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OKAY.

ALRIGHT,

[1. CALL TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM]

WE'RE GONNA AHEAD, GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OR THIS, UH, WORKSHOP TO ORDER AND CERTIFICATION OF A QUORUM.

MAYOR TRAVIS MELO.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNNY SIMPSON.

COUNCIL MEMBER SEAN HOLT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MARK TOWNSEND.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT SCHRADER.

COUNCIL MEMBER BILL SCHICK.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN EDMONDS HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU.

[2. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

UM, ALL RIGHT, NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.

COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA.

I AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED.

GOT IT.

IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPENS MEETINGS ACT.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE.

DELIBERATE.

UM, I HAVE IT FOR AN ITEM.

SO IF THIS IS THE ONLY ITEM TONIGHT.

SO, UH, MR. WALLY DIETZ, IF YOU WANNA JUST COME UP IF HE'S IN HERE.

OH, GO AHEAD, WALLY.

DIETZ DICKINSON.

YEAH, I SIGNED UP FOR THIS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM.

UM, IF, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IF SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE RAISING MY HAND IF, UH, SOMETHING COMES UP DURING THE ABSOLUTELY LENGTHY DISCUSSION.

BUT PRIMARILY WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE, LIKE, UH, YOU GUYS TO GET CLEAR ON IS, I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADVERTISING, UH, WHAT I HEARD FROM THE LAST MEETING OF NOT RAISING THE TAX RATE, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DECIPHER THE, UH, WORKSHEET THAT THE, THAT, UH, CHERYL JOHNSON PUT TOGETHER, UH, ON THE, UH, REVENUE SIDE PARTICULARLY.

UM, HOW MUCH REVENUE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, IF YOU LEAVE THE RATE THE SAME, YOU'RE GONNA GENERATE MORE REVENUE.

AND HOW MUCH OF THAT REVENUE IS, UH, BEING GENERATED BY A NEW DEVELOPMENT? HOW MUCH OF IT IS JUST DUE TO INCREASED, UH, UH, EVALUATIONS BY CAD? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE REALLY LOOKING AT IS HOW MUCH ARE MY TAXES GOING UP DUE TO MY PROPERTY VALUES GOING UP? UH, EVEN THOUGH YOU KEEP THE TAX RATE THE SAME.

SO KEEP IN MIND THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT, AT THAT, THAT REVENUE STREAM.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS, IS YOU GUYS GOTTA GET THE STREET PROGRAM BACK, UH, IN FULL SWING.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE THE DECISIONS APPROVED A SALES TAX DEDICATED TO STREETS.

UH, AND I THINK IT'S BECOME MUDDLED OVER THE, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE WAYS TO DO STREETS AND, UH, ON MY NEW ROLE, UH, ON DICKSON MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME FUNDS IN THERE, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU GET BACK IN CONTROL OF THE, UH, THE SALES TAX AND DEDICATE THOSE THINGS TO STREET THAT MONEY TO STREETS AND GET THE STREET PROGRAM GOING, UH, INCLUDING THE DRAINAGE.

UH, WE SHOULDN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMITMENTS WERE AFTER HARVEY TO KEEP WORKING ON, UH, ON DRAINAGE.

AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE MANAGEMENT TOOLS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP, KEEP TRACK OF, UH, HOW, HOW YOU'RE, HOW WELL YOU'RE DOING ON THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE, DO YOU HAVE ANY KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS ON, ON TRACKING, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY LINEAR FEET OF DRAINAGE YOU'RE DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY CULVERTS YOU'RE CLEANING, THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS CARRYING OUT THE, THE WISHES OF COUNSEL.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, AND I WILL TELL YOU, TELL YOU, WE HAVE, UH, ALREADY HAD MEETINGS ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ITEM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE STREET MAINTENANCE, WE HAVE, UH, TALKED ABOUT THAT ENDLESSLY.

UM, MR. CAREY AND MR. MAGDALENO CAN BOTH SECOND THAT.

UM, SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A PLAN COMING TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.

SO, ALRIGHT,

[3.A Presentation and discussion concerning the FY2025-2026 Budget for the City of Dickinson.]

PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED FOR THIS EVENING.

UH, I HAVE MRS. CLARK, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR HERE, MR. MAG ANGELINO, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE.

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UH, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME, SO I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN, UH, START THE DISCUSSION WHEREVER Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO START DISCUSSING.

LET'S JUST JUMP INTO IT AND, AND GO FROM THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND WAS THERE ANY UPDATES FROM THE PREVIOUS NUMBERS THAT WE GOT? ALL THE NUMBERS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME OF THE DOCUMENTS WE RECEIVED, CORRECT? THE LAST MEETING, CORRECT.

NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.

UM, I DID MOVE THE, UM, VEHICLE REPLACEMENT INTO THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND, BUT THAT IS A NET EFFECT.

SO IT DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING.

YOU'LL JUST SEE THAT MOVED INTO FUND 21 INSTEAD OF IN THE DEPARTMENTS.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER CHANGES THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT ARE POSSIBLE CHANGES WITH EMS THAT I THINK MATT AND MR. ROBBINS ARE GONNA SPEAK TO.

AND THAT IS STAFFING CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

BESIDES THAT THERE ARE NO CHANGES.

SO MAYOR, WE CAN JUMP INTO THE, UH, EMS DEPARTMENT IF YOU LIKE.

START THAT OFF.

YEAH, LET'S, IF, UH, MR. MAGDALENO, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, I CAN DO THAT.

SO, UM, WITH HELP OF, UH, CAPTAIN ROBBINS, WHO'S NOW OUR INTERIM, UH, DIRECTOR, WE HAVE, UH, SAT DOWN AND, AND SOME GUIDANCE FROM OUR ASSESSMENT.

SO FROM A THIRD PARTY OBJECTIVE PROFESSIONAL, UM, CONSULTANT, WE'VE DECIDED THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO DO AWAY WITH THE TWO CAPTAIN POSITIONS.

WE HAD A FULL-TIME CAPTAIN POSITION AND A PART-TIME CAPTAIN POSITION AS WELL AS AN A LIEUTENANT POSITION.

AND SO IN STRIKING THOSE THREE POSITIONS, WHAT WE NOW HAVE IS ESSENTIALLY A DIRECTOR, AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, AND THEN ONE LIEUTENANT OR SUPERVISOR FOR EACH SHIFT.

THERE'S FOUR RESPECTIVE SHIFTS UNDERNEATH THAT LIEUTENANT WOULD BE A PARAMEDIC AND A MEDIC.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 13 TOTAL.

UM, WELL ACTUALLY 14, IF YOU CONSIDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, UM, TOTAL EMPLOYEES.

WHAT THAT NOW DOES, AND SOME OF YOU, MR. TOWNSEND AND, UH, DR.

SCHRADER FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS, WHAT IT DOES, IT ALLOWS US TO TAKE THAT LIEUTENANT, I THINK Y'ALL REFER TO 'EM AS THE 33 39 OR SOMETHING, RIGHT BY BY CAR NUMBER OR SOMETHING? YEAH.

33 9 9 33 9 9.

OKAY.

WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO TAKE THAT SUPERVISOR ROLE, PICK UP ONE PART-TIME EMPLOYEE AND CREATE A SECOND AMBULANCE.

THERE WILL ALSO BE DAYS WHERE THE DIRECTOR, WHERE, UH, CAPTAIN ROBBINS CAN STEP OUT OF THE OFFICE AND GRAB A LIEUTENANT OR ANOTHER EMPLOYEE AND, AND MAN A SECOND BUS.

AND IN DOING SO, BY PUTTING TWO AMBULANCES ON THE STREET MORE OFTEN WITH THAT STRUCTURE, IT SHOULD REDUCE OUR MUTUAL AID COSTS.

STAFFING A SECOND AMBULANCE FULL-TIME OR EVEN SHIFT, UH, DURING THE DAY WITH A, WITH A FULL STAFFING IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.

THE COST DOESN'T OUT, IS GONNA BE HIGHER THAN THE COST OF MUTUAL AID AND THIS ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY NOW, I FULLY, UM, BELIEVE THAT MIDWAY THROUGH THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE WILL SEE A LARGE, UM, DECREASE IN OUR EXPENDITURES AS A RESULT OF THIS.

IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO TELL YOU AN EXACT NUMBER BECAUSE WE, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT DAYS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SECOND AMBULANCE AND WHAT DAYS WE WON'T, BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU THERE'LL BE A SECOND AMBULANCE FAR MORE THAN THERE HAS NOT, THAN THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

UM, SO GO AHEAD.

YOUR NUMBER SHOWED 12 POSITIONS.

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING TO? 13.

SO THERE'S 13 INCLUDES THE DIRECTOR AND THEN 14 INCLUDES THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

THIS HAS A, HAS THOSE BOTH PUT IN HERE AS 12.

WITH THOSE, IT'S SHOWING TWO PARAMEDICS, FOUR LIEUTENANTS, FOUR EMT BASICS, 4, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

UNLESS I'M LOOKING THE WRONG LINE.

THE INDIVIDUAL POSITION IS THE LINE WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE BOTTOM.

LIEUTENANT.

YEAH, I, I SEE THE NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

GIMME A SECOND AND I'LL SEE WHAT, SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THERE'S CONFUSION.

GO AHEAD SIR.

CAPTAIN ROBBINS, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP HERE? THANK YOU, SIR.

IT AIN'T THAT BIG A DEAL, BUT I'M MISSING HERE.

HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE, AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE GUY THAT DID THE, UH, THE, UH, OVERVIEW.

AGAIN, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, WE BUDGETED, WE WENT TO TWO AMBULANCES TO DO AWAY WITH WHAT WE CALL 3 3 9 9.

AND IT WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ONE'S SERVING AS A SUPERVISOR AND THEN

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THREE MORE ON THE SHIFT TO GIVE YOU THE FOUR.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE STILL HAVE 33 99 AND NOT EVERY DAY, BECAUSE HE DON'T, YOU CAN'T GET ONE ON HOLIDAYS, HE KNOWS, BUT YOU COULD GET AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE TO RUN THE AMBULANCE.

SO IF YOU TOOK AWAY THE, WHAT WE CALL 33 9 OR THE SUPERVISOR MM-HMM .

AND PUT THEM IN A BOX AND YOU ALREADY GOT TWO EME TWO MEDICS WORK IN THE BOX AND YOU PUT HIM IN THE BOX, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE TO HIRE ONE EMPLOYEE.

WE ALREADY OWN THE BOXES, WE ALREADY OWN THE DRUGS.

YOU JUST HAVING TO HIRE ONE EMPLOYEE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO, AGAIN, I, I NEED TO CALL HIM AND TALK TO HIM, FIGURE OUT WHERE HE, I THINK YOUR QUESTION FIGURE 2 MILLION FROM.

SO LET'S, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY BUDGETED FOR SOME OF THAT.

YES, SIR.

I, I THINK THAT YOUR QUESTION IS WHERE, WHY IS IT SO HIGH OR WHY DOES THAT NUMBER APPEAR TO BE, IF IT'S STANDARD, AVERAGE INDUSTRY STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD IS ONE TO $1.2 MILLION A YEAR OPERATIONALLY TO RUN AN AMBULANCE.

SO YOUR QUESTION IS, WE, IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT HIGH TO CREATE A SECOND AMBULANCE.

THE, THE THE, WE HAVE TO BE, I'M MISSING SOMETHING BECAUSE IF I'VE GOT THREE EMPLOYEES THAT NUMBER AND I DON'T HAVE THREE ALL THE TIME, I GET THAT.

YES, SIR.

BUT IF WE WERE MANNING THREE EMPLOYEES THE WHOLE YEAR, I'M ONLY ADDING ONE.

I'M JUST MOVING ONE FROM THIS VEHICLE TO THIS VEHICLE.

SO FOR THE FIRST YEAR, THAT COST WOULDN'T BE THAT HIGH, BUT THE NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU FACTOR IN A NEW AMBULANCE, IT WILL.

SO YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THE COST OF ALL THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE SECOND AMBULANCE.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

SO OF COURSE THAT NUMBER IS NOT, IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

YEAH.

BUT I'M NOT ARGUING THE POINT.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE AMBULANCES ARE STOCKED WITH CHEMICAL UH, DRUGS.

THAT WAY IF THIS ONE BREAKS DOWN, I GOT THIS ONE TO GO GET INTO.

I ALREADY OWN THREE BOXES AND I'M ONLY RUNNING ONE OF THEM NOW.

GUARANTEED.

ONE WEEKEND ALL THREE OF 'EM WERE DOWN, ONE WAS IN THE SHOP, ONE BROKE DOWN, THE OTHER ONE BROKE DOWN ON THE CALL.

SO YOU HAD NO AMBULANCES TO RUN BECAUSE THEY ALL BROKE DOWN THAT WEEKEND.

I GET IT.

THEY'RE MECHANICAL.

I JUST, I I I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THAT, THAT GENTLEMAN ONE MORE TIME, JUST UH, 'CAUSE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HIS NUMBERS.

WELL, I'LL CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, PUT YOU BACK IN TOUCH WITH THE CONSULTANT.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WHERE THAT LIES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, THAT I'M ANSWERING YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION RELATED TO THE NEW ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

UM, WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT YOU WILL SEE A SECOND AMBULANCE IN SERVICE QUITE A BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING FOR THE LAST YEAR.

AND, AND I'D LIKE TO, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO GIVE CAPTAIN ROBBINS HERE THE ABILITY TO EXPLAIN TO WHY HE BELIEVES THAT WILL BE, UH, CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY.

OKAY.

YES SIR.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE, WE'RE UH, SCHEDULING TO HAVE THE FOUR EMTS PUT ON THE AMBULANCE.

WE HAVE ONE ALREADY HIRED.

WE GOT THREE INTERVIEWS FOR NEXT WEEK.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE OTHER THREE POSITIONS FULL.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE RELYING ON OUR PART-TIME PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HAVE THAT'S BEEN SHOWING UP A LOT, UM, TO GET THAT OTHER TWO CURRENTLY AT THIS TIME THAT WILL SAVE ON BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE OUR PART-TIME POOL PLUS GET THE, UH, THREE OTHER MTSS HIRED.

WE HAVE OFFERED, UH, ONE FOR THE FULL-TIME POSITION THAT I WAS IN AND UH, LOOKING AT BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER, HOPEFULLY HAVING HIM STARTING AND THEN WE WILL HAVE ALL OF OUR PARAMEDICS COVERED FOR FULL TIME.

YEAH.

AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN LIKE THAT IN A WHILE AND JUST UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND EVEN IF YOU MAN, TWO AMBULANCES 24 HOURS A DAY, 70 A WEEK, 52 WEEKS A YEAR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CALL AN OUTSIDE AMBULANCE.

I GET IT.

SO DON'T ACT LIKE I DON'T WANT YOU TO WALK OUT HERE THINKING WE BETTER NEVER HAVE TO CALL ANOTHER ONE.

'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

OUR WE ARE BUDGETING, THAT'S ANOTHER BIG DIFFERENCE.

WE ARE BUDGETING FOR THE AMOUNT OF MUTUAL AID THAT WE ARE ON PACE TO USE AS OPPOSED TO LAST YEAR THE BUDGET REFLECTED HALF OF WHAT THE MUTUAL AID WAS TRENDING.

YEAH.

IN THEORY, THE THOUGHT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN THAT WAS THAT IF WE MAN A SECOND AMBULANCE, WE CAN CUT THE MUTUAL AID IN HALF.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.

I THINK THE SCIENCE HAS PROVEN THAT THAT IS INCORRECT.

SO WE ARE BUDGETING FOR THE USE OF JUST, JUST TO YOUR POINT,

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UM, SIR, WE ARE BUDGETING TO CONTINUE THE SAME TREND FOR MUTUAL AID, BUT WE'RE HOPING, AND I'M BETTING ON WE'LL SEE THAT NUMBER GO DOWN, BUT WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IT TO NOT GO DOWN SO THAT WE'RE NOT CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN.

YES.

BUT WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IT CORRECTLY SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO THE CITIZENS.

BUT I DO EXPECT THAT NUMBER TO COME DOWN.

THE NUMBERS LAST YEAR WEREN'T REALISTIC.

NOT, NOT, NOT AT ALL.

THEY WERE, YEAH.

YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

SO JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, UH, A LIEUTENANT IS A SUPERVISOR.

YES, SIR.

LIEUTENANT SUPERVISOR.

DOES THE SUPERVISOR EVER GET IN AN AMBULANCE? UH, IT JUST DEPENDS.

SO IF WE HAVE THE TWO AMBULANCES AND, UH, UP AND GOING, YES, THE SUPERVISOR GETS SENT, THEN A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE CURRENTLY AT THIS TIME, THERE'S TIMES THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE PART-TIME PICK UP THAT SUPERVISOR THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON 33 9 9, THEY WILL MOVE DOWN AND GET ON THE MEDIC ONE.

MM-HMM .

WITH WHOEVER THE, UH, PICKED UP THE SHIFT.

AND THEN CURRENTLY IN THE PAST WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT THAT WE'VE HAD TO MANDATE PEOPLE.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE 33 9 9, THAT SUPERVISOR, YOU MIGHT HAVE TWO SUPERVISORS THAT ARE ON THAT SHIFT BECAUSE BOTH OF 'EM GOT MANDATED.

OKAY.

AND WITH BEING MANDATED, IT'S, WE'RE OFF, BUT YOU KNOW, NOBODY ELSE IS PICKING UP.

SO THEY HAVE TO WORK.

OKAY.

I ASSUME THAT Y'ALL HAVE TALKED TO LEAGUE CITY ABOUT, UH, HELPING OUT.

YES.

AND, UH, AND WHAT DID THEY TELL US THAT THEY NEEDED FROM US? WE DIDN'T EVEN REALLY NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

NOTHING THAT, THAT A AGREEMENT WAS STILL IN PLACE.

WE CONFIRMED THAT WE STILL HAVE AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

WE CONFIRMED THE PRICE AND WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THEIR UTILIZATION.

MM-HMM .

WHEN THEY'RE CLOSER AND WE NEED A MUTUAL AID, WE ANTICIPATE USING LEAGUE CITY.

OKAY.

SO NOTHING LEGALLY NEEDED TO BE UPDATED.

IT WAS STILL IN EFFECT.

WE JUST HAD, UM, SOME EITHER A POLICY OR A UNWRITTEN RULE OF NOT USING 'EM.

AND I GUESS CA CAPTAIN ROBBINS COULD SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS.

I JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE QUIT USING THEM FOR WHATEVER REASON.

THAT WAS, THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION BECAUSE THEY WERE STARTING COSTS.

AND AT THAT TIME, UH, JIMS WAS NOT, UH, CHARGING US FOR IT.

SO WE TOOK THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION, TRIED TO SPLIT IT AROUND, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ONCE JIM STARTED RUNNING MORE CALLS, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE, WE NEED TO START CHARGING SOMETHING ON IT.

AND, BUT IT NEVER WENT BACK TO SPLITTING ALL BETWEEN THEM.

WE'VE HAD THIS, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE RUN CALLS TO LEAGUE CITY WHEN WE'VE HAD HAD A COUPLE BOXES MM-HMM .

AND THEY HAVE REIMBURSED US FOR THE SAME WAY.

SO FOR RUNNING, I BELIEVE IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR IF WE GO INTO, UH, THEIR JURISDICTION PICK UP A PATIENT AND TRANSPORT.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S BEEN, I THINK WITHIN THE LAST THREE MONTHS.

I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN RECENT.

OKAY.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS DOCUMENT WHERE YOU SEE THE 12 THERE, UH, MR. TOWNSEND.

AND THAT IS, THAT'S INCORRECT.

WE UPDATED THAT TODAY.

I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT IT.

I, I, I, UH, NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S MY FAULT.

THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE 14.

THE NUMBER THAT'S INCORRECT.

WHERE IT SAYS, UM, AND THE LINE ITEM NEXT TO PARAMEDIC, WE NEED FOUR PARAMEDICS.

WE NEED ONE FOR EACH SHIFT.

THAT WOULD BE FOUR TOTAL.

AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 12 AND 14.

YES.

THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU.

SO WHILE WE'RE ON Y'ALL, LET'S GO TO THE, THE NEXT PAGE, UH, OR THE ON ONE PAGE THAT THEY HAD.

SO ON YOUR, YOUR, UH, FULL-TIME BASE SALARY FOR THE 24 25 BUDGET IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS YEAR.

THIS, IF YOU GO WITH THE 24 25 BUDGET WAS 5 95.

OKAY.

THE ONE WITH THE COLA IS FIVE 12.

THE VERY FIRST LINE.

YES, SIR.

YES SIR.

FULL TIME EMPLOYEE BASE.

MM-HMM .

AND THEN, UH, IT'S A GOOD MOVE TO MOVE TO, TO INCREASE THE OVERTIME FROM 50,000 TO TWO 50 BECAUSE I SEE THE SAME FACE EVERY DAY.

TWO OR THREE DAYS IN A ROW.

SOMEBODY'S MAKING OVERTIME.

WELL, THE GOAL IS TO CUT THAT OVERTIME USAGE.

WE CAN'T CUT IT COMPLETELY.

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

I GET THAT.

BUT, BUT TO CUT IT SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, AND I'LL SPEAK, LET CAPTAIN ROBIN SPEAK

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ON THAT, THE INITIATIVE TO CUT IT.

I'LL LET HIM TALK ON HOW HE, HOW HE INTENDS TO DO THAT.

WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S WENT UP THIS YEAR, BUT I, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A REALISTIC NUMBER THAN WHAT THEY HAD BUDGETED LAST YEAR FOR.

WELL, AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE REASON THAT I'M CONFIDENT THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BUDGETING FOR THIS, THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO NOT BE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY, UM, THAT WE'RE, WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE REDUCING AND STAYING BELOW THAT BUDGETED NUMBER THIS TIME.

THEN UNDER SUPPLIES LAST YEAR WE BUDGETED 17,000 FOR FUEL.

THIS TIME, THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING FOR 12.

THAT GONNA GIVE YOU ENOUGH MONEY.

I SEE A REDUCTION FROM 55,800.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ON SUPPLIES? I'M ABOUT THE FUEL UNDER SUPPLIES.

YEAH, THE FUEL.

I MEAN, YEAR TO DATE, YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILMAN, UH, MOST EVERYBODY ELSE WENT UP ON FUEL, BUT, BUT THIS ONE WENT DOWN.

YES, SIR.

YEAH, NO, WE PROBABLY NEED TO INCREASE THAT 12.

YOU SEE WHERE HE IS LOOKING AT MATT? I I DO.

I SEE IT ON CAPTAIN ROBBINS SHEET THERE.

OKAY.

I MEAN, IF WE CAN DO IT FOR 12, THAT'S GREAT, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE PRICE THAT GONNA DO.

THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP, SIR.

THAT, THAT FIVE GRAND SHOULDN'T BE TOO.

BUT WE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY CORRECT.

WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO MOVE THAT UP.

ALRIGHT.

JUST KEEP AN EYE ON IT.

WE, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SOME BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS IN A YEAR.

ANYWAY, BACK TO THE, UH, SALARIES.

IF YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, IF, EXCUSE ME, THEY'RE BOTH KIND OF LINEAR.

SO IF YOU'RE DOING THE, UM, BASE RATE ON THEM BASE SALARY, SO IF IT'S AT 483,000 AND IF WE USE THAT 250,000 YES.

THAT'S FULL TIME'S GONNA STAY LOW BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PAYING THOSE, YOU'RE PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE THE OVERTIME.

RIGHT.

BUT IF WE HAVE IT TO WHERE WE'RE STAFFING THE FULL-TIME WITH THAT AS A BASE SALARY, THAT OVERTIME SHOULD GO DOWN.

SO THOSE SHOULD FLUCTUATE BETWEEN THE EACH OTHER AS LONG AS YOU GOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

AND THEN, UH, THE SECOND FROM THE LAST DOWN AT THE BOTTOM CONTRACT SERVICES IS THAT, UH, WE HAD 60, WE'RE GOING TO 1 74.

IS THAT FOR THE, IS THAT THE CONTRACT FOR PAYING THE OTHERS? OKAY.

MUTUAL AID.

YES, SIR.

MAKING SURE, YES SIR.

ARE THERE ANY CASES ON, ON MUTUAL AID, LIKE WITH LEAGUE CITY THAT THEY WOULD NOT CHARGE US IF WE WENT IN THERE? WE WOULDN'T CHARGE THEM.

I MEAN, IF I RECALL THAT'S THE WAY IT USED TO BE YEARS AGO.

THAT'S THE WAY IT USED TO BE YEARS AGO.

AND YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN THAT THAT WOULD GO BACK OR NOT.

I THINK IF WE GET THE SECOND TRUCK UP, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH THE CALL VOLUMES BEING LOWER IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS LIKE THAT.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THEM.

I, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN I BROUGHT THAT UP WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO USED TO BE ON COUNCIL THERE, WHO'S IN A OTHERWISE, UM, IMPORTANT ROLE NOW, HE TOLD ME THAT WE HAD A HISTORY OF NOT PAYING AND IT WAS COSTING THEM QUITE A BIT OF MONEY MM-HMM .

AND WE, AND SO, UM, I DID WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WHAT, UH, MR. CAREY AND I HAVE BEEN DOING AND I APOLOGIZED ON BEHALF OF PREVIOUS STAFF AND I PROMISED HIM THAT WE WON'T DO THAT TO HIM, UH, OR TO THEM.

AND SO THAT PERHAPS, GRANTED THAT WAS JUST A CONVERSATION WE HAD, BUT PERHAPS THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

SO THE CITY DIDN'T PAY THE BILL OR THEY COULDN'T COLLECT OFF OF THE INSURANCE THAT THEY FILED ON THAT? NO, IT WAS, IT WAS A CITY, IT WAS THE CITY THAT, THAT THERE WAS, WE DIDN'T PAY YOUR MONEY.

THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT MADE AND WE WEREN'T HOLDING OUR END OF THE BARGAIN.

AND I SAY WE, I MEAN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO PERHAPS, PERHAPS NEXT YEAR WE'LL WORK SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT AS WE, UH, INCREASE OUR, UM, RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER AGENCIES.

MM-HMM .

I THINK WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE DON'T ALWAYS, THERE ARE PEAK TIMES OF THE DAY.

I LOOKED AT THAT GRAPH LAST TIME AND IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE LATE AFTERNOON IN THE EVENING SEEMS TO BE THE PEAK OF CALLS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE NOT GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT A GRAPH ON THAT.

OKAY.

UM, AS OF THIS TIME, UM, WITH THE 9 1 1, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE

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WHEN SOMEBODY'S GONNA CALL, UH, BASED OFF OF THAT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND DETERMINE THAT IT IT 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM IF WE COULD STAFF A SECOND BUS OR A THIRD BUS EVEN FROM 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM IDEALLY THE NUMBERS WOULD GO DOWN.

OUR MUTUAL AID WOULD GO WAY DOWN AND OUR SERVICES WOULD STAY HOT.

BUT THAT WOULD, THIS HAD TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION MAP.

BUT THIS IS WHEN WE WERE HAVING TO TRANSPORT SOMEONE.

OH, OKAY.

THOSE CALLS MADE.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT CALLS FOR SERVICE MAINLY IN THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

AND I MEAN, THERE WERE CALLS WHERE WE WENT OUT TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND CHECKED THEM OUT AND WHATEVER FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHEN THEY GOT UP.

BUT THE IMPORTANT CALL THAT WE HAD TO TRANSPORT SEEMED TO BE LATER IN THE DAY, WHICH WOULD BE OKAY WHEN YOU WOULD WANT THE SECOND BOX.

I DI I DIDN'T DECIPHER THOSE NUMBERS AND BREAK THEM DOWN INTO THE TRANSPORT.

SO THAT'S ON ME.

BUT I THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE A HIGHER CALL VOLUME FROM 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM OKAY.

BUT THERE WAS, AND I ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO A STRATEGY OF SHIFTING, UH, UH, AND TALKED TO CAPTAIN ROBBINS.

COULD WE SHIFT, COULD WE, COULD WE EMPLOY A SHIFT DURING THOSE HOURS? IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY SOME, AN EMPLOYEE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN AN, THAN AN A 24 HOUR SHIFT EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY UNDESIRABLE TIME TO WORK.

SO WE WOULD HAVE VERY FEW CANDIDATES THAT WOULD SAY, SIGN ME UP FOR A 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM 12 HOUR SHIFT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL INCENTIVE PAY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S WORTHWHILE, OR AT LEAST AT THIS MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IT'S OKAY.

BUT, BUT I DID NOT LOOK AT THE TRANSPORTATION PORTION OF THAT.

THE, WHAT THEY CALL THAT, THE, UH, UM, NOT TRANSIT, BUT UH, UH, TRANSPORT.

TRANSPORT, RIGHT.

TRANSPORTS.

YEAH.

I'M JUST THINKING THAT THAT SEEMS TO OCCUPY THE MOST TIME IN THERE ON ONE OF OUR BOXES.

BEING OUTTA SERVICE IS WHEN WE HAVE TO TRANSPORT SOMEBODY TO THE HOSPITAL.

IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, OUR NUMBER OF TRANSPORTS IS ACTUALLY RELATIVELY LOW COMPARED TO OTHER AGENCIES.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY OF THOSE.

BUT I, AGAIN, I DIDN'T BREAK THOSE NUMBERS DOWN AND I DON'T HAVE 'EM IN FRONT OF ME, SO I APOLOGIZE MR. SCHICK.

BUT FROM MY RECOLLECTION, THOSE NUMBERS WERE NOT VERY HIGH.

DOES A, UH, AND I KNOW WE GET A CALL SO WE, WE MAY NOT ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THE NATURE, YOU MENTIONED FREQUENT FLYERS LAST TIME.

UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT A SUPERVISOR COULD GO OUT THERE IN A VEHICLE AND TAKE CARE OF WITHOUT HAVING TO ROLL THE WHOLE BOX? WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE REALLY NEED BOTH OF THEM TO GO FOR TRANSPORT AND FOR BEING ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENT APPROPRIATELY.

'CAUSE IF THEY GET OUT THERE, OKAY, YES, YOU HAVE A SUPERVISOR OUT THERE.

OKAY.

BUT IF THEY'RE SERIOUS AND HAVING A HEART ATTACK, THAT JUST DELAYS THAT MUCH MORE TIME FOR THE BOX TO GET OUT THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENT.

MM-HMM .

AND TRANSPORT THEM TO THE HOSPITAL.

GETTING THE ACTUAL FACTS ON, UH, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE PATIENT IS VERY DIFFICULT.

DISPATCH HAS A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.

THEY TRY THEIR BEST, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

MM-HMM .

BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, UH, FOR DOING THIS 33 YEARS, THEY WILL TELL ME ONE THING IN BACK OF THAT AMBULANCE, AS SOON AS I GET TO THE HOSPITAL, THEY START COM AND THEY TELL ME THEY DIDN'T HAVE NO CHEST PAIN, NOTHING.

I GET 'EM TO THE HOSPITAL.

THEY'RE TELLING THE DOCTOR THEY'VE HAD CHEST PAIN FOR THE LAST FIVE DAYS.

SO THAT STUFF CHANGES.

AND SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR TO, UH, FOR DISPATCH TO STATE THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY.

I MEAN, YOU WALK BE TRUTHFUL.

YOU WALK IN THE DOOR AND THEY SAY, MY SUITCASE IS ON THE FRONT PORCH.

I WANNA GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

THEY'VE ALREADY PACKED THEIR BAG.

THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL.

MM-HMM .

SAY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SEND THE AMBULANCE 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TRANSPORT AND ARE, UH, RESPONSE TIMES ARE PRETTY CLOSE AROUND HERE.

SO GETTING TO THE UH, PLACE ISN'T THE BAD DEAL AND WE'RE VERY GOOD.

I THINK, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE WORKING CURRENTLY AT NOW ARE TECHNICIANS ARE VERY GOOD.

IF SOMETHING COMES UP, THEY GET A REFUSAL, THEY'LL CLEAR THAT AND THEY'LL CANCEL, UH, INCOMING UNIT AND, UH, RESPOND TO THAT CALL.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, EMS OR ANYTHING WITH ANY OF THESE LIGHT ITEMS? NOTHING ELSE.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, YOU CAPTAIN, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, SPECIFIC TOPIC THAT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO GO OVER OR ADDRESS? OR DO Y'ALL WANT TO GO LINE BY LINE, RUN THIS, HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANNA RUN IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO TO SPECIFIC ITEMS. IF YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S EARMARKED,

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WELL DO WE JUST GO DOWN SECTION BY SECTION? AND SINCE THEY'RE ALL LINED UP ON THE WALL, LET 'EM ALL YEP.

HAVE TO COME UP LIKE HE DID.

SOUNDS GOOD.

LET'S DO IT.

SO WE'LL GO TO DEPARTMENT ONE TO IT.

I GUESS THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS WHERE DO YOU GET THE NUMBERS? WHAT NUMBERS ARE Y'ALL GOING OFF OF WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT Y'ALL OR ESTIMATED REVENUE THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN? SO FOR INSTANCE, SALES TAX AND A VALOREM.

ARE WE JUST USING LAST YEAR'S AND YEAR BEFORE THAT AND BEING CONSERVATIVE OR DO WE HAVE ANY, LIKE IS THERE A STUDY OR SOME SORT OF ALGORITHM THAT WE USE? THE PROPERTY TAXES IS BASED ON THE CURRENT TAX RATE UNDER KNEW THE ACTUAL, THAT ONE MAKES SENSE.

YES.

SO THE PROPERTY TAX IS GONNA BE CLOSE TO PAYING ON THE TAX RATE THAT YOU GUYS ADOPT THE SALES TAX.

WE WERE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OPTIMISTIC.

OKAY.

UM, THE REASON I PRESENTED THE THIRD QUARTER FINANCIALS TO YOU THIS EVENING, AND SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY RUNNING AND IT IS BELOW, UM, OUR PROJECTED, UM, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT, ABOUT A 10% DECREASE RIGHT NOW.

SO OBVIOUSLY THESE NUMBERS WERE PROPOSED BEFORE IT REALLY STARTED DUMPING THIS LAST QUARTER.

OKAY.

IT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER.

UM, BUT IT, IT WAS BASED ON CURRENT AND A SLIGHT INCREASE BASED ON INFLATION.

OKAY.

VERY, VERY SLIGHT INCREASE.

UM, SO IT IS $12 MILLION TOTAL, 8 MILLION FOR GENERAL FUND, 2 MILLION FOR STREET MAINTENANCE FUND, AND 2 MILLION FOR EDC AND THEN ALSO THE 2 MILLION FOR UH, DMD.

OKAY.

SO YEAH, IT IS SLIGHTLY, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OPTIMISTIC BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING CURRENTLY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, AND THEN CHASE, UH, OR MR. CAREY, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF GO OVER KIND OF HOW Y'ALL, YOU'RE GONNA BREAK DOWN THE ADMIN DIVISION? SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN EXTREME CHANGES AND Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE NOT HAVING THE SAME KIND OF STAFF Y'ALL HAD LAST YEAR, RIGHT? UM, CORRECT.

WE, UH, JUST, YEAH.

YES, SIR.

SO, UH, I, I SPOKE TO IT, UH, A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO.

WE'VE ELIMINATED THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ADMIN, THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, UH, MR. MAGGIANO'S PREVIOUS POSITION.

UH, WE DON'T NEED SO MUCH HELP IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

I'M TRYING TO USE MY WORDS, UH, BE POLITICALLY CORRECT.

UH, MR. MAGDALENO AND I CAN DO WORK.

WE HAVE HANDS, FEET IN THE BRAIN.

WE DON'T NEED SO MUCH HELP IN THAT OFFICE.

UH, UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE, WE ARE DOING MORE WITH LESS, AS I SPEAK TO OFTEN DURING OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS.

I'M ASKING THAT OF EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT TO DO MORE WITH LESS.

THAT IS REQUIRED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

WE HAVE REDUCED, UH, HOW MUCH WAS THAT, SIR? THE, SO WE REDUCED ALL THOSE HEAVY SALARIES AND WE, WE ADDED AN ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY TO ASSIST WITH MR. OLIVER AND MR. DO AND MYSELF AND MR. MAGNO, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE WORK THAT WILL BE REQUIRED.

THAT WILL BE NECESSARY.

MATT AND I, MR. MAGGIANO AND I, WE DON'T HAVE A SECRETARY OR ADMIN TO ASSIST US, SO NO, THAT'S, I THINK THAT WAS WISE TO DO SO.

YEP.

UH, YES, SIR.

SHE'S PULLING THAT UP RIGHT HERE.

NO, AND THAT'S BASICALLY, IT SHOWS, EVEN WITH THE 6% INCREASE, YOU'RE STILL AROUND THE SAME AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE YEAR TO DATE RIGHT NOW.

CORRECT.

RIGHT.

IT'S NOT EVEN, YEAH, THAT'S 24, 25 BUDGET.

IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALMOST TWO, 250,000.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN.

YES, SIR.

UH, ON THAT ONE.

I WAS JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT Y'ALL ARE, YOU HAVE NINE PEOPLE IN THERE RATHER THAN 13 OR 12 AND A HALF OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

SO EVERYONE JUST PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH OUR CITY STAFF RIGHT NOW.

.

WELL, I DON'T EVEN THINK WE HIRED SOME OF 'EM THAT WE EVEN PUT IN A BUDGET LAST YEAR.

YEAH.

CORRECT.

YES SIR.

YEAH, THAT'S, UH, $480,000 IN A DECREASE IN SALARY FROM PREVIOUS BUDGET REQUESTS TO THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR BUDGET REQUEST.

SO THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF SALARIES WE'VE CUT OUT OF ADMINISTRATION.

WHO'S

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HANDLING HR NOW? CHASE, MRS. SLOAN.

MIRANDA, YOU WANNA COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SLOAN NAME AMANDA.

I ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH THE CITY AS A PAYROLL ACCOUNTANT, MOVED IN AS HR SPECIALIST, BECAME THE GENERALIST, AND NOW I'M THE HR MANAGER.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

UH, SLOAN, MRS. MIRANDA CAME OVER WITH ME ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR SO AFTER, FROM THE CITY OF LAMAR.

I'VE WORKED WITH MRS. MIRANDA FOR MANY YEARS.

UH, SHE WORKS HARD, SHE CARES.

AND SHE'S A DEDICATED EMPLOYEE, SO I KNOW SHE'LL DO A GREAT JOB.

SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD FOR THE ADMIN SIDE IS THE WHAT? 21, 23, 26.

YOU KNOW, ALMOST $30,000 IN BETWEEN THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING.

UM, THOSE ARE ALL REQUIRED.

I MEAN, I SEE ONE THAT SAYS LEGAL, HR AND THEN, UH, CS, THEY'RE ALL BROKEN OUT FOR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.

THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, WHAT'S THE CS? CITY SECRETARY.

OKAY.

I AM SORRY, MAYOR, DID YOU, YOU REPEAT THAT? I WAS SAYING, IS THERE, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF IS THAT, WHAT ARE WE BUDGETING FOR WITH THAT TYPE OF DOLLAR AMOUNT? AS IN LIKE, WHAT IS THAT ENTAILING? SO ARE WE DOING TRADING FOR CERTIFICATIONS FOR OUR SECRETARY? LIKE IS THIS STUFF REQUIRED, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION OR IS IT JUST BUDGETED IN CASE THIS DOES POP UP? YES, SIR.

UH, THAT IS FOR MR. OLIVER.

I DO KNOW, UH, PULLING IT UP RIGHT HERE.

WELL, I MEANT, YEAH, I MEANT ALL OF THEM.

LIKE JUST KIND OF ALL THE TRAVELING TRAINING, JUST A LITTLE IN GENERAL.

YEAH.

YES SIR.

YEAH, I THINK I SPOKE TO IT LAST TIME.

WE DID.

UH, WE'VE WENT THROUGH AND CUT OUT QUITE A BIT OKAY.

OF, UH, AROUND 14, 15,000 FROM THE PREVIOUS REQUEST.

I'VE, I'VE ASKED STAFF TO GO THROUGH AND SEE WHAT IS NECESSARY, WHAT ARE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR JOB.

PERFECT.

WHAT IS, UH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE WORKSHOPS.

WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS IT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I TAKE DIRECTION FROM THIS COUNCIL AND I YEAH.

YOU KNOW, SO WHATEVER Y'ALL DIRECT ME TO DO, I'LL DO IT.

BUT, UH, I, I, I WANT TO, I'M VERY CAREFUL TO CUT OUT TRAINING IN, IN CERTAIN ITEMS FOR OUR STAFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE CUTTING SO MUCH, UH, POSITIONS JUST TO, I DO WANT US TO BE TRAINED AND I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S NET.

I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SO.

ABSOLUTELY.

NO, I, I WANTED JUST EVERYONE ON COUNCIL AND ANYONE WATCHING TO KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.

SO IF ANYONE HAS THOSE QUESTIONS, WE, THEY KNOW RIGHT HERE AND NOW THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.

SURE.

UH, AND YOU'RE, WE DON'T NEED TO GO WITH LINE BY LINE ON EVERY TRAVEL AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.

BUT THOSE ARE THINGS I KNOW YOU'VE ASKED YOUR STAFF TO, TO TAKE OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE TO TRAIN OUR EMPLOYEES.

SO YES SIR.

THOSE REQUIREMENTS WILL NEVER GO AWAY.

CORRECT.

ALRIGHT, SO WHAT ELSE WE GOT? ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE ADMIN DEPARTMENT? SO WE MOVE ON TO FINANCE.

I GUESS OUR PART IS, UH, GOING TO TML AND STUFF.

YES SIR.

THAT IS, THAT IS IN THERE.

YES SIR.

HE'S NOT IN HERE TONIGHT.

BUT TALK TO, UH, THE ATTORNEY.

IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WHEN WE PUT THIS IN THE BUDGET FOR US TO GO TO TRAINING AND THEN WE APPROVE THIS BUDGET, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT WOULD COVER THE CHARTER SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THEM, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S EXPENSES WHEN THEY GO TO THAT KIND OF STUFF.

IT LOOKS, FEELS REDUNDANT TO ME.

I THINK THAT WAS REIMBURSEMENT.

YES.

THAT TRIGGERED THAT.

NOT WE HAD TO DO IT FOR WHEN WE WENT TO TMM.

MM-HMM .

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SARAH, COULD YOU TELL ME THE BREAKDOWN OF WHERE OUR A SA AGREEMENT MONEY GOES FROM DMD AND D WOLF? YES.

OKAY.

D FROM BOTH OF THEM.

UM, ABSOLUTELY, SIR.

JUST A SECOND.

UM, DDC IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IT'S, IT'S CITY EMPLOYEES, BASICALLY THE USE OF THE, THE USE OF CITY HALL, EVERYTHING THAT WE AS CITY EMPLOYEES GIVE TO EDC HELP THEM WITH.

IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME MOWING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, STEVEN HERE.

UM, EDMA LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX 'CAUSE IT GOES TO SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS LIKE DEMOLITION.

UM, THE CITY CONNECT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR DICKINSON ALERT, UM, THERE'S THE HOLIDAY LIGHTING, CERTAIN THINGS

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LIKE THAT, THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR SPECIFIC ITEMS WHERE EDCS ALMOST LIKE A, A BLANKET FOR CITY EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS TO EC.

OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S JUST BASICALLY SPREAD OUT IN THE SALARIES? CORRECT.

OKAY.

UH, A BIG JUMP OF THAT WAS WHEN WE HIRED, UH, INSIDE LEGAL, THEY SEEN AN INCREASE IN THEIR A SA, UM, DRAMATICALLY.

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR CITY ATTORNEY WORKS WITH A DC QUITE CLOSELY, SO.

YEAH, I KNOW IT USED TO BE 30 40,000 AND IT'S JUMPED AWAY UP THERE.

YEAH, CORRECT.

THAT'S EXACTLY.

OKAY.

WELL ALSO TOO, WHEN WE ALSO, TOO, WHEN WE HIRED THAT POSITION, IT WASN'T IN THE BUDGET.

THE BUDGET WENT INTO EFFECT OCTOBER ONE, WE HIRED 'EM AROUND OC DECEMBER.

SO FOR NINE MONTHS OF THAT YEAR, WE HAD TO PAY FOR A SALARY THAT WASN'T IN THE BUDGET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT HURT THEM.

THAT GOT CORRECTED LAST YEAR.

BUT IT HURT, IT HURT US LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD TO DO THE BUDGET ON THAT.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMIN DEPARTMENT? WE'LL GO ON TO, UH, FINANCE DEPARTMENT NUMBER TWO IF ANYONE QUESTIONS, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT DEPARTMENT NUMBER TWO.

AND THEN, UH, MS. CLARK, YOU'RE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

SO WHERE ARE YOU AT ON STAFF? HOW, HOW ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ALL YOUR POSITIONS FILLED OR ARE YOU SHORT ANY POSITIONS? WE ARE FULLY STAFFED.

WE HAVE FEET FOUR PEOPLE.

OKAY.

AND HAVE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

PERFECT.

UM, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, NUMEROUS TIMES ABOUT GETTING SOMEBODY THAT'S DEDICATED TO PURCHASING AND PROJECTS.

'CAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HOLE THAT WE HAVE.

UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY.

AWESOME.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR FINANCE? I KNOW THAT'S A PRETTY SMALL LINE ITEM FOR THAT ONE.

SO, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS DEPARTMENT THREE.

I JUST GOT ONE ON.

UM, OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.

WE ARE GOING FROM 50 TO 150.

THAT'S COMING FROM DMD FOR THE DEMOLITION OF HOUSES THIS YEAR.

DEMOLITION, GO AHEAD, CHARLIE.

RIGHT.

THE THE ONE 50 IS, IS I BELIEVE THAT'S ONLY BUDGETED FROM THE CITY, CORRECT.

OR IS THAT INCLUDED? THE ONE 50 THAT'S, UH, DEMOLITION SERVICES? UH, 50,000 OF THAT, IF I, IF I'M CORRECT, MRS. CLARK IS FROM DMD.

CORRECT.

WE WENT FROM 50 AND LAST YEAR'S BUDGET TO 150 THIS YEAR.

CORRECT.

WE PLAN TO DO MORE.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

MOST OF THESE QUE MOST OF THESE ANSWERS QUESTIONS WE CAN ANSWER OURSELVES, BUT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE SURE WE'RE GIVING OURSELF THE RIGHT ANSWER BY ASKING.

YES, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU STAFFED? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE? UH OH.

SO I, I DID PUT IN FOR ONE MORE POSITION.

I'M, I'M HOPING FOR, UH, TYPE OF DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL OR PLAN REVIEWER.

UH, ALSO, WE, AS OF YESTERDAY ARE ONE SHORT AT THE FRONT COUNTER.

WE HAD A PLANNING TECHNICIAN WHO'S NO LONGER WITH US.

UH, SO ONE OPEN POSITION AND, AND ASKING FOR ANOTHER IN NEW BUDGET.

TRAVIS, AN ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL WOULD ALSO BE A SUPERVISOR POSITION, RIGHT? YEAH.

I, I WOULD GO FOR DEPUTY, BUT, UH, TECHNICALLY THEY WOULD BE OVER PERMIT TECHNICIANS, BE AN ASSISTANT IN A SUPERVISORY ROLE WHEN YOU'RE NOT HERE.

MM-HMM .

AND I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, I GUESS YOU'RE SLATED FOR A PLAN OF REVIEWER, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE, THE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE BETTER ACCOMMODATED IF HE HAD AN OFFICIAL TITLE OF ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIALS.

SOMEBODY YOU CAN DO PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS.

UH, 'CAUSE RICH IS OUT THERE, THE LONE RANGER BY HIMSELF AS FAR AS DOING INSPECTIONS.

SO HE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO COVER WHEN RICH IS NOT AVAILABLE.

SURE.

ABSOLUTELY.

YES SIR.

SO ARE YOU THE DIRECTOR OR ARE YOU CONSIDERED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER? UH, MY TITLE THAT WAS GIVEN IS MANAGER.

I, I DO HAVE SOME STIPULATIONS IN MY CONTRACT.

I'M GONNA GET MY, UH, FLOW PLANE MANAGEMENT CERTIFICATION AND FINISH MY BUILDING OFFICIAL CERTIFICATION AND THEY WILL CHANGE MY TITLE TO DIRECTOR.

THE DIRECTOR.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE MANAGER.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A, THE DIRECTOR SHOWS NOTHING.

SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY IT.

HE IS THE DIRECTOR.

YES.

YES, SIR.

SO YOU HAVE SIX AND YOU WANT SEVEN.

YES, SIR.

DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT? UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT? SO I HAVE ONE DEDICATED CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

UH, I HAVE TASKED MY INSPECTOR IN THE FIELD, UH, WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL, MORE FOCUSED ON BUILDING, UH, VIOLATIONS.

MM-HMM .

UM, WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE HELP IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.

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SO WOULD THAT MAKE YOU NEED TWO PEOPLE OR STILL ONE? SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, I THINK WE WOULD ALWAYS WANT MORE, BUT MR. MAGNO, UH, YOU CAN JUMP IN HERE AS WELL, BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE NOT AT A POINT WHERE WE ARE STILL ACCESSING AND, AND EVALUATING WHAT WE CAN DO WITH ONE.

UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THAT PROCESS OF, UH, PULLING REPORTS AND SEEING WHERE WE ARE AT.

I DON'T WANT TO ASK FOR ANOTHER EMPLOYEE IF TECHNICALLY WE DO NOT NEED HIM.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT YES, SIR.

I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS TO HIM AND ANY DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT WALKS UP THERE SURE.

THEY ALWAYS NEED HELP.

OF COURSE.

SO IF WE NEED THEM, IF I CAN'T DO IT, WE OR I, WELL, HOWEVER YOU WANNA PUT IT YES, SIR.

CAN'T DO IT THIS YEAR.

RIGHT.

THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK FOR NEXT YEAR, OF COURSE.

MM-HMM .

SO IF, IF THEY NEED HELP TO CLEAN THIS PLACE UP MM-HMM .

OR WHATEVER THEY NEED, WHETHER IT IS POLICE DEPARTMENT, BIO ANIMAL SHELTERS, STREET DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER.

YES, SIR.

I LIKE ASKING.

I MEAN, YES, I PUT 'EM ON THE SPOT AND SAID, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU NEED.

CITY MANAGERS DON'T LIKE HEARING THAT.

BUT IF HE TELLS ME I NEED TWO MORE, THEN THAT'S OUR JOB TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED.

YES, SIR.

OF, BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS WANT MORE PEOPLE.

SO THEY CAN SIT THERE AND TELL ME WHY THEY THINK THEY NEED THEM.

UHHUH, , THEN IT'S OUR JOB.

IT'S NOT SO MUCH YOUR JOB TO FIND IT.

IT'S OUR JOB TO FIND THE MONEY TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE.

TO, TO DO THE CITIZENS' WORK.

YES, SIR.

SO SOMETIMES I PUT 'EM ON THE SPOT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES I ENJOY IT , BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET TO A POINT.

SO I NOTICE THERE'S PART-TIME EMPLOYEE BACK IN 23, 24.

IS CAN, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD UTILIZE TO TRANSITION, LIKE, AND GIVE US TIME? SO IF WE NEEDED TO HIRE SOME PART-TIME WHERE, ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A, A LOAD ON THE CITY NEAR AS BAD AS FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, BUT IF WE NEEDED HELP, SHORT-TERM PROBLEM SOLVING.

RIGHT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP? THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE.

UM, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WAS SHORT, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I STARTED HERE.

AND, AND TO BE HONEST, THE BENEFIT WE GOT FROM THEM WAS, WAS PROBABLY A BIT LESS THAN OKAY.

I'VE RECEIVED FROM FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

'CAUSE IF YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT BEFORE AND IT WAS A HUGE FAILURE, THEN I'M NOT GONNA MESS WITH THAT.

THAT'S GOOD.

AND MAYOR, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INTERN PROGRAM.

OKAY.

THAT WAS AN INTERN PROGRAM.

SO, UM, OKAY.

FANTASTIC.

I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR HELP AT, FROM PUBLIC WORKS IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO NOTIFY YOU OF CODE VIOLATIONS TO HELP ON YOUR DEPARTMENT.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, I DO HAVE PUBLIC WORKS THERE HELPING US GREATLY IF THEY SEE SOMETHING IN THE FIELD AS WELL AS, UH, PICKING UP, UH, LITTER AND DEBRIS AND, UH, GETTING US THE INFORMATION TO LEANN THE PROPERTIES FOR THAT, UH, AMOUNT THE CITY INCURS.

OKAY.

AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOUR EMPLOYEES TO KNOW THAT THE MORE, UH, MORE MONEY WE MAKE, THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN HIRE TO GIVE THEM HELP, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

YES, SIR.

AND COUNCILMAN OUR, UH, OUR CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY ARE SENDING OVER INFORMATION AS THEY SEE IT IN THE FIELD AS WELL.

OKAY.

I, I THINK SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, WHEN MR. MOORE CAN COME TO US AND JUSTIFY ANOTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEE, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO A CONTRACT SERVICE WITH AN AGENCY THAT, THAT MAY TEMP HIRE SPECIFIC PROFESSIONALS IF WE WANT TO, PLUS UP ON AN INITIATIVE, FOR INSTANCE, CLEANING UP DICKINSON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, BEFORE WE JUST JUMP INTO FILLING ANOTHER SPOT AND THEN USING THEM FOR SIX MONTHS.

AND THEN AFTER THAT IT SLOWS DOWN AND WE'VE WASTED SOME MONEY.

BUT I, I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS TO SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY TO THAT YET.

OKAY.

UM, BUT I WILL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE READY FOR THAT, UM, IF NEEDED.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HIRE A BUNCH OF CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO START WRITING EVERYTHING UP, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO BE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE AND DO MORE WITH LESS, LIKE I SPEAK ABOUT EVERY DAY.

SO, UH, WE'RE JUST NOT AT THAT POINT YET.

ALL RIGHT.

EXPECT THE PHONE CALLS.

THE PHONE CALLS ARE COMING WHEN WE START DOING THAT , YOU KNOW, THEY WILL.

ALL RIGHT.

TRAVIS, WHO DID YOU SAY YOU LOST CRYSTAL? THE PLANNING SPECIALIST.

SO YOU, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SHE RESIGNED.

YEAH.

NOT THAT WE, WE DIDN'T LOSE HER.

THAT SOUNDED, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DID NOT HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT PASSED AWAY.

I SAID LOST .

SHE, SHE DID RESIGN.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY

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YOU'RE EXPECTING TO REPLACE ANOTHER PLANNING PERSON.

YES, SIR.

WITH EXPERIENCE, I GUESS WE ARE HOPING FOR SOME EXPERIENCE.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MR. MOORE UP HERE? IF NOT, WE CAN GO TO, UH, THANK YOU, SIR.

WE CAN GO TO, I GUESS, MUNICIPAL COURT.

ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT ONE? COME ON DOWN, MS. GINA.

AUDI, HOW ARE Y'ALL THIS EVENING? FANTASTIC.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I HAVE NOTHING, NO QUESTIONS, BUT ANYONE ELSE? HOW ARE YOU DOING FOR STAFF? WE'RE DOING GOOD.

UM, THERE IS A WAY FOR, WE DON'T NEED, UH, ANOTHER PERSON.

WE HAD A PART-TIME AT ONE POINT AND THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.

WE SPENT MORE TIME TRYING TO TRAIN HIM AND IT WAS AFTER SIX MONTHS, IT JUST WASN'T SINKING IN.

YEAH.

IT IT'S A LOT.

YEAH.

UM, I DID FIND A WAY TO, LIKE I EXPLAINED TO MATT, UM, I, THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO UPGRADE OUR WEB PAGE, UM, IN ORDER TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SCHEDULE COURT DATES OR REQUEST FOR DEFENSIVE DRIVING OR DEFERRED.

UM, IF THEY QUALIFY, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT ON ONLINE RATHER THAN HAVING TO COME IN.

AND THAT HELPS, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT LIVE OUT OF TOWN.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S REQUIRED THAT THEY HAVE TO COME IN OR HAVE TO SUBMIT SOMETHING IN WRITING TO THE JUDGE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT HE'LL ALLOW, UM, US TO HANDLE IT VIA EMAIL AND THROUGH DOCUSIGN, YOU HAVE LESS PEOPLE AT YOUR WINDOW THAN YOU NORMALLY DO.

THERE'S TWO.

NO, I MEAN, DIDN'T YOU HAVE THREE AT ONE TIME? UM, WE DO.

SO I'VE GOT, IT'S MYSELF AND THEN OUR DEPUTY, UH, COURT ADMINISTRATOR, SYLVIA MM-HMM .

AND THEN THERE'S THE TWO THAT I HAVE UP FRONT.

SHELBY AND COREY.

MM-HMM.

SHELBY AND COREY ARE THE MAIN WINDOW PEOPLE.

OKAY.

I WAS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO PEOPLE IN THE LOBBY AT THE WINDOWS.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S FEWER PEOPLE STANDING AT THOSE WINDOWS THAN THERE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.

THERE IS, UM, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, DROP IN CITATIONS BEING ISSUED.

AND REASON BEING THERE IS, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE SOFTWARE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS USING.

IT'S A CONSORTIUM THAT THEY'RE PART OF, UH, WITH THE SURROUNDING CITIES.

AND THEY'RE ALL HAVING, IT'S NOT JUST US, BUT THEY'RE ALL HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT NEW SOFTWARE.

SO THEY'RE HAVING TO UTILIZE, UM, HANDWRITTEN TICKETS.

SO, OKAY.

BUT THERE IS, UM, A BIG DROP IN CITATIONS BEING ISSUED THAT REFERS BACK TO THAT EMAIL FOR I KNOW MM-HMM .

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO HER, BUT OKAY.

IT'S IN EVERY ONE OF 'EM.

IT'S CALLED, UH, IN THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS.

O-A-S-D-I.

IS THAT SOCIAL SECURITY? SOCIAL SECURITY, YES, SIR.

OKAY.

OLD AGE SURVIVOR DISABILITY INSURANCE WENT TO EFFECT MRS. CLARK.

IS THAT LAST YEAR? AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS FISCAL YEAR? OUR CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR.

I'M SORRY, 1 1 25.

SO IT WAS OLD AGE.

WHAT OLD AGE SURVIVOR DISABILITY INSURANCE.

AND THAT'S A REQUIRED INSURANCE EMPLOYEES? YEAH.

IT'S OUR SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYEE IN, UM, TAX SOCIAL SECURITY TAX EMPLOYEES PAY HALF EMPLOYERS PLAY THE OTHER HALF? CORRECT.

OKAY.

PRIOR TO REGULAR SOCIAL SECURITY? YEAH.

YES.

OH, OKAY.

PRIOR TO JANUARY, WE DID NOT HAVE TO PAY SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES.

OKAY.

AND THEN IN JANUARY WE MADE THE ELECTION, EACH EMPLOYEE ELECTED IF THEY WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIAL SECURITY OR NOT.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE IN THAT BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE PENSION PROGRAM.

MM-HMM .

WHERE THEY ALLOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE PENSIONS TO ALSO BE ABLE TO ACCESS SOCIAL SECURITY.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, THANK YOU MA'AM.

AND WE'LL GO ON TO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

COME ON DOWN.

CAPTAIN, YOU GO.

CAPTAIN JACOB MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO HOW ARE WE ON STAFF? OH,

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WE'RE SHORT.

YEAH.

OBVIOUSLY.

YEAH.

FIGHTING THE MARKETS AND THE MEDIA ALWAYS.

YEAH.

AND, UH, HOW DOES Y'ALL'S PIPELINE LOOK OF WE'RE ACTIVE, CAN RECRUITING? YEP.

IT'S, IT'S DRY EVERYWHERE.

ALL THE ACADEMIES ARE DRY.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SOCIETAL PRESSURES MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

YOU SHORT ON PATROL OR WHERE YEAH.

SO WITH THAT, WOULD ARE WE, SHOULD WE BE WORRIED THAT OVER TIME AT 200,000 IS PROBABLY A LITTLE LIGHT? IF WE'RE GONNA BE PLANNING ON IF WE'RE SHORT? 'CAUSE I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE MIGHT BE, OR WE HAD LOST ONE I KNOW.

RECENT, FAIRLY RECENTLY.

YEAH.

SO I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS A JUGGLE.

YEP.

BETWEEN YOUR FTES AND THE UH, THE OVERTIME.

UM, WE'VE STARTED FLEXING A LOT OF TIME FOR THE OFFICERS AND DETECTIVES.

SO IF, IF I KNOW ONE OF MY GUYS IS GONNA GO OUT IN A, IN A TRAINING EVENT THAT MAY IMPACT HIS SCHEDULE, IF WE'VE GOT ENOUGH COVERAGE, WE'LL JUST HAVE THEM FLEX THEIR HOURS.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE WORKING TO MINIMIZE ALL THE OVERTIME THAT WE CAN.

WELL, THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M ASKING, 'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN WE, YOU KNOW, LET ME REITERATE, WE HAVE TO HAVE POLICE ON, ON, ON THE STREET.

SO THIS IS A, A NON-NEGOTIABLE SITUATION.

KIND OF THINK WHAT, UH, MS. OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, TOWNSEND WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH EMS. IT'S LIKE YOU NEED WHAT YOU NEED, RIGHT.

UM, NO ONE'S GONNA LIVE HERE IF WE'RE NOT SAFE.

BUT WITH THAT IS WE YEAR TO DATE RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 2 74.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC.

UM, PLUS EVERYBODY'S COLA WE SHOULD PROBABLY ACCOUNT FOR, 'CAUSE THEY'LL GET MORE RIGHT.

WITH BEING HOUR IF THEY'RE HOURLY.

SO.

CORRECT.

WE, WE GOT, THERE'S MORE OF AN OVERTIME IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.

YEAH.

JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE FEWER OF THEM.

AND WHEN WE HAVE VACANCIES, IT PUTS A MAJOR STRAIN ON THE REST OF 'EM.

GOTCHA.

I CAN, I CAN ABSORB SOME SHORTAGES ON THE PATROL SIDE.

'CAUSE IF WE'RE FULL STAFF, WE'D HAVE A SERGEANT AND FOUR OFFICERS.

SO I CAN RUN CURRENTLY LIKE WE DO WITH A SERGEANT IN THREE.

AND IF THERE'S A SHORT, THEN I CAN STILL MAKE THE SHIFT WORK.

OKAY, PERFECT.

SO, BUT YEAH, THE, THE MAIN STRAIN IS, IS THE DISPATCHERS IN.

OKAY.

IS THE, UH, MAJORITY OF THE DIFFERENCE FROM 2024 OR 20 25, 20 24 TO FIVE, IS THAT DELTA THE MAJORITY OF THE DISTANCE, THE ACQUISITION OF THE FTE, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE $900,000 DELTA FROM YES SIR.

SO 605,000 OF THAT IS THE, THE FOUR VEHICLES, THE TWO WAY RADIOS, 605,000 IS THAT IS GONNA BE TRANSFERRED TO DMD.

THAT'S PART OF THAT TOTAL MILLION DOLLAR REQUEST FROM DMD.

I DIDN'T THINK YOU'D NOTICE THAT.

, WHICH LINE YOU ON? VEHICLES AND THE RADIOS.

YES.

RADIOS 2 45.

THAT'S FOR REPLACING ALL OF 'EM, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

ALL THE HANDHELDS, NOT THE MOBILES.

AND AS BIASED AS I AM, MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

UM, YOU KNOW, I LOVE MY POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT 6% IS NOT INCLUDED.

I APOLOGIZE YET.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YEP.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT TO BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

YES, SIR.

SO HOW MUCH LONGER DOES THAT GO ON? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING THAT AS WE SPEAK, BUT, UH, IT, IT DOES EXPIRE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO, AS LONG AS WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS, UM, WE CAN EXTEND THAT ANOTHER YEAR.

AND THE MAJORITY OF THE ASKS, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO INTO THE WEEDS IN THIS FORUM, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE ASKS WE BELIEVE WE CAN IMPLEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT BECAUSE THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DONE HERE WITH PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS, SUCH AS SHIFTS, YOU KNOW, THE SHIFT HOURS THAT THEY WORK AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE PREPARED, LET ME SAY THAT, TO PROVIDE THEM MOST OF THEIR ASKS, UM, WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO PUT THAT INTO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

BUT, UH, BUT AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STILL CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE.

YEAH.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT THAT STIPULATES IF CITY STAFF GET A A, A COLA OR ANY, ANY TYPE OF INCREASE THAT IT APPLIES TO THE, THE ASSOCIATION AS WELL.

OKAY.

SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, I GUESS TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYONE LISTENING, THE 6% COLA IS ONLY FOR, UM, CIVILIAN STAFF.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THERE'S FOR NOW THERE'S A CLAUSE IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT MAKES THAT APPLICABLE TO THE ASSOCIATION AS WELL.

OKAY.

AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S AN ACTIVE CONTRACT OR NOT, THE ONE WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER, THERE'S A CLAUSE THAT SAYS IF CITY STAFF GET ANY TYPE OF COLA OR PAY ADJUSTMENT, IT APPLIES TO THE ASSOCIATION AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE INCLUDED 6%, THEY GET 10? NO, NO, IT'S JUST, SO IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS A CONTRACT STRUCTURE LIKE IT WAS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, THEN THEY WOULD GET THE INCREASES THAT WERE AGREED UPON.

THERE'S A SEPARATE CLAUSE THAT

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SAYS IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY GETS A 3% COLA OR WHATEVER ADJUSTMENT THEY WOULD GET IT AS WELL.

OKAY.

SO WE, WE HAVE SOME CLEANING UP TO DO WITH THAT CBA GOTCHA.

SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DISPARATE, UM, INCREASE IN SALARIES FOR ONE DEPARTMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE FOR OTHERS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

AND WE SHOULD BE ABOUT AT MARKET ON THE SALARIES NOW.

I'M SORRY.

CORRECT.

I SAID WE SHOULD BE ABOUT MARKET ON THE SALARIES.

NOW, WHERE WE WERE BEHIND, HISTORICALLY, EVERYONE RUNS ABOUT 6% BEHIND MARKET BECAUSE THE MARKET ANALYSIS USUALLY COMES OUT AT THE START OF A BUDGET YEAR, WHICH MM-HMM .

IS ALREADY 3% BEHIND IF EVERYBODY GETS A COLA.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO BY THE TIME THE MARKET COMES OUT, THAT'S ALREADY A YEAR BEHIND WHEN THEY DO THE ANALYSIS.

SO UNLESS THEY, UNLESS THE PEOPLE DO IN THE ANALYSIS FACTORS IN A THREE TO 6% INCREASE, THEN ALL THE MARKETS ARE, ARE BEHIND.

IS THERE ANYWHERE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

IS THERE ANY, HEY, COUNCILMAN, WILL Y'ALL MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO MIKE? IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE PD THAT WE COULD SAVE MONEY? WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS FUEL, UH, PRICE IN THERE, UH, DISPROPORTIONATE TO THE NUMBER OF MILES Y'ALL ARE DRIVING? WELL, LIKE, LIKE THE CHIEF HAS SPOKE TO IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME SHUTOFF POLICIES, SOME NO DRIVE TO, YOU KNOW, EXTRA JOBS AND SO FORTH.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE ELIMINATED AS MUCH AS AS POSSIBLE AS FAR AS THE FUEL CONSUMPTION.

OKAY.

THAT, AND THAT DECREASE DOESN'T SHOW IN THIS BUDGET YET.

THAT, UH, LET SARAH SPEAK TO THAT.

IT, IT WAS FACTORED IN.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT DURING THE MEETING.

SO IT IS, IT IS, YES.

IT'S FACTORED IN I THINK THEY STARTED THAT LAST YEAR.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU'RE AT A WRECK AND YOU'RE OUT THERE FOR FOUR HOURS, RIGHT? THAT CAR'S RUNNING FOR FOUR HOURS BECAUSE THE LIGHTS WON'T LAST IF YOU TURN IT OFF.

MM-HMM .

THEY GOT NO CHOICE BUT TO LEAVE THAT CAR RUNNING.

IF THEY'RE ON A WRECK AND SOME OF THESE WRECKS TAKE FOUR HOURS, IF IT'S A FATALITY, I GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE FOUR HOURS.

WE'RE GONNA BE THERE FOUR HOURS.

SO I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE FOUR HOURS.

AND IT JUST ALSO DEPENDS ON THE MARKET VALUE FOR FUEL YEAR OVER YEAR.

LOOK BACK AT THE ACTUALS FROM 2223, WE SPENT 127,000 AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING AT 90.

SO FOR CLARIFICATION, THE UH, $124,019 AND 29 CENTS OF THE PROPOSED CO IS NOT IN CONSIDERATION OF THE, UH, UP AND COMING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.

NO, SIR.

THAT CORRECT? THE COAL, THE 6% IS WITH THE, UH, NOT THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING DISPATCHERS.

THANK YOU.

LAST YEAR WE TOOK A BEATING.

THIS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU.

THIS IS FOR HER.

WE TOOK A BEATING LAST YEAR 'CAUSE ALL OF OUR, UH, WORKMAN COMPS INSURANCE WENT UP.

BUT I NOTICED THERE IT WAS GOING FROM 165 TO 42.

WE DID HAVE A WORKERS' COMP AUDIT THAT DID, UM, FORCE US TO REEVALUATE A LOT OF THE WORKER COMP RATE.

SO THIS IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S BASED ON OUR CURRENT QUOTE, BUT I WILL VERIFY.

I IT WAS THE ONLY, UH, I THINK IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT, THAT STUCK OUT MORE THAN THE REST OF THEM.

'CAUSE I KNOW LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR'S WE HAD TO REDO ALL THE WORKMAN'S COMP.

WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T BUDGETING ENOUGH FOR 'EM, OR WE WEREN'T PAYING ENOUGH FOR 'EM.

CORRECT.

YES.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, IS THAT ENOUGH FOR TRAINING? YEAH.

Y'ALL CAN, Y'ALL CAN TRAIN OUR POLICE FORCE, YOU KNOW, WITH YEAH.

QUALITY TRACK.

I, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I HAVE A SOFT SPOT FOR IS TRAINING.

AND, UM, I WILL, I WILL TRY TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO GIVE YOU THE LARGEST BUDGET POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE OUR COPS ARE TRAINED PERSONALLY.

UM, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE SAVE LIVES, IS HAVING WELL-TRAINED OFFICERS.

SO IF THAT, THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN LINE WITH OUR, LIKE OUR THREE YEAR ACTUAL AVERAGES THAT WE SPENT AND WE'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, THE COVID EFFECT, WHICH WAS NOTHING.

YEAH.

WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T USE ANY OF THE BUDGET FOR TRAINING SINCE WE DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE DURING COVID.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE BACK ONLINE WITH THIS ESTIMATE.

OKAY.

THAT'S PART OF YOUR T CLOSE TOO, ISN'T IT? YEAH.

YOUR TRAINING TO KEEP YOUR

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LICENSE.

YEAH.

EIGHT TO 10,000 OF THAT INCREASE IS THE T COLE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY.

THE INCREASE OF IT.

BUT YES, IF THERE IS ANY TRAINING THAT OUR OFFICERS CAN RECEIVE AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT, GIVE US ENOUGH TIME AND NOW WE CAN PLAN FOR IT.

'CAUSE THE SAME THING IS I WANNA MAKE SURE OUR COPS ARE PREPARED, UM, FOR WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT COME.

RIGHT.

AND I KNOW IN THE PAST, PEOPLE HAVE JUST ABSOLUTELY BUTCHERED Y'ALL'S TRAINING BUDGET AND TRYING TO GET THAT ONE BACK IN NICE AND HEALTHY.

YEAH.

IF THIS ONE, IF THIS ONE SURVIVES THIS PROCESS THAT IT GIVES US SOME ADDITIONAL AM MO EXPENSES AND ADDITIONAL FIREARMS TRAINING.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BULK OF THE INCREASE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AMMO, PRICES AND ABSOLUTELY.

RANGE TIME.

ALL RIGHT.

WHAT ELSE WE GOT FOR, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE.

ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, WELL I THINK THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU SIR.

APPRECIATE YOU.

AND THEN, UH, SO I GUESS WE'LL GO STRAIGHT DOWN INTO DEPARTMENT 10.

THE FIRE MARSHAL, COME ON DOWN.

SO IT'S JUST YOU , IS IT ON? OKAY.

YES.

.

I GUESS WE DON'T NEED TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH STAFF.

, IT'S JUST ME, .

THERE IS A, UH, A PRETTY SIZABLE INCREASE IN THE BUDGET.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? YES, SIR.

UM, THAT'S DUE TO, UH, MY TCO LICENSE NOW THAT I CURRENTLY CARRY.

UH, SO THAT CAME WITH ALSO A PAY INCREASE AND ALL OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AS FAR AS THE, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO PROVIDE.

A LOT OF THE STUFF I'M HAVING TO BUY NEW THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT.

OKAY.

SO DOES YOUR SALARY REQUEST REFLECT? I'M PRETTY SURE THE ANSWER IS NO.

YOUR TOL CERTIFICATION? YES.

THE SALARY ON HERE? YES.

5,000.

YEAH.

YES SIR.

SO ON A DIFFERENT PAGE THAT I HAVE, IT SAYS FIRE MARSHAL, PROPOSED BUDGET FOR SALARY.

IT SAYS 99,000 6 0 8 98.

AND I GOT THIS OFF THE PUBLISHED REPORT, UH, OFF OF OUR WEBSITE.

THAT NUMBER DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 6% INCREASE.

NO, AT, AT 6% INCREASE IT GOES UP TO $105,334.

CORRECT.

I DUNNO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

OURS IS SHOWING 85 AND 90.

HE'S LOOKING AT THE FULL BENEFIT PACKAGE, NOT THE BASE SALARY.

OH YEAH.

SALARY AND BENEFITS.

YES.

OKAY.

WE GOT SOCIAL SECURITY IN THERE TOO.

MM-HMM .

AND MEDICARE SOCIAL SECURITY.

WELL, ANY QUESTIONS? I DO, BUT THIS PROBABLY AIN'T THE RIGHT PLACE TO ASK IT.

.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT, WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT'S ALL WE GOT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

DEPARTMENT 11, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR OR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT? WHO'S TALKING ABOUT YEAH, MATT, MR. MAGNO OWNER.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO TALK ABOUT OTHER THAN THE RESTRUCTURE.

UM, AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, WE ARE KIND OF RESTRUCTURING HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

WE ARE LOOKING AT HIRING A FULL-TIME OEM EMPLOYEE WHO WOULD ALSO HELP US WITH FACILITIES AND BE A PART OF THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE STREETS DEPARTMENT AS WE, UH, STREETS AND MAINTENANCE AS WE PLAN TO CALL IT AT SOME POINT.

SO WITH THE FULL, SO THE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, WE ARE, THIS IS BUDGETING FOR HIRING THAT NEW, THAT NEW OEM INDIVIDUAL? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

SO UNDER SUPPLIES 24 25,

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WE BUDGETED TWO, BUT WE SPENT 22.

IS THAT THE DRONE? I, I SUSPECT THAT'S CORRECT.

YES, SIR.

WELL, NOW WHO'S GOING? AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE WAS SOME MONEY.

THERE WAS, WAS THAT, WAS THERE GRANT MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OR NO? NO, SIR.

NO.

OKAY.

THAT WAS FOR PD.

YEAH.

I NOT, THE $9,000 INCREASE IN DUES AND SUBSCRIPTION IS ALSO DRONE RELATED.

THAT WILL BE ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS REQUIRED FOR THE DRONE.

YOU ARE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING A DRONE? CAN WE GET RID OF THE DRONE? THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.

NOW.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF IT YET.

SO, OKAY.

I, THIS, THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS KIND OF IMPLEMENTED BY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT WE ADOPTED.

YEP.

SO ARE WE GOING TO GET RID OF THE DRONE OR WE GOTTA PAY SOMEBODY TAKE A LICENSE? WELL, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A WELL INFORMED DECISION TO, TO GIVE YOU YET BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE DRONES AND THAT THIS UAV AS THEY'RE CALLED, UM, IS WHILE IT'S LARGER AND MORE CAPABLE, I HAVE YET TO HAVE SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME THE PURPOSE.

SIMILAR TO THE MARSH MASTER.

IT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

AT ONE POINT IT GOT VOTED ON, IT WAS PURCHASED, AND THEN I'M KIND OF STUCK WITH, WELL, WHY? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT NOW? SO WHAT IT'S, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ANSWER.

WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THE INDIVIDUALS THAT PURCHASED IT WERE INDIVIDUALS THAT NEVER HAD ANY TIME ON A STREET AND NEVER WAS A COP OR NEVER WAS IN THESE TYPES OF ROLES.

I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY PURCHASED IT.

I BELIEVE THAT MR. HUNT WAS LICENSED, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.

OKAY.

BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS IN A COUPLE YEARS, BUT FROM MY PREVIOUS ROLE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE LICENSED IF YOU'RE USING IT UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF A GOVERNMENT WHILE WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT, THAT, THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, BUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT WAS THE CASE.

I KNOW THEY CHANGED THE LAW ON IT BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING TO GET A LICENSE EVEN AT THE PLANT TO BRING THEM IN AND FLY 'EM WITH EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

UH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT GOVERNMENT NOT PRIVATE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HEIGHT.

IT'S UH, IT'S THE WEIGHT AND SIZE OF THE DRONE.

THE WEIGHT AND SIZE IS A FACTOR IN THAT.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

THAT'S FAA STUFF.

SO YES, BUT, BUT OTHER NOT YET.

IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE AT THAT LEVEL, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE PURPOSE OR WHAT THE INTENT, UH, WAS.

UM, SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER FOR WHAT WE RECOMMEND THAT WE DO WITH THIS THING.

UM, I KNOW IT'S HIGH VALUE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ONE.

I ALSO KNOW PERSONALLY THAT LEAGUE CITY NOT ONLY HAS ONE, BUT THEY HAVE AN ENTIRE FLEET OF THEM.

MEANING THAT THERE'S ONE ON EVERY PATROL SHIFT AND EVERY PATROL OFFICER OR EVERY PATROL SHIFT HAS AN OFFICER THAT'S DEDICATED TO THAT.

SO IF WE NEEDED TO MUTUAL AID AND USE ONE OF THOSE AT ANY TIME, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T.

SO ANYHOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT PREPARED TO, TO GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT UAV QUITE YET.

SO THIS IS THE DRONE THAT THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER INSTRUCTED OR GAVE HIS APPROVAL TO MR. HUNT TO PURCHASE AND DID NOT GO THROUGH NONE OF US THROUGH FINANCE CITY HALL, NONE OF US WERE AWARE OF IT.

SEE, I WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF THAT.

AND, AND, AND NOW WE SHOW UP, WE HAVE ONE AND OUR PD HAS ONE, AND NOW IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

SO NOW WE'RE STUCK HOLDING THE BAG OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT JUST ANOTHER PAST MISTAKE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

AGAIN, IF, IF WE HAVE, IT'S A REOCCURRING THEME.

SO YES SIR.

IF WE HAVE OVERLAPPING RESPONSIBILITIES YEAH.

AND OVERLAPPING EQUIPMENT, THEN IT, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO, TO HOLD ONTO IT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE QUITE YET.

YEAH.

I NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH.

MY BIG THING IS, IS WHEN WE HAVE AN ONGOING $9,000 SUBSCRIPTION TO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY BEEN, SO IT'D BE DIFFERENT IF WE WERE IN A DIFFERENT, UM, TERRAIN.

RIGHT.

UM, REALISTICALLY WE CAN GET TO EVERY POINT IN OUR CITY FROM A ROAD.

UM, SO THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD FOR RURAL AREAS, REALLY GOOD FOR BIG AREAS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, YOU UNDERSTAND IT.

'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT LIFE.

THERE'S NO DOUBT.

A TIME AND A PLACE FOR UAV WE HAVE, WE USED IN AFGHANISTAN ALL THE TIME.

YES SIR.

I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET OUR HANDS ON EITHER OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS OKAY.

OR ANOTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD WE NEED THAT.

HOWEVER, FROM AN OEM STANDPOINT, WHICH IS THE UMBRELLA, THIS THING WAS PURCHASED UNDER, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY YET.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

BUT I WILL, I WILL GET BACK ON YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT WAS FOR LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE HARVEY'S SO THEY COULD SEND IT UP AND SEE WHERE ALL THE FLOODING THAT WAS.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE THEN IS WHAT CAPABILITY DOES THIS PARTICULAR UAV HAVE THAT A POLICE VERSION POLICE DOES NOT HAVE? AND COULD WE NOT BORROW A POLICE OFFICER IN THEIR UAV TO DO THE SAME THING? AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUITE YET.

OR $1,200 DJ I ONE THAT I CAN BUY AT BEST BUY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

.

SO DO YOU THINK WE CAN, DO YOU THINK WE CAN JUSTIFY A FULL-TIME POSITION FOR THIS FOR OEM? I THINK WE CAN JUSTIFY.

SO YES, SIR.

UM, NOT JUST FOR

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OEM, BUT ALSO FOR FACILITIES AND JUST TO, NOW WE'RE GONNA GET KIND OF INTO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, BUT FACILITIES IS GOING TO GROW AND THE INTENT IS TO GROW THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, WHICH WILL SOMEDAY BE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE AS WE ACCRUE PARKS SOMEDAY, THAT IS THE GOAL.

THERE'LL BE OUR FACILITIES.

AND SO AS IT STANDS NOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GROW THAT FACILITIES DEPARTMENT UTILIZING THE OEM MANAGER FOR NOW TO HANDLE OUR MAINTENANCE AND SUSTAINMENT OF OUR IMMEDIATE BUILDINGS.

SO CITY HALL, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PERHAPS FIRE STATION AND, AND EMS HANDLE THE LANDSCAPING.

SO INSTEAD OF JUST CUTTING GRASS, WE'RE GONNA GROOM AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF OUR CUSTODIAL DUTIES THAT WAY.

AND THEN AS WE ACCRUE THE PARKS AND THOSE GET FUNDED AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS OF HOW WE PLAN TO FUND THAT, UM, THAT FACILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL GROW AND IT'LL TURN INTO PARKS OR WE'LL LEAVE IT AS FACILITIES OR WE WILL RENAME IT AT THAT POINT.

BUT THAT'S SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

OKAY.

THAT'S THE INTENTION, SIR.

YES, SIR.

AND SO THE ESSENTIALLY, MAY IT, LONG STORY SHORT, OEM IS GOING TO DOUBLE DUTY FOR A WHILE AND THAT'S HOW Y'ALL ARE DOING MORE WITH LESS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO ANOTHER SAMPLE, IT'S FULL TIME, BUT IT'S BEING ABSORBED BY ANOTHER, WE'LL OVERSEE A HANDFUL OF FACILITIES, UH, MAINTENANCE EMPLOYEES.

THAT'S CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT? ALRIGHT, UH, DEPARTMENT 13 INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

MR. MINA, HOW'S IT GOING SIR? THE ONE THAT STUCK OUT FOR ME IS YOUR COMPUTER NETWORK MAINTENANCE.

SO AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, DURING THE DMD, THIS IS TO UPGRADE THE FIREWALL FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND THIS IS WHERE GOES THROUGH DMD.

SO THE DM D'S GOING TO FOOT THE 60? YES.

YES SIR.

OKAY.

IT'S PART OF THAT PACKAGE WITH DMD, WITH THE POLICE VEHICLES AND THE RADIOS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

OKAY.

THAT'S JUST YOUR CUT OF IT OF THE PILOT? CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

YEAH.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, THE IT DEPARTMENT.

PREVIOUS YEAR'S REQUEST WAS ONE ROUND, 1.1.

THIS YEAR'S REQUEST ROUND ONE.

SO WE, THIS IS ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT WE DECREASED FROM PREVIOUS YEAR'S REQUEST.

ALL RIGHT.

A QUESTION, WHAT IS PERIPHERAL COMPUTER SUPPLIES? SO THIS IS, COMES WITH ANYTHING BESIDES THE ACTUAL COMPUTING POWER.

SO WHENEVER YOU ORDER ANY DEVICE, IT NEED A UPS, IT NEED A MONITOR, IT NEED A MOUSE AND KEYBOARD, IT NEED, UH, SAME COMES FOR CELL PHONES, ANY ADDITIONAL ACCESSORIES.

SO THIS MAINLY ACCESSORIES FOR ANY EQUIPMENT RUNS THROUGH THE CITY, THE PHYSICAL EQUIPMENT.

YEAH.

CORRECT.

YES SIR.

YOU ALSO HAVE ALL THE SOFTWARES FOR THE CITY UNDER IT, CORRECT? YES.

MOST OF THEM.

RIGHT.

THAT'S PART OF THE A SA AGREEMENTS TOO.

THAT'S THE 500,000.

HMM.

THE SOFTWARE.

YES SIR.

THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE A SA FOR YEAH, FOR THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE EDC .

CAN I ASK A UDC QUESTION? ? SUPPOSEDLY THE UDC IS MAYBE A, A COPYWRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT WE IT HAS BEEN SAID, I WON'T SAY SUPPOSEDLY IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT IS A COPYWRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT WE PAY A SUBSCRIPTION TO USE.

IS THAT THE CASE? IS A THAT DOESN'T COME FROM MY BUDGET.

WE TALK ABOUT THE END CODE.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE SAID IF I WAS HIM TOO.

.

I DON'T KNOW.

THE END I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD PLACE.

I BE A GOOD PLACE TO BRING IT UP.

IT SEEMS LIKE A SUBSCRIPTION THAT WOULD COME MAYBE OUT OF YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE CASE.

YEAH, WE TALK THAT'S THE IN CODE.

IF IT'S IN CODE THAT COMES FROM, I THINK IT WOULD BE FOR TRAVIS MOORE.

FOR MR. MOORE? YES, SIR.

MR. MOORE, DO YOU KNOW THAT ANSWER? OH, HE'S, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE.

I FEEL LIKE, AND SO I DON'T REOCCURRING SUBSCRIPTION FOR THE UDC MR. MOORE.

MM-HMM .

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UH, I NEED TO GIVE YOU SPECIFICS OF THAT CONTRACT, BUT MY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT IS, IT'S NOT FOR THE UDCC, IT'S FOR THE, THE MAP, THE ZONING MAP.

IT'S GIS LICENSING FEE AND STORAGE FOR THE, IT'S FOR THE ACTIVE MAP THAT WE CAN GO IN AND MESS WITH.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S IT'S FOR THE ACCESS TO THE SOFTWARE.

YES.

RIGHT.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE ITSELF? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

LEMME YEAH, SIR, I UNDERSTOOD THERE WAS SOME REOCCURRING COST EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE WERE PAYING FOR THEIR SERVICES FOR, UH, KEN KEYS SERVICES, WHOEVER DID IT.

YEAH.

KEN KEYS WAS THE CONTRACTOR WHO DID THE UDC.

I DO NOT.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY REOCCURRING, I'M NOT AWARE OF REOCCURRING EITHER TO MR. UH, MINA'S CREDIT.

IF YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE, THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S REQUEST WITH THE SOFTWARE IN THIS YEAR'S REQUEST, HE'S CUT OUT ABOUT $60,000 OF, UH, SOFTWARE THAT WAS NOT NEEDED OR REQUIRED FOR THE CITY.

SO GOOD JOB, MINA.

YEAH, WE'RE GETTING TO GIVE YOU A RAISE, GET YOUR EMPLOYEES A RAISE AND YOUR ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED LAST YEAR.

SO IT'S NOT A BAD SITUATION TO BE IN.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, DEPARTMENT 13 INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.

UH, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

DEPARTMENT 15, THE LIBRARY.

COME ON DOWN, MR. MICHAEL.

WELL OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT MRS. BRIE UNLESS SHE HAS SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT TO DO OR WHAT, SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT TO DO.

UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR HER FOR A SECOND.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

THIS IS THE LONGEST SHE'S KEPT A BABY IN.

I THINK SHE'S PASSED THE DURATION OF HER LAST CHILDREN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, SO SHE'S OVERDUE AT THIS POINT, SO SHE'S PROBABLY LISTENING AND LAUGHING AND HE IS GONNA TEXT ME IN A MINUTE.

SO WE WISH HER WELL AND WE'RE PRAYING FOR HER.

SO YES, WE DO.

ALL RIGHT.

HOW, HOW'S THE LIBRARY GOING? IF, HOW IS, ARE Y'ALL STAFFED UP COMPLETELY? SO WE ARE BELOW THE, THE STAFF LIMIT THAT OR THAT'S SHOWN HERE.

OKAY.

UM, AND WE ARE MOVING SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS.

I BELIEVE IN THE, THE WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

OKAY.

UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE AND A HALF EMPLOYEES COUNTING MS. BRI, WHO'S CURRENTLY OUT, SO THAT'S FOUR OF US NOW.

AND, UH, A PART-TIME I, I'M ASKING THAT WE FILL THE TWO VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE AND OH, THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET.

THEY'RE IN THE BUDGET, YES.

OKAY.

AND THAT THEY'RE IN THERE WITH THE PROPOSED COLA AND EVERYTHING AND, OKAY, PERFECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WE'RE ALSO THERE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME MONEY FOR, UM, EDUCATIONAL SERVICES TOO, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHICH LINE ITEM THAT IS, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE AWARE, BUT IF WE GROW TO BEYOND 25,000 IN POPULATION, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO LIBRARIANS.

AND THE DEFINITION OF LIBRARIAN COMES WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE.

AND WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE, BRI, THAT HAS ONE AND WE NOW HAVE A SECOND EMPLOYEE WHO, UH, ROGERED UP AND SAID, PLEASE SEND ME TO SCHOOL AND PAY FOR IT.

AND I'D LOVE TO DO THAT.

AND I'M, I, I FULLY SUPPORT THAT AS OPPOSED TO GOING OUT AND UH, AND, AND FINDING ONE.

I, I LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A GOOD EMPLOYEE AND UH, SHE WORKS HARD AND SO I FULLY SUPPORT THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, SAME THING, YOU WANT TO KEEP POINTING OUT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING A 6% RAISE, WE'RE HIRING TWO MORE PEOPLE AND THE BUDGET'S STILL LOWER THAN WHAT WE PLANNED FOR LAST YEAR.

RIGHT.

SO THIS IS JUST IN A, UH, I JUST WANT TO KEEP GIVING YOU GUYS KUDOS FOR Y'ALL DID WORK YOUR BUTTS OFF TO GET THIS THING AS LOW AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING NEAR MANY CRAZY CONVERSATIONS THAT I WITNESSED LAST YEAR.

RIGHT.

I WAS OVER THERE LAST YEAR.

I WASN'T OVER HERE.

SO, UM, IS THAT THE TUITION YES.

REIMBURSEMENT THAT WE SEE? OKAY.

YES SIR.

MR. MIKE, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL MAPLES.

I AM THE CATALOG SPECIALIST.

SO ARE THERE NEED, I KNOW, WELL I KNOW THE ANSWER IS YES.

DO WE GO OUT FOR ANY GRANTS OR ANYTHING THAT HELPS THEM OUT OVER THERE? YES SIR.

UM, BRIE ACTUALLY DID A WONDERFUL JOB THIS YEAR AND GOT ALMOST ALL OF SUMMER READING PAID FOR BY DOLLAR GENERAL AND HEB.

UM, SO YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE FINANCIALS IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE OVER BUDGET ON SUMMER READING.

BUT THAT WAS ALL PAID FOR BY GRANTS.

OKAY.

UM, WE ALSO GET A TSLA GRANT EVERY YEAR.

I KNOW THEY WERE KIND OF UNDER THE RADAR WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CUTS.

UM, LIBRARY GRANTS ARE NOT EXPECTED AS MUCH AS NEXT YEAR.

UM, BUT WE DID BUDGET FOR WHAT WE TYPICALLY GET AND OF COURSE, UM, SHE'S PRETTY DETERMINED ON GETTING AS MUCH AS SHE CAN.

SO,

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GENERAL QUESTION, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE LIBRARY, BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN OUR POPULATION GETS TO 25,000, DO WE HAVE A GROWTH CHART PROJECTION? IS WHEN THAT MIGHT BE? IS THERE ANY TIME LINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I DO NOT.

MR. PHONE, DO YOU HAVE THAT ANSWER? I KNOW YOU SEE THIS DATA ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S GONNA BE A LOADED QUESTION WITH HIM.

IF YOU GIVE ME THE PROJECTS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR, THAT'S GONNA BE NEXT MONTH.

.

THANK YOU.

YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE CURRENT TRENDS ARE, UM, RIGHT NOW ON UP, SIR, BRING YOU INTO THIS.

UM, SO IF WE LOOK AT WHAT THE, THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THAT SHOULD BE COMING ONLINE WITHIN THE NEXT 18 TO 24 MONTHS, THAT WILL TAKE US UP TO ABOUT 23,000 ALONG WITH SOME NATURAL GROWTH THAT THE AREA THAT THE REGION IS SEEING IN GENERAL, LIKE IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE.

THREE, THREE YEARS, PROBABLY NOT FOUR YEARS.

GOOD CHANCE.

FIVE YEARS PROBABLY.

DEFINITELY.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT.

SO, SO FIVE YEARS, BASICALLY WE'LL HIT THAT 25,000 MARK A A ABSOLUTELY.

YES SIR.

AND, AND THAT'S JUST, JUST WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, IF WE DO SOME OF OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENT, IT'LL BE SOONER.

SO.

ALRIGHT.

UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT, NICK COMES TO THE LIBRARY IN $25,000, UH, DOLLARS, SORRY, I'M USED TALKING MONEY.

25,000, UM, POPULATION THAT IS ACTUALLY A RATIO AMONG THE COUNTY.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF MICHAEL KNOWS MUCH ABOUT THAT, BUT UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BRIA AND I HAD DISCUSSED.

THE COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT ASSIGNS THE POPULATION BASED ON HOW MANY BOOKS THAT WE CHECK OUT AND HOW MANY, UM, PATRONS WE HAVE COME TO THE LIBRARY.

MM-HMM .

SO EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE 25,000 CITIZENS IN THE CITY, WE SERVE 25,000 PEOPLE IN POPULATION.

GOT.

OH SEE THAT'S NEWS TO ME.

SOME EVEN SOONER THAN I THOUGHT.

.

ALRIGHT.

I'M GLAD WE HAVE, I'M GLAD WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIBRARY? CAN I GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE LIBRARY REAL QUICK IF YOU DON'T MIND? SURE.

I SAT IN A FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY MEETING YESTERDAY AND THAT GROUP OF FOLKS COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE EXCITED AND GAVE ME SO MUCH POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

CUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS CHECK TO HELP WITH SOME BOOKS FOR A CHRISTMAS PROGRAM, ASKED ME WHY THERE WASN'T A GUARDRAIL WHEN I HELPED ONE OF THE LADIES UP THE STAIRS AND I PROMISED HER WE WOULD HAVE A GUARDRAIL, UM, PLACED THERE IN THOSE STAIRS.

SO THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.

THAT'S VERY LOW COST AND I CAN WORK ON THAT AND THAT'S SUPER EASY AND WE'RE GONNA GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.

BUT THE POINT IS, I WITNESSED, UH, FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE OVERSEEN THE LIBRARY, A GROUP OF PEOPLE COME IN, SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT HOW AMAZING OUR LIBRARY IS, AND THEN WRITE A CHECK AND UH, HAVE NOTHING BUT POSITIVE THINGS TO SAY.

SO I WAS, I WAS QUITE PLEASED.

AND UH, UM, BRIAN IS DOING A, A, A FANTASTIC JOB AND SHOWS HER STAFF.

THANK YOU MICHAEL.

ALRIGHT.

YES SIR.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FUN ONE.

EMS, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.

WELL, I GUESS WE ALREADY DID THAT ONE, HUH? SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

UM, BUY, ANIMAL BUY, BUY YOU ANIMAL SERVICES.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE FOR SOME REASON.

ALL RIGHT.

BUY YOU ANIMAL SERVICES.

IT IS.

FOUND IT.

COME ON UP MISS NINA.

I GET NINA AND NINA MIXED UP.

SO NINA AND GINA.

YES.

.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE TO ASK YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF 'CAUSE I WENT THERE AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF.

UM, YEAH, SPEAKING OF DOING MORE WITH LESS.

YES.

SO WHAT IS, WHAT WOULD, IF YOU HAD IT YOUR WAY AND THERE'S A BLANK CHECK, ESSENTIALLY, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED TO RUN YOUR FACILITIES? NOT THAT YOU'RE GETTING IT, JUST, I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED SO WE CAN AT LEAST STRIVE FOR IT.

RIGHT.

IN REALITY, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THE POPULATION SIGNIFICANTLY FOR, FOR THE DOGS AND THE CATS REALLY, UM, BY REACHING OUT TO RESCUES AND STUFF, WE'VE MOVED ALMOST 200 ANIMALS INTO RESCUE VERSUS THEM HAVING TO BE AT THE SHELTER, BE TAKEN CARE OF BY STAFF.

UM, SO I THINK I'M GOOD ON THE STAFF IN THE BACK KENNEL AREA.

OKAY.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE, I NEED, I NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO BE ABLE TO BE A SUPERVISOR UP FRONT IS WHAT I NEED AT THIS POINT.

FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO WALK AWAY FROM THE SHELTER AT ALL IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND SOMEONE TO HELP ME WITH THOSE, THOSE FOSTER COORDINATING THE, UM, THE RESCUE COORDINATING, THE ADOPTION, COORDINATING ALL THAT STUFF, I NEED SOMEONE UP THERE WITH ME TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT TO THE, YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE MANAGER.

YES SIR.

YOU HAVE A COORDINATOR AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE COORDINATOR? NOPE,

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I HAVE UM, I HAVE THE, WELL THE SHELTER SERVICES COORDINATOR, UM, I SWITCHED THE ADMIN ASSISTANT TO A SHELTER SERVICES COORDINATOR BECAUSE I NEEDED THE PERSON JUST TO BE UP FRONT JUST FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY COME IN THE DOOR AND CALL.

AND SO THAT PERSON IS JUST FOCUSED ON THOSE THINGS JUST SO YOU NEED AN ASSISTANT MANAGER? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, NINA, BUT UM, IF NINA WAS AN AIRCRAFT, SHE IS WAY OVERDUE ON MAINTENANCE.

SHE IS RUNNING RAGGED AND EVERY TIME I SEE HER, I APOLOGIZE.

I PROMISE HER THAT WE'RE GOING TO HELP AND SUPPORT HER AND IT IS EXHAUSTING TO WATCH.

SO I KNOW THAT IT'S TAKEN A MAJOR TOLL ON HER.

AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND WE, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU.

ALRIGHT.

IT WOULD BE NICE FOR IT TO BE EASIER, BUT I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK YOU LOOK JUST FINE.

THANK YOU .

A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FROM OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS? YES.

I, THERE WE GO.

LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT WE HAD AN AMOUNT IN THERE FOR VETERINARY SERVICES.

YES, SIR.

AND YOU SAID, I ANTICIPATE THAT TO DROP BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT HAS GOTTEN THEIR CERTIFICATION TO GIVE THE SHOTS OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

DID WE LOSE THAT EMPLOYEE? WE DID.

WE ACTUALLY, I TOOK AWAY THAT WHOLE, UM, POSITION, UH, BECAUSE IT NEVER MADE SENSE.

BY THE TIME WE GOT SOMEONE TRAINED AND, AND READY TO GO IN THAT POSITION, THEY TOOK OFF TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE COULDN'T PAY 'EM ANY MORE THAN, THAN WHAT WE COULD.

AND APPARENTLY IF YOU GO TO, YOU KNOW, VCA CALDER OR ANY OF THE VETERINARY CLINICS, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY.

AND SO I JUST TOOK THAT AWAY.

THAT'S CURRENTLY.

SO ALL OF MY STAFF IS TRAINED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE VACCINATIONS TO DO THE MICROCHIPS.

SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING ON ONE PERSON IN ONE POSITION, EVERYBODY GETS TRAINED FOR THAT.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO REDUCE THE VETERINARY EXPENSES THAT WE, WE HAVE NOW? I MEAN, SO A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST BUDGET YEAR AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE JUST YET.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UM, BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE OUR, ALL OF OUR DRUGS FROM MWI NOW, BECAUSE WE HAD A VETERINARIAN SIGN OFF, WHICH MEANS WE GET SHELTER DISCOUNTS VERSUS, UM, THE VET PURCHASING THE MEDICINE AND THEN MARKING IT UP FOR US TO BUY.

NOW WE'RE ABLE TO JUST BUY IT OUTRIGHT FROM THE COMPANY.

SO THAT SAVED US TREMENDOUSLY.

UM, ALSO WHEN ANIMALS COME IN AND, UM, WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SAVE THEM, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO EUTHANIZE IN HOUSE NOW WE GOT REGISTERED WITH THE DEA, UM, AND HAVE THOSE DRUGS AND THOSE CERTIFICATIONS FOR TWO STAFF MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S SAVING US QUITE A BIT.

SO IT'S A, IT IS A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE MEDICAL AREA THAT I FEEL LIKE WE DID REALLY GOOD THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE SPENT IN MEDICAL.

'CAUSE WE'VE DONE ALL THE SAME THINGS AND, AND SOMETIMES EVEN MORE.

WE DIDN'T DO LESS, WE JUST SPENT LESS SO MM-HMM .

OKAY.

AND THAT'S HER ARTICULATING MUCH BETTER THAN I DID, HOW MUCH WORK SHE'S DOING THAT'S SPECIFIC TO WHAT SHE'S DOING.

ALL RIGHT.

DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE, UH, STAR EXPENDITURES? THIS IS THE FIRST BUDGET YEAR THAT WE HAVE.

UM, WE STILL VERY MUCH HAVE THE STAR PROGRAM, BUT WE ARE TRACKING IT UNDER A PROJECT INSTEAD OF ON THE GL.

'CAUSE IT'S VERY CONFUSING.

UM, ALL DONATIONS THAT, THAT THE SHELTER GETS GOES TO, UM, STAR DONATIONS.

THEREFORE THE, THE DONATIONS HAD TO BE USED DIRECTLY IN THE EXPENSE ACCOUNT.

IT WAS JUST VERY CONFUSING.

SO WE CONSOLIDATED IT AND NOW ALL OF THE STAR EXPENDITURES THAT YOU'LL SEE PREVIOUSLY ARE JUST VET SERVICES.

SHE CAN USE ALL STAR DONATIONS FOR VET SERVICES.

SO IT MAY, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE LESS CONFUSING.

YEAH.

AND MEDICATIONS AND PREVENTATIVES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT CAN COME OUT OF STAR.

ANYTHING MEDICAL.

MS. NINA, DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE STAR EXPENDITURES SO EVERYBODY WHO'S LISTENING WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? UH, SO THE WAYSTAR COMES IN IS FROM INDIVIDUAL DONORS.

UM, I HAVEN'T FOUND A GRANT TO PUT IN THERE YET, BUT I'M STILL TRYING.

UM, SO INDIVIDUALS, UM, CITIZENS AND, WELL, PEOPLE FROM, FROM EVERYWHERE DONATE TO THE STAR PROGRAM AND SO THAT'S SPECIAL TREATMENT AND RECOVERY.

SO WHEN ANIMALS COME IN AND THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST A SPAY NEUTER AND A VACCINATION TO GET 'EM READY FOR ADOPTION, SAY THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, X-RAYS, THEY NEED TO GET A SURGERY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE RAISE MONEY IN STAR SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE ANIMALS ADOPTABLE TOO.

UM, SO THE CITY DOES STILL PAY FOR, FOR SPAY NEUTER AND THEY PAY FOR JUST THE BASICS.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT I'VE TAKEN FROM THE CITY MONEY.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS COME FROM STAR.

WE'RE UP TO, LAST TIME I CHECKED IT WAS LIKE $41,000 THAT WE RAISED IN STAR THIS YEAR FOR ME.

HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF STAR? IS THERE A MECHANISM THAT PEOPLE FIND OUT HOW TO DONATE

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TO THIS PROGRAM? WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SQUARE ACCOUNT AND WE POST THAT ON EVERYTHING.

I HAVE A QR CODE ON ALL OF OUR EVENT EQUIPMENT.

UM, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE.

WE POST IT ON FACEBOOK SUPER, SUPER OFTEN.

UM, THERE'S ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT WE USE THAT'S A PART OF STAR, THAT'S GUARDIAN ANGEL WHERE THEY CAN SIGN UP ONCE AND THEN THEIR MONEY COMES, IS AUTOMATICALLY DRAFTED MONTHLY TO GO TO THE SHELTER.

I'M WONDERING IF WE, THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES, IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS LOCAL BUSINESS AROUND HERE, MUCH LIKE IF YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, DONATE A DIME TO THIS, YOU KNOW, TEXAS CHILL, WHATEVER IT IS, I'M, IF WE CAN PARTNER WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES HERE THAT IT MAY BE AN ADDON.

LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DONATE A DOLLAR, WHATEVER IT IS.

MAYBE SOMEBODY TO CONSIDER WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESSES HELPING SUPPORT PERHAPS WE'LL START WITH THE ZIEGLER'S WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING WITH 'EM TOMORROW.

YEAH.

MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ROUND UP THE NEXT DOLLAR.

YEP.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER, UH, NUMBERS POKE, POKE OUT AT ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? I DO, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH YOU.

OKAY.

UNDER, UH, EMPLOYEE GROUP INSURANCE, WE WENT FROM 30,000 TO 75,000 EMPLOYEE GROUP, UH, EXPENDITURE, UH, SALARY AND BENEFITS.

THE 30,000 TO THE 75,000? YES.

YES SIR.

THAT'S, UH, TO ACCOUNT FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, OUR EMPLOYEES DEAL WITH ANIMALS AND, AND DOG BITES AND THIS AND THAT.

AND WE SAW A TREND, UH, OF, UH, OF, UH, OF AN INCREASE IN OUR INSURANCE CLAIMS. SO THAT'S JUST TO AN ACCOUNT FOR, UH, THOSE INCREASES, UH, THAT, THAT WE'LL SEE IN THE INSURANCE, SO.

OH, OKAY.

YES SIR.

I CAN TELL YOU WHY THAT HAPPENED TOO.

SO BECAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF THAT I CAN SERIOUSLY TRAIN TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ANIMALS THAT COME OFF THE STREETS AND OUT OF CRUELTY CASES.

WE'VE INVOLVED VOLUNTEERS SO MUCH.

WE TRAIN THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

AND SO THINGS HAPPEN, UM, EVERYONE THAT COMES IN TO DO SAFARI GETS TRAINED AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY DOUBLED OUR VOLUNTEER HOURS THIS YEAR TOO.

AND SO HAVING MORE, MORE VOLUNTEERS THAN STAFF.

THAT'S, I'M SURE THAT'S ATTRIBUTING TO THAT.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

YEAH, YEAH.

YEAH.

TO MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND UH, THIS WAS, UH, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP MONTHS AGO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

THIS WAS, THIS WAS LAST YEAR.

I BELIEVE THESE ACCIDENTS OCCURRED.

YEAH.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO WE'RE SEEING THOSE EFFECTS NOW WITH THE INSURANCE.

SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW TWO OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GONNA NEED TO GET OUTTA HERE BY SEVEN 15, SO WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PIN A, A NAIL IN THIS THING FOR THE, FOR TONIGHT AND THEN MOVE ON.

UH, I GUESS NEXT.

WHEN WOULD IT BE THE NEXT ONE? ALL EVER.

MY MIC'S GOING IN AND OUT.

I'M SORRY.

.

UH, YOU'RE GOOD? YES SIR.

WHENEVER WE WOULD LIKE, WE'LL PICK IT UP.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL JUST SAY, WE'LL TAKE A HOLD OFF OF BY, AFTER BY ANIMAL SERVICE.

WE'LL PICK IT BACK UP, YOU KNOW, ON THE NEXT ONE.

UM, SO THEN MEETING ADJOURNED, UH, BEFORE YOU DO RIGHT.

THE NEXT ONE'S WHAT? COUNCIL MEETING? CORRECT? YES SIR.

TUESDAY NIGHT, FIVE 30.

ALRIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S UP TO, UP TO THE COUNCIL.

YOU TELL ME.

WELL, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

CAN WE GET ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE? YEAH, THAT'S THE DR.

HOPE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

HUH UH, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING LINE BY LINE, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE FUNDS THAT I THINK ARE GONNA GET PROBABLY WE'RE GONNA GET BOGGED DOWN IN.

SO I THINK FIVE 30, YOU START AT FIVE 30 TUESDAY START AT FIVE 30 ON TUESDAY.

WHO'S HE? OKAY, I GOT, SOUNDS GOOD.

WHILE WE'RE ON IT.

OKAY, SIR, I ASKED YOU ABOUT IT EARLIER.

I, I SEE WHAT IT DID.

IT WAS UNDER THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FINANCING.

YES, SIR.

WHEN I SEEN THAT PAGE, I DIDN'T SEE NO, UH UH, THE NORMAL STUFF FOR THE EMPLOYEES.

SO IT'S OVER HERE UNDERNEATH THE, UH, STREET MAINTENANCE FUND.

YES.

STREET MAINTENANCE FUND.

SO THIS IS THE, STILL, THE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND IS STILL PAYING FOR ALL THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

WE MOVED A FEW LINE ITEMS THAT WE, WE CANNOT DIRECTLY CORRELATE TO ACTUAL STREET MAINTENANCE, LIKE OFFICE SUPPLIES, BUILDING MAINTENANCE.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THERE.

SO WE MOVED CERTAIN ITEMS OUT OF THE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND THAT WE KNOW DO NOT DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE EXISTING STREETS WE ARE CURRENTLY RESTRUCTURING AND, UH, CHANGING THE ACCOUNTING OF HOW WE CAN CHARGE.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AREA WITHIN THIS AND THIS IS GONNA TAKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL GET INTO TUESDAY NIGHT.

'CAUSE THIS WILL TAKE HOURS.

SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I, WHY I

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WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AT LEAST AN HOUR AND A HALF 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING UP THAT WE NEED TO DEFINITELY GO OVER.

SO CORRECT AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

YEP.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL THEN, UH, THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE MEETING, ADJOURN.