHT WAY.

SO IF WE'RE NOT WILLING, AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO ENTRUST, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER WITH OUR CITY, YOU KNOW, THEN I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT IF WE ENTRUST HIM FULLY, WHICH I ENTRUST, UH, MR. CAREY A HUNDRED PERCENT IN THAT ROLE RIGHT THERE, UM, I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT HIM OTHERWISE.

SO I THINK HE'S GONNA RUN HIS POLICIES HOW HE, HE NEEDS TO, TO RUN HIS ORGANIZATION, BUT IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE SEAT TO RUN OUR ORGANIZATION.

SO I DON'T WANT OUR PREVIOUS SIN, THE PREVIOUS SINS OF OTHERS TO CAUSE, UM, IN EFFICIENCIES WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION IS THAT'S, HOWEVER, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROBLEM IN THE CONCERN IS WE HAD IN THE PAST, UM, THINGS HAPPENED THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY KOSHER.

UM, HOWEVER, THAT THAT ALSO EXISTS WITH COMMUNICATION THAT ALSO EXISTS WITH US WORKING MORE AS A TEAM RATHER THAN, OH, I'M TRYING TO GET YOU FIRED.

RIGHT? SO, UH, I HAVE NO ABSOLUTE PROBLEM OF MAKING THE LANGUAGE TO YOU GUYS RUN Y'ALL'S ORGANIZATION HOW YOU NEED TO, UH, MY JOB IS TO GIVE YOU THE TOOLS THAT NECESSARY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT SPECIFIC PIECE OF IT.

UH, ON 4.6, 4.6 0.4 DETENTION OFFICERS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL LIKE DISPATCHERS TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICER.

WHAT IS OUR SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL MEAN 50 CENTS AN HOUR FOR WORKING NIGHTS, A DOLLAR AN HOUR FOR WORKING NIGHTS OR NOTHING? IT'S A DOLLAR DOLLAR.

YES SIR.

YES.

AND THAT'S JUST IN THERE AS YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE THE PAYROLL ACCOUNTANT FIRST.

SO THESE ARE JUST DISCREPANCIES I FOUND THROUGHOUT WHEN I WAS PAYROLL ACCOUNTANT TO HR.

UM, THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE, UH, THE JAILERS DISPATCHERS WERE NOT COVERED OR NOT COVERED OR THE DPOA.

UM, SO IT NEVER SPECIFIED THAT FOR THEM.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

I MEAN, YOU WORK MIDNIGHT, YOU HAVE TO GET SOMETHING FOR IT.

EXACTLY, YES SIR.

AND THEN UNDER, UH, DISPATCH

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PAY, THAT'S A DOLLAR AS WELL.

UM, FOR FTO THERE IS, I BELIEVE TWO OR THREE DISPATCHERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY, UM, FTO TRAINED.

UM, SO THEY CAN BRING IN AND HELP WITH THE NEW HIRES, TRAINING THEM.

IT SAYS THE AMOUNT OF EXTRA PAY SHALL BE AMOUNT EQUAL TO ONE HOUR MULTIPLIED TIMES THE REGULAR HOUR RATE.

SO WE PAYING, IT'S ONE HOUR PER THEIR HOURLY PAY.

SO WE PAINT THEM DOUBLE TIME TO TRAIN ON EVENINGS AT MIDNIGHT.

SHOULD WE PAINT THEM TIME AND A HALF? IT WOULD BE THE TIME AND A HALF.

IT WOULDN'T BE A HALF.

HOLD ON.

LET ME THINK.

I'M TRYING TO THINK.

I WOULD THINK IF THEY GET DOUBLE TIME, IT WOULD BE SO FOR EVERY HOUR.

SO ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE APPLICATION OF BOTH THOSE SECTIONS? YES.

OKAY.

THE, THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL GETS THEM AN ADDITIONAL DOLLAR.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, BUT, AND THEN THE FTO, THE FTO PAY, ALL IT DOES IS IT JUST GETS THEM AN ADDITIONAL HOUR OF PAY.

OF PAY OF THEIR HOURLY PAY.

YES.

OF THEIR, OF THEIR REGULAR HOURLY RATE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THEIR REGULAR HOURLY RATE WITHOUT THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL PAY.

AND THEN IF THEY DO HAPPEN TO HAVE A NIGHT SHIFT, IF THE FTO IS TRAINING, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY TRAIN THEM TO DO, IS DO A NIGHT SHIFT.

THEY WOULD STILL GET THE DOLLAR.

SO THEY GET STRAIGHT TIME.

THEN IF THEY TRAIN ON NIGHTS, THEN THEY GET, IT WOULD JUST BE DIFFERENTIAL.

YES, SIR.

FOR THE DOLLAR.

YES, SIR.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

YES SIR.

I GOT CONFUSED WITH THE TWO.

THAT IS MY BAD.

I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT .

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING QUESTIONS.

AND THEN THE VERY NEXT ONE IS UNDER, UH, 4.7 TO TRAVEL TIME.

THE LIMITATIONS, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE NOT ALLOWED FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

THE PROBLEM THEY GOT IS HERE IS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T TRAVELING, THEY WERE TAKING CUSTOMERS OUT.

SO DOES THIS COVER COVER FOR THE WHOLE DEAL OR JUST WHEN THEY'RE ON TRAVEL TIME? I DID HEAR SIR, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS THE CHANGE THAT, UH, THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR.

BUT UM, NO, HE CHANGED THE, THE POLICY WAS CHANGED THAT IT WAS PER THEIR CONTRACT, THEIR CONTRACT DID NOT CALL FOR THEM TO SELL ALCOHOL.

OKAY.

THEY CHANGED IT WHEN EVERYBODY STARTED POSTING IT.

THEY WERE, THE ALCOHOL BILLS COMING IN UNDER THE PIOS.

THIS IS TRAVEL TIME, BUT IT WAS MORE SPECIFIC TO ANY ALCOHOL SHOULD NOT BE PAID FOR BY CITY MONEY.

OKAY.

SO, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, THE POLICY EXISTED IN A FORM AND THEN A PREVIOUS MANAGER DID SOME THINGS GOT CALLED OUT ON IT.

AND SO THE POLICY GOT CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT FORM.

OKAY.

THIS CHANGE HERE BEING PROPOSED, WE JUST TAKE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FORM.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

'CAUSE IT'S UNDER TRAVEL TIME AND NOT, AND THAT, AND THAT'S FOR SOME REASON THAT'S WHERE THAT CHANGE WAS MADE.

OKAY.

IT WAS MADE TO ADD IN THE, THE, THE WORDS IN RED THAT YOU NOW SEE STRICKEN.

NO, I KNOW IT WAS PUT IN THERE BECAUSE I WAS ON COUNCIL IN THE NINETIES WHEN COUNCIL PUT THAT TERMINOLOGY IN THE PERSONNEL POLICY.

I KNOW WHO PUT IT IN THERE AND COUNCIL DID IT AFTER A, UH, TML CONVENTION.

THAT'S WHY I SEEN IT UNDER, UNDER TRAVEL TIME.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ON THAT ONE FOR CLARIFICATION.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALSO JUST A LIABILITY SITUATION.

I DON'T WANT CITY TECH CITY DOLLARS GOING INTO ANY ALCOHOL.

MY FIRM DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO ANY TYPE OF ALCOHOL PAYMENTS WHATSOEVER.

THAT HAS TO COME OUTTA MY OWN DIME IF I EVEN WANNA ALLOW IT.

UM, SO I HAVE A HARD TIME TAKING ON THAT LIABILITY NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, UM, FUNDING ANY ALCOHOL.

SO, UM, WHATEVER POLICY NEEDS TO GO IN THAT, THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO, THAT'S ON JUST ON LIABILITY, NOT EVEN ON YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALCOHOL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

DOES THAT NEED TO CHANGE MR. DOME FROM THE TRAVEL TIME, MOVE THAT OUT OF THE TRAVEL TIME AND JUST HAVE THAT STANDALONE.

I, I THINK THE CONFUSION IS IN THE LABEL OR THE HEADING THAT IS USED FOR, UH, WHAT WOULD BE 4.7, WHICH IS CALLED TRAVEL TIME.

IT, IT BASICALLY REFERS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING PAID FOR BY THE CITY.

AND SO IT IS JUST CALLED TRAVEL TIME.

WE CAN, UH, CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL POLICY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

BUT, UH, THIS PROVISION, UH, IS NOT THE ONLY PROVISION UNDER THIS HEADING.

GOTCHA.

YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE 4.7, YOU'LL SEE THE THREE, YOU KNOW, ELLIPSIS POINTS.

OKAY.

TO SHOW THAT I OMITTED ALL THESE OTHER, UH, SECTIONS THAT ARE NOT BEING CHANGED.

AND SO THIS IS, UM, THE, THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU SIMPLY IS THE PART THAT IS MEANT TO STATE THAT THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO PAY FOR ALCOHOL.

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OKAY.

SIR, I WAS JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE IT WAS UNDERNEATH THAT HEADING AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS TO BEGIN WITH.

YES SIR.

YES, SIR.

THAT, THAT HEADING, UH, CAN PROBABLY BE STATED DIFFERENTLY.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT, UH, TRAVEL POLICY.

WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IS AS LONG AS IT'S UNDERSTOOD WHERE IT'S AT.

MM-HMM .

OKAY.

UNDER 7.1, THE VACATION LEAVE, CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THAT PARAGRAPH? HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH CARRY OVER TIME DOES EMPLOYEE ALLOW A YEAR OF THEIR VACATION? UM, SO IF YOU ARE HERE FIVE YEARS OR LESS, IT IS 80 HOURS.

IF YOU ARE HERE FIVE YEARS OR GREATER, IT IS 120 HOURS.

AND SO THAT, IS THAT THE MAX YOU CAN CARRY OVER? THAT'S THE MAX YOU CAN CARRY OVER.

YES SIR.

SO MY FIRST YEAR, IF I CARRY OVER 80 HOURS MY SECOND YEAR, I HAVE TO TAKE ALL MY VACATION.

I CAN'T CARRY OVER ANOTHER BECAUSE YOU 80 HOURS, YOU'RE ACCRUING HOURS, RIGHT? YES SIR.

YEAH, YOU CAN ONLY, SO WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT AN EMPLOYEE CAN CARRY OVER VACATION? THERE'S A CUTOFF SOMEWHERE.

DECEMBER 31ST.

SO BY DECEMBER 31ST, I DON'T MEAN A DATE.

HOW MANY HOURS CAN AN EMPLOYEE CARRY OVER IF IT IN THEIR, IN THEIR CAREER? I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHERE I WORKED, YOU COULDN'T CARRY OVER VACATION TILL YOU'D WORKED 20 YEARS.

THEN WE WERE ALLOWED, WE COULD START CARRYING OVER UP TO SIX WEEKS.

BUT THAT'S ALL WE COULD EVER.

SO WHEN WE WERE RETIRED, WE GOT SIX WEEKS OF VACATION.

WHEN WE RETIRED, THE NEW COMPANY CAME IN AND CUT IT DOWN TO TWO WEEKS.

RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU CUT IT DOWN TO ONE.

SO ONE YEAR I HAD TO TAKE SEVEN WEEKS OF VACATION TO GET DOWN TO ONE CARRYOVER WEEK.

SO WHAT Y'ALL'S MAXIMUM CARRYOVER, IF IT'S THE YEAR IT'S 80.

SO FROM ONE YEAR TO FIVE YEARS IS 80.

FROM FIVE AND BEYOND, IT'S THE 123 WEEKS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, AS YOU'RE HERE LONGER, AFTER FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE ACCRUING MORE EVERY MONTH AND ALL OF THAT.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO THIS HAS TO DO WITH YOUR RETIREMENT AND STUFF.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONCE YOU GET YOUR 120 HOURS INTO WHAT I CALL THE BANK, FROM THEN ON, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL YOUR VACATION EVERY YEAR.

AFTER THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP BANKING HOURS.

YEAH.

ONCE YOU GET TO 120, YOU'RE DONE.

CORRECT.

YEAH.

WELL, YOU, DURING THE YEAR, I THINK YOU CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE THAN THAT.

IT'S JUST, IT'LL RESET TO YOUR ANNUAL ROLL OF A CAP.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND END.

YOU GOTTA TAKE IT.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WHAT'S GOING ON AT UTMB.

RIGHT.

THESE PEOPLE GOT SICK LEAVE.

THEY HAVE IT USED.

THEY GOT VACATION STUFF AND NOW THE STATE, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHO RUNS UTMB IS OUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY ALLOWED THEM TO JUST KEEP PUTTING SICK DAYS AND BANK DAYS.

AND THERE SOONER OR LATER YOU HAVE TO CUT IT OFF AND SAY YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THIS.

BUT AFTER THAT YOU GOTTA TAKE YOUR VACATION.

YEAH.

AND IT, IT'LL LET YOU DO IT.

IT'LL LET YOU OCCUR.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE MM-HMM .

MM-HMM .

BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD SO MANY HOURS.

THEY'RE UNFUNDED LIABILITIES.

WE'VE TAKE A YEAR OFF.

CORRECT.

A COUPLE PEOPLE RESIGNED AND WE HAVE TO PAY OUT ALL OF THESE HOURS.

THAT'S A CONCERN OF OURS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO NOW.

YES, SIR.

SO, SO I'M, I'M WONDERING THEN IF WE JUST STAY ON TOP OF IT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE JOBS I'VE HAD BEFORE I BECAME A PASTOR, THEY WATCHED MY VACATION TIME AND AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY CAME TO ME AND SAID, YOU EITHER NEED TO TAKE A CHECK OR YOU NEED TO TAKE A BREAK MM-HMM .

UM, AND SO IT DIDN'T, SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO OVER CORRECT REPORTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

YEAH.

AND WITH TYLER NOW OUR NEW PAYROLLS ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THAT CUTOFF TO BE LIKE, AND IT TAKES YOUR HOURS AWAY IF YOU HAVE NOT USED, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE NOT USED BY DECEMBER 31ST AND THEN, UH, 4.3 OR 7.3.

I MEAN, SO I, I JUST HIT THE BUTTON AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT.

IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, WHY'D THEY LEAVE? SO, PAUL PICKING THAT UP, LET ME BE CLEAR ON SOMETHING.

'CAUSE I, I WAS WITH YOU AND THEN YOU LOST ME.

120 HOURS IS A MAX YOU CAN ACCRUE DURING A CALENDAR YEAR.

CORRECT.

THAT IF YOU'RE FIVE YEARS OH YEAH.

FIVE YEARS OR OLDER MM-HMM .

SO HOW DO YOU END UP WITH A BALANCE THAT'S HIGHER THAN THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR? BECAUSE SO SAY I USE A HUNDRED, LIKE I GET RIGHT AT 120 BY DECEMBER 31ST, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA KEEP ADDING TO ME JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL.

UM, SO THEN I'D HAVE TO GET THAT BACK DOWN TO 120 BEFORE THE NEXT DECEMBER 31ST.

SO, WE'LL, WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY IS, IF YOU HAVE FOUR WEEKS OF VACATION A YEAR, YOU GOT THREE WEEKS UP HERE IN THE BANK AT THE

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END OF THE YEAR, YOU'VE USED IT ON, YOU'RE CARRYING OVER THREE WEEKS.

COME JANUARY 1ST YOU GET FOUR WEEKS AGAIN.

SO NOW YOU'RE UP TO SEVEN.

THEN YOU'RE TOTALLY, YOU GOTTA TAKE FOUR WEEKS OF VACATION THAT YEAR TO HAVE THREE YEARS TO CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR.

SO WHY NOT JUST LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF ACCRUED, UH, TIME YOU'VE GOT TO 120.

SO THAT FORCES PEOPLE TO EITHER USE THEIR VACATION DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR OR NOT ACCRUE ANYMORE.

ANYMORE.

RIGHT.

YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THEN LIKE WHAT I'VE MOSTLY, WE LOSE AN EMPLOYEE RIGHT.

DURING THAT KIND OF PHASE PERIOD.

NO, EXACTLY.

THEY'D BE LIABLE FOR MORE THAN 120.

RIGHT? NO, EXACTLY.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU KIND OF SEE.

SO IF THE EMPLOYEE DON'T, DOESN'T LEAVE.

SORRY.

YOU SEE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, OF COURSE WITH THE HOLIDAYS THEY'RE TAKING MORE, BUT IF THEY LEAVE BEFORE THAT, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE CAP, WE WOULD CAP THAT OUT AT 120.

RIGHT.

UM, WE WOULD NOT BE LIABLE FOR PAYMENT OF MORE THAN THE ANNUAL CAP.

THAT'S WHAT THAT SECTION SAYS.

YEAH.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S SAY NOVEMBER, UM, AND THAT EMPLOYEE HAS SEVEN WEEKS IN THE BANK, YOU KNOW, THIS STILL SAYS THAT THEIR CAP, THAT THE ANNUAL CAP APPLICABLE TO THAT EMPLOYEE BASED UPON THE YEARS OF SERVICE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT CAP IS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

I'M SORRY, MARK.

THAT'S FINE.

AND THEN, UM, 7.7 0.4 I THINK IT IS, OR 7.7 0.3 HOLIDAY.

THIS ONE THEY MARKED OUT UH, EMS EMPLOYEES.

BUT ON HOLIDAYS WE'RE PAYING EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKING THE HOLIDAY DOUBLE TIME.

CORRECT.

TWO TIMES THEIR HOURLY RATE.

UH, YES SIR.

HOLIDAY WORK.

YES SIR.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING FROM ONE, ONE AND A HALF TIMES TO DOUBLE TIME TWO TIMES.

I CALL IT TIME AND A HALF AND DOUBLE TIME.

Y'ALL MAY CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE.

YES SIR.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PAY EVERYBODY THAT'S ON SHIFT OR WORK.

REPHRASE THAT.

EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKING A HOLIDAY MONDAY MM-HMM .

UNDER THIS POLICY WOULD GET DOUBLE TIME.

TWO TIMES THEIR HOURLY RATE.

OKAY.

I WANT TO BE FAIR WITH THEM.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT AT HOME WITH THEIR FAMILY, LIKE THE REST OF US THAT ARE OFF.

THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS BECAUSE WHAT WE WAS SAW, WE SAW WAS WE HAD THE PART-TIME DISPATCHER WHO IT TECHNICALLY THEY, IT WASN'T IN THE POLICY THAT THEY WOULD GET HOLIDAY WORK TIME.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO ADD BECAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND WORK ON A HOLIDAY AND GIVE OUR FULL-TIMERS A BREAK, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

SO IT WAS KIND OF AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO COME IN IF THEY WANT IT.

I JUST WANT, I WANNA BE FAIR TO 'EM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AT HOME WITH THEIR FAMILY.

NO, ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WE, IF I PAY 'EM TIME AND A HALF OR DOUBLE TIME AS I CALL IT, AS LONG AS THEY GET IT FOR THE WHOLE 12 HOUR SHIFT OR EIGHT HOUR SHIFT OR WHATEVER THEY'RE WORKING 10 HOUR SHIFT, WHATEVER IT IS, RIGHT? NO.

YES SIR.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

OKAY.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

AND THEN, UM, I GUESS THE NEXT ONE DOWN THERE, UH, UNDERNEATH ALL THE HOLIDAYS THAT'S IN RED, EMPLOYEES WHO WORK JAILERS DETENTION OFFICERS AND DISPATCHERS WILL BE COMPENSATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HOLIDAY PAY SCHEDULE UTILIZED BY POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH WOULD BE THE DOUBLE TIME.

WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME.

YES SIR.

AND THAT'S ALSO GOING TO COVER THE EMS TOO.

CORRECT.

OR THEY'RE JUST BEING COVERED BY THE SAME DEAL AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

SO BECAUSE WE TOOK A, WELL, WE MARKED OUT EMS, WE JUST SAID EMPLOYEES.

I DON'T WANNA FORGET THEM.

THEY'RE WORKING, THEY'RE WORKING 20, 24 HOURS.

SO ARE WE GOING TO PAY THEM HOLIDAY THEY PAY TOO? SO FOR THE EMS IS, SO WITH THE EMS WHERE IT GOT REMOVED AT THE TOP AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JAILER'S DETENTIONS, THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WANTED TO PUT IN THERE.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REST.

NIM CAN YOU HELP ME OUT WITH THAT? BECAUSE MY, MY CONCERN WAS MAINLY THE PART-TIME DISPATCHERS 'CAUSE THEY TECHNICALLY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE HOLIDAY WORKED.

UM, SO CAN, SO THIS CHANGE IS JUST TO, UH, INCLUDE THE, UH, JAILERS AND DETENTION OFFICERS, UH, OR DISPATCHERS SLASH UH, TELECOMMUNICATORS, UH, SO THAT THEY WOULD BE TREATED OR BE PAID IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SAME HOLIDAY PAY SCHEDULE AS THE POLICE OFFICERS UNDER THE CBA.

UH, WHEN THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT, UH, SO IN THAT IS IN THIS SECTION.

AND THAT TECHNICALLY MEANS, SO LIKE THE OFFICERS WILL WORK THE ACTUAL HOLIDAY.

SO IF WE HAVE

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A HOLIDAY THAT FALLS ON A SATURDAY, OF COURSE PEOPLE IN CITY HALL ARE NOT WORKING THAT DAY, BUT THE POLICE OFFICERS GET THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST MAKING IT WHERE THE JAILERS DISPATCHERS GET THAT HOLIDAY AS THE POLICE OFFICER IS NOT LIKE WHAT WE WOULD GET FOR YOU OFFICE PEOPLE YOU GET EITHER MONDAY OR FRIDAY.

OR FRIDAY.

YES SIR.

YES.

FOR THOSE THAT HAVE TO WORK THE FIELD, THEY GET DAY OF THE HOLIDAY BE THE HOLIDAY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

MM-HMM .

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL GET PAID THE SAME.

NO.

YES SIR.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SAYING.

IF MAC GETS DOUBLE TIME, THEN CHASE GETS DOUBLE TIME.

RIGHT.

AND I'M GONNA PICK ON THEM.

'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GETTING NONE OF IT.

THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE GRAVY.

BUT THAT GUY THAT HAS TO BE ON THE, THAT HAS TO BE IN THE PATROL CAR OR IN THE DISPATCHER.

MM-HMM .

OR IN THE JAIL OR ON THE AMBULANCE.

YES SIR.

IF ONE GETS DOUBLE TIME, THEY'RE ALL GETTING DOUBLE TIME, RIGHT? YES SIR.

CORRECT.

ABSOLUTELY.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

I WANT EVERYBODY TO TREATED FAIRLY.

THAT HAS TO WORK.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I CAME FROM FIRE AND PD SERVICE, SO I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT.

YEAH.

I'VE BEEN TOLD BEFORE TO TAKE MY HOURLY HAT OFF AND PUT MY SALARY ONE ON, BUT SOMETIMES I CAN'T DO IT.

I, I THINK NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO MENTION THAT.

I ACTUALLY MISSTATED SOMETHING EARLIER WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE COLA AND THE MERIT BASED PAY AND IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME, I REFERRED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WERE SWORN OFFICERS THAT WERE PART OF THE BARGAINING UNIT THAT ARE COVERED BY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

THERE ARE NON-SWORN EMPLOYEES OVER THERE, LIKE 15 OR SO, AND THE TELECOMMUNICATORS AND THE CAPTAINS AND THE CHIEF WHO ARE NOT COVERED BY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.

I JUST WANTED TO, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN THIS UP TO, TO GET SOME PARODY WITH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE LISTENING UP, YOU KNOW, AT HOME.

I MISSPOKE.

I JUST, JUST READING THROUGH IT, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS I WANNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T, I IT DOESN'T, WHETHER THEY DOUBLE TIME OR OR TIME AND A HALF DOUBLE TIME'S NICER FOR 'EM, I'LL GIVE 'EM THAT.

UH, IF I WAS WORKING, I'D WANT DOUBLE TIME OVERTIME AND A HALF.

BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKING GETS IT RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY.

MAYOR.

YES SIR.

I WANNA UM, GO BACK TO A STATEMENT NIM MADE EARLIER, UH, THAT THE CITY MANAGER BASICALLY GETS CARTE BLANCHE TO MAKE AMENDMENTS OR WHATEVER TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY.

SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE VALUE OF COUNSEL ADOPTING A RESOLUTION OR OF THE POLICY IF, IF YOUR STATEMENT IS TRUE.

EXACTLY WHAT STATEMENT ARE YOU ASKING IF IT'S TRUE? I THINK YOU MADE, UM, ARE YOU, THAT THE CITY MANAGER AT SOME POINT COULD MAKE A CHANGE TO THE POLICY WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL? IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT'S WHAT I GATHERED FROM YOUR STATEMENT.

AND ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SECTION TWO IN THIS PROPOSED RESOLUTION? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MY COMMENT REGARDING A SECTION IN THE EXISTING HANDBOOK THAT EXPRESSLY ALLOWS THE MANAGER TO WAIVE THE APPLICABILITY OF ANY PROVISION IN THE HANDBOOK? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

SO WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? WHETHER THAT THAT SECTION EXISTS.

WHAT THE QUESTION IS IS IF HE CAN MAKE A CHANGE, LET'S NOT MAKE A CHANGE.

OKAY.

IT'S WAIVE THE APP APPLICABILITY OF, OF ANY OF THE PROVISIONS, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM MAKING A CHANGE, LIKE MAKING A NEW RULE AND STUFF.

BUT HE, HE CAN ABSOLUTELY, THE, THE MANAGER CAN WAIVE, UH, THE APPLICABILITY OF ANY OF THE PROVISIONS IN THE HANDBOOK.

SO HE CANNOT CHANGE THE HANDBOOK ITSELF.

RIGHT.

HE ONLY THING HE CAN DO IS SAY, HEY, THIS SITUATION CALLS FOR, WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPLY THIS SPECIFIC POLICY.

RIGHT.

IF IT HE DEEMS IT FIT.

OKAY.

SO THAT IT ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT I, 'CAUSE THE THING I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT WAS THE SAME THING YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT IS LIKE, WHY ARE WE DOING ANY OF THIS? WHY DON'T WE JUST LET HIM WRITE THE, YOU KNOW, FINISH CHANGE IT AND WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT? SO THAT, THAT CLEARS EVERYTHING UP FOR ME TOO AS WELL.

SO, UM, OKAY, SO I, AND I AND I OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T GET THE WHOLE POLICY.

WE GOT WHAT WAS CHANGED.

BUT I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION.

MONDAY'S A HOLIDAY.

SO DO WE CHANGE, I AT ONE TIME IT SEEMED LIKE BECAUSE Y'ALL WORK NINE, YOU WORK FOUR NINES AND A FOUR, THEY WOULD SWAP THE HOUR.

SO LIKE GOOD FRIDAY.

SO YOU WOULD GET PAID FOR EIGHT HOURS, THEN THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING DURING THE WEEK.

DO Y'ALL STILL

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DO THAT? OR DO YOU GET NINE HOURS OF HOLIDAY PAY ON MONDAY AND ON GOOD FRIDAY YOU GET FOUR 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU WORK.

SO SOONER OR LATER IT'S GOING TO EQUAL OUT.

'CAUSE NOT ALL HOLIDAYS FALL ON FRIDAY AND NOT ALL OF 'EM FALL ON MONDAY.

RIGHT.

SO CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE GOOD FRIDAY, WE WOULD TECHNICALLY YOU COULD PUT, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD.

YOU COULD PUT NINE HOURS FOR THE FRIDAY OR WHATEVER AND THEN YOU COULD PUT THAT YOU ONLY WORKED FOUR HOURS THURSDAY.

'CAUSE WE CLOSED EARLY ON THURSDAY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

I WAS FIXING IT WHEN YOU GOT THROUGH.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

SO TO ME MM-HMM .

HOLIDAY FALLS ON FRIDAY.

ON MONDAY, EVERYBODY'S OFF.

IT'S NINE HOURS.

RIGHT.

TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY.

AND IF IT FALLS ON FRIDAY AND THAT'S YOUR FOUR HOUR DAY, EVERYBODY GETS FOUR HOURS.

YOU STILL GOT YOUR 40 HOURS.

BUT OUR OFFICE IS OPEN TILL 12 ALL WEEK.

YES SIR.

BECAUSE IF YOU CLOSE AT NOON ON THURSDAY, THEN YOU CAN ONLY DO ON THAT ON GOOD FRIDAY WEEK OR WHICHEVER HOLIDAY FALLS ON FRIDAY.

IT COULD BE 4TH OF JULY.

MM-HMM .

YOU ONLY GET TO TAKE CARE OF CITY BUSINESS MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDNESDAY UNTIL NOON ON THURSDAY.

YES SIR.

CURRENTLY, YES SIR.

WHEN WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T THIS BE SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU SAID IT WOULD ALL EVEN OUT SIMILAR TO WORKING ON A DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME, YOU'RE GONNA WORK AN EXTRA HOUR ON THAT SHIFT AND THEN WHEN YOU SPRING FORWARD, YOU'RE GONNA WORK ONE HOUR LESS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL DO IT.

WE GOT TIME AND A HALF FOR THAT ONE HOUR.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, WE LOST AN, WE LOST AN I'S PAY WHEN WE LOST THE I.

YEAH.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING THAT HERE ARE WE? I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, IT JUST WORKS OUT.

IT'S A SITUATION WHERE, HEY, YOU, YOU GET THIS ONE AND YOU AND YOU'RE GONNA GIVE UP THAT ONE.

RIGHT.

IT EQUALS OUT.

IT'S, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME HOW YOU EXACTLY.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PET PEEVE THAT WE SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN ON THURSDAY BECAUSE FRIDAY'S A HOLIDAY.

SO WE SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN ON THURSDAY.

IF I'M GONNA GIVE YOU NINE HOURS ON MONDAY, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY, YOU'RE STILL GETTING YOUR, YOU'RE STILL GETTING ALL YOUR VACATION, YOU'RE STILL GETTING ALL YOUR HOLIDAY HOURS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

I'M NOT CUTTING YOU OUTTA ANYTHING.

IF I WAS BEATING YOU OUTTA SOMETHING, THEN I WOULD WORRY ABOUT IT.

BUT I THINK YOU COME OUT AHEAD WITH YOUR HOLIDAYS FALLING ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY FOR A GOOD FRIDAY OR, OR WHEN SOMETHING ELSE FALLS.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR A DIFFERENT DAY.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION OR NO, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION.

RIGHT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? GOT A SECOND.

FROM COUNCIL MEMBER TOWN.

UH, FROM COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDS.

UH, AND NO MORE DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALRIGHT.

SEVEN D UH, OR NO, SORRY.

SEVEN E

[7.E. RESOLUTION XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a resolution to allow members of the City Council to serve as a volunteer for any organization that protects the health, safety, or welfare of the City of Dickinson. (Townsend)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE AS A VOLUNTEER FOR ANY ORGANIZATION THAT PROTECTS THE HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

THIS ONE'S MINE AGAIN, AT TML AND HOUSTON.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

A.

ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION? NOPE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALL RIGHT.

SEVEN

[7.F. Consideration and possible action to direct staff to initiate a text amendment to the Unified Development Code to remove all provisions regarding registration of nonconforming uses or structures (Edmonds)]

F CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO INITIATE A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REMOVE ALL PROVISIONS REGARDING REGISTRATION OF NON-CONFORMING USES OR STRUCTURES.

I SO MOVE.

GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO I GOT A SECOND? SECOND.

ALRIGHT.

WHAT, WHAT DO WE GOT? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS ABOUT THIS? SO, UNDER THE UDC, YOU HAD TO REGISTER THAT I HAD A NON-CONFORMING HOUSE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO MESS WITH IT ANYMORE FOR EVERYBODY IN THE CITY.

SO, NON-CONFORMING REGISTRATION IS NOT REQUIRED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES OR STRUCTURES.

NON-RESIDENTIAL.

CORRECT.

BUT RESIDENTIAL, IT STILL IS.

THIS WILL TAKE THAT AWAY.

RIGHT? I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF MY HOUSE HAD BEEN REZONED, THEN I HAD, I HAD A YEAR OR WHATEVER.

JUST, JUST GO WITH THE YEAR AND MAKE IT EASY.

IT IS.

I HAD TO REGISTER IT AS A NON-CONFORMING OR ELSE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD.

I WAS GONNA HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT WAS NON-CONFORMING WHEN I GO TO SELL IT OR SOMETHING.

YES.

AND SO THE, THE NON-CONFORMING PROVISION IN A UDC, UH, ACTUALLY EXISTS TO PROTECT THAT PROPERTY OWNER.

WE CAN TAKE AWAY, I, AND THIS IS CERTAINLY COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE

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TO DO WHATEVER, BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING THAT PROVISION IN THERE IS TO TELL, UH, FOLKS THAT HEY, IF YOU, IF THE CITY JUST MADE A CHANGE TO ITS, UH, ZONING REGS AND THAT CHANGE MADE YOUR PROPERTY NONCONFORMING, IT ACTUALLY BEHOOVES YOU TO GO AHEAD AND IN THE PRESENT REGISTER THAT AS NONCONFORMING.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU REGISTERED AS NON-CONFORMING, YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NON-CONFORMING STATUS, NON-CONFORMING STATUS.

YOU ONLY GET, IF YOU CAN ESTABLISH THAT AT THE TIME THAT YOU INITIATED THAT YOU STARTED THAT USE OR THAT YOU BUILT THAT STRUCTURE, IT WAS LEGAL, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE LEGAL.

NOW, UNDER THE NEW RULES, THAT IS WHAT A NON-CONFORMING, UH, STATUS OR PROTECTION GIVES YOU.

IF IT WAS ILLEGAL FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN YOU STARTED IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, ACCORDED ANY NON-CONFORMING PROTECTION BECAUSE IT WAS ILLEGAL THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR THE CHANGES IN THE LAW THAT CHANGES SOMETHING FROM LEGAL TO NOT LEGAL.

AND SO WHERE IT HELPS THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THEN YOU HAVE A MECHANISM TO REGISTER AND PROVE RIGHT AFTER THE LAW CHANGE THAT YES, THIS USE I HAVE, OR THIS STRUCTURE THAT I HAVE IS ACTUALLY, UH, NONCONFORMING.

IT WAS LEGAL THEN YOU'VE JUST MADE IT ILLEGAL.

AND SO NOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR SYSTEM CITY THAT MY PROPERTY IS NOT PERFORMING AND, UH, PROTECTED AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HARASS ME FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN I NEED TO COME TO THE CITY TO SEEK A PERMIT TO DO SOMETHING.

AND THEN YOU START LOOKING AT MY PROPERTY AND REALIZE, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU KNOW, YOU ARE IN TOO FAR INTO A REQUIRED SETBACK.

YOU KNOW? AND SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE OUT THE, THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT SITUATION IS STILL GOING TO EXIST FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER.

WE TAKE OUT THE NON-CONFORMING REGISTRATION.

OKAY? THAT PROPERTY IS STILL, THAT PROPERTY OWNER STILL WANTS TO ARGUE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS NON-CONFORMING, LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING.

SO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THAT PROPERTY OWNER NEVER REGISTERED IT AS NON-CONFORMING TO, TO ESTABLISH THAT PROTECTION FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

UH, WHEN THAT PROPERTY OWNER COMES IN AND SEEKS A PERMIT TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGE HE WANTS, THAT'S WHEN, UH, PERMITTING STAFF IS GONNA LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.

UH, YOUR, YOUR STRUCTURE IS, UH, INTO A ENCROACHES INTO A REQUIRED SETBACK LINE.

AND SO, NO, YOU CAN'T GET A PERMIT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT LEGAL.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, FIVE YEARS DOWN, THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE THAT, OH, NO, NO, NO.

THIS STRUCTURE WAS BUILT BACK WHEN THE SETBACKS WERE SMALLER.

SO THAT'S, THAT PROPERTY OWNER STILL HAS TO DO THE SAME THING.

IT'S JUST HE'S GOTTA DO IT FIVE YEARS ON.

SO COULD, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING, WE SENT THIS BACK TO PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.

IS THIS SOMETHING WE COULD SUSPEND UNTIL WE GET THE CORRECT ZONING? BECAUSE THE THING I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS IF, LET'S SAY SOMEONE IS IN A NON-RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WE, BECAUSE OF A MISTAKE, AND THEN THEY GO AND DO ALL THIS REGISTRATION, AND THEN WE FIX THE MISTAKE, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WOULD'VE BEEN CONFORMING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

YOU KNOW? SO UNTIL WE GET OUR FINALIZED, YOU KNOW, UDC, COULD WE SUSPEND THE REGISTRATION? I STILL THINK THE REGISTRATION NEEDS TO EXIST ONCE WE HAVE THE UD OR OUR ZONING ORDINANCES TO WHAT WE ARE LIKING.

RIGHT.

IF WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO IT, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT CITIZENS TO GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO REGISTER IT MM-HMM .

IF THEY ACTUALLY WILL FALL, YOU KNOW, COEXIST.

OKAY.

I MEAN, IF, IF THAT, IF I'M MAKING ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO A LOT, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO DO AWAY WITH HAVING TO REGISTER YOUR HOUSE AS A NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THEY REZONED THE CITY.

I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THE UDC THAT COUNCIL DID REQUEST THAT THE REGISTRATION IS ONLY REQUIRED FOR, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES OR STRUCTURES.

SO ONLY COMMERCIAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL USE OR STRUCTURES, UH, AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST WAS NOT REQUIRED.

AND TRAVIS, WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE, UH, FOR FAILURE TO REGISTERING AS NONCONFORM? THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT, UH, NECESSARILY LAID OUT IN THE UDC OTHER THAN, UH, REQUIRING THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO BE ON THE PROPERTY OWNER AT TIME OF, UH, THEIR NEXT PERMIT REQUEST OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SIMILAR.

THEY'D HAVE TO, WELL SEE.

AND THAT, AND, AND I RECALL THAT MR. COPELAND BROUGHT THAT UP, UH, AND HE CALLED IT A SHIFTING OF THE BURDEN OF PROOF, EXCEPT THAT IT'S NOT A SHIFTING THAT IS A BURDEN OF PROOF THAT WILL ALWAYS BELONG TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

MM-HMM .

ALWAYS, IT IS NEVER THE BURDEN FOR THE CITY TO SHOW THAT, OH, NO, UH, YOUR PROPERTY IS SOMEHOW LEGALLY PROTECTED,

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NON-CONFORMING.

ALL THE CITY CAN DO IS LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY, LOOK AT OUR REGS AND SEE, OH, WAIT A MINUTE, IS IT CONFORMING? NOW THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.

AND IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE SAY, OH, IT'S NOT CONFORMING NOW, THAT'S WHAT WE SAY.

AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S NOT CONFORMING NOW.

BUT IT DID CONFORM WHEN I FIRST PUT IT THERE, IT WAS LEGAL AND IT'S BEEN MAINTAINED THAT WAY.

AND SO THEREFORE I HAVE THE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING STATUS.

A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING STATUS ALWAYS OPERATES AS AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE THAT IS UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO RAISE.

SO NO, THERE IS NO SHIFTING OF THE BURDEN OF PROOF.

ALL THE CITY HAS TO DO IS THAT'S A VIOLATION.

AND THE PROPERTY SAYS, OH NO, THIS IS WHY IT'S NOT A VIOLATION.

'CAUSE I HAVE THIS STATUS.

TELL YOU WHAT, WILL YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND? YY YES.

FOR THE PURPOSE OF, I THINK, UH, JUST I GUESS POSTPONING THIS ITEM.

YEAH.

TELL ME, WITHDRAW MY FIRST.

SO THIS WOULD BE A, UH, I THINK FOR ME, IS THIS A TABLE SITUATION? WELL, IT'S A POSTPONEMENT POSTPONEMENT, UH, AN INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT.

CAN THAT BE A, CAN THAT BE DONE? IS AN INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT? OR DO WE HAVE TO SPECIFY A DATE, UH, TO BRING IT BACK? UH, YOU DO NOT.

BUT REALLY HERE, IF THE COUNCIL SIMPLY JUST DOES NOT WANT TO TAKE A VOTE, UH, YOU CAN TREAT IT AS THE MAKE FOR THE MOTION, HAVING WITHDRAWN THE MOTION AND THAT FAILURE OR, OR THAT, UH, DECLINING TO TAKE A VOTE IN NO WAY FORECLOSES THE COUNCIL FROM AT A FUTURE TIME.

YEAH.

IF YOU GUYS DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA.

NO PROBLEM.

ALL.

SO, UH, I HAD, DO I HAVE A MOTION? OH, I DON'T HAVE A MOTION.

THE MOTION GOT WITHDRAWN, SO.

YEP.

YEP.

SO I DON'T HAVE A MOTION.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO,

[7.G. Consideration and possible action to name City Council liaisons to various boards and commissions. (Schick)]

UH, SEVEN G CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO NAME CITY COUNCIL LIAISON TO VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT.

OKAY.

UH, AND AND COUNCILMAN SCHICK.

I, IT WAS MY IDEA TO KIND OF COME UP WITH THIS WORDING.

UH, YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY ASKED FOR, UH, NON-VOTING BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ADDED OR, OR APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL TO THE DMD BOARD.

AND I HAD, UH, INFORMED THE COUNCIL THAT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 38, 53, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED.

BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IT WAS THAT PERHAPS YOU WERE TRYING TO DO.

AND, AND TO MY MIND, THE COUNCIL WAS CERTAINLY, UH, ALWAYS ABLE TO APPOINT, UH, INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AS JUST LIAISONS TO VARIOUS CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

I'VE SEEN THAT DONE BEFORE AT OTHER CITIES.

AND IF A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL IS NAMED AS THE LIAISON TO PNZ OR DMD, THAT MEMBER SIMPLY ATTENDS THOSE MEETINGS.

YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN, CAN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS WITH, WITH THOSE BODIES.

UH, THEY'RE NOT ON THAT BOARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY CAN HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, AND, AND, AND CHIME IN, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HELP OUT, UH, HELP MOVE THOSE, UH, THOSE DELIBERATIONS ALONG.

AND THEN THAT MEMBER OF COUNCIL WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND AT FUTURE COUNCIL MEETINGS, UNDER COUNCIL COMMENTS, CAN MAKE REPORTS ON, HEY, I ATTENDED THIS MEETING AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON.

THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD DID, YOU KNOW, AND BLAH, BLAH BLAH.

SO THAT WAS THE IDEA I HAD, SIR, TO MAYBE TRY TO ACHIEVE SOME MM-HMM .

SOME OF WHAT WAS THAT YOU WERE WANTING TO DO? UH, SO TOTALLY UP TO THE BOARD TO, TO THE COUNCIL ON WHETHER Y'ALL WANNA DO THAT.

WE HAVE TWO NON-VOTING, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ON THE EDC RIGHT NOW.

THE MAYOR AND MYSELF ARE ON THERE.

I WAS JUST ASKING THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, IF THEY WOULDN'T MIND DONATING SOME OF THEIR TIME TO HELP THESE OTHER BOARDS OUT.

UH, THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A NON-VOTING COUNCIL MEMBER ON THERE.

UH, WE HAVE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SAID THEY WANNA BE PART OF THE P AND Z AND, UH, WE CAN JUST DIVIDE IT UP EQUALLY.

AND THAT WAY WE GET FEEDBACK FROM THESE VARIOUS BOARDS AS WELL AS WE CAN LET THE BOARDS KNOW HOW THE COUNCIL'S FEELING.

SO LET'S, I ABSOLUTELY THINK WE SHOULD DO IT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO PUT ANYONE ON THE SPOT RIGHT HERE IN PUBLIC.

RIGHT.

LIKE, HEY, DO YOU WANNA DO THIS BOARD? UM, 'CAUSE I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT LIKE, WE NEED PEOPLE THERE AND WE NEED PEOPLE HELPING OUT.

SO LIKE, WE NEED PEOPLE SHOWING UP.

WELL, SO IF WE HAVE, IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, RIGHT? PLEASE.

COUNCILMAN EDMONDS HAS VOLUNTEERED FOR P AND Z.

OKAY.

I WAS VOLUNTOLD, BUT YES.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER FOR A BOARD? I'M ON EDC, SO YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO BE ON MORE THAN ONE.

YEAH, NO, I, WE, UH, WE NEED SOMEBODY FOR THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

YEAH.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO

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VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME TO BE ON THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT? SO THEN, WELL, I GUESS FOR NOW, SINCE WE HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ON THAT, WOULD THAT, WOULD WE HAVE ONE LIAISON AND A MEMBER ON THE, ON THE VOTING AS WELL? LEON? DON'T COUNCIL MEMBER ON THAT? WELL, HE'S TECHNICALLY I'M STILL ON IT 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THIS MONTH.

OKAY.

SO YOU'RE GETTING, OKAY, GOT IT.

SO WHENEVER, WHENEVER, UH, MR. DIETZ GETS SWORN IN, THAT'S WHEN I ACTUALLY ROLL OFF.

OKAY.

SO, UH, AND THAT'S RIGHT NOW YOU'RE, IT'S, HE'S SWORN IN Y YES, ACTUALLY, THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA, UH, JUMP IN AND, AND ANSWER.

UH, MR. DIETZ DID REACH OUT TO THE CITY SECRETARY AND REQUEST, UH, TO BE SWORN IN WHICH THE SWEARING IN OF A NEW MEMBER DOES NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN AT A MEETING.

UH, AND SO, UH, MRS. SIMPSON'S, UH, SEAT, OR HE CONTINUED TO HOLD THAT PLACE, UH, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS, AS HIS SUCCESSOR IS, UH, DULY QUALIFIED.

OKAY.

AND SO THE LAST THING THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN WAS, UH, MR. DETS GETTING SWORN IN.

SO, MR. DIETZ, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CAME BY AND WAS SWORN IN BY THE CITY SECRETARY.

AND SO, UH, MR. DES HAS NOW, UH, ASSUMED THAT POSITION.

OKAY.

AND SO, UH, SO MR. IS THAT, I'M JUST GOING OFF THE INFORMATION.

I THOUGHT I KNEW.

SO NOW, YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

SO ANYBODY WANNA BE A PART OF DMD? I WOULD CONSIDER IT, BUT I NEED TO.

OKAY.

THIRD THURSDAYS 7:00 PM HERE EVERY THURSDAY THIRD.

EVERY THIRD THURSDAY.

I AGREE WITH IT.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A PENDING.

SO DOES THIS HAVE TO BE VOTED ON? UM, THIS ISN'T REALLY, THIS IS MORE OF JUST KIND OF A HANDSHAKE DEAL, RIGHT? POSSIBLE.

IF THE BODY WOULD LIKE, UH, Y'ALL CAN MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPOINT, UH, MR. EDMONDS AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE P AND Z TONIGHT.

WE CAN HAVE THIS ITEM, UH, ON THE AGENDA AGAIN FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH.

OKAY.

FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, LIAISONS TO BE APPOINTED.

ALL RIGHT.

DO I HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, DR.

HOPE, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

WHAT'S THAT? HOLD ON.

NO, UH, FOR HIM TO P AND Z JUST FOR P AND Z TONIGHT.

JUST FOR PZ.

WE'RE GONNA TALK, HE'S GONNA TALK, LOOK AT HIS SCHEDULE.

UM, AND WE'LL DO THAT ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.

SO, MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE.

AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? I GOT A SECOND.

AND THEN, UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY, UH, OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED.

ALL RIGHT.

SEVEN H

[7.H. Conduct a public hearing concerning a request to amend the official zoning map from Auto Centric Commercial (AC) zoning district to Urban Transition (UT) zoning district for a parcel of land of approx. ±0.459 acres. The subject property consist of one parcel (163404) and registered address is 3532 Elm Dr. (Community Development)]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FROM AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PARCEL OF LAND OF APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR MINUS 0.459 ACRES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF ONE PARCEL AND REGISTERED ADDRESS IS 3 5 3 2 ELM DRIVE.

AND WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8 33.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UH, SO YES, THIS IS A, UH, REQUEST TO CHANGE THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, OF AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL TO URBAN TRANSITION.

UH, THE ADDRESS IS 35 32 ELM.

IT IS AN UNDEVELOPED LOT.

UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, PURCHASED THE LOT, UH, AND ACTUALLY, UH, CLEARED THE LOT OF TREES, UH, BEFORE, UH, CONTACTING THE CITY.

UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS GOT INITIATED.

UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT PUT A STOP WORK ORDER.

UH, THE APPLICANTS, THEY'RE VERY NICE.

THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.

UM, THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY NOT KNOWING THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, AND THEY WISH TO DO A RESIDENTIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SO WE INITIATED THIS PROCESS WITH THEM.

THIS IS THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE, UH, WHICH SHOWS THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS, THE CURRENT AUTOCENTRIC AND THE REQUESTED, WHICH IS URBAN TRANSITION.

AND, AND I PUT THIS UP HERE 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, TO SHOW WHAT IS GONNA BE ALLOWED IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT BY RIGHT.

UH, BY LIMITED USE STANDARDS AND BY CONDITIONAL USE STANDARDS.

UH, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY, UH, EXPRESSED INTEREST THAT THEY WANTED TO DO A MULTIPLEX, A FOUR UNIT, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THEN KIND OF PIVOTED TO A DUPLEX.

UH, BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT ANYTHING IN THIS TABLE UNDER THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE PERMITTED, UH, IF WE DO CHANGE THE ZONING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

THIS IS A PARCEL, IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE LOT OFF OF FM FIVE 17.

UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THE TREES WERE CLEARED.

THESE ARE CURRENT PICTURES.

OH.

SO THIS CHANGE, UH, DOES NECESSARILY REFLECT, UH, CONFORMANCE WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

UH,

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YOU KNOW, IT IS ALREADY A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BESIDES WHAT FRONTS FIVE 17.

UH, SO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE PRESERVED.

UH, THE ADJACENT ZONING DISTRICTS ARE ALSO SIMILAR URBAN TRANSITION.

UH, SO ALL FACTS CONSIDERED STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND PNZ ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS AROUND IT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THIS GUY WANTS TO DO A FOURPLEX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED IT'S, IT IS UP IN THE AIR.

UH, THEY, THEY PIVOTED TO THE DUPLEX AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WISE FOR A MULTIPLEX.

THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT THAN A DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SO THAT'S WHY THEY PIVOTED BACK TO THE, TO THE DUPLEX.

BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY I, I PUT THIS TABLE UP HERE.

IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING, UH, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN THAT COLUMN.

BUT IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ALSO ZONED URBAN TRANSITION.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT NON-CONFORMING USE, UH, TONIGHT.

UH, THOSE ARE GONNA BE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING HOMES.

UH, SO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THOSE CONTINUING, UH, TO EXIST.

UH, HOWEVER NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS, UH, IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, IF ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS NO USE, WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM TO ONE OF THESE ALLOWED USES IN THE URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE CORRECTING WHEN WE REDO THE UDC.

YES.

THIS IS AN AREA THAT, UH, THAT STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED IS WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING WITH THIS AREA.

IS IT GONNA BE THE, IS THIS IS Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION IS PUSHING IT TO URBAN TRANSITION? YEAH.

STAFF DOES RECOMMEND, UH, REZONING THIS PARTICULAR LOT TO URBAN TRANSITION.

YES, SIR.

YEAH.

I WANT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PLAN.

I DON'T WANNA CHANGE IT.

AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, WE HAD A WHOLE DIFFERENT IDEA FOR IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND WE'RE CHANGING IT AGAIN.

THAT'S, THAT'S SILLY, RIGHT? SO, SO TO GO TO A MULTIPLEX VERSUS A DUPLEX, DOES THAT REQUIRE AN SUPI WILL SHOW YOU.

OH MY GOSH.

OKAY.

SO THE, THE MULTIPLEX HAS THESE LIMITED USE STANDARDS, SO THE LIMITED USE STANDARDS, I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THEM.

GOT A QUESTION.

SHOULDN'T THESE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS? BE IN THE NEXT ITEM? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

LET'S JUST GET THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING GOING.

RIGHT ON.

THANK YOU, SIR.

YEP.

AND THEN, OKAY.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION, HOWEVER, I SPOKE WITH HER BEFORE THIS MEETING AND, UH, HER FATHER HAD MEDICAL EMERGENCY, SO SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT.

AND P AND Z, UM, VOTED TO OR SAID THEY WOULD, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

OKAY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO UNANIMOUS.

SORRY, I MISSED MY SLIDE.

TRAVIS WAS THE, UH, VOTE BY PNZ, UNANIMOUS.

DO YOU RECALL? I BELIEVE IT WAS UNANIMOUS.

I, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THE MINUTES.

OKAY.

UM, SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION PERIOD.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK.

I THINK THAT'S, IT SAID IT ON ONE OF THOSE SLIDES.

UH, THE ONE THAT HAD BRUCE HENDERSON'S PUBLIC COMMENT.

UH, I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

YES, SIR.

PUBLIC HEARING.

WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DONE.

WE, YEAH, WE'RE NOT ADJOURNING IT YET.

THERE'S A DISCUSSION FIRST.

YOU CAN DO THAT ON THE NEXT ITEM.

OKAY.

WE CAN DO THAT TOO.

SO WE'LL ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AT 8 39.

SO THEN WE HAVE

[7.I. ORDINANCE NO. XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance to amend the official zoning map from AUTO-CENTRIC COMMERCIAL (AC) zoning district to URBAN TRANSITION (UT) zoning district on approximately 0.459 acres of property located at 3532 ELM DR. (1st Reading) (Community Development)]

SEVEN I CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FROM AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO URBAN TRANSITION ZONING DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATE 0.459 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 5 3 2 ELM DRIVE.

FIRST READING, GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

I GOT A SECOND.

AND HERE'S OUR DISCUSSION.

WE GOT THERE.

IT TOOK A WHILE, BUT WE GOT THERE.

GUYS.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, MR. EDMONDS, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A MULTIPLEX IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TYPE A BUFFER YARD, UH, BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL DETACH, COMMISSIONAL, DETACHED HOME IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, UH, OR THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY OR EASEMENT.

UH, IT ALSO HAS A PARKING AREA, BUFFER YARD.

AND, UH, ONLY ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE STRUCTURE SHALL BE DIRECTLY VISIBLE PER THE

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PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

SO JUST LOOKING AT THE CHART THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, AND IT JUST LOOKED LIKE THE LANGUAGE WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PURPOSE OF A MULTIPLEX.

CORRECT.

A LIMITED USE PERMIT IS AVAILABLE, IS ABLE TO BE APPROVED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR.

UH, IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT CHECKING BOXES.

IT HAS, UH, THESE EXACT STANDARDS IN THE UDC IF THEY MEET THESE EXACT STANDARDS, UH, ADMINISTRATOR VERIFIES IT, IT GETS APPROVED.

WHO'S THE ADMINISTRATOR? THAT WOULD BE MYSELF.

ALRIGHT.

THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

WELL, I'VE BEEN ASKING THAT WHEN THEY DID THE UDC AND THEY COULDN'T TELL ME IF IT WAS THAT OR THE CITY MANAGER.

SO I'M ASKING AGAIN.

YEP.

MOST TIMES, UH, CITY MANAGER WILL DESIGNATE THE ADMINISTRATOR, UH, AT THIS TIME.

UH, SO GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THEIR INTENTIONS RIGHT NOW IS NOT MULTI, IT'S DUPLEX AT, AT THE MOST, AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THAT PROCESS EITHER, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, THEY, AND, AND I WANNA BE CLEAR, THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A DUPLEX, BUT IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO DO, UH, ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALLOWED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

SO I DID WATCH THE P AND Z, ACTUALLY, I SHOWED UP TO THE P AND Z LATE THAT NIGHT.

AND YES, AND I DO REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION.

I THINK IF IT'S MADE PUBLIC THAT THE INTENTION IS TO DO A DUPLEX RATHER THAN A MULTIPLEX, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE APPROVING FOR THE USE OF A DUPLEX AND NOT A MULTIPLEX.

I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS NOT A CUP, UH, THIS IS JUST STRICTLY STRAIGHT ZONING.

UH, SO IF WE DO A STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE, UH, ANY USE THAT'S ALLOWED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

SO DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR DUPLEX? YES, SIR.

UH, THERE, I I BELIEVE IT'S 1.5 SPACES, UH, PER DWELLING UNIT WITH THREE SPACES.

AND SO, AND THEN ALSO THIS, THIS IS JUST TO GET, CHANGE THE ZONING.

WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE ALL OF THEIR PLANS.

ALL OF THE YEAH.

THE PLAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT VERY FIRST STEP.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN APPROVED THIS.

SO THIS IS JUST TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN AT LEAST EVEN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT.

CORRECT.

BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO APPROVE, OR P AND Z WILL HAVE TO THEN GO IN AND APPROVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

RIGHT.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF STEPS TO YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH P AND Z UH, WILL BE INVOLVED IF THEY, UH, AFTER I'M SAYING IF IT GETS OUT OF OUR STANDARDS.

RIGHT.

LIKE IF ANYTHING GETS OUT OF WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING.

RIGHT.

IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW IT AGAIN, NOT ESPECIALLY ALLOWED DC? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

THIS WHAT THE UUD CS DID, IT TOOK EVERYTHING AWAY FROM COUNCIL AND THEM.

MM-HMM .

SO NOW IF YOU JUST MEET IT, YOU CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH UDC.

OKAY.

SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

WHEN YOU DO A ZONING CHANGE, AREN'T YOU SUPPOSED TO POST IT AND SEND OUT DEALS? YES, SIR.

WE POST NOTICE ON SITE.

UH, WE MAIL NOTICE TO ALL RESIDENTS WITHIN 300 FEET.

AND WE POST NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER.

I DROVE BY THERE SUNDAY.

AND THERE WASN'T A SIGN THAT SAYS THAT WAS BEING REZONED ON ELM.

YES, SIR.

THAT'S AN ISSUE.

UH, I WILL VERIFY THAT BECAUSE NOBODY COME TOPO TO SPEAK.

GRANTED, THERE'S ONLY 1, 2, 3, 4, MAYBE SIX HOUSES ON THERE.

AND THE REST OF 'EM ARE COMMERCIAL.

I'VE, I'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE FROM THE STREET, UH, APPROACH ME ABOUT THIS.

SO MAYBE THIS TIME WAS THERE AND IT, IT GOT KNOCKED DOWN.

THERE WAS NO SIGN THERE SUNDAY WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED.

THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IF IT WAS POSTED.

I, I UNDERSTAND.

UM, IT WAS INITIALLY POSTED, SO I WILL HAVE TO VERIFY IF IT STILL EXISTS ON SITE.

IT WAS 300 FEET.

I THOUGHT WE CHANGED THAT TO, OR SEVEN 50 THAT YOU HAD TO GIVE A NOTICE FOR PUBLIC NOTICE.

YEAH.

UH, THAT, THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE UDCI REMEMBER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

COUNCILMAN, I REMEMBER THAT BEING BROUGHT UP.

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

DIDN'T WE VOTE, WAS IT SEVEN 50 OR, I REMEMBER IT BEING 1,007 50 AND, AND WE SETTLED ON SEVEN 50.

I BELIEVE SO.

BUT WHAT'S IN THE UDC? IT'S THREE, 300.

YEAH.

SO THE OLD ZONING AND WHEN THE UDC WAS ADOPTED, ALL THOSE CHANGES PROBABLY WENT AWAY.

I BELIEVE SO.

SO, YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC ZONE, THIS SPECIFIC, UH, PROPERTY? UM, SO IF THERE'S A QUESTION ON NOTICE, I WOULD, I WOULD WITHDRAW MINE TO, TO HOPEFULLY TABLE IT AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO VERIFY, POSTPONE PROPER POSTING.

POSTPONE, POSTPONE .

COUNCILMAN HOPE IF YOU'LL WITHDRAW HIS STATE.

OH, THAT'S TRUE.

, UH, GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO VERIFY THE POSTING AND GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF THEY NEEDED TO SPEAK.

THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

OUTTA CURIOSITY.

I GUESS IT'S A LEGAL QUESTION.

WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY POSTS A SIGN AND IT FALLS

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DOWN? UH, WE WOULD APPLY THE RULE OF GOOD FAITH.

I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE SHOW THAT, IF WE'RE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE DID IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST FELL DOWN AND, UH, WE CHECKED ON IT ON A, ON A REGULAR BASIS AND IF WE SEE THAT WE STAND IT BACK UP, UH, VERSUS, UH, IF WE JUST FAILED TO DO IT.

I MEAN IT, I DIDN'T SEE ONE PERIOD NOT EVEN FALLING ON THE GROUND.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

I DROVE BY, I DRIVE BY THE EAST TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT EXCEPT FOR THE ONE, THE NEXT ONE.

'CAUSE I KNOW WHERE IT'S AT, , BUT I DROVE BY THAT ONE AND, AND WHEN I COME, IT CAUGHT MY EYE.

I SAID, THERE'S NO ZONING CHAIN SIGN HERE.

SOMEBODY COULD HAVE PICKED IT UP AND CHUNK IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD FOR ALL I KNOW.

BUT IT WASN'T DOWN BY THE STREET WHERE YOU WOULD SEE THEY WERE DOING A ZONING CHANGE.

THAT IS INTERESTING.

ASK THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS POSTED.

ALRIGHT, THAT WOULD ALL MY DEPARTMENT, UH, SO WE, WE GET A PICTURE WHEN IT'S INITIALLY POSTED.

UH, AND I, I GUESS I WILL START DOING A DRIVE BY THE DAY OF THE MEETING.

.

THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD PRACTICE.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT CONTROL.

UM, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS ADJUST OUR STRATEGY TO TRY TO ELIMINATE AS MANY ABSOLUTELY UNEXPECTED, UH, EVENTS.

SO, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU PUT IT THERE.

I'M JUST, WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE OR THE HOMEOWNER.

I, I ASSUMED IT WAS A HOME OR I ASSUMED IT WAS WHOEVER WAS DOING IT HAD TO PUT THE SIGN THERE.

YEAH, I, I, I HAVE SEEN OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT DO PUT THAT ONUS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.

UH, AT THIS TIME THE CITY HAS I THINK, LIKE 20, UH, PRE-MADE SIGNS, UM, THAT WE JUST, WE POST FOR THEM.

WE'RE GOOD.

SO I THINK I MADE A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

ALRIGHT.

OR I SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION PASS.

ALRIGHT, UH, SO THEN SEVEN

[7.J. Conduct a public hearing concerning a request to amend the official zoning map from Auto Centric Commercial (AC) zoning district to Neighborhood Conservation (NC) zoning district for a parcel of land of approx. ±1.336 acres. The subject property consist of one parcel (375913) and registered address is 4117 Gum Dr. (Community Development)]

J CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FROM AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO NEIGHBOR, UH, CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PARCEL OF LAND OF APPROXIMATELY PLUS OR MINUS 1.336 ACRES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF ONE PARCEL AND REGISTERED ADDRESS IS 4 1 1 7 GUM DRIVE.

BY THE WAY, WHOEVER CHANGED THE WORDING IN THIS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR NOT HAVING ME READ ALL THAT OTHER CRAZY STUFF.

? YES, SIR.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND.

YOU LIKE A 1.333.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT'S INSANE.

A PT NO.

ALL RIGHT.

ANYWAY.

STAFF PRESENTATION.

SORRY.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MARSH.

UH, SO THIS IS KIND OF A SIMILAR SITUATION.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL.

UH, THE ZONING DISTRICT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS NEIGHBORHOOD OBSERVATION.

SO LIKE ON THE LAST SLIDE, THIS IS THE CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE WITH THE, UH, TWO COLUMNS OF USES.

SO ANY, UH, USE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NC UH, COLUMN WOULD BE PERMITTED WITH THIS ZONING CHANGE.

THE, THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED THAT HE INTENDS TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UH, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, THAT ANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD BE ALLOWED.

UH, LIKE WE DISCUSSED.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, APPROXIMATELY THE INTERSECTION OF GUM AND FM FIVE 17, UH, SATELLITE.

IT SAYS ONE PARCEL, BUT IT'S FOUR LOTS, ISN'T IT? IT, IT'S, YEAH, TWO LOTS AND THREE PARTIAL LOTS, CORRECT.

IT'S ONE PROPERTY ID.

THIS IS A SURVEY OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY, LIKE MR. EVANS SAID, UH, PART OF LOT ONE AND TWO.

UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED.

UH, IT HAS NOT GONE THROUGH REVIEW.

UH, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY.

GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE, PLEASE.

MM-HMM .

75 BY A HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR SIXTY SIX.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM .

AND, UH, AS DISCUSSED, THIS IS, UH, A ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS ALSO EXISTS IN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, SO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE PRESERVED WITH THIS ZONING CHANGE.

SUITABILITY, UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS WELL AS P AND Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AND I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

ALL RIGHT, SO THEN WE'LL MOVE TO APPLICA, UH, APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

SO IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING AND WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE.

ALL RIGHT.

MY NAME'S CHRISTOPHER HARRISON.

UM, LOCAL BUILDER IN THE AREA.

ALSO GREW UP IN, IN DICKINSON.

UM, WE PLANNED ON, ON BUILDING AROUND $750,000 AVERAGE COST HOMES

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ON THE LOTS.

UH, BROKE 'EM UP INTO FOUR DIFFERENT LOTS THAT, THAT EXCEED THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR, UH, A REPL.

THAT'S BASICALLY IT, THAT THE LAST MEETING I TURNED IN, LIKE A PICTURE OF WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE BUILDING AND JUST KINDA LEFT IT AT THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THIS IS A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A SINGLE HOUSE ON THERE.

UH, SO THERE'S GONNA BE FOUR DIFFERENT LOTS.

SO THERE'LL BE A FOUR DIFFERENT HOUSES.

HE'S CHANGING THE ZONING RIGHT NOW.

YEAH.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE ZONING PIECE SO THAT HE CAN, YOU CAN GO INTO THAT RIGHT PROCESS TO DEVELOP THE, THE LAND PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE FOR US PRESENTATION WISE? ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I GOT PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYONE TO, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ON THESE PAPERS TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, SO NO APPLICANT REBUTTAL.

AND THEN WE WILL ADJOURN PUBLIC HEARING AT 8 51.

SO SEVEN

[7.K. ORDINANCE NO. XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance to amend the official zoning map from AUTO-CENTRIC COMMERCIAL (AC) zoning district to NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION (NC) zoning district on approximately 1.336 acres of property located at the Corner of GUM DR and FM 517 on Parcel: 375913. (1st Reading) (Community Development)]

K CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FOR AUTOCENTRIC COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSER CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 1.336 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF GUM DRIVE AND FM FIVE 17 ON PARCEL 3 7 5 9 1 3.

FIRST READING, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

I GOT ME A SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERN FROM COUNSEL? SO THIS PROPERTY ORIGINALLY WAS, UH, BEFORE THE UDC KICKED IN THE ENTIRE PORTION WAS, UM, ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

YEP.

UM, SO IT, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS, UM, WHERE I, IN MY OPINION, THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT HAVE PROBABLY HAD TO PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S INSIDE THE SUBDIVISION.

THERE'S NO ACCESS TO FIVE 17.

BUT, UM, THE, THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF THERE WHERE THE ROAD IS THE RIGHT OF WAY ACTUALLY EXTENDS WHERE THE LIFT STATION IS ON THAT PROPERTY.

UM, AND SO I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE OF HIS LOT ONE IS NOT LANDLOCKED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UM, W'S RIGHT OF WAY.

CORRECT.

THE SURVEYOR SET UP.

JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE, UH, GUM BY THE GUM DRIVE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THE STREET IS, IS NOT ACTUALLY THE IN TOTAL RIGHT OF WAY.

RIGHT.

THERE'S AN OFFSHOOT, THERE IS AN OFFSHOOT.

SO, AND IT'S NOT AN ABANDONED RIGHT OF WAY.

CORRECT.

WE PLAN ON PUTTING THE CONCRETE RIGHT THERE.

THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE I MIGHT HAVE IS THE NOTICE ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE SIGN IS THERE, BUT THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON THE SIGN.

THERE'S A QR CODE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY.

AND THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON THE SIGN THAT SAYS WHEN A HEARING WAS TO BE HELD, WHERE IT WAS TO BE HELD.

AND, UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY OBJECTION TO CONTINUING.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF 'EM HAVE THAT ON IT.

WELL, THERE'S, THERE IS A SPACE FOR THAT ON THE SIGNS TO AFFECT WHERE AND WHEN, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.

BUT ALL WE HAVE IS A QR CODE TO A WEBSITE, BUT THEY HAD A SIGN POSTED, THE SIGN'S POSTED, JUST DOESN'T SAY WHEN AND WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, LEGALLY, DO WE HAVE, WHAT'S THE LEGALITY BEHIND QR CODES? AND YOU KNOW, SO WHAT IS OUR OBLIGATION, RIGHT? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE LAW OF POSTING, WHAT HAS TO BE ON THE SIGN? IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT? SO THAT, THAT'S, I'M ASKING 'CAUSE I GENUINELY DO NOT KNOW.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO THE, THE NOTICE IS POSTED ON A SIGN THAT CONSISTS OF A QR CODE VERSUS HAVING THE DETAILS.

YES SIR.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DATE, NO TIME OF WHEN A PUBLIC HEARING IS EXPECTED TO BE HELD.

YEAH.

I, I WOULD NOT FIND THAT NOTICE TO BE SUFFICIENT.

OKAY.

SO ONCE AGAIN, AND JUST TO COVER OUR BASIS, RIGHT? DO WE POSTPONE THIS ONE UNTIL VERIFY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, I DUNNO HOW WE CAN CHANGE WHAT OUR SIGNS ARE FOR NOW? I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ITEM.

I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I'M NOT, THESE ARE THE, I GUESS THESE ARE THE SIGNS THAT WE HAVE.

SO, WELL, THEY'RE JUST NOT FILLED OUT AND COMPLETED.

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THERE'S A SPACE FOR THE INFORMATION.

THE SIGNS ARE NOT BEING COMPLETED AND POSTED WITH THE INFORMATION ON 'EM.

AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE ALTOGETHER.

I'LL MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD THAT THESE ARE , THE SIGN HAS A SPACE FOR MEETING LOCATION.

IT DOES NOT HAVE A SPACE FOR THE MEETING TIME AND THAT THE LOCATION IS POSTED DICKINSON CITY HALL, IT HAS THE ADDRESS.

LISTEN, LEMME ASK THIS QUESTION.

IF IT, IF IT WASN'T POSTED CORRECTLY, DOES HE HAVE TO START THE WHOLE PROCESS BACK OVER AGAIN GOING BEFORE P AND Z AND ALL THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSES.

I LIKE THAT BETTER THAN I DO DUPLEXES.

YEAH.

, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT POSTED RIGHT, THAT'S ON US MM-HMM .

TO BEGIN WITH.

SO DOES HE HAVE TO GO, I MEAN, THERE SHOULDN'T BE NO CHARGE TO HIM FIRST OFF, UH, BECAUSE WE MADE A MISTAKE.

BUT DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN WITH ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE P AND Z AND ALL THAT FOR HIM TO BRING IT BACK HERE SO HE CAN GO BUILD A HOUSE? SO THOSE REQUIRED STEPS, UH, THAT REQUIRED NOTICE FOR WHICH THE NOTICE WAS DEFECTIVE, THEN THOSE STEPS, THOSE ACTIONS THAT WERE DONE CAN NOW BE CHALLENGED.

AND SO YES, THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE OVER WITH PROPER NOTICE.

SO THEN WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE PROPER NOTICE? SO, LIKE I SAID, THIS GOES BACK TO THE OTHER QUESTION IS DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE DATE, TIME, ADDRESS, OR IS IT JUST LOCATION AND IT'S UP TO THE CITIZEN.

TO THE CITIZENS, RIGHT.

THE, THE PEOPLE AROUND IT TO GO AND FIND OUT THAT THERE IS A MEETING ABOUT THIS.

SO WHAT IS OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENT? 'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT WANNA WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME.

I AM NOT TRYING TO STOP SOMEONE THAT IS TRYING TO RUN A BUSINESS.

IF HE'S TRYING TO BUILD HOUSES AND MAKE A PROFIT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO POSTPONE HIM OVER A TECHNICALITY FOR A, A, A MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS.

UM, IF WE ARE GONNA END UP APPROVING THIS, WHAT IS OUR LEGAL BASIS? BUT THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, I GUESS IS WHAT THE QUESTION.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE NOTICE NEEDS TO STATE THE DATE AND TIME IN PLACE OF THE OKAY.

PUBLIC HEARING.

AND SO IF IT MISSES ANY OF THAT INFORMATION, THEN WE HAVE TO, IT, IT'S DEFECTIVE NOTICE.

OKAY.

QUICK QUESTION.

QUESTION ME? UM, YES SIR.

WELL, I'M SORRY.

I WAS JUST ASKING FOR THE FLOOR.

NO, YOU, YOU'RE GOOD.

NO, I'M SAYING I'M, I'M GO.

YOU YOU HAVE IT BUDDY.

UM, IS THE POST, THIS IS THE SIGN, THE ONLY PLACE THAT IT WAS POSTED WAS THIS PUT IN THE PAPER? WAS THIS PUT ON THE WEBSITE? WAS THIS POSTED ANYWHERE ELSE? UH, ALONG WITH IT.

YES, WE DO DO THE MAILED NOTICE.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE A PAGE, UH, ON THE PLANNING, UH, SECTION OF THE CITY WEBSITE FOR PENDING APPLICATIONS THAT HAS ALL THE APPLICA, ALL THE INFORMATION, UH, AND DOCUMENTS.

UM, SO I GUESS THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS DEFICIENT IS THE PHYSICAL SIGN, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES.

YES.

BUT IT WAS POSTED PROPERLY EVERYWHERE ELSE.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY.

UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE HAVE LAW LIKE OUR UDC THAT REQUIRES NOTICE IN THE PAPER, NOTICE THAT'S MAILED, AND THEN PHYSICAL SIGN ON THE PROPERTY, THEN ALL OF THOSE THINGS MUST BE DONE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT.

WELL, THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE INFO ELSEWHERE.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS MUST BE DONE.

AND THAT'S ALL.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OUR LEGAL OBLIGATION IS BECAUSE WHEN, LIKE WE ALL TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW, UH, AS, AS WE, AS WE HAVE IT HERE IN THIS WONDERFUL CITY.

SO, SO I SEE HIM SMILING BACK THERE 'CAUSE HE KNOWS WHAT'S FIXING TO HAPPEN TO HIM.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET BACK TO HERE? SO WE, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

WE WOULD HAVE A P AND Z MEETING NEXT MONTH.

UH, IT WOULD NOT BE BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 9TH COUNCIL MEETING, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE BEFORE THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING NEXT MONTH.

CAN YOU REACH OUT TO P AND Z TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING? UH, I COULD CERTAINLY TRY TO THAT SPEED IT UP.

I MEAN, THERE'S STILL, I THINK YOU STILL HAVE TO WAIT 15 DAYS.

IS THAT RIGHT? FOR THE NOTICE OF POSTING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE 30 DAYS.

MM-HMM .

I COULD DO THAT AND NO CHARGE.

DIG OUT.

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS TO BEGIN WITH.

YES SIR.

THERE'S, UH, ONE, ONE FEE FOR THE ZONING AMENDMENT.

SO HE AIN'T GOT A, HE'S NOT GONNA BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR IT AGAIN, IS HE? NO.

'CAUSE IT'S OUR MISTAKE.

ABSOLUTELY.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

WELL, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT DO I HAVE A, UH, I WITHDRAW.

WE'VE GOT A HOW TO DO, I HAVE A COUPLE MOTIONS TO WITHDRAW, BUT YEAH, I, I MEAN I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO,

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SO WE GOT IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, WHERE'S THE, WHO DID THE SECOND? I DID THE SECOND IF WE, I GUESS SO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IF WE JUST WITHDRAW, WITHDRAW THE MOTION IN THE SECOND AND TAKE NO ACTION.

IS THAT SUFFICIENT OR DO WE HAVE TO PUT A MOTION TO POSTPONE? WELL, IT'S NOT A POSTPONE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S VOIDED.

NONE OF IT CAN BE DONE CORRECT.

I I, I I THINK IT'S FINE JUST TO WITHDRAW THE FIRST AND THE SECOND AND THEN JUST TAKE NO VOTE.

SO WITHDRAWN.

ALL RIGHT.

NOT WITHDRAWN.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, WE HAVE NO EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION TODAY.

HAVE ONE MORE.

SEVEN

[7.L. RESOLUTION XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a Resolution of the City Council of the City of Dickinson, Texas, authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute an interlocal agreement with the Galveston County Health Department regarding surface water monitoring providing for the incorporation of preamble; authorizing execution of the interlocal agreement by the City Manager; and providing an effective date. (GCHD, Contract Renewal) ]

SEVEN L SEVEN L OH, NEVERMIND.

I LIED.

UH, THOUGHT WE WERE DONE.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGARDING SURFACE WATER MONITORING, PROVIDING FOR THE INCORPORATION OF PREAMBLE AUTHORIZING EXEC EXECUTION OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BY THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

YES, SIR.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION.

OKAY.

IT SHOWS TWO SAMPLES.

YES.

IS THIS BIO SAMPLES? THESE ARE BAYOU SAMPLES, YES, SIR.

COMING OUT OF THE EFFLUENT? YES, SIR.

I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY TAKE 'EM.

I DO KNOW THAT THEY TAKE TWO SAMPLES FROM THE DIGON BAYOU.

THESE AREN'T THE TRIBUTARIES.

OKAY.

AND IT 'CAUSE THE WAY A TACA HAD TO DO WITH SEWER PLANT, CORRECT? YEAH, I I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION WHERE THE DIS YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD TAKE IT.

WHERE THE DISCHARGE IS GOING INTO THE BODY, I'M ASSUMING.

BUT THE SAME THING, THE THING WE'VE BEEN DOING IS JUST A CONTINUATION.

THIS IS A ANNUAL CONTRACT.

IT'S $918 IS WITH THE COUNTY.

I SO MOVE SECOND MOTION.

MOVE SECOND.

UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL EIGHT EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION WE DO NOT HAVE.

UM, AND THEN NUMBER 10, FUTURE

[10. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

AGENDA ITEMS. DO I HAVE ANY THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS FOR OUR SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING OR NOT DISCUSSED? DO WE HAVE ANY THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS? NEXT MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.

NONE, MAYOR.

YES SIR.

SO CAN WE, UH, CAN WE HAVE AN ITEM TO CONSIDER A SCHEDULE FOR A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING AT FOR UDC DISCUSSION? THEY, THE LAST P AND Z MEETING, THEY SUGGESTED THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO GET SOME CONVERSATION BACK WITH COUNCIL ON DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON WHATEVER CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE IN UDC.

OKAY.

AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CONSIDER A DATE ON THAT DAY ON OUR NEXT MEETING TO CONSIDER A DATE.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL, NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A DATE TO GET IT NARROWED DOWN.

SO WE'LL TRY TO WORK THROUGH THAT FROM NOW TILL THEN TO ACTUALLY JUST GET EVERYBODY LOCKED IN AND THEN WE'LL JUST APPROVE A DATE.

YES SIR.

OKAY, COOL.

AWESOME.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY CRAZY ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE? IF NOT, UH, THEN WE HAVE NUMBER 11, MEETING ADJOURNED.