Feb 25, 2025 City Council

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK.

COUNCIL MEMBER TOWNSEND, UH, JUST WELCOME EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US IN PERSON AND ONLINE.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

THE COMMUNITY TRASH BASH WILL TAKE PLACE ON SATURDAY, MARCH 29TH.

YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE KEEP DICKINSON BEAUTIFUL, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO JOIN YOUR LOCAL CLEANUP, JOIN ONE OF THE LOCAL TEAMS THAT DAY.

UH, LET'S HELP KEEP DICKINSON BEAUTIFUL.

UM, I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO THE FOUR STUDENTS AT DICKINSON HIGH SCHOOL WHO HELPED ORGANIZE A GOFUNDME FOR FUNDRAISER FOR A BELOVED CUSTODIAN ON CAMPUS.

THE CUSTODIAN RECENTLY HAD SOME CAR TROUBLE, AND THE KIDS JUMPED IN TO START A GOFUNDME FOR HIM AND RAISED OVER $13,000, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PRESENT HIM WITH THE MONEY TODAY DURING LUNCH.

IT WAS A REALLY WONDERFUL MOMENT AND A SHOW OF GATOR SPIRIT.

SO IF YOU KNOW THOSE KIDS OR ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT FUNDRAISER, TELL 'EM THANK YOU.

UH, BIO ANIMAL SERVICES HAS SOME ONGOING NEEDS FOR VOLUNTEERS.

WASHING CLOTHES, DISHES, WASHING DOGS, UH, WALKING DOGS, ASSISTING THE SHELTER IN MANY WAYS.

UH, THERE'S TONS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN JUMP IN TO HELP CHECK OUT THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE FOR ADOPTABLE ANIMALS OR CONTACT THE SHELTER FOR MORE INFORMATION.

FINALLY, I THINK I SEE SOME DHS OR HUT STUDENTS IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE.

GO GATORS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, I'LL BE BRIEF, WELCOME TO EVERYONE HERE, UH, BOTH IN PERSON AND ONLINE.

ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE.

UH, PARTICIPATION.

UH, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, I'VE GONE TO THE HGAC FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, ALSO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING.

AND, UH, LATER ON THIS WEEK WILL BE THE WATER RESOURCE, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL.

UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS, MAYOR.

I HAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, POLICE THERE AT TWO O O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

AND, UH, I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE.

UM, I'LL KEEP IT, TRY TO KEEP IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

UH, TODAY ACTUALLY, UM, I MET WITH THE HOUSTON, UH, HEAD A OR HEAD ENGINEER, UM, ALL OVER HOUSTON TDOT.

UM, HIS NAME'S GLENN AL ALBRITTON.

UM, DIDN'T GET A LOT OF LUCK, UH, DOWN IN THE GALVESTON COUNTY ONE.

SO HE ANSWERED ME A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR ME.

AND, UH, HE WILL, UH, BE LOOKING INTO THE MEDIANS, UH, BETWEEN 45 AND 6 46 BY, YOU KNOW, ON HIS OWN.

UM, AND THEN ALSO HE GAVE ME HIS PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER, AS WELL AS HIS HEAD ENGINEER THAT WORKS FOR HIM, AS WELL AS HIS MAINTENANCE.

UH, THE OTHER THING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO, UH, IS COME BACK TO THE TABLE SO WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE.

FOUND OUT THE COUNTY OR THE CITY HAS HAD ONE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, UH, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED.

SO WE'RE GONNA WORK ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS SO THAT OUR CITY STARTS TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND TXDOT, YOU KNOW, CARRIES THEIR WEIGHT AS WELL AS WE CARRY OUR OWN.

UM, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO GIVE A KUDOS OUT IS TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS ESPECIALLY.

UM, A FEW, COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I HAD ACTUALLY A FORD MUSTANG RUN INTO MY YARD SLASH PASTURE, UH, AND IT BURST INTO FLAMES.

AND

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UH, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A, UH, UH, DRIVER THAT ABANDONED THE VEHICLE, BUT IT WAS ON FIRE.

AND I WILL GIVE KUDOS TO THE ROOKIE THAT THEY HAVE, WAS WORKING HIS BUTT OFF TO, UH, EXTINGUISH THE FIRE AS WELL AS HELP CORRAL ALL OF OUR HORSES BECAUSE IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.

SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS FOR HELPING ME OUT.

UM, SORRY, YOU HAD TO SEE YOUR MARE IN HIS UNDERWEAR.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, LET'S, UH, GO TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER UPDATE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, SHORT AND SWEET REALLY IS TO BRING UP THAT, UH, WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING, UH, FOR THIS WEEK, ESPECIALLY TODAY, WE HAD, UH, I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, UH, CHASE, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UH, ON GETTING HIM ONBOARDED FULLY WITH SOME OF OUR, UH, PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I'VE USUALLY TAKEN THE LEAD ON THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF SOME OF THE THINGS.

AND SO DAVE, UH, FUNK AND I, UH, WE'RE ONBOARDING HIM AND WE'RE ACTUALLY BROUGHT DEVELOPERS IN TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDED, UH, FOR EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS AND HOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH, UH, MULTIPLE ENTITIES TO FINALIZE SOME OF THE AGREEMENTS.

UM, UM, FOR THE REST OF THIS WEEK, MY GOAL IS TO CONTINUE HAVING A COUPLE OF MEETINGS OFF AND ON WITH, UH, WITH OUR EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM, UH, AS WE, UH, CONTINUE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT TRANSITION.

UH, WHAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS, IS THAT WE, UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE COMING UP LATER IN, IN THE, IN THE COUNCIL AGENDA, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT IT RIGHT NOW, WAS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE PROJECT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE 34TH STREET TO MAKE IT MORE, UH, ACCESSIBLE FROM BAKER, UH, TO GET TOWARD CALIFORNIA.

AND THEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO A FULL RUN OF CALIFORNIA WAS OUR ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL.

BUT THEN WITH THE COUNTY DOING THE NORTH PORTION OF CALIFORNIA, WE WENT BACK AND ASKED THEM, UH, IF THEY WOULD RE-SCOPE THE PROJECT AND, AND, AND ALLOW US TO TAKE ALL THE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE GONNA GO UP AND DOWN, UH, CALIFORNIA AND REPURPOSE THAT FUNDING FOR, FOR THE PAVING.

AND WHAT WE RECEIVED, UH, WAS THE AKAY FOR THAT.

UH, AND SO THAT YOU'LL NOW SEE THE KIND OF SOUTHERN PORTION OF CALIFORNIA STILL NORTH OF FIVE 17, BUT BETWEEN GUM BAYOU AND FIVE 17 WILL COME AT THE COST OF ONLY THE ENGINEERING COSTS FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

AND THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS ON 34TH TO CONNECT TO THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON ON BAKER.

SO THAT'S KIND OF, SO I'LL GIVE YOU, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE BIG PICTURE OF HOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL NETWORK STARTED UP.

AND SO THAT'LL BE IN PHASE TWO OF THAT AS WELL.

SO, UM, ALSO WANTED TO, UH, UH, BRING UP THAT WE HAVE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, UH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON, ESPECIALLY IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.

UH, UH, TRAVIS AND MIKE HAVE BEEN DOING A, A REALLY OUTSTANDING JOB.

I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IS THAT OUR TRANSITION OF MOVING NOT JUST THE, UH, UH, UH, DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS, BUT ALSO, UH, MOST OF OUR CODE WILL NOW BE GOING INTO MUNICIPAL COURT.

I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT FLOW.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING VERY EARLY ON, AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF RESPONSE FROM THE RESIDENTS.

UM, THEY ARE, WHEN THEY SEE THAT IT'S THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND NOT JUST TALKING TO THE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.

WE'RE GETTING A LOT HIGHER RESPONSE RATE NOW FOR, UH, FOR SOME TYPE OF COMPLIANCE.

SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WELL.

THE, UH, THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO PUT IN FOR THAT.

UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.

ON THAT PROJECT FOR CALIFORNIA 34TH, THEY WHAT SIDE? THE 34TH OR THEY PUT IN THE SIDEWALK? I BELIEVE THAT FOR 34TH, I BELIEVE IT'S, I BELIEVE I'D HAVE TO, TO, UH, LOOK AT THE DESIGN, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE.

I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE, SIR.

AND THEN WHEN THEY GO FROM FIVE 17 TO THE GUN BIO MM-HMM .

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER PORTION FROM THE BRIDGE TO THE COUNTY LINE.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF, UH, WHEN, IF YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THIS WHOLE SAGA BECAUSE THE BOND WAS ISSUED SO LONG AGO THAT THE, THAT THE, THE COST JUST EXPLODED OUT OF THE DEAL.

SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS, IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY FUND, UH, THE NORTH PORTION, SINCE THAT'S MOSTLY COUNTY, SO THAT THE CITIES MATCH ON THAT FOR OUR LINEAR FEAT WILL BE ABOUT $130,000.

THEN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA PICK UP AT GUM BAYOU WITH A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER WEST GUM.

AND THEN FROM THERE, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE EIGHT, THE NEW H CIP GRANT WILL COME IN AT THAT POINT.

AND THEN THAT'S, AND THEN THAT WILL BE AT ENGINEERING COST ONLY

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BUT THEY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA, THERE'S GONNA BE A FINITE NUMBER OF MONEY THEY'RE GONNA DO IN THE NEXT MONTH.

SO IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT ENGINEERING COST, THEN IT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY IF WE'RE GONNA DECIDE TO DO SOUTH CALIFORNIA OR PARK OR SOMETHING.

SO JUST UNDERSTAND, IT'S KIND OF, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL PLAYING TOGETHER.

RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, MANAGER? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO

[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO GIVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, LASTING NOT LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES.

COMMENTS MAY BE GENERAL IN NATURE OR MAY ADDRESS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AND SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTED AT THE OR AND SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR STAFF.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS OR USING VULGAR OR PROFANE LANGUAGE SHALL FORFEIT HIS OR HER REMAINING TIME AND SHALL BE SEATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DELIBERATE.

UH, THE FIRST ONE I GOT IS, UH, JOE WILBURN.

WELL, JOE WILBURN LIVE RIGHT HERE IN, IN DICKINSON, TEXAS.

AND I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK ANY OF Y'ALL IF, UH, IF ANYBODY KNOWS THAT THE, UH, CITY MANAGER OF SANTA FE HAS LEFT AND GONE TO A NEW JOB? ANYBODY HERE KNOW? ANYBODY KNOW THAT? YEAH.

AND IS GRANTED THAT SPECIAL MEETING OVER HIS EMPLOYMENT AND POSSIBLE SEPARATION.

THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT'S HURT, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY HAS, HAS WRITTEN TO ANY CITY THAT HE WENT TO OR CAME FROM AND SAID THAT THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

UH, AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF UPROAR HERE ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED.

AND I THINK, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AFFECTED IN A VERY NEGATIVE WAY.

I KNOW I HAVE.

I I, I WAS ALMOST PUT IN JAIL.

UH, HE TOLD ME RIGHT HERE AT THIS DOOR ONE DAY, HE WAS GONNA PUT ME IN JAIL BECAUSE MY IDEA FAVORED HIS IDEAS.

AND, AND I PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BE PART OF ANY OF THIS IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT.

IT WAS, UH, IT WAS, IT, IT KIND OF RUINED ME.

YOU KNOW? I MADE THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER AND NOW THINGS ARE BEING SAID ON THE INTERNET THAT, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTACKED IN MR. UH, MILON? AND, UM, AND I FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY BEING ATTACKED.

BUT THE POINT OF ALL THIS IS, UM, HOW COULD SO MANY PEOPLE TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND TAKE THE TIME TO CALL PEOPLE AND DO WHAT THEY DID? I WASN'T ONE OF 'EM.

I DIDN'T CALL UP TO NAVASOTA.

I KEPT MY STUFF RIGHT HERE IN, IN DICKINSON.

I FIGHT MY BATTLE RIGHT HERE.

BUT HOW COULD SO MANY PEOPLE BE AFFECTED? AND HOW COULD IT BE THAT, UH, MR. MALSON COULD GET A, UH, A MEETING CALLED IN SUCH SHORT ORDER FOR HIMSELF TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL THAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO FUND WHILE HIS, WHILE HIS CAR, AND, AND, AND HE ALREADY KNOWS HE'S GOT A JOB WITH A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT OVER IN NAVASOTA.

HOW COULD THAT, HOW COULD THAT COME TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION SO FAST? YET WE COULDN'T GET PAST THIS MAN WHEN 1300 CITIZENS SHOWED UP FOR A RECALL.

WE COULDN'T EVEN BRING IT TO VOTE FOR THE COUNCIL.

I'M SAYING ALL THIS TO SAY WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A SHARP STICK, REAL HOT OUT OF A FIRE JABBED THROUGH OUR EYE, BECAUSE RUMOR HAS IT THAT THERE'S BEEN A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT FOR HIM TO LEAVE.

AND I THINK HE NEGOTIATED.

SOME OF Y'ALL MAY HAVE KNEW THAT HE ALREADY HAD THIS JOB IN NAVI, SO I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT DON'T FEEL GOOD.

IT DON'T HAVE A GOOD FEELING THAT, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY TO LEAVE WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING A TRUCK THAT'S BEING PAID FOR BY THE COUNCIL TO NAVASOTA TO NEGOTIATE A JOB FOR NO TELLING HOW LONG.

WHO KNOWS IF FOOD BILLS ARE GONNA BE PAID? AND I, AND I, I SET IT ON THE INTERNET, AND I DO, I HOPE, I HOPE THEO GOES SOMEWHERE AND HE DOES HIS BEST, AND, AND HE CAN TURN HIS LIFE AROUND AND, AND DICKINSON CAN TURN THEIR LIFE AROUND.

BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD HAVE TO PAY ONE NICKEL FOR MR. MALSON TO GO AFTER MAYBE LYING TO YOU ALL.

BUT I KNOW, I FEEL THE PUBLIC'S BEEN ALIGNED TO, IF YOU ALREADY HAD A JOB AND HE COME AND NEGOTIATED A SETTLEMENT WITH YOU ALL, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS AN HONEST GESTURE.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT, IT IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITIZENS TO BE DOING.

THAT'S THREE MINUTES, SIR.

WHAT'S THAT? OKAY, GOOD.

TIME IS UP.

GOOD.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU GUYS AND, UH, I HOPE THE BEST.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALRIGHT, NEXT ON THE LIST IS, UH, MR. DAVID LEHMAN.

I, I WANNA SECOND MR. WILBUR'S COMMENTS.

UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M UP HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ABOUT.

AND WE DID NOT DISCUSS WHAT WE WERE GONNA SPEAK ABOUT, UH, EARLIER IN THE DAY OR EARLIER IN THE WEEK.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW ONE ETHICALLY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, LOOKS FOR A ASKED FOR A SPECIAL MEETING HERE IN DICKINSON,

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AND AT THE SAME TIME, BE NEGOTIATING WITH ANOTHER CITY AND ALSO ASKING FOR, WHILE HE'S DOING THIS, ASKING FOR SEVERANCE PACKAGE FROM THE CITY THAT HE'S LEAVING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ONE MORALLY DOES THAT.

HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DO 90%, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF YOUR JOB HERE IN DICKINSON WHILE YOU'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB AND INTERVIEWING AT ANOTHER JOB AND DRIVING TO ANOTHER JOB WHILE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, MAKING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER WEEK, NOT A COUPLE THOUSAND, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER WEEK PLUS EXPENSES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ONE DOES THAT.

I SUGGEST TONIGHT THAT YOU TABLE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING ON SEVERANCE AND DECIDE THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT AFTER HE'S LANDED SOMEWHERE.

IF HE LANDS SOMEWHERE, WHEN HE LANDS SOMEWHERE.

AND I, UH, I'M, I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THE CITY OF DICKINSON.

I'M NOT LOOKING OUT FOR MR. MILSON.

HE'S DONE VERY WELL FOR HIMSELF WRITING HIS OWN CONTRACT AND CHANGING THE CHARTER, OR GETTING HR TO CHANGE THE CHARTER SO HE COULD HAVE ALCOHOLIC DRINKS AND, AND, AND, UH, SPEND, UH, GOOD TIMES WITH DEVELOPERS.

WE'VE GOT AN ATTORNEY HERE THAT'S FULL TIME NOW.

UH, LET HIM FIGHT MR. MILAN SAW ON SEVERANCE.

THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.

UH, WE COULDN'T GET THE RAILROAD TRACKS FIXED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

MR. MILAN SAW COULDN'T DO IT.

SO I CALLED THE CITY AND I MET WITH A ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, WHO'S STILL THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

AND HIS RESPONSE TO ME, I, I ASK, WHAT IN THE WORLD'S GOING ON WITH OUR RAILROAD TRACKS? WE GOT BOLTS STICKING OUT TWO INCHES IF A MOTORCYCLE GOES OVER IT, THAT GUY MIGHT BE LAYING ON THIS, ON THE, ON THE ASPHALT OVER THERE, THE CONCRETE, UH, WITH MAJOR INJURIES.

AND THEY, AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE NO RESPONSE FROM UNION PACIFIC.

SO I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT I TOOK CARE OF THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS TWICE IN 13 MONTHS.

NOT ANYBODY HERE I DID.

I MET WITH UP, I TALKED TO UP, I INSTRUCTED UP ON WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND HOW THEY NEEDED TO DO IT.

AND THE FIRST GROUP DIDN'T DO IT, AND THE SECOND GROUP DID.

NOW WE GOT ASPHALT ISSUES.

AND HOPEFULLY, MR. MAYOR WITH THE TEXT DOC, WE CAN GET THAT RESOLVED.

Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

WALLY DIETZ DICKINSON.

YOU GUYS MISS ME.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UH, I SAW AN EMAIL FROM, UM, JULIE WALKER STATING THAT, UH, THE BOAT DOCK PARKING LOT AND BOAT RAMP WORK WAS SUPPOSED TO START IN FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT.

UH, BUT SINCE THAT WOULD PUT US, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO USE, I GUESS 1 46 WOULD BE THE CLOSEST, UH, RAMP.

UH, WE MAY NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S REALLY GONNA HAPPEN.

AND I HOPE IT IS 'CAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

BUT, UM, PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WAY AHEAD OF TIME.

I KNOW MY NEIGHBOR JUST GOT HIS BOAT IN THE WATER TODAY, SO THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THIS SPRING WANTING TO PUT THE BOATS BACK IN.

THE OTHER THING IS I WAS GLAD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I HADN'T BEEN TO A MEETING IN A WHILE, BUT I WAS GLAD TO SEE FROM THE NOVEMBER ELECTION THAT, UH, COUNCIL WENT AHEAD AND RATIFIED THE, UH, NOVEMBER ELECTION RESULTS FOR MAYOR AND CONGRATULATIONS.

UH, THE OTHER THING THOUGH WAS, UH, THAT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY WERE ON A NON-BINDING REFERENDUM WERE FOUR FIREWORKS AND COUNCIL CHOSE TO BUCK THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

SO MAYBE THE NEW COUNCIL WILL RECONSIDER THAT AGAIN.

AND, UH, WE CAN GET THE WILL WILL OF THE PEOPLE INSTITUTED.

LAST ITEM I HAVE IS THAT ITEM EIGHT NINE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSING THE, UH, CITY MANAGER.

UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND AND REQUEST THAT YOU GUYS HOLD THAT IN OPEN MEETING.

THERE'S NO REASON FOR THAT TO BE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

PUBLIC OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS AROUND THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER FOUR ARE SHARON GRIBBLE.

MS. SHARON GRIBBLE? YES.

NOW I'M REAL NERVOUS, SO EXCUSE ME.

I HAVE A BRIEF I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SEE, MAYOR, PLEASE, IF I CAN PASS THAT AROUND TO YOU.

SURE.

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I WAS HERE ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO COMPLAINING ABOUT MY NEIGHBORS.

I HAVE CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT TO NO AVAIL, NO HELP.

I DID FINALLY COME UP HERE AND THERE'S ONE CITY COUNCILMAN THAT I'M REAL THANKFUL FOR THAT HE HAS TRIED TO HELP ME.

I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS ON THIS, BUT THERE'S FOUR.

THIS PLACE HAS BEEN BUSTED AT LEAST FIVE TIMES THAT I KNOW OF.

UM, I'VE HAD RATS IN MY YARD, ROACHES IN MY HOUSE FROM IT.

I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.

AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, AND ME CALLING FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS.

AND I AM NOT GETTING ANY HELP.

THEY HAVE HAD, THEY HAVE NO ELECTRICAL METER, WHICH I KNOW THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ELECTRICITY, THEN IT CAN BE CONDEMNED.

AS FAR AS BEING IN UNINHABITABLE, I THINK WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S IN CHARGE OF GETTING THIS DONE NEEDS TO GET IT DONE.

I'M GETTING OLDER.

I'M OVER 70.

I HAVE A DISABLED SON HERE THAT IS GONNA BE LEFT BY HIMSELF.

WHAT'S A CAREGIVER? AND I HOPE THAT THIS GETS RESOLVED BEFORE I'M GONE.

THAT'S IT.

AND I'M REALLY SERIOUS THAT I'M NOT GONNA STOP IT IS GOTTA GET FIXED.

THAT'S THUGS AND DOPE HEADS, AND NOW THEY'RE ALL BACK AND THE DOG IS RUNNING LOOSE AGAIN AND IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

JUST THE HOUSE BEHIND ROGERS THAT'S BURNED A COUPLE TIMES.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AND THEY'RE STEADILY BURNING TRASH.

I THINK THAT THEY BRING STUFF IN THAT THEY STEAL AND THEY'RE BURNING WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY CAN'T SELL BECAUSE I TAKE MY DOGS OUT AT NIGHT AND I CAN SMELL.

AND THE LAST TIME WHEN THAT APARTMENT BURNED DOWN, I HAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT KNOCKING ON MY DOOR AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING BECAUSE THAT GARAGE APARTMENT BURNED UP AND IT WAS RIGHT THERE BY MY, BY MY FENCE.

OKAY, I'LL, I'LL PERSONALLY WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

UH, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

NICE MEETING YOU.

NUMBER FIVE,

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

CONSENT AGENDA.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.

THERE WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUEST.

IN WHICH EVENT, THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

GOT A SET MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION.

UH, WE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LINTON.

AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

AND GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

NUMBER SIX,

[6.A ORDINANCE XXX-2025 Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance of the City of Dickinson, Texas, to grant a Conditional Use Permit for a Place of Public Assembly "Church" in the Mixed Use ("MU") Zoning District, for approx. 0.8471 acres located at 303 E FM 517, SUITE 309 and legally described as ABST 19 PERRY & AUSTIN SUR PT OF LOT 138 (2-3) DICKINSON ADDN D AKA PT OF TRACT B. (2nd reading)]

OLD BUSINESS SIX.

A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS TO GRANT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PLACE OF PUBLIC ASSEMBLY CHURCH IN THE MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.8471 ACRES LOCATED AT 3 0 3 EAST FM FIVE 17, SUITE 3 0 9 AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 19.

PERRY AND AUSTIN, SIR.

POINT OF LOT.

1 3 8 2 DASH THREE DICKINSON EDITION.

DAKA POINT OF TRACK.

BRAVO SECOND READING.

NOW A MOVE SECOND.

GOT A MOTION FROM GET IT.

WE GOT, UH, ANYTHING FROM THIS ONE? UH, NOT A LOT.

UH, THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE APPROVAL FROM LAST TIME TOOK INTO ACCOUNT, UH, P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION OF A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT TO BE FINALIZED.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE ME, UH, WITH A COPY TONIGHT.

UH, HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTARIZED.

UH, SO I DO PLAN TO GET THAT PROPERLY FILLED OUT BEFORE ISSUING A CO.

UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THE FACT THAT THIS, UH, THIS TRIP CENTER HAS APPROXIMATELY 35 PARKING SPACES AND THE CHURCH, UH, BY ORDINANCE ONLY REQUIRES 17.

SO THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING.

ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS FROM COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT, WELL, IF NOTHING, UH, I GUESS WE'LL GET A VOTE.

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ALRIGHT.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO ABANDON AN UNDEVELOPED RIGHT OF WAY, GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF DIESEL DRIVE AND NORTH OF HUGHES ROAD.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASS.

SIX B

[6.B ORDINANCE XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance to abandon an undeveloped right-of-way generally located west of Desel Drive and north of Hughes Road. (2nd Reading)]

SECOND READING.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE.

GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON, DO I HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS OR ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS FROM COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

C CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS TO AMEND CHAPTER TWO, ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY OF DICKENS, CODE OF ORDINANCE BY AMENDING SECTION TWO DASH FIVE SEVEN ENTITLED COMPLAINTS AGAINST OFFICERS AND SECTION TWO DASH FIVE NINE ENTITLED INTERPRETATION OF CONTENT PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AS A REPE, A REPEAL OR CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

GOT MOTION CARRIED,

[6.C ORDINANCE XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an ordinance of the City of Dickinson, Texas, to amend Chapter 2, Administration, of the City of Dickinson Code of Ordinances, by amending section 2-57, entitled “Complaints Against Officers” and section 2-59, entitled “interpretation of content”; providing a severability clause, a repealer clause, and an effective date. (2nd Reading)]

SECOND READING.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

I GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER LINTON.

UH, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR PRESENTATIONS? NOTHING.

SO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

SEVEN NEW BUSINESS SEVEN.

OPPOSED? AYE.

GOT FOUR YAYS, TWO NAYS MOTION PASSED.

NAY NAYS, UH, SCHICK AND TOWNSEND? YEP.

ALAN, ALL

[7.A. RESOLUTION NO. XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a Resolution of the City Council of the City of Dickinson, Texas, approving the terms and conditions of an interlocal agreement between the City of Dickinson, Texas, and the Gulf Coast Transit District, regarding transit service in Dickinson.]

A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO PROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS, APPROVING THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF AN INTERLOCK INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS AND THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT REGARDING TRANSIT SERVICE AND DICKINSON.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

I GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THEREFORE DISCUSSION.

ALRIGHT, SECOND FOR COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

UH, ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, HEAR WHAT WE GOT.

YEAH, SO JUST TO BRING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, UM, THIS IS AN PRETTY MUCH AN ANNUAL AGREEMENT THAT WE DO WITH AT GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT.

UM, THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY RUN OUR BUS ROUTES THROUGH TOWN.

UM, UH, THEY RECENTLY SWITCHED OVER TO, UM, UH, A RIDE SHARE SERVICE.

UM, THEY'VE ALSO HAD A FEW, UH, TRANSITIONS AND PERSONNEL.

AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HAD, UH, SOME DISCUSSIONS ON WAS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE APPROVING THIS, IS THAT WERE THEY PLANNING ON EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RESTAFFING GETTING KIND OF THINGS BACK UP TO THE OLD SERVICE LEVELS, THAT IS THE PLAN.

UM, BUT, UH, KIND OF TO THEIR POINT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE FUNDING AND SO FORTH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO HIRE THE, THE BUS PEOPLE AND, AND KIND OF GET SOME THINGS BACK UP AND RUNNING.

SO THEY'RE KIND OF IN TRANSITION TRYING TO GET IT BACK UP AND RUNNING.

UM, TRYING TO GET THAT RIDE SHARE, UM, COMPONENT TO ALSO HAVE A BETTER RESPONSE TIME AS WELL.

UM, BUT THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME TRANSITION, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HELD WITH THAT DISTRICT BEFORE WE COMMITTED, BUT THIS HAS BEEN KIND OF THE BOILERPLATE AGREEMENT FOR, FOR A WHILE.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF HELD IT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I JUST WANTED TO GET A DIALOGUE WITH THEM.

BUT ANYWAY, CARRY ON.

UH, OH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, UH, WITH RIDERSHIP DIMINISHING THEIR ROUTES GOING AWAY AND THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T, UH, TAKE THE PEOPLE TO OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, THEY TAKE THEM TO LEAGUE CITY BUSINESSES.

I'M, UH, I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE, WHY WE NEED THIS.

I THINK THIS MAY HAVE, UH, HAVE RUN ITS COURSE.

UH, WELL THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF THEY NO LONGER WANT TO DO, UH, THE TRANSIT DISTRICT AND ROUTING AND SO FORTH.

LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME, THE REASON WHY I HELD IT OFF WAS 'CAUSE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN WAS.

THEIR PLAN IS TO TRY TO GET BACK UP AND RUNNING TO WHERE THEY WERE AND SO FORTH.

THEY JUST BEEN GOING THROUGH A LOT OF TRANSITION.

YEAH, I, I, UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SOME THINGS ABOUT THIS.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS ACTUALLY COMES OUT OF THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BUDGET.

UM, AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT RAISING THE PRICE, BUT ALSO REDUCING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

UM, I KNOW THEY HAVE A PREDETERMINED ROUTE THAT TAKES THEM PREDOMINANTLY ALL OVER THE

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GULF COAST.

UM, SO I THINK IF THERE'S A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD ABOUT WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK, UH, MENTIONED, MAYBE WE DO DISCUSS, UH, ALTERNATE ALTERING THE ROUTES IF THAT'S A, A POSSIBILITY.

UM, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT RAISING THE PRICE AND THEN GOING FROM A STANDARD BUS STOP PICKUP TO UBER WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS TO SCAN A QR CODE ON THEIR PHONE IN ORDER TO REQUEST A PICKUP FROM THE LIBRARY.

UM, AND I KNOW DICKINSON IS, IS NOT, I'M COMPLETELY INNOCENT IN THIS.

UM, I KNOW DURING CERTAIN TRANSITIONS BEFORE, UH, MR. MILLSTEIN GOT HERE, WE ACTUALLY WENT THREE YEARS WITHOUT PAYING THEM.

SO FULL DISCLOSURE, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER HERE.

UM, BUT I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT, I'M JUST, MY CONCERN HAS BEEN RAISING THE PRICE, BUT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PICKUPS AND, AND MAYBE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ROUTES.

WELL, I MEAN, UH, THERE'S, JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO TABLE, WE COULD TABLE.

AND THAT WOULD GIVE TIME FOR SAY, A MEETING WITH, UH, MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, SIMPSON, SINCE THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED, COUNCIL MEMBER SCH AND MAYBE A STAFF AND, AND GET WITH THEIR NEW, NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT.

I, OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT A CHANCE I'M EVER GOING TO AGREE TO GET LESS SERVICE FOR MORE MONEY.

THERE'S NOT A CHANCE I'M EVER GONNA AGREE TO THAT TONIGHT OR EVER.

UM, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT, LIKE, HOW DO WE KNOW HOW MANY DICKINSON INDIVIDUALS, CITIZENS ACTUALLY USE THAT SERVICE? IT, IT'S NOT ME.

I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND LIE AND SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HIGH AMOUNT.

I MEAN, NORMALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANY OF THE BUS STOPS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO, THREE PEOPLE WAITING.

YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO THOSE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, I MEAN IT, SO FOR THOSE MAYBE TWO TO THREE PEOPLE, IT IS A LIFELINE.

'CAUSE IT DOES TAKE YOU TO THE LIBRARY.

IT MAY DROP YOU, I THINK IT USED TO GO TO THE KROGER, BUT THEY'VE, THEY'VE SHIFTED TO STOP.

UM, SO I MEAN, IT TOOK YOU TO, YOU KNOW, A GROCERY STORE.

IT TOOK YOU TO LIBRARY FOR INTERNET USE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAD, LIKE, THERE WERE REASONS FOR THE STOPS.

UM, SO YEAH, THE RIDERSHIP ISN'T HIGH, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE FEW PEOPLE IT IS, IT IS, IT IS IMPORTANT DEAL, YOU KNOW, BUT THOSE ROUTES AREN'T GOING AWAY.

SO IF, HOW DOES IT COST? WHAT DOES IT COST FOR THE CITIZENS TO I HAVE NEVER RIDDEN THIS.

I'VE NEVER LOOKED INTO IT.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S ONE BUCK.

WELL IT'S LIKE $1 EACH WAY PER RIDE.

UM, AND UH, I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, UH, NO, NO.

SO LIKE, IF WITHOUT PAYING IT, THEN IF THEY, IF THEY REESTABLISH ROUTES OR THEY DO THE RIDE SHARE, UM, THEN, THEN, UH, DICKINSON WILL BE ELIMINATED FROM IT.

YOU KNOW? I KNOW BEFORE THE FLOOD ALL WE, WHEN I WORKED, I TOOK THE WHOLE MONTH OF DECEMBER OFF, AND WHEN YOU WOULD SEE THE VAN COME DOWN EACH ROAD, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, IT'D BE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE IN IT.

BUT MOST TIME IT WAS EMPTY.

AND I KNOW THE EDC, I THINK WAS PAYING FOR IT BEFORE THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PICKED IT UP.

NEVER HAVE UNDERSTOOD THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE MONEY.

SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF YOU WANNA TALK TO 'EM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION PASSED.

ONE COMMENT ABOUT IT.

YEP.

UH, I KNOW THE MOTION'S ALREADY PASSED.

YEP.

THIS IS JUST AN ADDENDUM.

UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET THE METRICS ON THE RIDERSHIP FROM YEAH, THEY DO KEEP METRICS ON THAT.

THAT'LL BE EASY TO GET A POOL, ROGER.

B CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS, APPROVING AN INDEMNITY AND HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT REGARDING FUTURE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.

SEVEN

[7.B. RESOLUTION XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a Resolution of the City Council of the City of Dickinson, Texas, approving an indemnity and hold harmless agreement regarding future Public Improvement District No. 4 reimbursement payments. ]

DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR, REIMBURSEMENT PAYMENTS.

DO I HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE? I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON TO APPROVE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.

MAYOR, I'VE GOT A SECOND.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT.

ALRIGHT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NAM, UH, CITY ATTORNEY.

UH, THANK YOU SIR.

UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A PROPOSED, UH, INDEMNITY AND HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT.

SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS THE CITY ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH, UH, A DEVELOPER, UH, THAT CREATED PIT NUMBER FOUR.

AND UNDER THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, THE CITY WORKING AS A, YOU KNOW, OPERATING AS A PI, UH, WAS TO COLLECT ASSESSMENTS OVER TIME FROM THE PROPERTIES, UH, IN THAT PIT, UH, THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED, UH, AND AMOUNT

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ANNUALLY TO HELP PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO DEVELOP THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AND THEN AS THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE COLLECTED BY THE CITY, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AFTER THE MONEY'S BEEN SPENT BY THE DEVELOPER WHO FRONTS THE MONEY TO BUILD THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THEN THE DEVELOPER WILL SEEK REIMBURSEMENT, UH, FROM THOSE ASSESSMENTS THAT THE CITY COLLECTS AND HOLDS FOR THE DEVELOPER.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONTEMPLATES THAT THE CITY WOULD, UH, PAY BACK THAT MONEY AS, AS WE COLLECT IT, UH, VIA THE ASSESSMENTS, PAY 'EM BACK TO THE DEVELOPER.

UH, SO AFTER THAT AGREEMENT, THE DEVELOPER ENTERED INTO A, UM, A, A, A LENDING AGREEMENT, UH, WITH A LENDER.

AND UNDER THAT AGREEMENT TO WHICH THE CITY IS NOT A PARTY, BUT UNDER THAT AGREEMENT, UM, THE LENDER HAS THE RIGHT TO REQUEST THAT THE CITY PAY THOSE MONIES.

BECAUSE IN THAT LENDING AGREEMENT, UH, THE DEVELOPER PLEDGED, UM, AS COLLATERAL FOR THE, FOR THE LOAN PLEDGED AS COLLATERAL, BASICALLY THE REIMBURSEMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER STOOD TO GET FROM THE CITY.

UH, BUT THE LENDER, UH, I GUESS AS A MEANS OF PROTECTING ITSELF, UH, HAS UNDER THAT AGREEMENT THE RIGHT TO ASK THE CITY TO PAY THE LENDER DIRECTLY SO THAT THE LENDER IS NOT HAVING TO TRUST THAT THE DEVELOPER, ONCE THE DEVELOPER GETS ITS MONEY, GETS ITS REIMBURSEMENT, WE THEN TURN AROUND AND MAKE PAYMENTS ON THAT LOAN.

AND SO MY CONCERN WITH DOING IT THAT WAY, AND YOU KNOW, THE LENDER HAD A LAW FIRM CONTACT ME AND WE TRADED COMMUNICATION.

BUT MY CONCERN WITH THAT, AND AS I POINTED OUT TO THAT ATTORNEY, IS THAT, WELL, THE CITY IS NOT A PARTY TO THAT LENDING AGREEMENT.

THE CITY IS ONLY A PARTY TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRES THAT THE CITY PAY THE DEVELOPER DIRECTLY.

AND SO, UH, THERE WAS A TERM IN THAT LENDING AGREEMENT THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR THE CITY TO REQUIRE, UM, AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE THE LENDER STEP INTO THE SHOES OF THE CITY AND DEFEND THE CITY IN CASE WE START MAKING THE, UH, PAYMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE LENDER.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPER SAYS, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE A DEAL AND YOU ARE TO PAY ME DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER I PAY MY LENDER OR NOT.

IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS CITY.

YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS AGREEMENT IS.

THIS AGREEMENT IS BASICALLY THAT LENDER SAYING, IF YOU WILL AGREE TO PAY US DIRECTLY, THEN IF YOU GET SUED, WE WILL STEP IN AND WE WILL DEFEND YOU.

WE WILL PAY THE COST OF DEFENSE, WE WILL PAY ANY JUDGMENT.

THAT SORT OF THING.

SO TO ME, THAT REMOVES THE CITY OR MITIGATES THE RISK TO THE EXTENT THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THIS, UM, AGREE TO PAY THE LENDER DIRECTLY.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS AGREEMENT IS.

SO, AND I GUESS LEMME JUST KIND OF CLARIFY, JUST IN, UH, YOU KNOW, MARINE CORPS TERMS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT KNOWN FOR OUR BRAINS.

UM, YOU BASICALLY, THEY WANT US TO PAY THE, PAY THE PIPER DIRECTLY, AND THIS IS JUST TO PROTECT US IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE LENDER.

UH, YES, SIR.

THE LENDER.

THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS FOR? YES, SIR.

CORRECT.

PERHAPS FOR THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DON'T KNOW WHO THE DEVELOPER IS IN THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THIS GOES TO THE, THE ENTITY IS, UH, NAMED JMK FIVE.

I THINK LLP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S A, IT'S A CORPORATE ENTITY.

WHAT DEVELOPMENT DOES THIS GO FOR? IT IS FOR THE COUNTRY CLUB.

I'M SORRY, COUNTRY CLUB.

THE COUNTRY CLUB, OKAY.

IT, I, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT AS PIT FOUR, SO MM-HMM .

IT'S THE COUNTRY CLUB.

IT'S THE COUNTRY CLUB, YEAH.

ANY OTHER, GO AHEAD.

NO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD.

THIS IS GONNA PROTECT US.

THAT SAYS, WELL, THIS GUY OVER HERE HAS SAID THAT WE ARE ENTITLED TO THAT MONEY DIRECTLY.

EXACTLY.

I, I WAS NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE AGREE TO MAKE PAYMENTS DIRECTLY TO THIS LENDER WITH WHOM WE DON'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP AND WE'VE MADE NO PROMISES TO MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, EXCEPT, OR UNLESS THEY WOULD AGREE TO DEFEND US IF WE PAY THEM AND THEN THE DEVELOPER TURNS AROUND AND SUES US.

SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS.

AND THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US PAYING HIM AND BYPASSING HIM.

WELL, THE DEVELOPER MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE THIS AGREEMENT HERE.

BECAUSE THE, OUR CHALLENGE IS THAT WE HAVE MONEY, THE ASSESSMENTS WE'VE COLLECTED, THAT WE, THE ONE THING WE KNOW FOR SURE IS THAT IT'S NOT OUR MONEY TO KEEP, OKAY? WE HAVE TWO PARTIES FIGHTING OVER, POTENTIALLY FIGHTING OVER THAT MONEY.

WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE PARTY THAT SAYS WE ARE TO PAY THAT PARTY, BUT THEN THE LENDER SHOWS US AN AGREEMENT

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AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS BASICALLY AGREEMENT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE PAY YOU, YOU WILL SHIELD US.

HAVE WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH JM CON, JM K FIVE HOLDINGS? UH, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, MR. CARAM.

AND WHAT DID HE SAY? HE WAS, LET'S SAY, A NON-COMMITTAL? HE DID NOT OBJECT TO IT.

UH, I, I ASKED HIM FOR, UH, SOMETHING IN WRITING TO INDICATE THAT HE CONSENTED TO IT AND HE DID NOT PROVIDE THAT EITHER, BUT HE ALSO DID NOT OBJECT TO IT.

AND SO WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF SENDING IT STRAIGHT TO THE LENDER RATHER THAN JUST, JUST CONTINUING GOING TO THE DEVELOPER? IS THAT SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO DO, OR IS IT SOMETHING WE CAN ALSO CONTINUE DOING? I FEAR THAT IF WE CAN, IF WE CONTINUE PAYING THE DEVELOPER AND NOT THE LENDER, UM, THE LENDER HAS THREATENED SUIT.

AND SO THAT'S, TO ME, THIS IS HOW WE MITIGATE THE RISK.

ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE HOLDING MONEY, TWO PARTIES ARE FIGHTING OVER IT.

AND TO ME, EITHER ONE, WE PAY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD POTENTIALLY STAND TO BE SUED, YOU KNOW? SO AT THIS WAY, WAY, IF WE PAY THE LENDER, THE LENDER IS SAYING, IF YOU GET SUED, WE'LL DEFEND YOU AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THE SAME FROM THE OTHER.

SO BASICALLY IF WE GET A LAWSUIT FROM THE LENDER, THE DEVELOPER HAS, WILL NOT PROTECT US IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND HOW ARE WE LIABLE? THAT'S, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE LIABLE TO THE LENDER.

I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, MY ASSESSMENT OF IT BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE NOT A PARTY TO THAT AGREEMENT.

UH, SO THEREFORE WE MADE NO PROMISES THAT WE WOULD PAY THE LENDER DIRECTLY.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE LIABLE.

AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, MADE THAT, UH, PLAIN TO THE LENDER'S ATTORNEY WHEN THEY THREATENED SUIT, UH, INITIALLY.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE LIABLE, BUT IT WOULD BE A SUIT THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD TRIGGER TML COVERAGE.

AND SO EVEN IF WE END UP BEING FOUND NOT LIABLE, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LONG DRAWN OUT, YOU KNOW, LEGAL BATTLE.

WE'RE GONNA PAY JUST TO DEFEND OURSELF.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF I GIVE THE MONEY TO JK FIVE MM-HMM .

AND HE DON'T PAY THE MONEY, THE LENDERS IS THREATENED TO SUE ME AND I HAVE TO DEFEND THAT I GAVE HIM THE MONEY.

AND JK IS NOT GONNA PROTECT ME.

CORRECT.

BUT IF I SIGN THIS AND GIVE IT STRAIGHT TO THE, THE FINANCIAL FIRM MM-HMM .

AND JK COMES AFTER ME BECAUSE THE CITY, 'CAUSE WE GAVE IT STRAIGHT TO THEM, THEY'LL DEFEND US IN COURT.

CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

AND, AND I SUSPECT THEY, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN THEY'RE ALREADY IN A LEGAL FIGHT WITH THEIR BORROWER MM-HMM .

THAT'S NOT PAYING HIS DEBT, SO, OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER SIDE OF THE, ALRIGHT, UM, SO I GOT A MOTION, I GOT A SECOND.

UH, WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.

SEVEN C CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF DICKINSON, TEXAS AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF AN ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR A TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE SET ASIDE PROJECT.

[7.C. RESOLUTION NO. XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve a Resolution of the City Council of Dickinson, Texas, authorizing execution of an Advance Funding Agreement (AFA) with the Texas Department of Transportation for a Transportation Alternatives Set-Aside (TASA) project.]

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOTION, GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON DISCUSSION.

I SORT OF STOLE THE THUNDER ON THAT ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, I DID WANT TO KIND OF EXPLAIN IT MORE IN A GLOBAL SENSE OF KIND OF HOW WE'RE PUTTING THE PIECES TOGETHER.

UM, BUT WHAT THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHICH THIS IS SOMETHING Y'ALL ALREADY KNEW.

WE WERE, WE, WE'D GOTTEN FUNDING, SCOPE OF WORK HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED FOR THE CHANGE.

UH, NOW FOR THE, UH, THE, THE, THE FUNDING AGREEMENT IS THEM BASICALLY SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE LOCKING IN $5.1 MILLION.

ARE YOU GONNA PUT UP THE, THE ENGINEERING COSTS? 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PAY ALL CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S ON THIS GRANT, WE PAY THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.

SO HOW MUCH ARE ENGINEERING COSTS? NORMALLY ENGINEERING AND DESIGN WILL BE PROBABLY IN SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT, I WOULD PROBABLY VENTURE SAY ABOUT 20% OF, OF, OF A TOTAL PROJECT.

SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE, UH, 800,000 FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD DO IF IT AT 5.1.

AND, AND IF YOU DO, YEAH, I'D PROBABLY SAY ABOUT NINE.

EIGHT TO 900,000.

MY EXPECTATION ON THAT WOULD BE, UH, ESPECIALLY AS YOU GUYS ARE, UH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE LOOKING AT UH, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UH, SHOPPING THE BOND MARKET, UH, GETTING BACK

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INTO THE BOND MARKET.

UM, 'CAUSE UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, WHICH I SHOULD PUT THIS IN THE UPDATE AS WELL, UH, MARCH WILL BE OUR FY 24 AUDIT.

AND THAT WILL BE ON PERFECT TIMING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

UH, FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME.

THE CITY'S BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO NOW WHAT I'D RECOMMEND IS THAT TAKE ALL THESE LOCAL MATCH FUNDS FOR ALL THE, ALL THESE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, EVEN THE HUGE ROAD PROJECT, AND THEN YOU CAN ROLL THAT INTO THE BOND, YOU KNOW, UH, AS YOUR LOCAL MATCHES SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP, YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR RESERVES AND SO FORTH.

THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION.

SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE TAKING, YES, YOU'RE TAKING BOND MONEY, BUT YOU'RE TURNING THAT BOND MONEY INTO FIVE OR SIX, SEVEN TIMES WHAT YOU ACTUALLY BORROWED.

SO, UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE OBLIGATION SOMEWHERE IN THAT EIGHT TO 900,000 RANGE FOR A $5 MILLION CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

SO IF WE DON'T GO OUT FOR BONDS, DO WE ADD THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT? YOU, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU ADD THAT TO THE BOND PACKAGE.

THE, THE FUNDING CAN WILL PROBABLY START SOMETIME IN ABOUT, UH, ONE YEAR FROM NOW WOULD BE WHEN THE FUNDING WOULD START.

DO I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? YEAH, I GOTTA GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION.

IF WE DON'T GO OUT FOR THE BOND, THE BONDING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, DO WE ADD THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THIS? YOU HAVE IT, BUT YOU'RE THREATENING THE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, 'CAUSE AS, AS YOU REMEMBER THIS BUDGET, WE FOR UH, FIRST TIME MAYBE SINCE IT WAS A CHARTER, SINCE IT WAS IN THE CHARTER, WE ACTUALLY PUT ASIDE A SET ASIDE THAT WAS EMERGENCY I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT YOU HAVE THE RESERVE TO DO IT, BUT YOU WILL NOT HAVE MUCH ALMOST ANYTHING LEFT AT THAT POINT.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER LOCAL MATCHES TOO.

SO I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS.

MY ADVICE WOULD BE YOU GO OUT FOR A BOND FOR IT AND ADD IT TO A BOND PACKAGE.

AND, AND I GUESS JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAY NOT MUCH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UH, THE FUND BALANCE OR WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF OUR, WHAT WE PLAN TO OPERATE OUT OF IN A FISCAL YEAR? ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WELL, I MEAN YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY IN OPERATING, UH, DO THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT YOU WILL BE CRIPPLING OPERATIONS.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALREADY ON A THIN BUDGET THIS YEAR, MAYBE ABOUT A HUNDRED.

WE HAD MAYBE ABOUT 120, 150,000 IN LEEWAY WHEN WE STARTED.

WE HAVE BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, THAT SARAH'S GONNA GO OVER TONIGHT.

BUT, UH, NO, YOU'D HAVE TO DIG INTO THE FUND, UH, FUND BALANCE TO DO THAT.

AND UM, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING MY, MY ADVICE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT INTO BOND PACKAGE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO REBUILD THE RESERVE.

IF YOU'RE GONNA GO AND TAKE OUT OF IT TO PUT THESE LOCAL, THIS LOCAL MATCH IN, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HURT THE, UH, FUND BALANCE.

I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, BUT IF A BOND DON'T PASS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO INTO YOUR FUND BALANCE ANYWAY.

WELL, SO I MEAN A CO I MEAN, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON HOW Y'ALL WANT TO DO A BOND.

YOU HAVE YOUR GO OR YOUR CO YOU KNOW, FOR STREETS AND DRAINAGE, YOU HAVE THE CO OPTION.

YOU DO A CO YES.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO DECIDE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE FUND, THE FUND BALANCE.

AND REMEMBER THIS IS ALSO GONNA HELP PAVE CALIFORNIA.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE, IT'S NOT JUST THE SIDEWALK PROJECT ANYMORE.

NOW IT'S A RESURFACING OF CALIFORNIA AT, WHAT WAS THAT WHEN THAT PORTION WAS SET TO BE DONE, IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SIX OR $7 MILLION AND WE WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HOOK FOR 2 MILLION, WASN'T WE? YEAH.

AT 2 MILLION.

SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE CUT IT IN OUR OBLIGATION IN HALF AND PROBABLY IF Y'ALL WANTED TO PULL SOME FROM THE COUNTY TO CUT THAT IN HALF, YOU COULD DO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO.

SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK A $2 MILLION COST, CUT IT, YOU KNOW, OUR PORTION, CUT IT DOWN TO ONE AND NOW YOU CAN EVEN CUT IT DOWN A HALF.

AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT AS PART OF THAT COUNTY BOND, IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL WANT TO COORDINATE WITH THEM ON.

WELL I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE COUNTY ALREADY ABOUT USING THIS BOND MONEY COMING UP FOR MM-HMM .

CALIFORNIA STREET AND MAYBE SPRUCE AND SOME OTHER STUFF.

SO DEFINITELY, UH, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT CALIFORNIA SOUTH OF FIVE 17.

YOU KNOW, IF, LET'S SAY WE, WE, WE COMMITTED NORTH OF FIVE 17, TOOK THE MONEY TO GO CALIFORNIA ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEN DO PARK AND REDO ALL THAT DRAINAGE KIND OF DOWN THERE.

UM, AND THEN YES, TO YOUR POINT SIR.

I THINK ACTUALLY AND AFTER CONVERSATIONS I, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU WERE A PART OF, SIR, I THINK WE ACTUALLY PUT LOBIT AHEAD OF SPRUCE ON THAT ONE.

IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE

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CONVERSATION.

THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE, THE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER? YES SIR.

YES.

SO WE DID PUT LOW, WE DISCUSSED MAKING LOBIT IN FRONT OF SPRUCE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH SPRUCE NEEDS TO BE CONCRETED WITH THE 18 WHEELERS, LO BITS PITIFUL.

SO FOR ANYBODY, YEAH.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY LUCKY THAT THE HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM ISN'T JUST ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, SAFETY BY BUILDING SIDEWALKS.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING IT SAFER AND THIS AND THE RESER, THEY'VE AGREED THAT RESURFACING THE ROAD WOULD BE A SAFETY THAT FREES UP ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION FUNDING FOR US TO SPREAD THAT OUT TO THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, BOND PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD BE SOAKING UP MILLIONS OF OF THAT INTO CALIFORNIA.

DID WE TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS SECTION HERE? YES SIR.

DID THEY INCLUDE IT OR DID WE INCLUDE IT IN, IN OUR LIST TO THEM? WE TOLD THEM AND, AND UH, THEY KNOW MICHAEL SHANNON AND THEM KNOW THAT, AND WE JUST GOT THIS, UH, THIS WEEK.

BUT, UM, AND SO THIS, SO WE'RE MOVING ON THIS KIND OF QUICK 'CAUSE WE FINALLY GOT IT, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE CONVERSATION WE WERE LIKE PLAN FOR EITHER DOING NORTH OF FIVE 17 OR SOUTH OF FIVE 17, BUT YOU KNOW, REALLY FOCUS ON SOUTH OF FIVE 17.

'CAUSE WE REALLY THINK H CIP IS GONNA COME IN.

THEY'VE GIVEN US THE WINK NOD.

AND THEN WE OFFICIALLY GOT THE, THE CHANGE NOW.

SO, SO NOW THE CONVERSATION IS STAY SOUTH OF FIVE 17 AND WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT BOND MONEY ON, ON THIS FOR OUR IF Y'ALL WANT TO.

YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE WE DISCUSSED WITH COMMISSIONER DOGIE.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? ALL RIGHT, I GOT A MOTION.

I GOT A SECOND.

SO ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

D CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE FY 24 BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

SEVEN

[7.D Consideration and possible action to approve FY24 Budget Amendments.]

AND I GOT A MOTION, NO MOTION.

I GUESS POINT ORDER SHE GIVEN A PRESENTATION FIRST OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? WE NEED TO DO A PRESENTATION OR DO WE, CAN WE DO A MOTION? THERE WAS A, THE SUMMARY AND THE DETAILS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKET.

YEP.

BUT YEAH, DO THEY NEED A MOTION TO OPEN DISCUSSION FIRST FOR LEGAL ORDER? IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE THE, THE PRESENTATION FIRST AND THEN HAVE A MOTION, SO I BELIEVE IS FINE.

LET'S ACTUALLY DO THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S EVEN NECESSARY FOR A MOTION.

OKAY, I GUESS SO LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GOT.

SO THE, UM, BASIC PURPOSE OF THIS IS JUST KIND OF PUT US IN LINE IN OUR ACTUAL, WITH OUR ACTUALS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 24.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT UNDER WITH SALES TAX, WITH UM, ALSO OBVIOUSLY THAT CORRELATES WITH THREE 80 AGREEMENTS AND THEN WE WERE OVER BUDGET IN ADMIN MUNICIPAL COURT AND CITYWIDE SERVICES.

AND SO THIS IS, WE ARE LITERALLY JUST A UPDATING THE ACTUAL LINE ITEM JUST POST CORRECT.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING.

THERE'S NOTHING CHANGING TO OUR FUND BALANCE.

IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, WE JUST NEED TO ALLOCATE, ANNOTATE THIS.

THIS IS JUST ERRORS IN THE BUDGET OR SHORTFALLS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE NEED TO HAVE CLEAN UP.

IT HAS NOTHING OF ACTUALS AT ALL.

GOT IT.

SO IT'S A, IT IS A TRUE UP FOR WHAT ENDED SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024? CORRECT.

SO THIS IS HISTORICALLY, IF YOU REMEMBER, BECAUSE FY 21, 22 AND 23 WERE SO FAR AFTER THE ACTUAL FISCAL YEARS, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF LIKE A MANAGEMENT LETTER.

LIKE, HEY, NEXT TIME, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE REALLY NICE IF YOU DID A, A BUDGET AMENDMENT AT THE END TO TRUE UP.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THIS YEAR, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ON TIME, FIRST TIME IN A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24, WE CAN DO THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS, IT SLIDES RIGHT IN AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE A, I MEAN IT JUST, THE MANAGEMENT LETTER SAYS, GOOD JOB.

ALRIGHT.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION MO MOVE TO APPROVE WITH JUST ONE SMALL CORRECTION? MM-HMM .

UH, PAGE 92 IN THE PACKET IT SAYS, PERIOD ENDING SEPTEMBER 31ST, 2024.

CHANGE THAT TO SEPTEMBER 30TH.

THERE'S A LEAP YEAR, .

ALL RIGHT, SO I GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CHANGES, AND I GOT A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK.

UM, DO I HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? IF NOT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

SEVEN E CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION

[7.E. ORDINANCE NO. XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an Ordinance of the City of Dickinson, Texas, amending Chapter 5, entitled Buildings, of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Dickinson, Texas by repealing Article I, entitled “Building Standards Commission; Substandard Buildings” in its entirety and adopting a new Article I, to be entitled “Substandard Buildings”; providing a severability clause, a repealer clause, and an effective date. (1st Reading)]

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TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS.

AMENDING CHAPTER FIVE, ENTITLED, BUILDINGS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS BY REPEALING ARTICLE ONE ENTITLED, BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS AND ITS ENTIRETY, AND ADOPTING A NEW ARTICLE, ONE TO BE ENTITLED, SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS, PROVIDING A, UH, SEVERE, SEVERE, SEVERE BUILDING, SEVERE ABILITY CLAUSE.

CAN'T TALK TODAY, GUYS, A REPEAL CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

FIRST READING.

SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, UH, TRAVIS IS HERE TO, UH, ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROCEDURE, BUT, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD SHIFT THE CITY, UH, AWAY FROM USING THE BUILDING SANTA COMMISSION AND TO UTILIZING THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD THAT ACTUALLY HAS, YOU KNOW, A LICENSED ATTORNEY AS THE DECISION MAKER.

UH, AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST READING THAT WOULD PUT IN PLACE THAT PROCEDURE.

AND YEAH, AND THAT'S, UH, FROM THE CITY BEFORE YOU START, UH, LIKE I WAS SAYING IN THE UPDATE, WE, WE'VE BEEN GETTING SUCH GOOD FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN, SINCE WE'VE GIVEN ORDINANCE POWER TO THESE GUYS RIGHT HERE, UH, PEOPLE ANSWER THE CALL NOW.

SO NOW THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME FOR US TO, TO ADD THIS ON AS WELL, UM, AND WOULD DO A GREAT JOB FOR, 'CAUSE I THINK HOW HAS, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

HOW HAS JUDGE BEEN DOING WITH, UH, WITH ALL OF THE CODE CASES AND SO FORTH NOW, NOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE ISSUING THE CITATIONS AND ALL THAT? UH, SO EXACTLY AS YOU SPOKE, WE'RE EXPERIENCING IMMEDIATE COMPLIANCE, UH, SOMETIMES EVEN BEFORE THE COURT DATE, WHICH IS GREAT PRESENTATION.

I'M SORRY.

NO, THAT, THAT'S ABOUT IT.

UM, I WOULD MIRROR WHAT CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER SAID, UH, AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, BUILDING CODE TYPICALLY, UH, ALLOWS 120 DAYS TO GET A STRUCTURE INTO COMPLIANCE ONCE, UH, THIS IS IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE ONCE IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.

UH, SO WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE SITUATIONS WHERE THE BOARD GIVES, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL TIME TO FIX A STRUCTURE AND THEY DRAG IT OUT.

WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, SO WE HAVE TO KEEP BRINGING THEM BACK TO THE BOARD, ASK FOR MORE TIME.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A REPETITIVE PROCESS AND, UH, IT GARNERS LESS RESPECT THAN I THINK GOING TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT WOULD, WOULD GET.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, TRAVIS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE, SO WE'RE GONNA WIPE OUT THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.

WHAT, WHAT? GO AHEAD.

THEY STILL HAVE OTHER DUTIES, UH, OTHER THAN JUST, THEY, THEY ALSO SORT OF SERVE AS THE BOARD OF APPEALS.

SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM, THAT'S JUST CORRECT.

GIVES MORE POWER TO THE COURTS INSTEAD OF THEM.

AND THEN ON, UH, I GUESS IT'S, UH, SECTION FIVE, SECTION FIVE DASH OH THREE FOR CLEARING THE SUBSTANDARD BILLING.

IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT ON THE THIRD SENTENCE, YOU START IT SECOND, IT SAYS, MAY ORDER ITS REPAIR, VACATION, OR DEMOLITION, OR AM I READING THAT WORD WRONG? UH, WHICH WORD ARE YOU VACATION HELPS ABOUT? WHICH, YES, SIR.

WHICH SECTION ARE YOU? THAT THAT IS THE ACT OF, UH, VACATING.

VACATING STRUCTURE.

SO THAT'S THE TERM THEY'RE USING INSTEAD OF VACATING, THEY'RE GONNA VACATION.

UH, YES, SIR.

ODD, WHEN I WAS READING IT, .

WHEN THIS HAPPENS? WHEN ALLOW US TO LIEN THE PROPERTY? THE PROCEDURE ITSELF SHOULD NOT, UH, LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT FROM HOW IT WAS IN FRONT OF THE BSC WITH, WITH ALL OF THOSE REMEDIES THAT YOU MENTIONED.

UM, I GUESS OUTTA CURIOSITY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF REMOVING THE SUBSTANDARD BUILDING DECLARATION PROCESS FROM THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION TO THE MUNICIPALITY GIVES IT MORE TEETH, BUT IT ALSO PROTECTS THE CITY FROM EXPO, FROM POTENTIAL EXPOSURE, OR, OR DOES IT? UH, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE, UH, HAS BEEN SOME CASE LAW PROBABLY IN THE PAST 10 ISH YEARS NOW, UM, THAT I FOUND THAT AN ORDER FROM A BODY, UH, OR A DECISION MAKER THAT IS NOT, UM, UH, JUDICIAL, QUASI-JUDICIAL, UH, NOT AN ATTORNEY, UH, DOES NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE DUE PROCESS PROTECTIONS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHOSE PROPERTY IS NOW SUBJECT TO AN ORDER THAT POTENTIALLY COULD INCLUDE, UH, DEMOLITION.

AND SO, UH, SINCE THE CHAPTER 30 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH IS THE CHAPTER THAT ALLOWS A CITY TO, UH, CREATE A MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD, THAT CHAPTER REQUIRES THAT THE JUDGE OF SUCH A COURT BE A LICENSED ATTORNEY, THEN HAVING THAT PROTECTION ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO CHECK THAT BOX.

WELL, DOES THIS HAVE ANY EFFECT ON OUR, WHEN WE DO ORDER A DEMOLITION, WE GO OUT FOR BID, WE GET PRICES, WE DO THE DEMOLITION, AND THEN WE TURN AROUND AND PLACE A LIEN ON THE PROJECT.

DOES THIS AFFECT THAT AT ALL? OR ARE WE ASKING THE JUDGE

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UH, IT'S JUST THAT THE DECISION MAKER IS NOW DIFFERENT.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? I GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? OH, SECOND.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

SECOND IT.

UM, ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

SEVEN F CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, TEXAS TO AMEND CHAPTER 15.6 AND ENTITLED RIGHT OF WAY MANAGEMENT OF THE CITY OF DICKINSON, CODE OF ORDINANCE BY ADDING A NEW DIVISION THREE TO BE ENTITLED, ABANDONMENT OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND A REPEAL CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ANY OPPOSED? STOP PLUGGED IN.

FRED MOTION PASSED

[7.F. ORDINANCE NO. XXX-2025 - Consideration and possible action to approve an Ordinance of the City of Dickinson, Texas, to amend Chapter 15.6, entitled Right-ofWay Management, of the City of Dickinson Code of Ordinances, by adding a new Division 3, to be entitled “Abandonment of Public Rights-of-Way”; providing a severability clause, a repealer clause, and an effective date.]

DO I HAVE A MOTION? AND IF I DON'T HAVE A MOTION, DO I HAVE QUESTIONS TO GET US A MOTION? WELL, WHY DON'T WE, UH, NOW DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? LEMME EXPLAIN THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

YEAH, YEAH, WE WILL.

UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

SO THIS, UH, ORDINANCE IS THE FIRST READING TO ADOPT A PROCEDURE TO ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO, TO HEAR AND ACT ON REQUEST THAT UNOPENED ACTUALLY EVEN OPENED, UH, RIGHTS OF WAY BE ABANDONED.

AND SO ACTUALLY EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, THE COUNCIL APPROVED ON SECOND READING AND ORDINANCE TO ABANDON, UH, THAT, THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S UNOPENED.

IT WAS WHAT WE CALL A A PAPER STREET, MEANING THAT IT REALLY EXISTS JUST ON A PLA SOMEWHERE.

BUT YOU LOOK OUT THERE, YOU DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTED STREET.

AND SO COMMONLY YOU'LL HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, PLOTS OF LAND THAT HAVE THESE, UH, RIGHTS OF WAY THAT WERE DEDICATED, UH, YEARS, DECADES AGO.

BUT SINCE THOSE LINES EXIST ON A PLA, UH, THEY STAND AS OBSTACLES TO BUILDING, UH, ACROSS THEM BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY LINE.

AND SO, UH, SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS COME FORTH ASKING THE CITY TO ABANDON THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT REALLY IS NOT BEING USED.

NOBODY'S GONNA BUILD IT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ACTED ON EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, EXCEPT THAT THE CITY DOESN'T NOW CURRENTLY HAVE A FORMALIZED PROCEDURE TO DO THAT.

WE WORKED WITH THE, UH, REQUESTER ON THAT OTHER RIGHT OF WAY, ABANDONMENT, UH, UH, PROCESS, UH, REQUEST, UH, UTILIZING LEAK CITIES, UH, PROCEDURES, UH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR OWN.

AND SO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD, UH, PUT IN PLACE OUR OWN PROCEDURE FOR THAT.

WELL, IN PAST PRACTICE, IN PAST PRACTICE, WE'VE TAKEN A ABANDONED ROAD THAT WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEVER BILL ONE ON.

WE'VE HAD IT, THEY'VE HAD TO HAVE IT APPRAISED AND THEN OFFER IT HALF OF IT TO THE NEIGHBOR ON ONE SIDE, HALF TO THE OTHER.

AND IF THE OTHER ONE DON'T WANT IT, THEN THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR IT COULD BUY THE WHOLE THING THAT'S BEEN PAST PRACTICE.

IS THIS GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THIS? UH, YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT DOES.

AND, UH, THE ONE THEY DID EARLIER TONIGHT, HE DIDN'T, THAT'S PART OF THAT PROJECT OUT THERE.

HE, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR THE LAND, BUT MOST TIME THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LAND, AT LEAST WHATEVER THE, UH, APPRAISED VALUE, APPRAISED VALUE OF IT IS.

YES.

NO, AND, AND ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY TO CUT IN, SIR.

UH, ACTUALLY, THE ONE THAT Y'ALL ACTED ON EARLIER, UH, THE DEVELOPER ABSOLUTELY IS GOING TO PAY US FOR THAT.

THAT WAS, UH, IF YOU MAY RECALL, WHEN THE CITY WAS LOOKING AT APPROVING THE CREATION OF THAT PIT PIT FIVE, THAT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP THAT, HEY, THE DEVELOPER SHOULD PAY FOR, UH, THAT, THAT LAND.

AND SO IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE STRUCK THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY US, UH, NO FAIR MARKET VALUE, BUT, UH, NO LESS THAN 44 CENTS A FOOT FOR THAT LAND.

SO THAT'S LIKE 24, 20 5K.

AND SO, JUST ONCE AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS IS JUST CREATING A MECHANISM, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANY, WE'RE JUST CREATING A MECHANISM.

SO IN THE FUTURE, IF THIS DOES HAPPEN, WE CAN ACTUALLY LEGALLY DO THIS ON COUNSEL.

CORRECT.

BEAUTIFUL.

AND THIS WOULD WORK FOR ALLEYWAYS TOO, CORRECT? UH, YES, SIR.

THAT WOULD COUNT AS A A RIGHT OF WAY.

BEEN USED IN 30 PLUS YEARS, PEOPLE HAVE BUILT FENCES ACROSS THEIR, THERE ARE MATURE TREES GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM.

ABSOLUTELY.

OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S BEING UTILIZED FOR ACCESS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE OTHER CHALLENGES OF LIKE, OKAY, MAKING, MAKING SURE THAT NO PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO BE DEPRIVED ACCESS, BUT WITH A, A RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S UNOPENED.

IT'S HARD TO ARGUE THAT YOU ARE DEPRIVING ANY ACCESS BECAUSE, WELL, IT'S CLEARLY NOT BEING USED FOR ACCESS.

SO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLEYWAYS, IF WE HAVE ALLEYWAYS THAT HAVE NOT

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UM, ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE BATTLE WITH A PROPERTY OWNER THAT SAYS, YES, EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T USED IT FOR 30 YEARS, I MAY WANT TO SOMEDAY AND HAVE THAT BATTLE? WELL, O ONLY IF WE WANT TO PICK THAT BATTLE, IF WE WANT TO PICK THAT FIGHT, IF THE ALLEYWAY SITS THERE AND THERE ARE ALL THESE OBSTRUCTIONS THAT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE PUT ON THERE OR ALLOW TO, TO, UH, TO OCCUR THERE, UH, IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM PRESENTLY WITH IT, THEN IT CAN CONTINUE ON, UH, THE THEORY OR THE DOCTRINE OF, UM, BASICALLY ADVERSE POSSESSION, YOU KNOW, OR PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHTS.

THEY DON'T OPERATE AGAINST CITIES, RIGHT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THAT'S OUR RIGHT OF WAY, IF THAT'S OUR ALLEYWAY, JUST BECAUSE YOU FENCE IT IN AND PLOP A BIG TREE THERE AND THAT SORT OF THING IS NOT GOING TO BE OKAY, WELL, AFTER 20 YEARS, IT'S NOW MY LAND.

IT, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

IT WILL ALWAYS BE OUR RIGHT OF WAY, JUST TO THE EXTENT THAT, OKAY, WELL, ARE WE GONNA GO IN THERE AND PICK THAT FIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE THEM RIP UP THE DEFENSE BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL TO OBSTRUCT A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

I MEAN, IT'S, I'VE DEALT WITH THAT BEFORE.

YOU'D RATHER NOT PICK THAT FIGHT.

WELL, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ALLEYWAYS IN THIS CITY TODAY THAT WERE FENCED IN BEFORE THIS CITY WAS EVER INCORPORATED, AND IN THOSE ROUTE ALLEY RIGHT-OF-WAYS, I KNOW THERE'S SOME SEWER LINES BACK THERE THAT IF THE WATER DISTRICT EVER HAD TO GET IN THERE, THE FENCES ARE COMING DOWN SO THEY CAN GO DO THEIR WORK.

SO, AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THAT'S GOT WATER LINES IN 'EM ALSO, BUT IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A SUBDIVISION WHERE YOU FENCED IN YOUR YARD, BUT THE, THE GAS LINE AND OTHER UTILITIES RUNNING IN THE BACKYARD WHERE THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY CAN TAKE THE FENCE DOWN TO ACCESS THEIR STUFF TO WORK ON.

UH, YES, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND, UH, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A MOTION, DO I? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.

SECOND.

GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER TOWNSEND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SCHICK.

UH, NUMBER EIGHT WILL TAKE US INTO OUR CLOSED SESSION AT SEVEN 12.

SO,

[8. EXECUTIVE (CLOSED) SESSION(S)]

UM, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BE BACK TALKED ABOUT

[9. ACTION ITEMS FROM EXECUTIVE (CLOSED) SESSION(S)]

IT.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, UH, PROPOSE A MOTION, UH, SIR, WAS THERE A, UH, ANY SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR TO, TO TALK? OH, YES.

EXCUSE ME.

SO FOR THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE WALLY DIETZ, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK.

NOW, YES, SIR.

I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT SINCE, UM, YOU DIDN'T CALL ON ME BEFORE Y'ALL WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, ROGER.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ELSE? OTHER COMMENTS CONCERNED QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE, UH, TO ADOPT THE MUTUAL SEPARATION AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN DICKINSON, TEXAS.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED THE MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

WE'RE GONNA SEPARATE 'EM FOR VOTING REASONS, OKAY? ALRIGHT.

C CAN WE STATE OUT THE MOTION? I'M SORRY.

YES.

I WOULD LIKE, I, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE AND ADOPT THE MUTUAL SEPARATION AGREEMENT DIS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND THEN I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SIMPSON.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

OKAY, I HAVE A SECOND.

ONE THING I'D LIKE TO, UH, SAY BEFORE WE VOTE IS EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT A LOT OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW BECAUSE OF THE WAY CONTRACTS WORK.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU THAT HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT TO COME SEE ME AFTERWARDS.

I HAVE, I'LL ANSWER EVERY QUESTION YOU POSSIBLY HAVE.

UH, THAT IS WHAT I AM ABOUT.

I REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE AS MUCH COMMUNICATION AS POSSIBLE AND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY.

UM, HOWEVER,

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UH, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE ANOTHER MOTION IF POSSIBLE, TO APPOINT CHASE CAREY AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

UH, NINE B THERE IS NO, UH, ACTION ON NINE B.

UM, THIS WAS JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE.

UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.